Mara Karma
 

To my Redskins Nation,

Here's something you should reflect on this Holiday: In the beginning of the season the Giants Owner initiated the investigation that cost both the Cowboys and Redskins millions of dollars in salary cap space. In the redskins case, it was over 30 million dollars.

I won't go into details here, because there is plenty that has already been written about it. Let's just say it was a BS investigation with a BS outcome. The only reason it wasn't challenged in court is because it would have cost a lot more people a lot more money in the long run. It cost the redskins the most money but the Giants owner wasn't satisfied, he wanted "draft picks". After we drafted RG3 he wanted the draft picks stripped from us, making our trade with St Louis void, and making it impossible for us to keep Black Jesus on our team.

John Mara (Giants Owner) is such a scumbag, that even Daniel Snyder was caught on tape earlier this season saying "I hate that motherf***ker".

Now isn't it fitting, that after it was all said and done. The two teams he tried to screw over, are playing for the NFC East title next weekend, while the NY Giants are playing on a hope and a prayer/nothing but a paycheck. Mara, You REAP what you SOW you silly bitch... Merry Christmas. HTTR.

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**** john mara with a broken glass covered broom handle.

That is all

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Vick will start instead of Foles. I see elimination at the hands of the sheagles. Vick runs all over them RG3 style.

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I think you have something....Zeesson

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word.

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Peace on earth and kick Mara in the balls.

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I was going to wait for the skins to make the playoffs and then make this post. I hope the skins make the playoffs, Mara is a pussy!! It would be awesome to rub it all over his face.

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Mara is a target for hawk spit. He knew that even after last year's results that his Giants weren't a good team. Seeing as though the Redskins swept them, Mara knew that the Redskins once they were rebuilt would topple the Giants every time they play. What better way to thwart the Redskins progression than by bitching and gripping to the league what the Redskins front office was doing. Seeing as though the Giants turned out to be weaklings this season, it only makes Mara look even more like a $2.00 ho.

We would have swept their sorry asses this year too if it wasn't for a blown coverage with 1:00 left. It's all good we have RG3 and a young offense to go with him for years to come. Skins will take control of the nfc east real soon. Hell they already have Started pretty much

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what goes around comes around. HTTR

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He took away 18 million.

I'm still hoping against hope for the other 18 million to return by an appeal of some sort this offseason. Then i'd like to screw the mofo by signing someone off their team with the money.. Kenny Phillips is a FA in 2013...

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I think you're referring to rg3 as black is kind of inappropriate, especially given the recent espn first take controversy. Rg3s skin color is completely irrelevant. Why do people have to keep commenting on it. I don't see colts fans referring to luck as "white Jesus."

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;980059]I think you're referring to rg3 as black is kind of inappropriate, especially given the recent espn first take controversy. Rg3s skin color is completely irrelevant. Why do people have to keep commenting on it. I don't see colts fans referring to luck as "white Jesus."[/quote]

Noting someones Blackness isn't derogatory or inappropriate, unless you follow that with something derogatory or inappropriate. If anything the Jesus usage would be considered sacrilege to some haha.

Until we are one color it will be mentioned often.

On topic i have tons of Giants fans in my family and have really been enjoying the last couple weeks. How Mara was able to influence these penalties at all i just don't understand.

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I don't want to be the guy who bursts anyone's bubble, but we really shouldn't count our chickens before they hatch. I'll breathe a little easier if we clinch on Sunday.

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[quote=Zerohero;980062] How Mara was able to influence these penalties at all i just don't understand.[/quote]


He did'nt as many around the NFL know but I do understand the perception.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;980029]He knew that even after last year's results that his Giants weren't a good team. .[/quote]

Yet he has the trophy and the ring to prove it was a good team, a Championship team.

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[quote=Giantone;980086]Yet he has the trophy and the ring to prove it was a good team, a Championship team.[/quote]

Well enjoy it, it may be a loooooooong time before you see another...
HTTR!!!

