Let's face it. Our WRs are set...
 

Get this into your freakin' head people! We will not be drafting a WR in the early rounds in the upcoming draft! No Mike Williams, no Troy Williamson, no Mark Clayton. With the additions of Moss and Patten along with Thrash, Jacobs, and Gibbs' reiterated favorite, McCants, why? It's more likely for us to draft a WR in the later rounds who's willing to be the return man and do the dirty work on special teams. Our draft priorities should reflect need at CB, DL, MLB, TE, in no particular order. I believe it's imperative that we trade down for a lower first rounder and a second rounder. And if we can get at least a third round pick for the Gardner trade, we should be able to fufill those needs with some great talent. How's this?

1. CB Marlin Jackson Michigan
2. DE Matt Roth Iowa
3. TE Alex Smitn Stanford
3. MLB Barrett Rudd Nebraska
4. DT Eric Coleman Clemson
5. WR Jerome Mathis Hampton (That's right! He won't be selected in the early rounds)
6. C Vince Carter Oklahoma
7. Go figure

Of course, the chips don't have to fall exactly this way. As every selection garners consideration of drafting the best player available that fills your need. :oink:

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a month ago i was all for drafting a high profile wr, but now i think we go with a big name de

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Erasmus???

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could be

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I wouldnt mind that. Does Gregg Williams have a history of having aggressive pass rushing de's? He seems to throw alot of linebacker's and safeties at the line of scrimmage

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I'm curious... so if Williams was available with out #1 pick would you pass him up?

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would I? No, But it's hard to figure our leadership out at times. But it appears obvious that Williams would have more of an impact on a game then a rookie de. This draft is not very deep at de, so we may be inflating Erasmus' worth.

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i stated in another forum a while ago:

Round1: Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
Round2 (trade down):Fabian Washington CB Nebraska
round3(gardner trade to cleveland):Matt Jones WR Arkansas
round3: Lorenzo Alexander DT California
round4:Chase Lyman WR California
round5:Martin Patterson MLB TCU
round6:Kelly Griffeth TE Fort Hays St
round7:Scott Young OG BYU

And that what I'm sticking to

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That's the question now. Of course Williams has had guys with the likes of Jevon Kearse, but as last year showed we could get plenty of pressure ont the QB with our LBs. I say we don't change a good thing. If we go with a guy like DT/DE tweener Shaun Cody (likely gone early in round one,but there are others), we should be just as good as we were last year up front. Remember we had guys like Chris Clemons, Demetric Evans and Ron Warner wrecking havoc. A guy like Matt Roth is considered an upgrade. :oink:

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[QUOTE=BossHog]That's the question now. Of course Williams has had guys with the likes of Jevon Kearse, but as last year showed we could get plenty of pressure ont the QB with our LBs. I say we don't change a good thing. If we go with a guy like DT/DE tweener Shaun Cody (likely gone early in round one,but there are others), we should be just as good as we were last year up front. Remember we had guys like Chris Clemons, Demetric Evans and Ron Warner wrecking havoc. A guy like Matt Roth is considered an upgrade. :oink:[/QUOTE]
I would be curious to hear Gregg Williams' opinion on this. Does he want an upgrade? Or does he find the cornerback situation more pressing. We can already assume that he probably doesnt care much about the Wide Outs.

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You got it BossHog! Finally, someone that agrees with me and isn't completely enamoured with the top WR's in the draft. Not to say they wouldn't be good, but WR is probably only second to QB in terms of 1st round "locks" becoming busts.
Gibbs is modeling this team after teams like the Patriots, and [I]HIS [/I] teams in the 80's....blue collar, team-oriented mentality. We will be fine with the WR's we have. They are better than the group Philly had before last year, and comparable to NE's group of the past few years....plus two of them (Thrash and Patten) know what it was like in those winning environments. We have 5 receivers that could be at least a #2 or #3 on any NFL team....at least one of them is bound to step it up and take the lead spot.
And I totally agree that they will probably pick up a WR in a later round, but I think more as a "project" to groom for a couple years on the practice squad.
I see them trading down to pick up a 2nd or high 3rd rounder and going defense with the first one or two picks (CB and maybe DE).

