Adam Schefter this morning on Sports Fix
 

Said skins are still fighting cap penalty, and some other things about it.

I didnt hear it, did anyone?

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2012/11/01/schefter-says-redskins-best-positioned-in-the-nfc-east/]Schefter says Redskins best positioned in the NFC East[/url]

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WTF does he know...just another F...n Shanahan apologist, right?

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[quote=SmootSmack;959675][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2012/11/01/schefter-says-redskins-best-positioned-in-the-nfc-east/]Schefter says Redskins best positioned in the NFC East[/url][/quote]

Regardless, there are ways of creating cap money. Such as releasing under performers like DeAngelo Hall. Everyone is still talking about the 18 million $$$$ in cap space that was lost. So what. All they have to do is follow the fine blueprint of drafting like they've done for the past three offseasons under Mike Shanahan and the Redskins will be okay.

And....Mike Shanahan is not going anywhere.

Good read

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Gone next year:

Jamal Brown
Hall
Moss
Montgomery
Grossman
Rocca
Griffin CB
Chester

Rework contract:
Garçon
Wilson CB
Fletcher
Cofield

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;959683]Gone next year:

Jamal Brown
Hall
Moss
Montgomery
Grossman
Rocca
Griffin CB
Chester

Rework contract:
Garçon
Wilson CB
Fletcher
Cofield[/quote]

Why would Montgomery and Chester be gone? That's not likely.. Monty is coming off a pro bowl type season. There is no way they would let him go.

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Chester's not going anywhere, and I doubt Montgomery is either. Not sure Garcon would restructure his contract

Chester is good and I doubt hall is gone.

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[quote=Bucket;959690]Why would Montgomery and Chester be gone? That's not likely.. Monty is coming off a pro bowl type season. There is no way they would let him go.[/quote]

Ok maybe restructure.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959693]Chester is good and I doubt hall is gone.[/quote]

Hall's gone

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i seem to remember portis reworking his contract, did he? did he multiple times?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;959699]Hall's gone[/QUOTE]

They gotta replace him

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959706]They gotta replace him[/quote]

That should be easier than you think

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;959708]That should be easier than you think[/QUOTE]

Lol I hope

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In 2009 Halls contract was structuted to where he got his signing bonus money in 2010 instead of prorating it over years like most contracts. So releasing him in 2013 wouldn't be much of a cap hit. Like SS said...
Hall's gone.

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[quote=53Fan;959713]In 2009 Halls contract was structuted to where he got his signing bonus money in 2010 instead of prorating it over years like most contracts. So releasing him in 2013 wouldn't be much of a cap hit. Like SS said...
Hall's gone.[/quote]

I'll be doing cartwheels on that date :)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;959714]I'll be doing cartwheels on that date :)[/quote]

You and me both buddy! We can finally move on from this clown. I read an article about how talented he is but also how inconsistent he is supposedly because he plays his way and hasn't had a coach strong enough to get him to play the correct way. Whatever...he should'nt be our problem much longer.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;959680]Regardless, there are ways of creating cap money. Such as releasing under performers like DeAngelo Hall. Everyone is still talking about the 18 million $$$$ in cap space that was lost. So what. [B]All they have to do is follow the fine blueprint of drafting like they've done for the past three offseasons under Mike Shanahan and the Redskins will be okay[/B].

And....Mike Shanahan is not going anywhere.[/quote]

The problem with that, of course, is that the Skins don't have a first round draft pick until 2015.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;959714]I'll be doing cartwheels on that date :)[/quote]

I know I should hate Hall and everything, but when he flipped out on Sunday, in addition to the penalities, I saw a guy fired up. And that made him only one of eleven guys on that defense fired up. Sefishness and stupidity are qualities that you never want to see in one of your players, but there is one thing worse: apathy. I'm not going to accuse any individual players of being apathetic, but the defense as a unit sometimes comes across that way. Can't blame Hall for that, because if there's one thing he's not, it's apathetic.

But this aside, who do we replace him with? Following Sheffer's logic, the answers for the Skins lies in the draft. Unlikely the Skins will find any game-changing corners in the 3rd round, but I imagine they can find someone to match Hall's skill set.

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Derek Cox

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[quote=SmootSmack;959675][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2012/11/01/schefter-says-redskins-best-positioned-in-the-nfc-east/]Schefter says Redskins best positioned in the NFC East[/url][/quote]

Good reminder to keep an eye on the big picture. With RG3 our future is definitely bright. Just gotta fix the D.

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[quote=SmootSmack;959699]Hall's gone[/quote]


So will Fletcher if he continues to play like he has been. He'll be carrying a 5.5 base next year if I'm correct. They aren't going to pay him that type of money only to watch him drop even further.

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[quote=Mattyk;959746]Good reminder to keep an eye on the big picture. With RG3 our future is definitely bright. Just gotta fix the D.[/quote]

And buy a gallon of stick-um for use on game day.

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As for the 1st RND draft pick and the sustainablity of a franchise...here are the Skins 1st RND draft picks from 82 to 92. Also remember there was very limited FA during this time, so 1st RND picks were, if anything, more valuable.