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[quote=Zerohero;980062]Noting someones Blackness isn't derogatory or inappropriate, unless you follow that with something derogatory or inappropriate. If anything the Jesus usage would be considered sacrilege to some haha.

Until we are one color it will be mentioned often.

On topic i have tons of Giants fans in my family and have really been enjoying the last couple weeks. How Mara was able to influence these penalties at all i just don't understand.[/quote]

Noting someones whiteness would be considered inappropriate by most people, so doing the same for blackness is the same thing. On topic, Mara is Chairman of the NFL Management committee so, its part of his job in that role to influence pentalties. From our perspective, since were in the same division, he should have recused himself. However, given that the rest of the owners and the commish agreed to the penalties, i dont think that necessarily would have changed anything.

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[quote=44ever;980093]Well enjoy it, it may be a loooooooong time before you see another...
HTTR!!![/quote]

You are 125% right,one never knows how the season will go,kinda why I said at the begining of the year it's not a sprint but a marathon.I think 2 championships in 5 years has hurt to a point,draft picks,schedules, it's the way the league goes.I said this the other day,if you watch the NFC East the Skins are the best team in it right now!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;980099] On topic, Mara is Chairman of the NFL Management committee so, its part of his job in that role to influence pentalties. From our perspective, since were in the same division, he should have recused himself. However, given that the rest of the owners and the commish agreed to the penalties, i dont think that necessarily would have changed anything.[/quote]


Mara is the head of the commitee there is nothing to say he "influence" anything.I fully understand your and Skin fans perspective on this whole matter but I disagree with him having to "recused" himself from the proceedings.If he does that then the Eagles owner must also do it,everyteam is represented .Were the penalties right or wrong I don't know,none of us do becuase we don't know what really happen.

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[quote=Giantone;980085]He did'nt as many around the NFL know but I do understand the perception.[/quote]Mara did influence those penalties, like he influenced the "delay of game penalty" that everyone agrees should be overturned after the Lions debacle.

You should read these links.

[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?372196-For-Midget-Fans-Why-John-Mara-cheated"]WHY JOHN MARA CHEATED[/URL]

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Avks_TwhkFK0254WFQ4I3f9DubYF?slug=jc-cole_redskins_cowboys_salary_cap_john_mara_owners_032512"]“Ask John Mara,” the executive said.[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000099733/article/john-mara-wants-to-alter-challenge-rule-he-advocated"]Mara influencing other stuff too[/URL]

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[quote=HailGreen28;980102]Mara did influence those penalties, like he influenced the "delay of game penalty" that everyone agrees should be overturned after the Lions debacle.

You should read these links.

[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?372196-For-Midget-Fans-Why-John-Mara-cheated"]WHY JOHN MARA CHEATED[/URL]

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Avks_TwhkFK0254WFQ4I3f9DubYF?slug=jc-cole_redskins_cowboys_salary_cap_john_mara_owners_032512"]“Ask John Mara,” the executive said.[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000099733/article/john-mara-wants-to-alter-challenge-rule-he-advocated"]Mara influencing other stuff too[/URL][/quote]


1)Extrem Skins,really?
2)The opinion of a Washington Redskin executive
3)All owners have things that might best suit their team they want discussed.Jerry Jones and the Horse collar rule comes to mind.
Sorry, still no proof.

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[quote=Giantone;980109]1)Extrem Skins,really?
2)The opinion of a Washington Redskin executive
3)All owners have things that might best suit their team they want discussed.Jerry Jones and the Horse collar rule comes to mind.
Sorry, still no proof.[/quote]1. Read the links inside the extremeskins thread.
2. And Mara being the point man.
3. I thought you said John Mara didn't influence things like this?

There's plenty of proof of Mara's cheating, including the links I posted.

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^ Don't matter. We have RG3 :)

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[quote=44ever;980114]^ Don't matter. We have RG3 :)[/quote]I'm glad we didn't use the cap money Mara stole, on getting Finnegan. But some help in our secondary would be nice.

