What about replacing Patrick Johnson
 

Didn't see this posted anywhere else so...

I suppose we are going to look at replacing Patrick with a FA WR, but anyone think it would be worth using our 5th rounder on a WR?

I don't think he needs replacing. I think there are enough receivers on the roster - aside from Laveraneous and Gardner - there are McCants - at least for now- Russell, Jacobs, Cloman....

Maybe try out some rookie FAs. I don't think we need to go shopping for a receiver.

Yeah I'd like to see more of Jacobs, Cloman, Russell and Richmond (In that order.) Let him go! I definitly hope we keep McCants around.

Kind of what I thought. I hope Jacobs and Russell start doing something this year. IF McCants goes too, then it's going to be important for them to step up.

I agree... we have bodies as WR but need them in other places.

I also agree. We still haven't had a chance to get a good look at Russell, Jacobs, or Cloman. If you really think about it, our WR's are all still very young, so we should be alright in that position. I heard Russell has a lot potential and Cloman showed that he can play last season during the preseason. I think we should worry about our D-line that still needs maybe 1 more pass rusher and a run stopping d-tackle. We have good linebackers, decent corners, and if we draft S.Taylor our secondary will be among the top 10 in the NFC.

I've quickly replaced Johnson with Cloman on my Madden roster. I had to create Cloman, as he didn't exist in Madden. I realize Russell is still around, but frankly, from what little I've seen of both receivers (mostly during training camp and preseason games), Cloman seems like a far better all-around player, and would seem to have a better shot at making the roster. Whoever winds up as that 4th/5th receiver is going to have to play a lot of special teams, and Cloman has shown he can do that. Plus, the guy made some amazing catches in training camp and the preseason, and I love his attitude. I'll be interested to see how he does in NFL Europe this year.

I agree joecrisp and I think the only reason he wasn't on the roster instead of Russel was because spurrier had used a 3rd rounder i beleive to draft russel and wanted to see if he could produce now that he was healthy and from what he showed, Russel has speed but hands like bricks. I don't know if anyone here has seen the movie Unneccesary Roughness or not but Russel reminds me kinda of the receiver in that movie.

[QUOTE=AnonEmouse]Didn't see this posted anywhere else so...

I suppose we are going to look at replacing Patrick with a FA WR, but anyone think it would be worth using our 5th rounder on a WR?[/QUOTE]

He could be replaced with a statue as far as Im concerned.

A sprinting statue? He was a quick receiver, I think he'll do ok in Tampa. Brad Johnson throws tiny passes and will allow him to use his feet to make yards.

[QUOTE=Daseal]A sprinting statue? He was a quick receiver, I think he'll do ok in Tampa. Brad Johnson throws tiny passes and will allow him to use his feet to make yards.[/QUOTE]

Didn't he sign with the Bengals, not the Bucs?

Correct. It will be interesting if he helps or hinders Palmer.

He will be the #3 at best their right? Behind Johnson and Warrick. I dont think he wil really make an impact thier, just be a solid ST guy.

Patrick Johnson is not a bad football player nor is he an overpaid fraud. But he is also not a guy who is critical to a team - either by his presence or his absence.

If "finding a replacement for Patrick Johnson" is the single biggest challenge and obstacle faced by the coaching staff and the team this year, they will be a cinch to:

1. Go 16-0 in the regular season,

2. Win the Super Bowl and

3. Cover the spread every weekend.

Curmudgeon, how was Vegas?

Vegas was GREAT.

If I can figure out where the command line to start a new thread disappeared to, I'll post relevant future Super Bowl odds and comments from one sports book manager.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]He will be the #3 at best their right? Behind Johnson and Warrick. I dont think he wil really make an impact thier, just be a solid ST guy.[/QUOTE]
He will probably be competing with Kelley Washington, last year's draft pick, for the #3 spot. Washington caught 22 passes for 299 yards and 4 TDs in his rooke season last year, and he's supposed to be pretty talented, so Johnson may be #4.

The 1 thing that will alway's stick out in my mind about PJ is when he ran out of bounds on that kick return, I forget what team we were playing but all he had to beat was the kicker and he had him beat, and for what ever reason he ran out of bound's, as if he just decieded to quit on that play, he would have had a kick return for a TD and it was like he didn't care, I think we will be better off without him, let a guy with some heart get some playing time.

