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[url=http://httr4life.com/fletcher-will-start-for-redskins-on-sunday-against-steelers/]Fletcher Will Start for Redskins on Sunday Against Steelers[/url]

Good news hopefully he is 100%

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I haven't read enough about his injury, but I have to worry a little bit about the whole "[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/10/25/london-fletcher-undergoing-tests-for-balance-problem/"]balance problem[/URL]" issue. We were just fined for improperly reporting RGIII's concussion, so I hope they didn't do anything goofy with reporting London's status that could potentially end up costing us even more.

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The doctors put London through something like six hours of testing for concussion like symptoms, and they found none. Smootsmack also mentioned vertigo as the issue, which I know drugs can treat but my buddy who had vertigo didn't get any relief from them. Thing is, London at 75% is probably better than Lorenzo or Robinson at 100%, or something like that :)

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I am a little worried Fletcher will be a liability against Heath Miller. I know he is the best option if he is healthy but if he's not really 100% I hope that they use him wisely.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;957176]I am a little worried Fletcher will be a liability against Heath Miller. I know he is the best option if he is healthy but if he's not really 100% I hope that they use him wisely.[/QUOTE]

Honestly we already give up 350 yards a game passing idt it really matters much. Our best hope is it's a rainy game and their speed at WR won't be a huge factor.
Either way glad 59 is playing!!

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He may start but he may not finish. I see him spending a lot of time on the sidelines. Don't want him to end up seeing birdies.

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Fletcher is a beast and I know that he's enough of a team guy to not put himself before the game. If he would truly be a problem, he would know better and sit out.

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praise be

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Ok listen guya i know your happy hes gonna play but note our D is almost dead last he will play injired and is also 37 . Why are you so happy when lorenzo been stepping up in his little short playing time and we also have a rookie ILB wouldnt u be more excited to see them?

I like london but just like cooley can we please let the gibbs era players go they are old and declined. Yes londons declined depite his stats any one can tell u he has.

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[quote=Deivybaby;957185]Ok listen guya i know your happy hes gonna play but note our D is almost dead last he will play injired and is also 37 . Why are you so happy when lorenzo been stepping up in his little short playing time and we also have a rookie ILB wouldnt u be more excited to see them?

I like london but just like cooley can we please let the gibbs era players go they are old and declined. Yes londons declined depite his stats any one can tell u he has.[/quote]

Here is an idea, stop being so damn negative about everything and watch London play out there. like it or not he is our best option.

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[quote=Deivybaby;957185]Ok listen guya i know your happy hes gonna play but note our D is almost dead last he will play injired and is also 37 . Why are you so happy when lorenzo been stepping up in his little short playing time and we also have a rookie ILB wouldnt u be more excited to see them?

I like london but just like cooley can we please let the gibbs era players go they are old and declined. Yes londons declined depite his stats any one can tell u he has.[/quote]

To Matty, JR, NC etc etc: this is what haterade looks like. This is unbridled pessimism.

I'm just disappointed in our coaching, on defense mostly, but doesn't that fall on Shanny some too because he forced this sillier-by-the-day 3-4 experiment and we're still doing it, w/o the personnel (especially on the d-line) to make it work? I would actually like to give Haslett the benefit of the doubt and say he just doesn't get the 3-4 and that's why his gameplan/adjustments have been so lacking. I'd like to think if we switched back to a 4-3 Haslett, having all his experience with it, would get us back to a top 10-15 D within a season. And I pretty much believe it's possible. I think we have talent on defense.

And I think we have pretty awesome talent on offense. And while we've made good of that talent I pretty much believe we haven't made the best of it. The running game is elite, and tomorrow will likely prove it again. But I think overall, and especially with pass play-calling and design, we're leaving a lot out on the field. The end story stats are elite, but the story in the middle is inconsistency and especially when it counts most i.e. we leave some points on the field and in ways that seem pretty redundant.

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I'd try and get Robinson in there on obvious passing downs and leave Fletch in there on run downs.