1982 No first-round draft pick
1983 28 Darrell Green CB Texas A&I
1984 No first-round draft pick
1985 No first-round draft pick
1986 No first-round draft pick
1987 No first-round draft pick
1988 No first-round draft pick
1989 No first-round draft pick
1990 No first-round draft pick
1991 17 Bobby Wilson DT Michigan State
1992 4 Desmond Howard WR Michigan

If you look at the above with the way Allen and Shanny have drafted in terms of both adding picks during the draft and getting guys that can contribute - I think we will be fine without the two 1st rounders we gave up

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;959714]I'll be doing cartwheels on that date :)[/QUOTE]

Likewise. Where are all his fanboys now?

[QUOTE=hooskins;959767]Likewise. Where are all his fanboys now?[/QUOTE]

I'm a dhall fan not a huge one but let's ask a serious question. Who is better than him on our team right now? Exactly

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959768]I'm a dhall fan not a huge one but let's ask a serious question. Who is better than him on our team right now? Exactly[/quote]

Agreed. Skins have had waaaaaaay bigger holes to fill than his spot. Dont like the majority of his trash talking and antics but if i had been on as many losing teams as him id probably be a little chippy myself.

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[quote=Mattyk;959746]Good reminder to keep an eye on the big picture. With RG3 our future is definitely bright. Just gotta fix the D.[/quote]

Yes. What's harder, finding a franchise superstar QB or finding the pieces that will make the defense improve.

We've done the hardest part, the rest can be addressed.

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The question isn't who is better on our team right now than Hall. The question is could we use the cap space that cutting Hall would free up to replace him and make even more improvements.

Cutting him will save $8M in cap space next year. That can buy at least two starting caliber players. So the answer is a resounding yes.

Now you just have to determine if a CB will be on the market who is better than Hall (shouldn't be hard).

It's a no brainer, he's gone. I'd bet my house on it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959768]I'm a dhall fan not a huge one but let's ask a serious question. Who is better than him on our team right now? Exactly[/quote]


Wilson in our best CB by far. Can't say much about the rest of them though.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;959773]Wilson in our best CB by far. Can't say much about the rest of them though.[/QUOTE]

U think Josh Wilson is better than d hall? How? Wilson is toast every week lol. Hall isn't great but he's better than Wilson

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No way, Wilson has regressed some this year, but Hall has been getting absolutely owned.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;959775]No way, Wilson has regressed some this year, but Hall has been getting absolutely owned.[/QUOTE]

Both have hell everyone has on our defense

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959774]U think Josh Wilson is better than d hall? How? Wilson is toast every week lol. Hall isn't great but he's better than Wilson[/quote]

No, he's not. The numbers and stats show otherwise. You guys ahve just taken key plays and it's been burned into your head that he's bad. He's not. Many of the times you think it's him, it's been the safety.

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[quote=Schneed10;959772]The question isn't who is better on our team right now than Hall. The question is could we use the cap space that cutting Hall would free up to replace him and make even more improvements.

[B]Cutting him will save $8M in cap space next year[/B]. That can buy at least two starting caliber players. So the answer is a resounding yes.

Now you just have to determine if a CB will be on the market who is better than Hall (shouldn't be hard).

It's a no brainer, he's gone. I'd bet my house on it.[/quote]yes

that's a big piece of pie

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959768]I'm a dhall fan not a huge one but let's ask a serious question. Who is better than him on our team right now? Exactly[/quote]

this.

BUT, if releasing him will free up a bunch of money and we can find a guy to replace him go for it ... if not... stick him in nickel cuz its not like we're awesomely deep at corner... or in the secondary at all right now.

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[quote=Kope;959766]As for the 1st RND draft pick and the sustainablity of a franchise...here are the Skins 1st RND draft picks from 82 to 92. Also remember there was very limited FA during this time, so 1st RND picks were, if anything, more valuable.

1982 No first-round draft pick
1983 28 Darrell Green CB Texas A&I
1984 No first-round draft pick
1985 No first-round draft pick
1986 No first-round draft pick
1987 No first-round draft pick
1988 No first-round draft pick
1989 No first-round draft pick
1990 No first-round draft pick
1991 17 Bobby Wilson DT Michigan State
1992 4 Desmond Howard WR Michigan

If you look at the above with the way Allen and Shanny have drafted in terms of both adding picks during the draft and getting guys that can contribute - I think we will be fine without the two 1st rounders we gave up[/quote]

Wow. That's surprising.
There was that whole Plan B free agency thing that Beatherd and the Skins excelled at though; it was a way to build depth and character, and with Gibbs at the helm that was all the team really needed.

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[quote=NC_Skins;959780]No, he's not. The numbers and stats show otherwise. You guys ahve just taken key plays and it's been burned into your head that he's bad. He's not. Many of the times you think it's him, it's been the safety.[/quote]


same with hall bro, either way our secondary needs a brand new mix. we agree on that

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[quote=SmootSmack;959723]Derek Cox[/quote]

You think we'll get him in the offseason or what?