The Legitimacy of Super Bowls 17 & 22
 

Being from Washington D.C. and living in NYC, a lot of NY Giants fans like to claim that the Redskins victories over the Miami Dolphins and the Denver Broncos in Super Bowls 17 and 22 are not legit simply because they happened only because NFL players strikes shortened those seasons. What they don't realize is that that 1982 team was good enough to not only amass the most points in a season in NFL history the next season and return to the Super Bowl, had it won it would have been considered the greatest team off all time.

As far as the 1987 team, they had made it to the NFC championship game and lost against the NYG the previous year. To be good enough to go that far and then go back the next season not only reveals how good a team the 1987 team was, but like the 1982 team, proves it's legitimacy.

The Giants fans are drunk with their chest poked out only because they've won 2 Super Bowls in the past 5 years. Their arrogance blinds them to reality, I often tell them. But their day is coming when under Coach Coughlin they will endure a miserable losing season.

I seek the true insight of Redskins Nation on this topic. Thoughts?

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Giants fans can suck the lint outa my navel.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;953778]Giants fans can suck the lint outa my navel.[/quote]always figured you for a plastic man. you into fabrics?

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A win is a win. Enough said.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;953778]Giants fans can suck the lint outa my navel.[/quote]

Me and Alvin Walton agree on this subject.

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The fact that the Redskins won those Super Bowls and NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle presented Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke with those Super Bowl trophies in 1982 and in 1987, proves that those wins were in fact legitimate.

Lmao ok who cares? So last year don't count the giants sb

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^
Giants fans like to talk a lot of trash. If you tell them that Eli Manning is not an elite NFL QB, then they get angry about it.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;953808]^
Giants fans like to talk a lot of trash. If you tell them that Eli Manning is not an elite NFL QB, then they get angry about it.[/quote]

ehhh he might not be elite, but he's great. Him and Roethlisbeger to me are in the same category...great QB surround by good talent who are clutch. They get the job done period. Cant ask for much more.

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[quote=Chico23231;953810]ehhh he might not be elite, but he's great. Him and Roethlisbeger to me are in the same category...great QB surround by good talent who are clutch. They get the job done period. Cant ask for much more.[/quote]

Eli Manning has a lowly 82.6 career QB rating. He has won 2 Super Bowls, but his statistics are not on par with the better quarterbacks in the NFL. Ben Roethlisberger has a 92.7 career QB rating and has also won 2 Super Bowls. Phillip Rivers, who also was drafted in the same draft and the same round as the two mentioned QBs, has a 95.0 career QB rating.

Eli Manning is very good. I won't say that he isn't. But he isn't elite or great. But I don't consider elite or great as going up against a 32nd ranked defense in the Super Bowl and coming from behind to win it.

If it was so easy to win those years why didn't any one else win it? Plus didn't the Giants win one in a strike year?

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[quote=mredskins;953818]If it was so easy to win those years why didn't any one else win it? Plus didn't the Giants win one in a strike year?[/quote]

I don't recall any strike years before 1982 or after 1987. The Giants won it all in 1986 and in 1990. If Norwood makes that FG in Super Bowl 25 then the Giants have 3 SB trophies instead of 4.

As far as winning Super Bowls in the strike years are concerned, there were 28 teams in the NFL during that era. Every team is a potential candidate to win the Super Bowl until they are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention whether that elimination takes place in the regular season or the post season. It just so happened that the Redskins were the last team standing after those seasons were over. That has nothing to do with the amount of games played. It has more to do with qualification. And the Redskins were qualified to win those Super Bowls those seasons.

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Super bowl 17 playoff structure was a 16 team tournament NO BYES.

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SB 17 & 22 are MORE legitimate because of the strikes. It is a testament to great coaching and a great organization to win with the level playing field of replacement players....and the Skins never had a player cross the picket line. In 1987 they were the ONLY team with no players to cross. So NYG had some regular players, while the Skins were all replacements, and the Skins still prevailed.

BS argument by NYG fans who aren't the brightest anyway.

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Skins won games with scabs and regular players, even upsetting the Dallas Cowboys fielding 7 of their best players vs none for Washington. Joe Gibbs greatness and coaching, Bobby Beathard providing the talent, was what won those SB's, strike or no strike.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;953822]I don't recall any strike years before 1982 or after 1987. The Giants won it all in 1986 and in 1990. If Norwood makes that FG in Super Bowl 25 then the Giants have 3 SB trophies instead of 4.