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Don't be surprised if London Fletcher ends up having 2 INTs and 18 tackles.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;957193]Don't be surprised if London Fletcher ends up having 2 INTs and 18 tackles.[/quote]

Yeah that wouldn't surprise me either.

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[B]He can play. Trust me, Im a doctor... [/B]

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[quote=The Goat;957190]To Matty, JR, NC etc etc: this is what haterade looks like. This is unbridled pessimism.

I'm just disappointed in our coaching, on defense mostly, but doesn't that fall on Shanny some too because he forced this sillier-by-the-day 3-4 experiment and we're still doing it, w/o the personnel (especially on the d-line) to make it work? I would actually like to give Haslett the benefit of the doubt and say he just doesn't get the 3-4 and that's why his gameplan/adjustments have been so lacking. I'd like to think if we switched back to a 4-3 Haslett, having all his experience with it, would get us back to a top 10-15 D within a season. And I pretty much believe it's possible. I think we have talent on defense.

And I think we have pretty awesome talent on offense. And while we've made good of that talent I pretty much believe we haven't made the best of it. The running game is elite, and tomorrow will likely prove it again. But I think overall, and especially with pass play-calling and design, we're leaving a lot out on the field. The end story stats are elite, but the story in the middle is inconsistency and especially when it counts most i.e. we leave some points on the field and in ways that seem pretty redundant.[/quote]

I personally think you overestimate the talent on Defense. I just dont see it with some of the people missing. Especially given our safeties, which I think are probably the worst in the league. I think its a fair amount different if we not only have T. Jackson and Meriweather (Meriweather isnt a huge upgrade, but still an upgrade), but also Orakpo and Carriker out makes the front seven not as effective in the pash rush. Having said that, I agree with the switch to 4-3 and would love Shanny to eat his ego on it and switch back, im not convinced that we jump up as much as you believe though.

As for offense, I think the system is hiding a weak offensive line, especially in the pass blocking. Kyle does get too cute at times, that I wont argue. But I think the system helps put up points that we wouldnt have otherwise. I believe a traditional NFL offense has RG3 running for his life in the passing game and makes the running game less effective. Over time, I actually hope we can transition to a more NFL type offense. But I dont think we could have done it this year. Yeah, they leave some points out there for sure, but they also get some points that they really shouldnt have gotten.

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[quote=skinsfan69;957191]I'd try and get Robinson in there on obvious passing downs and leave Fletch in there on run downs.[/quote]

I'd tend to do the same. From everything I heard from people at Redskin Park this week Fletch must have had an unbelievably miraculous recovery the past two days. I just hope we don't regret this down the stretch. I think if we won last week he may not be playing today.

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[quote=The Goat;957190]I'm just disappointed in our coaching, on defense mostly, but doesn't that fall on Shanny some too because he forced this sillier-by-the-day 3-4 experiment and we're still doing it, w/o the personnel (especially on the d-line) to make it work? I would actually like to give Haslett the benefit of the doubt and say he just doesn't get the 3-4 and that's why his gameplan/adjustments have been so lacking. [/quote]

Truthfully, this is one of my biggest issues with Shanny the head coach. Not because he wanted to switch to the 3-4, but because he brought in a coach who hadn't run that scheme in 11 years. Haslett didn't want to run the 3-4, and has been running the 4-3 his entire career since leaving Pittsburgh.

I'm still befuddled why a coach would want to bring in a person to run a scheme that he clearly doesn't want to run or hasn't ran in a decade. To Mike's defense, Haslett wasn't his first choice. I really hope he wasn't even his 3rd or 4th choice to be honest with you. We as fans can say..."why didn't he get X person to do this." Well, that X person has a choice in where he goes, Mike can't force them here. You may had have a situation where coordinator's looked at the talent and decided it wasn't going to go well and either stayed or moved on to another team with better talent.

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When I hear that he's playing, has balancing issues, for some reason this comes to mind...hopefully he doesn't move like Ash today.