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[quote=Giantone;980101]Mara is the head of the commitee there is nothing to say he "influence" anything.I fully understand your and Skin fans perspective on this whole matter but I disagree with him having to "recused" himself from the proceedings.If he does that then the Eagles owner must also do it,everyteam is represented .Were the penalties right or wrong I don't know,none of us do becuase we don't know what really happen.[/quote]

Giantone, you seem like a bright guy and I for one enjoy your partipation on this forum.

However, to say that the chair of any committee doesn't have significant influence on that committee is just wrong. The chair sets the agenda, and will have a significant effect on the committee's decision-making process. As suggested earlier, Mara should have recused himself from this issue, and I, for one, believe the outcome would have been different without his evident bias against competitors in his division.

And I realize you, and Giants fans in general don't get our strong reaction to all of this. But then, we're the one's getting screwed here...

I've never agreed more with Daniel Snyder on any issue by the way. And that karma thing sucks, doesn't it?

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[quote=Giantone;980101]Mara is the head of the commitee there is nothing to say he "influence" anything.I fully understand your and Skin fans perspective on this whole matter but I disagree with him having to "recused" himself from the proceedings.If he does that then the Eagles owner must also do it,everyteam is represented .Were the penalties right or wrong I don't know,none of us do becuase we don't know what really happen.[/quote]

Its obvious that Mara was, at minimum, overly zealous, in trying to punish the skins for failing to participate in illegal collusion. Its fitting that Mara did everything he could to hurt the skins and cowboys and now his team probably wont make the playoffs.

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The Giants "SB hangover" is a much more likely explanation for this year's struggles than anything karma/Mara related. But I don't see anything indicating the team/roster is in decline. They're still competitive and I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the playoffs again in the years ahead.

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[quote=The Goat;980240]The Giants "SB hangover" is a much more likely explanation for this year's struggles than anything karma/Mara related. But I don't see anything indicating the team/roster is in decline. They're still competitive and I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the playoffs again in the years ahead.[/quote]

Goat, its going to be much more difficult for the Giants to make the playoffs with the Skins finally competing in the division. They have basically had the luxury of playing in a 3 team division for many years. Looks like that has changed and is the very reason why they are not already in a wild-card slot right now. HTTR!!!

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[quote=Giantone;980086]Yet he has the trophy and the ring to prove it was a good team, a Championship team.[/quote]

The Giants were more lucky than good. I'm not attempting to discredit their success, but they were a 7-7 team going into week 16. They soundly beat Atlanta, then traveled to GB the following week to face a Packers team that played poorly on offense and pitiful on defense. Then the second of the two Kyle Williams punt return fumbles in SF provided the NYG to enter into the SB to face a New England team with a last ranked defense that they came back to beat in the last moments of the game. Yeah, the Giants won SB 46 but then again a lucky team is not a good team. The 2011 NYG were the only Super Bowl champion in NFL history to be outscored by their opponents during the regular season. That's hardly a good team......

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;980253]The Giants were more lucky than good. I'm not attempting to discredit their success, but they were a 7-7 team going into week 16. They soundly beat Atlanta, then traveled to GB the following week to face a Packers team that played poorly on offense and pitiful on defense. Then the second of the two Kyle Williams punt return fumbles in SF provided the NYG to enter into the SB to face a New England team with a last ranked defense that they came back to beat in the last moments of the game. Yeah, the Giants won SB 46 but then again a lucky team is not a good team. The 2011 NYG were the only Super Bowl champion in NFL history to be outscored by their opponents during the regular season. That's hardly a good team......[/quote]

A short way of saying how good they really were is:

We beat them twice. Without a quarterback. End of story.

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[quote=zeesson;979999]To my Redskins Nation,

Here's something you should reflect on this Holiday: In the beginning of the season the Giants Owner initiated the investigation that cost both the Cowboys and Redskins millions of dollars in salary cap space. In the redskins case, it was over 30 million dollars.

