If Shanny's Not Your Man, Then What Is Your Plan?
 

Spinning off of the Should We Fire Mike Shanahan thread..

If you are one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

Be detailed.

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i'd hire me, cause if we're going to lose, i might as well take $2mill+ a year to compensate.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;961743][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zxsbVMrOUNw/Sc5MRB-R2aI/AAAAAAAAB6w/gUWfm7LyExE/s400/coach_240.jpg[/img][/quote]:lol: yes

Lol great title

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I'm not necessarily in the pro-fire Shanny group, but I like the prospects of Russ Grimm or Todd Bowles. Grimm seems overdue a shot at head coaching. The real question is, who would they bring in as coordinators? If Kyle was willing to remain as offensive coordinator, I think that would be good for RGIII, but I doubt that would happen. Maybe Todd Bowles would be willing to come in and coach the secondary at least?

Isn't bowles the coordinator in Philadelphia now?? Yeah.. they have gotten worse since Castillo left

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[quote=skinsfaninok;961751]Isn't bowles the coordinator in Philadelphia now?? Yeah.. they have gotten worse since Castillo left[/quote]

Can't judge Bowles for that though. He did a pretty good job as interim head coach for the Dolphins when Miami fired Sporano - Bowles went 2-1.

What about chip Kelly? Just throwing a name out there

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Greg Roman, the next Harbaugh.

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Where are those loud people at from the "Fire Mike" poll thread at? I want to see some detailed stuff on these questions since they are dead set that Mike is wrong. I still have yet to see a god damn thing from most of them except rhetoric and bullshit.

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Greg Roman would be another good candidate, Chip Kelly would be an interesting choice, although I'd like to see how he'd do as an offensive coordinator in the NFL first before being a head coach.

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Stay the course!

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Well I'm kinda happy with MS and KS. I wasn't at first but with the way the offense has been putting points on the board (when we have the right people healthy) I'm excited about what next year and maybe the year after would look like.

BUT, .... I'm not happy with Haslett. I didn't want him. Wasn't happy with the pick up. Everything pointed to the fact Haslett has done diddly in the NFL. As a DC in Pittsburgh his team was about as good as we are now. After he was fired and the team replaced him with another DC who tweeked the 3/4 scheme they had, the Steelers were a ton better. Haslett had nothing to do with it. I'm not really happy with the thought of the DB coach taking over either. I'm sure he would switch up to a Tampa 2.

What I'd do right now... is (just like Denver did) tell MS that Haslett must go. But who do we temporarily replace him with? Morris? maybe the last few games could be his evaluation time as well. Otherwise I look for a better 3/4 DC in the offseason. Make the draft a defensive heavy draft with a sprinkling of offensive players, ie; WR, OL, TE (or FB). I know everyone has their favorites or perhaps dislikes. I would assume that Rex Ryan will get fired (or atleast hope he does), then nab him to be the DC here. What a better rivalry then Redskins/Dallas, brother vs. brother.

Otherwise..... I'm not interested in Bill Cowher, people complain about what has MS done in the last 13 yrs. It took Cowher about 13 yrs to get to the SB and win it then he bailed. I'm not waiting 13 yrs for Cowher to get his players in and win a SB.

I'd probably go with Gruden. Then I'd let him pick his co-ordinators and staff. No need in picking people for him and having conflict with opinions.

or we could throw a ton of money at the Ex-Saints HC. lol.

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[quote=Paintrain;961732]Spinning off of the Should We Fire Mike Shanahan thread..

If you are one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

Be detailed.[/quote]

It's kind of funny you started this thread because when I started a similar thread I locked it when your post jumped it way over the shark

Anyhow, let's say Mike and Kyle are gone

COO: Bruce Allen. Make it clear he's in charge of the organization, not picking the roster

GM: Mo Brown, or Brian Gaine, or Nick Caserio (Brown because he's in house and well respected Gaine and Caserio are bright young execs)

HC: Perry Fewell. I want a coach looking for a 2nd chance (though I think a guy like Brian Schottenheimer could actually be great) and Fewell has experience, is familiar with big media markets, is disciplined and well respected. And we'd be taking away a division rival's coach

OC/DC: Let me think about those.

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Smoot,

Brian Schottenheimer I think would be a great prospect also, but I really wish Snyder would simply eat some crow and bring back Marty S. He had the team on the right track and got them to 8-8 his first year then got canned. But thats just me. Maybe he's too old also or maybe he could be the GM and his son would be HC. That way he could offer some tips and ideas in certain situations.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;961759]Greg Roman, the next Harbaugh.[/quote]\

What do you think about Bill O'brien? He's doing an amazing job with Penn State. He's experience in the pros. Not sure he could get out of his contract but he'd be on my radar.