Patrick Johnson was the one who fumbled a punt at the end against the Dolphins right? Imagine if he doesn't fumble, Skins win, they run off a string of vcitories, Spurrier stays, Gibbs is still hanging out in ATL with Arthur Blank....hell, we should give PJ a raise, that might turn out to be the best fumble in recent Redskins history :httr:

I agree. I don't think that PJ was an asset to the team at all, and getting rid of him wouldn't change much. I do think though that we NEED McCants because he is such a good 3rd or 4th reciever. He's big, athletic, and incredibly clutch. He's so extremely reliable in the endzone, which is important. I alo think we shouldn't waste our draft pick on a wide reciever, or sean taylor for that matter, but instead on Kenechi Udezi, the DE from USC. He will help us out immediatly in pass rush, and he shows a lot of potential. He is a quick and easy way to upgrade the D-Line.

When I posed the question, it was more of a 'we have Gardner, Coles, Jacobs as 1, 2 & 3 (depending on McCants), so do we replace Johnson via draft or FA?' question, than it was about worrying about his departure.

IMHO if we have a talented WR available when we pick in the 5th, someone who can be a solid backup at least, then we may be able to lose McCants and use the spare 5th for another need, rather than spending a lot of money (a la B Johnson) keeping a backup on the team.

A quick and easy way to upgrade the D Line, but he won't make an impact this year. I'm not impressed by any of the D Linemen.

Yeah, he went to the Bengals, I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks for reminding me of that kickoff return, I was shocked when he ran out. In his defense we had quite a better picture of what he had left to do than he did.

I still think Russell may come through for the 4th of 5th slot and from what I hear Cloman certainly could.

dieselhog:

Cloman might develop into an NFL receiver. Joe Gibbs has been known to patiently develop players with raw talent. He won't play them while they are developing, but he keeps them around and lets them hone their skills and then plays them.

However, I am pessimistic about Cliff Russell. He has "Darrell Green speed" and that is why he has been kept around as long as he has; you can't teach people to run that fast. HOWEVER, he has the hands of the Venus de Milo. That was the knock on him coming out of college and if you happened to see him in training camp or in some pre-season games, you would come to the conclusion that he still has not learned how to catch a football reliably.

It's really nice to have a guy who is a "deep threat" and can run by the defenders. It is a whole lot better if that same guy can actually catch more than half the balls that hit him on the hands... :(

Cloman was impressive in camp last year and he could definitely be a darkhorse this year and win a spot on the team.

I think Russell will be cut, the guy is all speed and not much else. He was a Spurrier guy. Gibbs is interested in the intangibles a player brings, not 40 times.

As far as Russell goes, my question is how are his legs? If his knee is a weakness and his hands aren't that good, should we really waste a roster spot on him, if there are other WR's out there who can catch? I agree it's great to have a speedster, but if all he can do is run downfield and drop the ball, what's the point?

However, anyone know if he could be a possible conversion to DB? IF he can cover, and has such good speed, who cares if he can't catch?

[QUOTE=AnonEmouse]As far as Russell goes, my question is how are his legs? If his knee is a weakness and his hands aren't that good, should we really waste a roster spot on him, if there are other WR's out there who can catch? I agree it's great to have a speedster, but if all he can do is run downfield and drop the ball, what's the point?

However, anyone know if he could be a possible conversion to DB? IF he can cover, and has such good speed, who cares if he can't catch?[/QUOTE]

You took the word's right out of my mouth, with the kind of speed he has and lack of WR skill's it probabaly wouldn't be a bad idea to take a look at him at DB.

good point about changing him to a DB. I'm a little curious how his special team play was last year. I really like Cloman and would take him any day, but I think our coaches should maybe worth with Russell some.

Is Justin Skaggs still around?

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Is Justin Skaggs still around?[/QUOTE]
Nope. Skaggs was signed by the Bucs as a free agent.

[QUOTE=joecrisp]Nope. Skaggs was signed by the Bucs as a free agent.[/QUOTE]

Obviously as a replacement for Key....thanks Crisp

Cloman should definitely make the squad this year in place of P. Johnson.. He's definitely a more developed player than C. Russell... of course not as fast but as a possession reciever you can count on him.. Not to mention his physique..(The guys' a T.O. part 2..haha)