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Why is the 3-4 being referred to as an experiment? It's not. It's out defense. We have personnel for a 3-4

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The 3-4 isn't the problem right now. It's the secondary and the lack of talent there. It doesn't matter what type of front you play when you can't cover. Plus injuries have hurt the front seven and their ability to bring pressure. Between Orakpo and Carriker they combined for 14.5 sacks last year. Tough to replace that type of production.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;957234][B]Why is the 3-4 being referred to as an experiment?[/B] It's not. It's out defense. We have personnel for a 3-4[/quote]

Because it's just one more axe to grind for the anti-Shanahan crowd.

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[quote=Mattyk;957236]Because it's just one more axe to grind for the anti-Shanahan crowd.[/quote]


This. If anything, the legit gripe would be the coach he brought in to run the 3-4 scheme, not blaming the scheme itself. If people are going to bitch, at least bitch about the correct issue...lol I would have liked to see his list of coaches he preferred over Haz. Even so, we still lacked the talent on this D and having 4 starters out is crucial. Not too many D's (or offenses) will hold up losing that many starters.

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Honestly, I don't see how this is good for either party unless he truly is 100%. I don't trust this medical staff, haven't since at least 2006. Fletcher apparently has played with this symptom(?) for weeks, according to him.

So perhaps that's why he's been playing so poorly. Perhaps poorly isn't the right word, but he definitely hasn't been his usual self. So if he isn't 100% on the field, not only is he still hurting himself, but he's also hurting the team.

I don't know why, and it just seems like this medical staff waits till something gets severe to look at it, rather than pouncing on it early to prevent problems. Now I know Fletcher doesn't like his information known or even to talk about it, so maybe he's partially at fault, but what about the other players?

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[quote=InsaneBoost;957246]Honestly, I don't see how this is good for either party unless he truly is 100%. I don't trust this medical staff, haven't since at least 2006. Fletcher apparently has played with this symptom(?) for weeks, according to him.

So perhaps that's why he's been playing so poorly. Perhaps poorly isn't the right word, but he definitely hasn't been his usual self. So if he isn't 100% on the field, not only is he still hurting himself, but he's also hurting the team.

I don't know why, and it just seems like this medical staff waits till something gets severe to look at it, rather than pouncing on it early to prevent problems. Now I know Fletcher doesn't like his information known or even to talk about it, so maybe he's partially at fault, but what about the other players?[/quote]

I can understand our discussions and differences about football stuff -- that's what this forum's all about. (Even though most of us would be hard pressed to distinguish a 3-4 from a 4-3 alignment on any given play)

But I will never understand these kinds of comments on medical matters and making judgments regarding the competence of our medical staff. Just stop it, you have no idea what you're talking about (unless you're an MD, and then you wouldn't make these comments...)

And just what does "what about the other players" mean?

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If you are referring to diagnosing injuries, rightfully so, I don't know what I'm talking about, but their track record on the other hand is another story.

Adam Archuleta, his back problems magically disappeared when we brought him here in 2006 right? Atogwe magically was 100% healthy when he came here? Even though the Rams had cut him after signing an extension because of injuries? Rogers eyes were good to go right? Landry's Achilles? Pierre Garcons injury which was supposed to keep him out a week max.

Those are just a couple of the MANY examples.

I can keep going. There are way too many things this team misses, some small, some big. Hell didn't Cooley just say he met with the doctor and when asked how his knee was he said "fine" and the doc told good and that he's cleared to play?

Medical staff IS a problem.

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[quote=The Goat;957190]To Matty, JR, NC etc etc: this is what haterade looks like. This is unbridled pessimism.

