FOX Sports Says Pierce is Gone
 

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NOOOOO!!!!!

Huge deal for him though, what do you guys think, is he worth 6 yrs $26M, $6.5M up front? I'm not so sure I'd want us to top that.

We'd better get crackin' on Smoot!

Pierce hasn't officially signed the deal yet, so I'm still holding out some hope!

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Hard to say if he's worth it because I don't know what the going rate is for young MLBs

Do we consider Kendrell Bell?

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F**k can we keep any one of our good players. If he doesnt give the Redskins a chance to counter, he is just fu**ing wrong after all of those " washington is where I want to be" speaches!

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It was said that he was going to get monster money. This is a tough one to swallow. This will be the biggest mistake of the offseason.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]

Huge deal for him though, what do you guys think, is he worth 6 yrs $26M, $6.5M up front? I'm not so sure I'd want us to top that.

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Too much IMO, I'd rather them use that kind of money to work on Smoot or Rolle

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isn't Pierce unrestricted? Do the Redskins even have the option to match?

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This does suck but let's try to be reasonable. Gregg Williams probably has a good idea of exactly what he's worth to us and what it's worth to not have him playing us twice a year. He has a better idea of Pierce's worth than the Giants do, I would think. Let's wait and see what happens for sure. I'm sure the Danny would be willing to fork out the dough if either Gibbs or Williams thought he was worth it

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]Hard to say if he's worth it because I don't know what the going rate is for young MLBs

Do we consider Kendrell Bell?[/QUOTE]

No if we dont get Pierce then we make that bastard Borrow work for the money that he is getting paid. One aging LB on our roster is enough.

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[QUOTE=angryssg]No if we dont get Pierce then we make that bastard Borrow work for the money that he is getting paid. One aging LB on our roster is enough.[/QUOTE]

Bell and Pierce are the same age (a few months apart)

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oh nooooooooooooooooo :doh:

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That hurts my heart right now

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If Barrow gets healthy, we're still fine. He averaged 124 tackles in 15.5 games per year in his previous four years with the Giants. I will assume that if we don't re-sign Pierce that this could be the case or that the Skins have other plans.

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id rather have pierce right now than smoot, im sorry.

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But Bell went to Georgia!!!! Haha, sry I am biassed. Go Dawgs!!

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Hey until I hear inks hit the paper I don't wanna get too down, but never the less a little unnerving. 6 years at $26 million isn't really all too unreasonable or anything. If you really think about what some other players are getting paid.

With a $6.5 million dollar bonus I would figure that the cap number for this year wouldn't be too unreasonable either, but maybe someone can tell me what kind of cap money that would take up this year...

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[QUOTE=Cush]Bell and Pierce are the same age (a few months apart)[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected and feel like a jackass at the same time. Thank you for showing me the error in my ways. I am therefore awarded no points and may God have mercy on my soul.

In my defense though If we cant keep Pierce then I thing that we should draft a LB.

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[QUOTE=angryssg]I stand corrected and feel like a jackass at the same time. Thank you for showing me the error in my ways. I am therefore awarded no points and may God have mercy on my soul.



at no time did anything you said make sense, we are all dumber now for having read it.:laughing2

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Nice one wolf, but no more watching Billy Madison for you

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oohh to touch the hiny.

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If Pierce leaves without given us a shot at matching the deal fcuk him. He said that he wanted to be a redskin and he would give us a shot at matching so if he doesn't he isn't worth the time. Barrow would give us time to find a solid replacement plus Clinton Smith could be the next Pierce for all we know. Don't rule out Danny goin after Hartwell or Bell though.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins][QUOTE=angryssg]I stand corrected and feel like a jackass at the same time. Thank you for showing me the error in my ways. I am therefore awarded no points and may God have mercy on my soul.



at no time did anything you said make sense, we are all dumber now for having read it.:laughing2[/QUOTE]

Thanks, you have boosted my confidence and my self esteem.

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]isn't Pierce unrestricted? Do the Redskins even have the option to match?[/QUOTE]

Yeah he's unrestricted, but he said recently that he would give the Skins a chance to match any offers. We'll see if he holds true to that, or maybe more importantly, will the Skins consider matching if they are indeed given that chance?

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Skins should match. This is chump change money and he is worth it. I bet the Giant contract is back loaded. The real question is how good will he be? In two to three years he might command 15+ million signing bonus.

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As a theoretical question, assuming the money is essentially the same, would you rather have Rolle and Pierce or Smoot and Hartwell?

