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Get ready to pour yourself a tall glass of Henne Jacksonville fans

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Poor Jags. First half they were beasting against the Raiders. Now MJD and Gabbert could be out for a long, long time.

Didn't think the Jags would miss Gabbert...but Henne looked awful

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If Andy and Vick are done in Philly, I think the Jags could be a landing spot for Vick. Someone who could energize the fanbase and sell tickets. Think it would be a good fit while prepping Geno Smith on the bench.

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[quote=SmootSmack;955938]Poor Jags. First half they were beasting against the Raiders. Now MJD and Gabbert could be out for a long, long time.

Didn't think the Jags would miss Gabbert...but Henne looked awful[/quote]

Cousins to the Jags for their 1st round pick??? LOL

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And the race to L.A. continues, who will get there first? The Jags or the Chargers?

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[quote=SmootSmack;955938]Poor Jags. First half they were beasting against the Raiders. Now MJD and Gabbert could be out for a long, long time.

Didn't think the Jags would miss Gabbert...but Henne looked awful[/quote]

Blame it on the Jags, blame it on the Henne.

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[quote=Ruhskins;955951]Blame it on the Jags, blame it on the Henne.[/quote]

Brilliant

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Love this soundbite

[YT]CsVBlwMQc-c[/yT]

Jags are terrible, 2-14 this year

Skins cut Ryan grant

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[quote=skinsfaninok;956032]Skins cut Ryan grant[/quote]

Do a search

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Any update at all about Haz being fired and maybe a possible DB change. Id like for us to win the division finally IDK about every one else but 12 years and counting for me.

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[quote=Chico23231;955941]If Andy and Vick are done in Philly, I think the Jags could be a landing spot for Vick. Someone who could energize the fanbase and sell tickets. Think it would be a good fit while prepping Geno Smith on the bench.[/quote]

Vick's days of a starter are all but over if he's benched in Philly.

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[QUOTE=Deivybaby;956040]Any update at all about Haz being fired and maybe a possible DB change. Id like for us to win the division finally IDK about every one else but 12 years and counting for me.[/QUOTE]

Barring multiple 40+ point games, Haslett is not getting fired midseason. How many f'ing times have you asked this same stupid question? 63 posts and I bet more than a small percentage are "When are we firing Haslett? Any update?" or some variation on the theme.

You are really a one-trick pony dude. We got it. You hate Haslett. Guess what - you, me and everyone else in Skins World better get used to giving up lots of yards/points threw the air. A change of coaching is NOT going to change that this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;956047]Barring multiple 40+ point games, Haslett is not getting fired midseason. How many f'ing times have you asked this same stupid question? 63 posts and I bet more than a small percentage are "When are we firing Haslett? Any update?" or some variation on the theme.

You are really a one-trick pony dude. We got it. You hate Haslett. Guess what - you, me and everyone else in Skins World better get used to giving up lots of yards/points threw the air. A change of coaching is NOT going to change that this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.[/quote]

Thats a bunch of crap. There are great coaches that can do a whole lot more with a lack of talent than Jim Haslett.

edit: I am not saying that one of those great coaches is available, and we probably are stuck with Haslett for the remainder of the season. To say that there isnt anybody that could do a better job than Jim Friggin Haslett with what we have is nonsense. That is what you are implying by saying regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;956024]Love this soundbite

[YT]CsVBlwMQc-c[/yT][/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=punch it in;956050]Thats a bunch of crap. There are great coaches that can do a whole lot more with a lack of talent than Jim Haslett.

edit: I am not saying that one of those great coaches is available, and we probably are stuck with Haslett for the remainder of the season. To say that there isnt anybody that could do a better job than Jim Friggin Haslett with what we have is nonsense. [B]That is what you are implying by saying regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there[/B].[/quote]

No. What I said was: "A change of coaching is NOT going to change [the points/yards] this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there."

I am implying nothing. I am expressly stating that, with the talent we have available, and the fact that we are six games into this season - [I]for this season[/I] - firing Haslett is not going to improve the D.

While I disagree with you, Devi and Goat about the degree, I don't disagree that there are likely better options at DC than Haslett - [I]after the season is over[/I]. He is an average D Coordinator and nothing special. Not horrific, but nothing to write home about either.

Haslett has crap for a defensive backfield and, with that as a base, has made some good decisions and done some good work but has also made crappy decisions and done crappy work. On the whole he has not overcome the lack of talent through innovative coaching - not sure anyone but a handful of folks could. Certainly, no one is going to step in and magically improve our D this year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;955949]And the race to L.A. continues, who will get there first? The Jags or the Chargers?[/quote]

Chargers.