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]i stated in another forum a while ago:

Round1: Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
Round2 (trade down):Fabian Washington CB Nebraska
round3(gardner trade to cleveland):Matt Jones WR Arkansas
round3: Lorenzo Alexander DT California
round4:Chase Lyman WR California
round5:Martin Patterson MLB TCU
round6:Kelly Griffeth TE Fort Hays St
round7:Scott Young OG BYU

And that what I'm sticking to[/QUOTE]

You're on point! I am, however, tired of Matt Jones' name popping up. Get off of it.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm curious... so if Williams was available with out #1 pick would you pass him up?[/QUOTE]

No way! Unless someone is offering a very nice trade up package, I think we have to take that guy. We have a team full of #3 recivers; and a #2. Now could we make it work, yeah. If our running game is dangerous and Ramsey is on cue then we could make it work with me and Cypane 5 running routes. However, I dont think we can assume that our offense is going to get that much better overnight; so I think if Williams is there, we need that threat on the team. Just having him on the feild will take pressure off of Santana Moss, and then all those quick hits we keep thinking about could become reality. Now, if someone is offering a nice package then I say we have to think about it. But if Williams is there; our offense was just too bad last year to go untouched.

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BossHog:

Do you really think Alex Smith (TE Stanford) is going to be around in the third round? If he is, that might be the biggest steal of the day. I know folks here love the kid from UVa, but I think Alex Smith is at least as good and definitely has better hands.

Oh, and you had me confused for a moment with your entry "C Vince Carter Oklahoma" My first thought was Vince Carter is a forward and plays for the New Jersey Nets...

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[QUOTE=SkinsRock]Gibbs is modeling this team after teams like the Patriots, and [I]HIS [/I] teams in the 80's....blue collar, team-oriented mentality...[/QUOTE]

I agree. Gibbs has hand picked the guys he feels is going to make this offense go. And I believe Greg Williams has the final say on the defensive side. :oink:

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Another thing about the CB position, I think we are set for this year with Springs/Harris, with Wilds at nickleback, but it would be great if we could do similar to what the Eagles did and have a couple young guys ready to take over for Springs and Harris in a year or a couple. I think Wilds may be one of those guys, and if we draft a CB in round 1 or 2, we'll have the other.

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We're going with Edwards or Williams if they're on the board. Gamechanging receivers. Gibbs says McCants is still there, but I think it's a ploy so people don't think we go receiver. There's a reason McCants didn't play last year. As Gmanc said we don't have a #1 receiver. I don't see Moss as a #1, and Jacobs is too unproven. Patten still has a lot to show too. We need a bigtime receiver, and though they can be busts, they can also pay huge dividends. Lets give Ramsey someone young he can grow with so one day the Williams/Jacobs package is envied by all!

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If the Redskins are stupid enough to pick a cornerback with the #9 overall pick then they truly are idiots. I don't think Joe Gibbs would be that stupid.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]BossHog:

Do you really think Alex Smith (TE Stanford) is going to be around in the third round? If he is, that might be the biggest steal of the day. I know folks here love the kid from UVa, but I think Alex Smith is at least as good and definitely has better hands...[/QUOTE]

I don't know if he is. But we do pick early in that round and the observed talent 'below' Heath Miller falls off pretty steeply. In other words, there maybe higher rated players at other position that teams may covet. :oink:

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[QUOTE=SKINZ_DOMIN8]If the Redskins are stupid enough to pick a cornerback with the #9 overall pick then they truly are idiots. I don't think Joe Gibbs would be that stupid.[/QUOTE]

If you're stupid enough for this to be your first post you are one too. :oink:

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[QUOTE=SkinsRock]Another thing about the CB position, I think we are set for this year with Springs/Harris, with Wilds at nickleback, but it would be great if we could do similar to what the Eagles did and have a couple young guys ready to take over for Springs and Harris in a year or a couple. I think Wilds may be one of those guys, and if we draft a CB in round 1 or 2, we'll have the other.[/QUOTE]

I like that idea. Hopefully we wouldnt have to do it like the Eagles did. If we could gradually work them in. That is the cheapest way to go.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm curious... so if Williams was available with out #1 pick would you pass him up?[/QUOTE]

I assume we're talking about Troy Williamson. The answer is yes. We have already addressed our starting WR corps. Sorry for the dose of reality. :oink:

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]I like that idea. Hopefully we wouldnt have to do it like the Eagles did. If we could gradually work them in. That is the cheapest way to go.[/QUOTE]

That's the plan. Springs and Harris are very capable, but you can't ignore thier ages. Wilds and Jimoh will probably battle for the dime spot. :oink:

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He means Mike Williams.

Here's a "dose of reality" for you, Bosshog. Our receivers are unproven and need to be worked on. For all we know Moss may walk after this year, Patten has only ever been a #4 in a good offense, Jacobs hasn't seen the field, we've seen what thrash does as a starter, and McCants until I [b]see{/b] otherwise is still in Gibbs doghouse. If we have a chance to get Edwards or Williams - take it. No need to draft a #2 we have four of those. CB isn't a huge concern, though it should be addressed in the near future. We have lots of young guys with talent that our coaching staff wants to look at.

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[QUOTE=BossHog]I assume we're talking about Troy Williamson. The answer is yes. We have already addressed our starting WR corps. Sorry for the dose of reality. :oink:[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The Browns are going to release Lavars buddy Cortny Brown and we might get him at D.E. (You heard it here first)
Then we could draft a WR or CB. Just a thought.
Gibbs did say yesterday that we still could sign some released players. :pi_lightb

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Anyone we draft is also unproven.....

Don't forget...we've gotten screwed in the past for getting the "Cream of the crop" WR from the draft:

Desomond Howard, Michael Westbrook

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Anyone we draft is also unproven.....

Don't forget...we've gotten screwed in the past for getting the "Cream of the crop" WR from the draft:

Desomond Howard, Michael Westbrook[/QUOTE]Don't forget "Drop it like it's hot" Rod Gradner!! :laughing2

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[QUOTE=Daseal]He means Mike Williams.

Here's a "dose of reality" for you, Bosshog. Our receivers are unproven and need to be worked on. For all we know Moss may walk after this year, Patten has only ever been a #4 in a good offense, Jacobs hasn't seen the field, we've seen what thrash does as a starter, and McCants until I [b]see{/b] otherwise is still in Gibbs doghouse. If we have a chance to get Edwards or Williams - take it. No need to draft a #2 we have four of those. CB isn't a huge concern, though it should be addressed in the near future. We have lots of young guys with talent that our coaching staff wants to look at.[/QUOTE]

Tell that to coach. This isn't of my design. You know how Gibbs covets the veteran. Yes we laid an egg with the contract of Brunell but fared much better with Portis. My question to you is what has Mike Williams proven other than his slow ass 40 times? This is Gibbs way. Not mine. :oink:

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[QUOTE=Riggo44]I wouldn't be so sure about that. The Browns are going to release Lavars buddy Cortny Brown and we might get him at D.E. (You heard it here first)
Then we could draft a WR or CB. Just a thought.
Gibbs did say yesterday that we still could sign some released players. :pi_lightb[/QUOTE]

Yes, things are going to change in the upcoming weeks. I would hate to see another injury prone DE (see Daniels) signed. :oink:

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Are we ready for draft day or what?! :oink:

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[QUOTE=BossHog]Yes, things are going to change in the upcoming weeks. I would hate to see another injury prone DE (see Daniels) signed. :oink:[/QUOTE]

Starting with Bruce, we just keep signing older, more mediocre talent on the defensive line. Well, maybe not older than Bruce Smith. But I still cant get the bad taste out of my mouth whenever we talk about free agent defensive linemen.