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I think Pierce will give the Skins a chance to match. He has shown loyalty to the club in the past, such as playing for a less lucrative deal than what other teams were offering last year.

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Could be that Pierce has already given the Skins the opportunity to match, and they decided it didn't fit their salary cap projections for the next few years. I doubt Pierce would totally forsake Williams, not to mention Snyder's checkbook. Barrow's supposedly going to be ready to practice during the offseason camps, and they've re-signed their young backups, so maybe throwing a lot of money at Pierce doesn't make sense, given those factors.

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[QUOTE=e16bball]As a theoretical question, assuming the money is essentially the same, would you rather have Rolle and Pierce or Smoot and Hartwell?[/QUOTE]

Theoretically I would rather have pierce and smoot, but I would rather let go of pierce than smoot

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I saw we let Pierce go. He is a good player, but he can be replace. Part of his success was because of the system. Barrow should be able to replace him if he's healthy. I think we MUST resign Smoot. He is a rising star who really effects what GW can do on defense. Plus i think we can draft a good young MLB in the third round and have in ready to play in one year.

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[QUOTE=e16bball]As a theoretical question, assuming the money is essentially the same, would you rather have Rolle and Pierce or Smoot and Hartwell?[/QUOTE]

Continuity is always a better option. Getting up to speed takes time. You can't just throw someone in and expect them to perform from the get go. I'd rather keep Pierce and Smoot.

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[QUOTE=joecrisp]Could be that Pierce has already given the Skins the opportunity to match, and they decided it didn't fit their salary cap projections for the next few years. I doubt Pierce would totally forsake Williams, not to mention Snyder's checkbook. Barrow's supposedly going to be ready to practice during the offseason camps, and they've re-signed their young backups, so maybe throwing a lot of money at Pierce doesn't make sense, given those factors.[/QUOTE]

Very well could be, I hope not though.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Yeah he's unrestricted, but he said recently that he would give the Skins a chance to match any offers. We'll see if he holds true to that, or maybe more importantly, will the Skins consider matching if they are indeed given that chance?[/QUOTE]

Yeah upon further inspection of the article I noticed that AP didn't sign but an "agreement is in place"

But I think we've talked before about how Marshall is a natural MLB. So maybe if Barrow doesn't pan out then you go Washington, Marshall, Arrington

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the skins could definately save some money by not resigning pierce, they already have barrow signed and ready. i'm not saying it's the right move but it is something to think about.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]the skins could definately save some money by not resigning pierce, they already have barrow signed and ready. i'm not saying it's the right move but it is something to think about.[/QUOTE]

Well spoken and enough said farewell pierce. Borrow its time to earn your paycheck and lets draft a LB.

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I don't think we should match it, but I defer to Gibbs and Williams.

Pierce's deal isn't far from what we gave Trotter. Pierce looks like a Pro Bowler, but he's only had one season. Plus, Williams made our defense look great with Wynn, Griffin, Salave'a, and Evans on our defensive line, LeMar Marshall at LB, and Clark at safety. Half our defensive starters were undrafted free agents. So, perhaps Pierce looked better than he really is.

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Clifton Smith was signed at MLB and was a stud at Syracuse. He left early at Syracuse and many scouts felt he had the talent to develop into a second round draft pick. He has no experience in the Pros, but we seem to have developed a knack for getting good undrafted free agents on defense. Or, at the very least, Williams is good at masking holes on defense. With Barrow coming back, I'm not terrified by the loss of Pierce.

But, if we also lose Smoot, we are going to need some help on defense (either with the pass rush or in coverage).

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Clifton Smith was signed at MLB and was a stud at Syracuse. He left early at Syracuse and many scouts felt he had the talent to develop into a second round draft pick. He has no experience in the Pros, but we seem to have developed a knack for getting good undrafted free agents on defense. Or, at the very least, Williams is good at masking holes on defense. With Barrow coming back, I'm not terrified by the loss of Pierce.

But, if we also lose Smoot, we are going to need some help on defense (either with the pass rush or in coverage).[/QUOTE]

We will also need soe help in run support, because Smoot is good at that as well.

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I think it's the intangibles I worry about losing when it comes to Pierce. He was basically a coach on the field, always aware of where his teammates had to be. What they were supposed to be doing, etc. Most players have a hard enough time just worrying about themselves

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He's not worth the money.

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[QUOTE=angryssg]We will also need soe help in run support, because Smoot is good at that as well.[/QUOTE]

I'm not so worried about run support; Pierce was primarily a coverage linebacker and Smoot would try to tackle, but he'd come up limping after tackling scat backs.