As far as winning Super Bowls in the strike years are concerned, there were 28 teams in the NFL during that era. Every team is a potential candidate to win the Super Bowl until they are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention whether that elimination takes place in the regular season or the post season. It just so happened that the Redskins were the last team standing after those seasons were over. That has nothing to do with the amount of games played. It has more to do with qualification. And the Redskins were qualified to win those Super Bowls those seasons.[/quote]

I disagree, those Giants teams had to beat the 49ers to get to the SB, they almost killed Joe Montana in 1986 and won in SF in 1990 when Lawrence Taylor caused and recovered the Roger Craig fumble. Bill Parcell's had Bill Walsh's number. To be honest with you, I despised the 49ers (still do) so much that I was happy for the G-men. Whether you like them or not you have to give them credit.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-1987-replacement-star-tony-robinson-just-happy-to-be-out-of-jail/2012/10/18/a50d688e-17ce-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html]Redskins 1987 replacement star Tony Robinson just happy to be out of jail - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;953834]I disagree, those Giants teams had to beat the 49ers to get to the SB, they almost killed Joe Montana in 1986 and won in SF in 1990 when Lawrence Taylor caused and recovered the Roger Craig fumble. Bill Parcell's had Bill Walsh's number. To be honest with you, I despised the 49ers (still do) so much that I was happy for the G-men. Whether you like them or not you have to give them credit.[/quote]

I don't know which part of my post you were quoting. I didn't say that the 1990 NY Giants were a bad team. They were very decent. They won SB 25 by only a point. Norwood makes that last second FG and Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas have their SB ring.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;953840]I don't know which part of my post you were quoting. I didn't say that the 1990 NY Giants were a bad team. They were very decent. They won SB 25 by only a point. Norwood makes that last second FG and Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas have their SB ring.[/quote]

1986 team. They kicked the 49ers ass and Redskins 17-0, granted it was Jay Schroeder at the helm for the Redskins. Even if it was wide right in 1990, they won the SB and earned the right to be there by beating some tough opponents.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;953843]1986 team. They kicked the 49ers ass and Redskins 17-0, granted it was Jay Schroeder at the helm for the Redskins. Even if it was wide right in 1990, they won the SB and earned the right to be there by beating some tough opponents.[/quote]

There was no stopping that 1986 Giants team. They were 14-2 that year. They had an excellent quarterback, a very good running back and most of all, a dominant 3-4 defense with Bill Bellichick as the coordinator. They were similar to the 1985 Chicago Bears.

Every team that lost the NFC championship game from 1983-1986 made it to the SB the following year. 49ers, Bears, Giants, Redskins.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;953772]Being from Washington D.C. and living in NYC, a lot of NY Giants fans like to claim that the Redskins victories over the Miami Dolphins and the Denver Broncos in Super Bowls 17 and 22 are not legit simply because they happened only because NFL players strikes shortened those seasons. What they don't realize is that that 1982 team was good enough to not only amass the most points in a season in NFL history the next season and return to the Super Bowl, had it won it would have been considered the greatest team off all time.

As far as the 1987 team, they had made it to the NFC championship game and lost against the NYG the previous year. To be good enough to go that far and then go back the next season not only reveals how good a team the 1987 team was, but like the 1982 team, proves it's legitimacy.

The Giants fans are drunk with their chest poked out only because they've won 2 Super Bowls in the past 5 years. Their arrogance blinds them to reality, I often tell them. But their day is coming when under Coach Coughlin they will endure a miserable losing season.

I seek the true insight of Redskins Nation on this topic. Thoughts?[/quote]

LOL....ok,

1) Giant fans don't really care about super bowl ,17 and 22.

2) Eli, maybe he isn't elite ,eli has 2 rings,eli has 2 MVP trophies....and Eli will be in the HOF,like it or not.:goodjob:

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[quote=Giantone;953856]LOL....ok,

1) Giant fans don't really care about super bowl ,17 and 22.

