RGIII undergoing total reconstructive surgery: out 6-8 months
 

Fresh thread time

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8827480/sources-robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-acl-lcl-surgery-ready-opener]Sources -- Robert Griffin III of Washington Redskins having ACL, LCL surgery, could be ready for opener - ESPN[/url]

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I'm just going to say right now that I think there's a lot of PR spin behind this announcement and I'd be very surprised to see him on the field before early October.

Hope I'm wrong

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What I saw was they know they need to repair the LCL and will exaiming the ACL to see if that needs repairing. LCL is several months recovery and the ACL is much lnoger.

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[quote=SmootSmack;986914]I'm just going to say right now that I think there's a lot of PR spin behind this announcement and I'd be very surprised to see him on the field before early October.

Hope I'm wrong[/quote]

Smoot, I agree, aren't there risks to coming back too early? How do you know when this thing is fully healed, not "feeling good enough to play".

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[quote=SmootSmack;986914]I'm just going to say right now that I think there's a lot of PR spin behind this announcement and I'd be very surprised to see him on the field before early October.

Hope I'm wrong[/quote]

Well the unbelievably quick return of AP will give folks hope for a rapid recovery...

Did he have just the ACL reconstructured or was the LCL involved as well? The LCL may require time, the way I read reports.

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I have always said 3 to 6 weeks and he does some Arena Football in the off-season to stay in shape.

Hope I am right.

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Surgery should be wrapping up by now, I believe

And when I say "I think"...there's more to it

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PUP him at the beginning of the year- reevaluate after 6 weeks. I'm leaning towards just having him take the year off at this point- Just because I don't trust Shanahan in handling his gradual return. He's not going to be conservative in a rehab strategy.

I'm all for drafting another QB, start Cousins, and we're still better off knowing we have our guy for 2014. Hell of a lot better than this Franchise has been the past 15 or so years.

Obviously... we can only speculate at this point....which is annoying. Just hope this is handled properly and we can get our guy back on his feet, healthy, and fresh.

I still think we can go 9-7 with Cousins at the helm. We have a great foundation of youth moving forward, and we're only going to get younger.

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Not surprising that he needed to go under the knife. I don't expect him to be ready for 2013. This off season should have been one of RG3 doing things to become a complete QB. Now he'll be doing rehab. Kinda sucks but life goes on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;986921]Surgery should be wrapping up by now, I believe

And when I say "I think"...there's more to it[/quote]

We love you SS, but we hate your teases. Let us know what you're talking about asap, please...

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[quote=SmootSmack;986921]Surgery should be wrapping up by now, I believe

[B]And when I say "I think"...there's more to it[/B][/quote]

Which is…...

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Damn, I was hoping for ONE drama free offseason with this team. Above all I hope for a full recovery and for long term health.. Gonna try not to focus so much on him being back for the opener, rather having him back for most of the season and most importantly the postseason.

On the bright side, this makes the Cousins draft pick look all the more brilliant.

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I mean when the camera's not rolling people who know will tell you 8 months is optimistic. 10 months is more realistic

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;986925]We love you SS, but we hate your teases. Let us know what you're talking about asap, please...[/quote]

Read between the lines.. It's more of an 8-10 month rehab but 6-8 months sounds much better and if he returns by opening day then it looks like they didn't truly risk his future.

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My guess is he misses the first 4 games.

Maybe the optimistic outlook of 6-8 months comes from the fact he's so young and will undoubtedly work his tail off in rehab. He's been through this before so he knows the drill. Or maybe it's just some spin to make the fans feel a little better... or to not hurt ticket sales in the offseason... or maybe it's cause they know he's effing Superman!

Either way I have faith in Kirk being able to hold down the fort. Who's got a problem with that draft pick now??

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[quote=SmootSmack;986931]I mean when the camera's not rolling[/quote]

[COLOR=Sienna][I]On the porn shoot[/I][/COLOR]

[quote=SmootSmack;986931]people who know [/quote]


[COLOR=Sienna][I]the women at the salon[/I][/COLOR]

[quote=SmootSmack;986931]will tell you 8 months is optimistic. 10 months is more realistic[/quote]

[I][COLOR=Sienna]no one really knows....[/COLOR]

[/I]I can speak Smoot

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And isnt it a little ridiculous to give an extremely opportunistic view before the surgery was even started? i can see if they were like things went extremely well..... but when this 6-8 months stuff was coming out last night

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[quote=SmootSmack;986921]Surgery should be wrapping up by now, I believe

And when I say "I think"...there's more to it[/quote]

You in the operating room, posting from your cell? :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;986921]Surgery should be wrapping up by now, I believe

And when I say "I think"...there's more to it[/quote]

Smoot, I was just thinking that Dr. Andrews is becoming famous enough to have a press conference when he gets finished with Robert! LOL

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This could have been prevented if someone had the balls to say NO to RGIII.