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You mean the savy running back who had been in the year for a massive two years? That's not exactly what I consider a veteran. Our WRs are good enough that we can bench a rookie, but not so good we have time to develop one next year. Get him now, start him working. We're fine everywhere else.

Give Daniels a chance! He has one season where he has injury problems. I have a feeling there's a reason everyone says wait till he comes back!

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I imagine we'll give up our first round pick for Doug Flutie, or some other equally bone-headed move.

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[QUOTE=BossHog]My question to you is what has Mike Williams proven other than his slow ass 40 times?[/QUOTE]

You're kidding right? He's proven as much, if not more, than any incoming draftee coming out of college. Take a look at his stats against major competition. Talk to any of the scouts that saw him at the combine or at his private workout. Talk to David Greene. If you say he hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet, I'm sure Erasmus James or Marlin Jackson has?

Let's remember, Jerry Rice didn't have all world speed either- not saying BMW will have a career that stands even close to Jerry, but the comparisons of hands is already there.

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Mike Williams would be perfect. A big play guy, a HUGE end zone target. But, if history is any indication, we'll mess things up royally.

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[QUOTE=BossHog]I don't know if he is. But we do pick early in that round and the observed talent 'below' Heath Miller falls off pretty steeply. In other words, there maybe higher rated players at other position that teams may covet. :oink:[/QUOTE]

He'll be gone by the top of the second round. There's no way he'll last till the third.

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[QUOTE=BossHog]I assume we're talking about Troy Williamson. The answer is yes. We have already addressed our starting WR corps. Sorry for the dose of reality. :oink:[/QUOTE]

I think you're right that we have addressed our starting WR corps. And that's precisely what worries me. Santana Moss is the guy who the Jets were about to demote to their #3 WIDEOUT. David Patten had solid numbers and could be a top notch number 2, but he's not going to light up opposing defenses. Taylor Jacobs has what 5 catches in his career? James Thrash....nuff said.

I have the creepy feeling that we're trying to do with out WR corps what we did with our D-line two years ago.....get a bunch of mediocre players who we hope to get the most out of.

Considering how many people bitched about our WR corps last year, I find it surpring that people seem content with our current WR corps. Does anyone really think we've improved our offense with the loss of Coles and Gardner and the addition of Moss and Patten?

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Considering how many people bitched about our WR corps last year, I find it surpring that people seem content with our current WR corps. Does anyone really think we've improved our offense with the loss of Coles and Gardner and the addition of Moss and Patten?[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right. We're WAY worse off than we would have been. I think Moss is better than Gardner (we should have drafted him initially), but he has durability problems. Coles was good, but obviously unhappy. SO WHAT! We're taking a 9million dollar cap hit because the guy wasn't happy??!!! Lot's of people aren't happy at work. You make a commitment, you should stick it out. We didn't have the cap room to accomidate him and it was stupid to trade him. Even if we didn't trade him, we could have had cap room to pick up a guy through FA had he decided to sit.

My thought: We're set at QB, stick with Ramsey. We're GREAT at RB, Portis is going to be good for a long time. Our OL is good, no needs there. Our WRs STINK. That's by far the deficiency in our offense. Look at teams like the Rams, Even the Eagles with Owens, the Vikings (who's defense sucks), they all have good WRs. You need a good passing game to open up the run game. You become one dimensional, you can't do anything. Our defense is good enough; the glaring needs are at WR, start there.

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[url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/03/11/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/03/11/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html[/url]

[b]Receiver David Boston, who was cut by the Dolphins earlier this week after failing a physical, has drawn interest from the 49ers and could sign a minimum-salary contract once his surgically repaired knee is healthy.[/b]
-- Miami Herald

if boston will play on a minimum salary contract we should get him

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If we can just get our receivers set before the snap and keep our linemen from jumping offsides 10 times a game we will be better than last year.