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Oh and in the mean time I'd look at other teams practice squad Safeties and CB's and if there were enough I'd cut/fire all of ours and bring in brand new young talent. Atleast if mistakes were to be made I'd rather it be with a bunch of Rookies or newbies vs. a bunch of Vets that have no excuse for acting they way they are and making the mistakes they are.

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[quote=SBXVII;961780]Smoot,

Brian Schottenheimer I think would be a great prospect also, but I really wish Snyder would simply eat some crow and bring back Marty S. He had the team on the right track and got them to 8-8 his first year then got canned. But thats just me. Maybe he's too old also or maybe he could be the GM and his son would be HC. That way he could offer some tips and ideas in certain situations.[/quote]

Marty and Snyder did talk briefly about joining back up again. Don't think it was too serious though. They get along great and maybe they just want to keep it that way

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Can anyone enlighten me to why Sean Payton would be available next year?

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[quote=Paintrain;961732]Spinning off of the Should We Fire Mike Shanahan thread..

If you are one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

Be detailed.[/quote]

Where did you get the idea that if a fan advocates that Shanahan be replaced, that he should have a plan to fix everything after Shanahan is gone?

A fan doesn't need to have the answers in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach. I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan. As I said above, I don't think I need to know how to fix the Redskins in order to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961790]Marty and Snyder did talk briefly about joining back up again. Don't think it was too serious though. They get along great and maybe they just want to keep it that way[/quote]


I'll admit when Marty first came and all the talk about him being to much of a disciplinarian had me somewhat fooled also, but he did have the team playing well by mid season and penalties were down.

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[quote=mredskins;961791]Can anyone enlighten me to why Sean Payton would be available next year?[/quote]

Either his contract is up and there is no extention or due to his punishment the Commish has decided to not recind Payton's contract so the Saints wouldn't be bound by it if they wanted to go in a different direction because of the punishment.

I think.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961792]Where did you ever get the idea that if a fan advocates that Shanahan be replaced, that he should have a plan to fix everything after Shanahan is gone?

A fan doesn't need to have the answers in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach. I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan. As I said above, I don't think I need to know how to fix the Redskins in order to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.[/quote]

Sensitive much? I just figured if you think option A is so bad, surely you'd have an option B you would prefer. Kinda common sense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961774]It's kind of funny you started this thread because when I started a similar thread I locked it when your post jumped it way over the shark

Anyhow, let's say Mike and Kyle are gone

COO: Bruce Allen. Make it clear he's in charge of the organization, not picking the roster

GM: Mo Brown, or Brian Gaine, or Nick Caserio (Brown because he's in house and well respected Gaine and Caserio are bright young execs)

HC: Perry Fewell. I want a coach looking for a 2nd chance (though I think a guy like Brian Schottenheimer could actually be great) and Fewell has experience, is familiar with big media markets, is disciplined and well respected. And we'd be taking away a division rival's coach

OC/DC: Let me think about those.[/quote]

Yeah, sorry about that, lol. I think in reading the Fire thread it just seemed like people were bitching for the sake of bitching without offering any alternatives which sparked my post.

In the case Shanahan is gone (which I also strongly doubt) I would be good with Allen running the front office, Fewell or Dom Capers (only with a strong OC) as the HC, don't know about the OC though because I think Kyle is the perfect scheme fit for RGIII. His 3rd down & redzone playcalling has to improve though.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961792]Where did you get the idea that if a fan advocates that Shanahan be replaced, that he should have a plan to fix everything after Shanahan is gone?

A fan doesn't need to have the answers in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach. I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan. As I said above, I don't think I need to know how to fix the Redskins in order to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.[/quote]

Yeah Paintrain, where did you ever get the idea to ask such a question on a fan site? How dare you?!!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961792]Where did you ever get the idea that before a fan can legitimately advocate that a Head Coach should be replaced, that he should be able to pick the coach's successor?

A fan doesn't need to have the answer in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and[B] I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach.[/B] I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan even though I don't know who I would hire to take his place. But, as I said above, I don't think I need to know who I would pick as his successor to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.[/quote]

I wish the team could say the same thing about the fans. Especially right after a loss.

Anyway, MS was baited. Prior to the game MS said this is a "must win game" in order to stay in the hunt for the play offs. < yes he should not have said that. But he was being honest. Carolina had only won 1 game.