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[quote=mlmpetert;986938]And isnt it a little ridiculous to give an extremely opportunistic view before the surgery was even started? i can see if they were like things went extremely well..... but when this 6-8 months stuff was coming out last night[/quote]

That was my first reaction as well... i think the 6-8 month is a "best case scenario" based on normal recovery times. AP's recovery has shown that anything is possible... Phillip Daniels tweeted that he had the same surgery when he was 35 and was squatting 600lbs 7 months later.

I get that people heal at different rates, and that surgical techniques have advanced, but i have to wonder if some of these remarkable recovery times are partially due to players taking HGH or some other drugs to speed up recovery. And if they are - i dont have a problem with it. I think the NFL should allow those drugs (assuming they are legal in the US) on a case by case basis to players who are recovering from certain injuries - with the league and doctor approval. How can getting the NFLs star players back on the field sooner be a bad thing for the league?

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Let this be a lesson to Mike Shanahan about who is the authority and makes the final decisions He's lucky RGIII isn't lost for the entire season luckily we drafted one of the youngest players in the NFL if he were any older I'd doubt his ability to recover

I think he'll rush back and be starting week 1. That's just how he is, hopefully he will be OK for the rest of his career. I really hope he's not the next grant hill of the NFL

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;986942]This could have been prevented if someone had the balls to say NO to RGIII.[/quote]

I agree, but i dont think its a matter of "balls." Shanahan sat RGIII when RGIII wanted to play/beleived he could play.

THe problem i have is that Shanahan allowed RGIII to come back and play - as long as he wore the brace. I can see allowing that for an offensive lineman, who is going to be fairly immobile during a game - but given that RGIIIs position requires him to scramble and make alot of quick cuts, the brace becomes less effective. The brace slipped out of place, and thats what resulted in RGIIIs injury. Shanahan should have forseen the possibility/liklihood of that happening and not allowed RGIII to come back until he was truly 100%.

After this surgery, i dont want to see RGIII on the field again until he is 100%. And by 100%, i dont mean the 100% RGIII said he was in recent weeks - that was BS. Until Shanahan can see RGIII move around just like he did during the Saints game - without any sort of brace - he doesnt need to step on the field. I dont care if he misses the entire season - he needs to FULLY heal before he tries to play football.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;986947]I think he'll rush back and be starting week 1. That's just how he is, hopefully he will be OK for the rest of his career. I really hope he's not the next grant hill of the NFL[/quote]

I never got the chance to play him when my parents were stationed in Texas (cove was in a different division) but yeah them Texas boys.......really passionate about football and by passionate I mean live and die for the X's and O's and when you have talent of this level you work super hard to get back on the field.....

Have him hang with AP during the offseason :D

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I have no problem with Griffin missing the first four games if it means he comes back in game five completely healthy and ready to go. The best case scenario with that would be maybe only two of those games being NFC games, and one being an East game. That way, if Cousins went 1-3 or ,Lord forbid 0-4, it still wouldn't be unrealistic for Griffin to come back in and get this team on track for another winning, playoff season. However, I'd think Cousins could at least get this team to 2-2, which would be great odds, and I would be perfectly fine with that.

The biggest concern is that Griffin comes back 100% healthy! The way I see it now, he's had the surgery (or having), let's just focus on his rehab now and see how he does.

I DO think one topic that should be discussed, is what the 'skins will do about their playing field. Hopefully that's being covered in another thread.

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I predicted in the other thread that RG3 wouldn't be back until october, I'm definitely sticking with that prediction. No way in hell is going to be playing for us week 1.

Another thing to look at is our schedule. Maybe Goodell makes our schedule really tough to knock us out of playoff contention early so theres a new team that can win the east. Maybe Goodell gives us an easy 4 game schedule to start the season until RG3 comes back. Maybe he gives us all the big games (Atlanta, Denver, San Fran) later in the season so that RG3 will be ready by then and therefore more viewers.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986961]I predicted in the other thread that RG3 wouldn't be back until october, I'm definitely sticking with that prediction. No way in hell is going to be playing for us week 1.

Another thing to look at is our schedule. [B]Maybe Goodell makes our schedule really tough to knock us out of playoff contention early so theres a new team that can win the east. Maybe Goodell gives us an easy 4 game schedule to start the season until RG3 comes back. Maybe he gives us all the big games (Atlanta, Denver, San Fran) latter in the season so that RG3 will be ready by then and therefore more viewers.[/B][/quote]

I love conspiracy theorists. You realize that Goodell has basically zero to do with the schedule, right?