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Matt Barkley, starting Jaguars QB in 2013.

Personally, I thought Henne would beat Gabbert out anyway in camp. They had a close battle for the job but again, the big-salaried rookie won out because of how much the team has invested/wasted on him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;955952]Brilliant[/quote]

I was wondering how many people would get that. LOL.

So SS, I heard a conspiracy theory about the Chargers wanting to move to LA. Have you heard anything or do you have an educated guess?

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Conspiracy theory?

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[quote=SmootSmack;956092]Conspiracy theory?[/quote]

It was an e-mail to one of the ESPN Podcasts. The person sending the e-mail was saying that the Chargers are keeping the likes of Norv Turner and AJ Smith around to basically sabotage the team (and that crazy "Take a Chill Pill" article on their site) and alienate the fans so they can get out of SD and move to LA.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;956064]No. What I said was: "A change of coaching is NOT going to change [the points/yards] this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there."

I am implying nothing. I am expressly stating that, with the talent we have available, and the fact that we are six games into this season - [I]for this season[/I] - firing Haslett is not going to improve the D.

While I disagree with you, Devi and Goat about the degree, I don't disagree that there are likely better options at DC than Haslett - [I]after the season is over[/I]. He is an average D Coordinator and nothing special. Not horrific, but nothing to write home about either.

Haslett has crap for a defensive backfield and, with that as a base, has made some good decisions and done some good work but has also made crappy decisions and done crappy work. On the whole he has not overcome the lack of talent through innovative coaching - not sure anyone but a handful of folks could. Certainly, no one is going to step in and magically improve our D this year.[/quote]

I also said that we are likely stuck with Haslett for the rest of the year. I understand that there arent alot of great football minds sitting at home waiting for their phones to ring. Im simply saying that although we have a true cluster **** for a secondary rite now - having Jim Haslett direct that cluster **** is just adding cluster to the ****. You said the other day that you think Haslett is making lemonade with lemons. I agree he has lemons. I dont agree that what he is making tastes anything like lemonade.

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[quote=Ruhskins;956093]It was an e-mail to one of the ESPN Podcasts. The person sending the e-mail was saying that the Chargers are keeping the likes of Norv Turner and AJ Smith around to basically sabotage the team (and that crazy "Take a Chill Pill" article on their site) and alienate the fans so they can get out of SD and move to LA.[/quote]

Interesting theory. Don't think I agree though

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[quote=Ruhskins;956093]It was an e-mail to one of the ESPN Podcasts. The person sending the e-mail was saying that the Chargers are keeping the likes of Norv Turner and AJ Smith around to basically sabotage the team (and that crazy "Take a Chill Pill" article on their site) and alienate the fans so they can get out of SD and move to LA.[/quote]



The problem with that is, who would their fans be once they moved to LA? Most fans in LA are more than likely Oakland, 49ers, or Charger fans.(minus any other teams) So alienating your current fan base would be self suicide in terms of profits and future income. As it is, I'm sure some fans may stop pulling for the Chargers even if they do decide to move so it would behoove them to do all they could to keep the fans they can. LA certainly isn't going to provide them with fans, history has shown that it is not a good city for NFL teams.

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[quote=NC_Skins;956107]The problem with that is, who would their fans be once they moved to LA? Most fans in LA are more than likely Oakland, 49ers, or Charger fans.(minus any other teams) So alienating your current fan base would be self suicide in terms of profits and future income. As it is, I'm sure some fans may stop pulling for the Chargers even if they do decide to move so it would behoove them to do all they could to keep the fans they can. LA certainly isn't going to provide them with fans, [B]history has shown that it is not a good city for NFL teams.[/B][/quote]

Yet still people are enamored with the idea of a team in LA because it is a big market.

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its not about fans or football. the move to LA is all bout scrilla

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[quote=punch it in;956098]I also said that we are likely stuck with Haslett for the rest of the year. I understand that there arent alot of great football minds sitting at home waiting for their phones to ring. Im simply saying that although we have a true cluster **** for a secondary rite now - having Jim Haslett direct that cluster **** is just adding cluster to the ****. You said the other day that you think Haslett is making lemonade with lemons. I agree he has lemons. [B] I dont agree that what he is making tastes anything like lemonade[/B].[/quote]

And you have made that point continually throughout every discussion on the Warpath. I disagree and but am not going to go through a play by play and discuss why. Their are ample talking heads citing to both sides of the issue. To me, it is clear that reasonable, knowledgeable people disagree on the issue. Fine. To me as a non-film guy, who isn't in on the coaching discussions, I just don't see him as the consumate evil and don't believe a change will [I]necessarily[/I] improve the defense. It could make it worse - not sure how, but not completely discarding that possibility either.