After the loss to Carolina, a reporter asked him about that comment and how he feels now after the loss? Again MS was being too honest and commented (as I see it) to do two things, 1: to motivate his players to start playing in a professional manner and better then they have, and 2: and to point out the obvious and that is if the players don't start playing better this team is going no where. Which means all they are playing for is to evaluate the players.

Funny that the media ignored or over shadowed the question with "oh my look what MS had to say" and not look at what the question was that was presented and why it was presented.

In the end though MS is human. He lost a game I'm sure he felt they should have won. The players didn't come to play. The defense didn't come to play. The play calls were not the best play calls at the right time. and the team lost. MS was definitley frustrated. Probably mad. and is told he had to go talk to the media.

Whats more weird is it's ok for the fans to talk this way, the media to talk this way, but don't let a player talk honestly or a coach. I think most of us figured the team win 8 games or less. Funny how a few good games at the beginning made everyone think SB or Playoffs. Now because the HC comes out and says what he says, fans get up in arms.

Also the media seemed to over look or leave out the fact MS did say after that one sentence this team statistically is still in the thick of things. Which means he knows this team could possibly pull off a play off birth but not the way they are playing and honestly thats better then most of us here thought we would be at this point. I think.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961805]Yeah Paintrain, where did you ever get the idea to ask such a question on a fan site? How dare you?!![/quote]

I know, crazy right?

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Perry Fewell was one I kind of looked at as well, but leave it to me to put my Redskins fandom above others and have Russ Grimm as my favorite. I don't know how much of a disciplinarian Russ Grimm would be, but I think he'd make a good head coach. All I know is, I would want a coach that knows how to coach discipline into his players, knows how to make halftime adjustments and knows how to manage the clock, knows how to surround himself with the right coaching staff to make it all work. Geez....I want another coach Joe Gibbs (from the 1980's!)

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[quote=Paintrain;961799]Sensitive much? I just figured if you think option A is so bad, surely you'd have an option B you would prefer. Kinda common sense.[/quote]

No, not common sense because I'm not a professional football executive and I'm not qualified to figure out the solution.

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I think we ought to at least see how the rest of the season plays out before anyone gets funny ideas of major changes in the coaching staff. The Redskins ahve been burned by a lack of continuity for ages, and starting over again is pretty rough. But if we were to do that, I actually like Billick. Or Cowher.

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For those of you who ask what's so special about Greg Roman, read his Bio:

Greg Roman is in his second year with the 49ers after being named the team’s offensive coordinator on January 14, 2011.

Under Roman’s direction in 2011, the 49ers notched a 13-3 record as the offense ranked in the NFL’s top 10 in points per game (23.8 - tied for 10th), rushing yards per game (127.8 - 8th) and time of possession (32:04 - 4th). Additionally, the offense committed just 10 turnovers (5 fumbles, 5 interceptions), which ranks tied for first in NFL history for the fewest turnovers in a season, also setting a franchise record.

In Roman’s first year with the 49ers, RB Frank Gore was named to his third career Pro Bowl and surpassed Hall of Famer Joe “The Jet” Perry as the franchise’s all-time leading rusher. QB Alex Smith flourished in Roman’s system, setting career highs in completions (273), passing yards (3,144) and quarterback rating (90.7). Smith also set the franchise record for fewest interceptions thrown in a season (5).

TE Vernon Davis grew in the offense throughout the season. He took his game to the next level in the playoffs, registering 10 receptions for 292 yards and four touchdowns in two games. Davis became just the fifth player in the Super Bowl era to register at least two receiving touchdowns in consecutive postseason games in the same season. T Joe Staley also flourished under Roman, as he was named Second-Team All-Pro and was selected as a starter in his first career Pro Bowl.

In what marks his 15th season coaching in the NFL, Roman has been a member of the coaching staffs of the Carolina Panthers (1995-2001), Houston Texans (2002-03) and Baltimore Ravens (2006-07). He also spent two seasons (2009-10) on Jim Harbaugh’s coaching staff at Stanford.

Roman joined the Cardinal in 2009 as the running game coordinator, with position responsibilities of tight ends and offensive tackles. In 2010, he kept those responsibilities, but also added the duties of associate coach and assistant head coach of the offense.

During his time at Stanford, the Cardinal posted a 20-6 record, which was the best over a two-year span in the University’s history. He mentored two Heisman runner-up candidates in QB Andrew Luck (2010) and RB Toby Gerhart (2009). Over those two seasons, the Cardinal allowed a total of 13 sacks on offense, which marked the fewest over that time span in the nation. Stanford allowed just seven sacks in 2009 and six sacks in 2010, ranking 2nd in the nation both years.