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[quote=skinsguy;986955]I have no problem with Griffin missing the first four games if it means he comes back in game five completely healthy and ready to go. The best case scenario with that would be maybe only two of those games being NFC games, and one being an East game. That way, if Cousins went 1-3 or ,Lord forbid 0-4, it still wouldn't be unrealistic for Griffin to come back in and get this team on track for another winning, playoff season. However, I'd think Cousins could at least get this team to 2-2, which would be great odds, and I would be perfectly fine with that.

The biggest concern is that Griffin comes back 100% healthy! The way I see it now, he's had the surgery (or having), let's just focus on his rehab now and see how he does.

I DO think one topic that should be discussed, is what the 'skins will do about their playing field. Hopefully that's being covered in another thread.[/quote]
EXACTLY ! If I were running the team , RG111 wouldn't start for weeks after he was 100% . I would maybe let him get some plays during then , but not start .

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I think he starts the season on the pup list. And I'm ok with that, I want him to take as much time as needed so that when he comes back he's fully healthy.

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[quote=Paintrain;986963]I love conspiracy theorists. You realize that Goodell has basically zero to do with the schedule, right?[/quote]

Then who makes up the schedule, Mr. Paintrain?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986961]I predicted in the other thread that RG3 wouldn't be back until october, I'm definitely sticking with that prediction. No way in hell is going to be playing for us week 1.

Another thing to look at is our schedule. Maybe Goodell makes our schedule really tough to knock us out of playoff contention early so theres a new team that can win the east. Maybe Goodell gives us an easy 4 game schedule to start the season until RG3 comes back. Maybe he gives us all the big games (Atlanta, Denver, San Fran) later in the season so that RG3 will be ready by then and therefore more viewers.[/quote]

Lets say your tinfoil hat is actually picking up some real signals from the Commish office...this scenario would just make a cupcake schedule at the end of the season when RGIII is back. 7 straight would look like child's play.

:doh:

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I just cannot believe that this is happening already. We had glimpses of it all season, and while we finished the season off strong, looking back, was it worth it having him out there after the first quarter against the seahawks? He was hobbling with a very intense limp. I dunno. I think maybe kirk could have won the game giving him the helm up by 14. I know its already ancient history, but having our franchise guy ALREADY with a torn ACL (his second) and a torn LCL doesn't bode well for the future. This is where he needs to become ultra cerebral, and learn to just be a pocket passer, and only a very situational scrambler.

Knowing his personality, I think its going to be tough to keep him in the pocket, even when he returns after all of this.

Get well RG3. Do not come back one SECOND before you are fully and completely healed. If it takes all of next season, so it goes. Just gives kirk a chance to show teams that he is worth that first and second rounder he will command after next season!!!!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986949]I agree, but i dont think its a matter of "balls." Shanahan sat RGIII when RGIII wanted to play/beleived he could play.

THe problem i have is that Shanahan allowed RGIII to come back and play - as long as he wore the brace. I can see allowing that for an offensive lineman, who is going to be fairly immobile during a game - but given that RGIIIs position requires him to scramble and make alot of quick cuts, the brace becomes less effective. The brace slipped out of place, and thats what resulted in RGIIIs injury. Shanahan should have forseen the possibility/liklihood of that happening and not allowed RGIII to come back until he was truly 100%.

[B]After this surgery, i dont want to see RGIII on the field again until he is 100%. And by 100%, i dont mean the 100% RGIII said he was in recent weeks - that was BS. Until Shanahan can see RGIII move around just like he did during the Saints game - without any sort of brace - he doesnt need to step on the field. I dont care if he misses the entire season - he needs to FULLY heal before he tries to play football.[/B][/quote]This. Especially the bold.

I just want to add one small thing:

I have said this before and I will continue to reiterate it ... what happened on FedEx against the Ravens when Robert first injured his knee was a remarkable thing. He affected the play on the field that he was not playing on, as well giving energy to the crowd that was behind the home team.

That is very special. I said then he would lead us to extraordinary heights.

Cap'n Kirk has 48 whopping pass attempts, and I'm not going to turn him into Roger Staubach. Yes, he faced down 2-20 and gave us the game-tying TD and two-point conversion that led to the game-winning FG when the Ravens were forced to punt in OT.

But it was Robert who pushed the team down the field and gave us two crucial passes to put us in the position to tie and win; it was Robert whom the 'Skins were inspired by and rallied behind to pull out that win. We would have lost last year, or the year before that, or, hell, any year since Sean Taylor was murdered and taken away from us.

Robert brought them all together and that allowed Cap'n Kirk to finish off the Ravens and beam up the Browns the next week.