Just tired of hearing the same thing, over and over and over and over ...

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;956113]And you have made that point continually throughout every discussion on the Warpath. I disagree and but am not going to go through a play by play and discuss why. Their are ample talking heads citing to both sides of the issue. To me, it is clear that reasonable, knowledgeable people disagree on the issue. Fine. To me as a non-film guy, who isn't in on the coaching discussions, I just don't see him as the consumate evil and don't believe a change will [I]necessarily[/I] improve the defense. It could make it worse - not sure how, but not completely discarding that possibility either.

Just tired of hearing the same thing, over and over and over and over ...[/QUOTE]

Actually two threads. I responded to your mentioning of Haslett on this particular thread. Minus the gameday threads im not one to start bashing anything out of the blue including Haslett because it is what it is probably for the remainder of the season. Ive actually defended the FO several times by saying that we couldnt adress every issue on this team in three years because of what this regime inherited. I believe the secondary will be the primary concern this off season. I also believe Haz is in the midst of his last coaching job of his lack luster nfl career.


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[quote=punch it in;956119]Actually two threads. I responded to your mentioning of Haslett on this particular thread. Minus the gameday threads im not one to start bashing anything out of the blue including Haslett because it is what it is probably for the remainder of the season. Ive actually defended the FO several times by saying that we couldnt adress every issue on this team in three years because of what this regime inherited. I believe the secondary will be the primary concern this off season. I also believe Haz is in the midst of his last coaching job of his lack luster nfl career. [/quote]

Okay. I also believe the secondary will be the primary issue. I disagree that this is Haslett's last stop. I agree he probably will not get another DC gig anytime soon, but he may. If Norv can keep getting rehired as a head coach, not sure why a lackluster career precludes Haslett's rehire - and I agree his career has been lack luster. It also, however, has not been horrible. He has had some success in some places.

Again, it seems to me that there have been a couple of games where Haslett has taken the lemons and created lemonade (Minnesota jumps to mind). On top of that, but for the last play, this D was doing well in holding NYG within reach. As I pointed out, the vaunted SF defense gave up 26 points to the Giants with one fewer turnover by the SF offense. M. Williams starts his turn earlier and doesn't stand around watching Cruz sprint towards him and maybe we are having a different discussion.

So we are clear, I think Haslett has made mistakes, several.

Is it your opinion that, particularly with the backfield he has done nothing to enhance the D's chances to succeed?

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[quote=Ruhskins;956093]It was an e-mail to one of the ESPN Podcasts. The person sending the e-mail was saying that the Chargers are keeping the likes of Norv Turner and AJ Smith around to basically sabotage the team (and that crazy "Take a Chill Pill" article on their site) and alienate the fans so they can get out of SD and move to LA.[/quote]

If they want to alienate the fans, they should hire Jim Zorn as head coach.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;956128]Okay. I also believe the secondary will be the primary issue. I disagree that this is Haslett's last stop. I agree he probably will not get another DC gig anytime soon, but he may. If Norv can keep getting rehired as a head coach, not sure why a lackluster career precludes Haslett's rehire - and I agree his career has been lack luster. It also, however, has not been horrible. He has had some success in some places.

Again, it seems to me that there have been a couple of games where Haslett has taken the lemons and created lemonade (Minnesota jumps to mind). [B]On top of that, but for the last play, this D was doing well in holding NYG within reach.[/B] As I pointed out, the vaunted SF defense gave up 26 points to the Giants with one fewer turnover by the SF offense. M. Williams starts his turn earlier and doesn't stand around watching Cruz sprint towards him and maybe we are having a different discussion.

So we are clear, I think Haslett has made mistakes, several.

Is it your opinion that, particularly with the backfield he has done nothing to enhance the D's chances to succeed?[/quote]

I think this has been completely lost (understandably so) in the post NYG/Skins game discussions.

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[quote=Monkeydad;956129]If they want to alienate the fans, they should hire Jim Zorn as head coach.[/quote]

They should show Cerrato on their jumbotron. If those freaky eyes staring at you all game long doesnt make you walk out of the stadium, then SD will never be able to get rid of their fans.