Roman oversaw a Cardinal offense in 2010 that ranked 9th nationally in points scored (40.3 points/game), 14th in total yards per game (472.5), 17th in rushing yards per game (213.8) and 1st in time of possession (34:34). Under his guidance, Stanford offense produced a school-record 524 points. Roman mentored a tight end trio of Coby Fleener, Konrad Reuland and Zach Ertz, who combined for a total of 833 receiving yards on 65 catches with 13 touchdowns.

A year prior, Roman’s sophisticated blocking schemes and knowledge of the running game were major factors in the Cardinal amassing a single-season school record of 2,837 yards on the ground in 2009. At season’s end, all five members of the offensive line garnered postseason honors, while Stanford’s tight ends combined to catch 38 passes for 557 yards and four touchdowns.

Prior to arriving at Stanford, Roman served as the assistant offensive line coach for a Baltimore Ravens team that captured the 2006 AFC North Division title with a regular season mark of 13-3. He helped the Ravens improve to 17th in the NFL in total offense and 2nd in fewest sacks allowed with 17, setting a franchise record. Baltimore also led the NFL in time of possession and set team records for completion percentage (62.6%), third down conversions (96), fourth-down percentage (72.7%) and fewest turnovers (23). The offensive line helped quarterback Steve McNair set a team record for pass completion percentage (63.0%) and most passes without an interception (162). In addition, left tackle Jonathan Ogden was voted to his 10th-straight Pro Bowl.

Prior to joining the staff in Baltimore, Roman enjoyed a four-year coaching stint with the Houston Texans, serving as the team’s tight ends (2002-03) and quarterbacks coach (2004-05). As tight ends coach, Roman tutored Billy Miller, who led the Texans with 91 receptions over two seasons. He also guided former 2002 NFL first round draft pick David Carr, who had his best season under Roman in 2004 when he passed for 3,531 yards and an 83.1 quarterback rating.

Roman launched his coaching career with the Carolina Panthers in 1995, the team’s inaugural season in the NFL, when he was named the strength and conditioning assistant/defensive quality control coach, while also working with the defensive backs and the linebackers. In 1996, the Panthers set a NFL record for most wins by an expansion team, as Carolina won the NFC West crown and advanced to the NFC Championship game. He then moved to the offensive side of the ball as Carolina’s offensive quality control coach for two seasons (1997-98) before assuming the role of offensive assistant for the 1999 and 2000 campaigns. As the team’s offensive assistant, he worked with both the run-and-pass game strategy and implementation, helping the Panthers finish 2nd in the NFL in passing offense and 5th in yards per rush. Roman worked as the team’s assistant offensive line coach in his final season with the Panthers in 2001.

A three-year letter-winner and two-year starting defensive lineman at John Carroll University from 1990-93, Roman earned All-Ohio Conference honorable mention honors following his senior season. He also helped the Blue Streaks capture a share of the OAC championship.

During his junior year at John Carroll, Roman participated in Project H.O.P.E. (Helping Others Through Physical Education) which aids the developmentally disabled in northeast Ohio.

A native of Ventnor, N.J. and a graduate of Holy Spirit High School, Greg and his wife, Dana, have three children, Connor, Gregory and Emily Grace.

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Still don't see what makes him a great choice to be HC. Plus we could post plenty of positive bios here

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961814]No, not common sense because I'm not a professional football executive and I'm not qualified to figure out the solution.[/quote]

What does that have to do with anything?

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John Carrol Univ. from 1990-93. I bet he knows London Fletcher. Not too many guys in the NFL from that school. Pretty impressive bio, to be sure.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961820]Still don't see what makes him a great choice to be HC. Plus we could post plenty of positive bios here[/quote]

Didn't you say that about Harbaugh? How did that turn out?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;961826]Didn't you say that about Harbaugh? How did that turn out?[/quote]

Yeah I guess since Harbaugh's been a good HC so far it must mean Roman will be one too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961822]What does that have to do with anything?[/quote]

My original point was that I don't think it is reasonable to think that a person should be expected to have all of the answers to a problem before he dares to express his opinion that there is a problem. That is all.

The thread is fine. Everybody have fun speculating.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961832]Yeah I guess since Harbaugh's been a good HC so far it must mean Roman will be one too.[/quote]

Andrew Luck sure benefited from him and RGIII would be a perfect fit. You watch, someone will hire him and i'll remind you about it.

Russ Grimm?
Perry Fewell?
What are everyones thoughts on these two guys? Just curious?