[B]I'm just disappointed in our coaching, on defense mostly, but doesn't that fall on Shanny some too because he forced this sillier-by-the-day 3-4 experiment and we're still doing it, w/o the personnel (especially on the d-line) to make it work? I would actually like to give Haslett the benefit of the doubt and say he just doesn't get the 3-4 and that's why his gameplan/adjustments have been so lacking. I'd like to think if we switched back to a 4-3 Haslett, having all his experience with it, would get us back to a top 10-15 D within a season. And I pretty much believe it's possible. I think we have talent on defense.[/B]

And I think we have pretty awesome talent on offense. And while we've made good of that talent I pretty much believe we haven't made the best of it. The running game is elite, and tomorrow will likely prove it again. But I think overall, and especially with pass play-calling and design, we're leaving a lot out on the field. The end story stats are elite, but the story in the middle is inconsistency and especially when it counts most i.e. we leave some points on the field and in ways that seem pretty redundant.[/quote]

Goat, its seems no matter what thread you post in your crush the coaching staff. How does this relate to Fletch starting vs the Steelers?

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[quote=SmootSmack;957204]I'd tend to do the same. From everything I heard from people at Redskin Park this week Fletch must have had an unbelievably miraculous recovery the past two days. I just hope we don't regret this down the stretch. [B]I think if we won last week he may not be playing today[/B].[/quote]

Why would that make a diff?

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It makes today all that more important. ^^

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[quote=44ever;957256]Why would that make a diff?[/quote]

4-3 against a non-conference opponent, maybe you rest him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;957261]4-3 against a non-conference opponent, maybe you rest him.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree there.

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I didn't see Fletch every play, but he didn't look himself from what I saw. Still better than anybody except maybe an "on fire" Riley we could put in his place.

Hope he can play well against Carolina, then enjoy the bye.

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From what I saw Fletcher wasn't 100% and/or his game just sharply declined. There was only one play he made today. All others were misses.

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We need to put in more of Keenan Robinson, he can play and is quick, he may be a rookie, but he is younger and faster and has potential unlike Fletcher now

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[quote=Mattyk;957235]The 3-4 isn't the problem right now. It's the secondary and the lack of talent there. It doesn't matter what type of front you play when you can't cover. Plus injuries have hurt the front seven and their ability to bring pressure. Between Orakpo and Carriker they combined for 14.5 sacks last year. Tough to replace that type of production.[/quote]

They combined for 16.5, last season.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;958410]They combined for 16.5, last season.[/quote]

Rak had 9
Carriker had 5.5

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;957234]Why is the 3-4 being referred to as an experiment? It's not. It's out defense. We have personnel for a 3-4[/quote]

No. Wrong. We don't have the personnel for the 3-4, which is why our pass rush is practically non existent. And if you say injuries killed our pass rush, then we never had the depth to maintain the 3-4, and that again is just proof we don't have the personnel for it.

But all of that is moot. Our starting squad wasn't, isn't and won't be best suited for the 3-4. We don't have a dominant NT on the roster who can eat up space and consistently collapse the pocket like the Ravens and Steelers do, or successfully shoot the gaps like Ratliff in Dallas. Carriker and Bowen are ok starters, but neither is dominant. And our LBs are not great at coverage, which is an absolute necessity in the 3-4.

But take that same group and switch it to a 4-3 and you're at least middle of the pack. Better run defense, and way better suited to put pressure on the QB. Cofield inside and the next best d tackle. Lots of rotation possible too.

Right now, we'd need pro-bowlers across the secondary to compensate for the near total lack of pass rush. Change the front 7 and the secondary will look average, instead of bottom of the league. But it requires better coaching too. On far too many occasions we see our secondary just flat out of position. Williams was on the Manning to Cruz TD. Other games our DBs are leaving a 10 yard cushion and giving up everything underneath.

With the exception of Carriker, every guy on defense is far better suited for a 4-3 scheme.

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[quote=Chico23231;957253]Goat, its seems no matter what thread you post in your crush the coaching staff. How does this relate to Fletch starting vs the Steelers?[/quote]

I was just trying to contrast that other post, but it didn't have much to do w/ Fletcher either lol.

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i think chris baker could be one half of the fat tubs we need at nose. haven't paid close attention, but has cofield lined up at end while baker is at nose?

we need another tub in the rotation for nt. not knocking cofield, just think he makes a better 3-4 end.

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[quote=Mattyk;958418]Rak had 9
Carriker had 5.5[/quote]

For some reason i confused Carriker with Kerrigan, something I said I would not do.