I won't go into details here, because there is plenty that has already been written about it. Let's just say it was a BS investigation with a BS outcome. The only reason it wasn't challenged in court is because it would have cost a lot more people a lot more money in the long run. It cost the redskins the most money but the Giants owner wasn't satisfied, he wanted "draft picks". After we drafted RG3 he wanted the draft picks stripped from us, making our trade with St Louis void, and making it impossible for us to keep Black Jesus on our team.

John Mara (Giants Owner) is such a scumbag, that even Daniel Snyder was caught on tape earlier this season saying "I hate that motherf***ker".

Now isn't it fitting, that after it was all said and done. The two teams he tried to screw over, are playing for the NFC East title next weekend, while the NY Giants are playing on a hope and a prayer/nothing but a paycheck. Mara, You REAP what you SOW you silly bitch... Merry Christmas. HTTR.[/quote]

As much as I like your "F-U Mara", RG3 is not "Black Jesus", Obama holds that title.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;980253]The Giants were more lucky than good. I'm not attempting to discredit their success, but they were a 7-7 team going into week 16. They soundly beat Atlanta, then traveled to GB the following week to face a Packers team that played poorly on offense and pitiful on defense. Then the second of the two Kyle Williams punt return fumbles in SF provided the NYG to enter into the SB to face a New England team with a last ranked defense that they came back to beat in the last moments of the game. Yeah, the Giants won SB 46 but then again a lucky team is not a good team. The 2011 NYG were the only Super Bowl champion in NFL history to be outscored by their opponents during the regular season. That's hardly a good team......[/quote]

Funny thing is you just made the case for the Giants being a good team for me,Thank You.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;980253]The Giants were more lucky than good. I'm not attempting to discredit their success, but they were a 7-7 team going into week 16. They soundly beat Atlanta, then traveled to GB the following week to face a Packers team that played poorly on offense and pitiful on defense. Then the second of the two Kyle Williams punt return fumbles in SF provided the NYG to enter into the SB to face a New England team with a last ranked defense that they came back to beat in the last moments of the game. Yeah, the Giants won SB 46 but then again a lucky team is not a good team. The 2011 NYG were the only Super Bowl champion in NFL history to be outscored by their opponents during the regular season. That's hardly a good team......[/quote]

Right, doesn't anyone remember the Giants tripping and falling onto the Lombardi Trophy? That's the way I remember it too. :doh:

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[quote=Giantone;980286]Funny thing is you just made the case for the Giants being a good team for me,Thank You.[/quote]

No, I didn't. Not in the least. Their path to the Super Bowl trophy was paved with luck, 15-1 teams not showing up to play, and a poor defense not being good enough to defend in a game when it counted the most. This team was nothing at all like the 1986 Giants who ran over every opponent to get to the SB. The 2011 NYG were more like 1979 LA Rams.

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I wouldn't mind some of that Giants luck for our playoff run. :)

And didn't we just have a little taste with Foles missing that wide open TD near the end of last week's game??

Luck alone doesn't win you a Super Bowl.

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[quote=Mattyk;980314]I wouldn't mind some of that Giants luck for our playoff run. :)

And didn't we just have a little taste with Foles missing that wide open TD near the end of last week's game??

Luck alone doesn't win you a Super Bowl.[/quote]Perhaps Foles missed that throw due to his broken hand. Luck is part of the game too. If Welker catches that throw from Brady with 4 minutes left in the Super Bowl, NE probably grinds out the clock and wins the game. Most champions have some measure of luck along the way.

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[quote=SBXVII;980268]As much as I like your "F-U Mara", RG3 is not "Black Jesus", Obama holds that title.[/quote]

RG3 looks just like Black Jesus.

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True enough. At the same time, champions have teams and players that make the most the lucky breaks they get.

Luck undeniably plays a part - its an odd shaped ball and it bounces in funny ways. With that said, I would rather have Ed Reed trying to catch the bouncing ball then, say, DeJon Gomes.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;980374]RG3 looks just like Black Jesus.[/quote]

Fred Davis baptized RGIII with that name. I call him the Messiah.