2) Eli, maybe he isn't elite ,eli has 2 rings,eli has 2 MVP trophies....and Eli will be in the HOF,like it or not.:goodjob:[/quote]

Firstly, I wouldn't have mentioned this topic unless it were true. Giants fans in NYC are quick to say that there are asterisks marked by the Redskins two Super Bowl wins in the 1980s. They are certainly quick to point that out. I've been living in New York City for seven years and when the topic is discussed about great Super Bowl teams, NY Midgets fans are fast to bring that up and they are the only fans to make mention of it. A strike season doesn't matter. When a team wins the Super Bowl and the NFL commissioner hands the organization the trophy, that alone makes it legit. It's similar to a President being sworn into office.

Eli Manning's career isn't over yet. Two Super Bowl MVPs doesn't guarantee that he'll enter the HOF. He has a long ways to go.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;953839][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-1987-replacement-star-tony-robinson-just-happy-to-be-out-of-jail/2012/10/18/a50d688e-17ce-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html]Redskins 1987 replacement star Tony Robinson just happy to be out of jail - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

IMO they should have gotten SB rings.

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I dont know why they wouldnt be considered legit. The Redskins used all scabs, most teams had a fair amount of their players crossing the picket lines. The Skins had none cross it. If anything, it shows that Joe Gibbs out coached the NFL by a very wide margin since most teams still had NFL talent on the roster during those scab games. He went 3-0 with players off the street (or out of Jail in Robinsons case).

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I don't question any team's NFL championship(s). The NFL landscape may change from season to season but the mission remains the same. Everybody knows that.

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Well if it was that easy why didn't the Giants when the SB those years.

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Ravens D :spank: to Kerry Collins.

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[quote=firstdown;953883]Well if it was that easy why didn't the Giants when the SB those years.[/quote]

Basically that is the best defense to anyone who lessens those SB's. After you say that the point is moot.

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[quote=Giantone;953856]LOL....ok,

[B]1) Giant fans don't really care about super bowl ,17 and 22.
[/B]
2) Eli, maybe he isn't elite ,eli has 2 rings,eli has 2 MVP trophies....and Eli will be in the HOF,like it or not.:goodjob:[/quote]
Yet some care enough to post on a Redskin's fan board. :doh:

[QUOTE=Giantone;953856]LOL....ok,

1) Giant fans don't really care about super bowl ,17 and 22.

2) Eli, maybe he isn't elite ,eli has 2 rings,eli has 2 MVP trophies....and Eli will be in the HOF,like it or not.:goodjob:[/QUOTE]

He's a top 5 QB in the NFL today no doubt

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Then we'll counter with the Giants SB 25 win is not legitimate because Scott Norwood shanked a short FG. The Bills should have won and he would have made that kick 9/10 times.

Idiots.

Did they watch SB 22? We dominated the best team in the AFC. If we had to play a few more games that year, we still would have beaten the league.

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derrrrrrrrr who cares?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;953860]Firstly, I wouldn't have mentioned this topic unless it were true. Giants fans in NYC are quick to say that there are asterisks marked by the Redskins two Super Bowl wins in the 1980s. They are certainly quick to point that out. I've been living in New York City for seven years and when the topic is discussed about great Super Bowl teams, NY Midgets fans are fast to bring that up and they are the only fans to make mention of it. A strike season doesn't matter. When a team wins the Super Bowl and the NFL commissioner hands the organization the trophy, that alone makes it legit. It's similar to a President being sworn into office.

Eli Manning's career isn't over yet. Two Super Bowl MVPs doesn't guarantee that he'll enter the HOF. He has a long ways to go.[/quote]
Pretty sure they do it to piss you off.Pretty sure I know a few Giant fans also, I'm telling you they don't care.
...........and keep telling yourself that stuff about Eli.

Yeah I agree with Giantone on this, and yes Eli will be a HOFer

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[quote=Meks;953893]derrrrrrrrr who cares?[/quote]


.......this!

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Since the Giants were swept by the Skins last year I dont think their SB win was legit.
(wait....did I just dis the Skins?)

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i would point out that their last 3 super bowl victories are illegitimate because they won them by a total combined 8 pts

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;953889]He's a top 5 QB in the NFL today no doubt[/QUOTE]

Rogers, Ryan, Brady, RG3, payton

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[quote=VegasSkinsFan;954157]Rogers, Ryan, Brady, RG3, payton[/quote]


......keep drinking the cool aid.

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I wonder if Archie knew his wifes uterus was going to be a quarterback factory.