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[quote=Skinzman;956135]They should show Cerrato on their jumbotron. If those freaky eyes staring at you all game long doesnt make you walk out of the stadium, then SD will never be able to get rid of their fans.[/quote]

AJ Smith has done his best Vinny Cerrato impression in my opinion. Although I don't think anyone could f up as much as Vinny.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;956047]Barring multiple 40+ point games, Haslett is not getting fired midseason. How many f'ing times have you asked this same stupid question? 63 posts and I bet more than a small percentage are "When are we firing Haslett? Any update?" or some variation on the theme.

You are really a one-trick pony dude. We got it. You hate Haslett. Guess what - you, me and everyone else in Skins World better get used to giving up lots of yards/points threw the air. A change of coaching is NOT going to change that this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.[/quote]

No, just no. Our front seven (present, active roster) has more than enough talent over compensate for the weak safety play. Albeit, probably in a 4-3 base formation.

Like a few others have noted, the combo of Rob Jackson and Zo is pretty good. I've seen a few whifs but overall these guys are both fighting to start, and that's just what you wanna see. Jenkins is a drop from Carriker, but regardless our d line isn't anything special because we don't have a monster NT. Switch to a 4-3 though and I think we would benefit from increased pressure on the QB, which would help the safety group.

I say safety group because overall I'm satisfied with our DBs.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;956128]Okay. I also believe the secondary will be the primary issue. I disagree that this is Haslett's last stop. I agree he probably will not get another DC gig anytime soon, but he may. If Norv can keep getting rehired as a head coach, not sure why a lackluster career precludes Haslett's rehire - and I agree his career has been lack luster. It also, however, has not been horrible. He has had some success in some places.

Again, it seems to me that there have been a couple of games where Haslett has taken the lemons and created lemonade (Minnesota jumps to mind). On top of that, but for the last play, this D was doing well in holding NYG within reach. As I pointed out, the vaunted SF defense gave up 26 points to the Giants with one fewer turnover by the SF offense. M. Williams starts his turn earlier and doesn't stand around watching Cruz sprint towards him and maybe we are having a different discussion.

So we are clear, I think Haslett has made mistakes, several.

Is it your opinion that, particularly with the backfield he has done nothing to enhance the D's chances to succeed?[/QUOTE]

Norv's employment is as big a mystery as Hasletts to me.
As for the Vikings game our D played well for three quarters. Although Ponder has been very off as of late so not sure how impressed I am with that. As for the niners giving up more points than the Redskins I hear you and I want to believe there is something there but I can't. If you start playing connect the dots like that in sports you will discover that the Redskins are actually the best team in the NFL over the last twenty yeArs because we have played the Patriots better than they have played the Giants who lost to the Eagles who barely beat the Lions etc etc etc.
As per your question on Haslett - No I cannot say he enhances anything. I mean yes he has lemons, but the stats say they are playing like lemons. So im not sure where I see enhancement unless Im looking at the first three quarters against the Vikings and Christian Ponder who are on a downswing rite now. If I look at the passrush - well it was poor for the tiny window with Rak and I cant say Carriker is such an impactful player. He is good but not great. Either way I see no enhancement of the pass rush. Than there is our run D. Well if you read between those numbers we are ranked a little high simply because teams dont run the ball on us. Why would they? Our yards per carry is not great, and so that tells me when they run on us they are successful. The Falcons game was our best game against the run , but that being said we have a much more capable front seven than secondary even without Rak and Carriker so we should be able to handle the run due to personell anyway?


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Tough loss for the Cowgirls, a break for us when we play them

[url=http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8543999/sources-sean-lee-dallas-cowboys-need-season-ending-toe-surgery]Sources -- Sean Lee of Dallas Cowboys may need season ending toe surgery - ESPN Dallas[/url]

[QUOTE=Skinzman;956135]They should show Cerrato on their jumbotron. If those freaky eyes staring at you all game long doesnt make you walk out of the stadium, then SD will never be able to get rid of their fans.[/QUOTE]

Lololololol


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Anyone see E60? Cortland Finnegan is completely different off the field

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[quote=Ruhskins;956142]AJ Smith has done his best Vinny Cerrato impression in my opinion. Although I don't think anyone could f up as much as Vinny.[/quote]

While Vinny Cerrato had a job, his team had more playoff wins than Jerry Jones in that span.

:D