I have faith in Cousins, but I don't think that either Robert's fearlessness and stubbornness, nor Shanahan's stubbornness and belief in him, and the situation they both find themselves and have put this organization into because of the mistakes that courage and bravery and belief caused should erase any of that. I believe the team will rally behing Capn' Kirk and he will hold the fort down and may even achieve great success.

But Robert is the binding component in all of it. He's the one who's fire and passion changed our organization's culture. You think those guys are gonna go out there and think that they are done if the score is down by a TD in the last four minutes of a game ever again? You think they are gonna give up on games going forward that they would have given up on before this past season?

'Cause I don't.

And Robert has a lot - a LOT - to do with that.

He just needs to get healthy now, and if that means he sits out a whole season, so be it. If he's brought onto himself a possible QB controversy if Cap'n Kirk does well next season, he will have to realize that is also another consequence of his fearlessness and stubbornness. And that's football. But I think just having him leading from the sidelines will keep us heading up.

Anyway, you guys take care. Think I'm going to stay away from here for awhile, probably until F/A and the draft. Too much reading of people's personal gripes and far-out tinfoilhattery and watching them force that to fit what's happened.

It is what it is. It's football. But seeing that happening is too disappointing for words.

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[quote=Monkeydad;986967]Lets say your tinfoil hat is actually picking up some real signals from the Commish office...this scenario would just make a cupcake schedule at the end of the season when RGIII is back. 7 straight would look like child's play.

[/quote]

I'm just throwing out different scenarios, and didn't we have at the start of the season a "brutual" schedule towards the end of our season? I believe the answer was yes (but as it turns out some of those preseason tough teams don't end up being that great by then)

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[quote=Mechanix544;986968]I just cannot believe that this is happening already. We had glimpses of it all season, and while we finished the season off strong, looking back, was it worth it having him out there after the first quarter against the seahawks? He was hobbling with a very intense limp. I dunno. I think maybe kirk could have won the game giving him the helm up by 14.[B] I know its already ancient history, but having our franchise guy ALREADY with a torn ACL (his second) and a torn LCL doesn't bode well for the future.[/B] This is where he needs to become ultra cerebral, and learn to just be a pocket passer, and only a very situational scrambler. [/quote]

Exactly!! This is why they should have benched him till he was healthy to begin with, he is the FRANCHISE QB after all. It's over and done can't cry over spilled milk, let's just hope he doesn't suffer a third knee injury cause that could be it whether he's young or not.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986966]Then who makes up the schedule, Mr. Paintrain?[/quote]

SS can probably address this in more depth, but I assure you it's not Goodell.

I believe there is a committee that works on it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986949]I agree, but i dont think its a matter of "balls." Shanahan sat RGIII when RGIII wanted to play/beleived he could play.

THe problem i have is that Shanahan allowed RGIII to come back and play - as long as he wore the brace. I can see allowing that for an offensive lineman, who is going to be fairly immobile during a game - but given that RGIIIs position requires him to scramble and make alot of quick cuts, the brace becomes less effective. [B]The brace slipped out of place, and thats what resulted in RGIIIs injury.[/B] Shanahan should have forseen the possibility/liklihood of that happening and not allowed RGIII to come back until he was truly 100%.

After this surgery, i dont want to see RGIII on the field again until he is 100%. And by 100%, i dont mean the 100% RGIII said he was in recent weeks - that was BS. Until Shanahan can see RGIII move around just like he did during the Saints game - without any sort of brace - he doesnt need to step on the field. I dont care if he misses the entire season - he needs to FULLY heal before he tries to play football.[/quote]

Eh?

His knee was already compromised, didn't take much to injure it further. A brace does little to prevent injury... it's just there to provide support to a weak joint.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;986973]SS can probably address this in more depth, but I assure you it's not Goodell.

I believe there is a committee that works on it.[/QUOTE]

There is, and I believe they sort through almost 50k scenarios before they settle on the one that works best for everyone. To think that one guy would deliberately go out of his way to make one teams schedule extra hard is among the more crazy ideas I've heard.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986961]I predicted in the other thread that RG3 wouldn't be back until october, I'm definitely sticking with that prediction. No way in hell is going to be playing for us week 1.

Another thing to look at is our schedule. Maybe Goodell makes our schedule really tough to knock us out of playoff contention early so theres a new team that can win the east. Maybe Goodell gives us an easy 4 game schedule to start the season until RG3 comes back. Maybe he gives us all the big games (Atlanta, Denver, San Fran) later in the season so that RG3 will be ready by then and therefore more viewers.[/quote]

That's not how it works

Each network prepares their proposed schedule and then negotiates amongst each other with the NFL's Howard Katz having final say. There are many, many factors involved in creating the schedule