Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Mandate
 

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/supreme-court-announces-decision-obamas-health-care-law/story?id=16663839#.T-xrTb8mRXU]The Mandate Can Stay, Supreme Court Says in Health Care Ruling - ABC News[/url]

Meanwhile, CNN...

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Dewey Defeats Truman!

Good for those that need healthcare but can't afford it.

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Good news is now you guys get to pay for my oldest daughters health care.

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[quote=firstdown;923024]Good news is now you guys get to pay for my oldest daughters health care.[/quote]

So is Chief Justice Roberts an activist judge now? Cant wait to see how Fox spins this sh*t tonight. Its gonna be hilarious.

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Personally I like the plan, especially kids in college being able to stay on their parents plan. When I was in college I saw the price of medical insurance, on my own, as a healthy 20something was just crazy. I decided to gamble -- and lost. It's when I really started to hate the medical system in the states. I realize I gambled and lost. I paid about 25K for 45 minutes in a hospital and 700 a week for 16 weeks for antibiotics to try to attack the lyme disease. I made a mistake, and understood I had to pay this money, but what made me upset -- is that insurance companies would have paid significantly less for the exact same system. A self-pay patient shouldn't have any different rate than an insurance company.

Secondly, the mandate for insurance is important. How can you mandate auto insurance, and in some cases home insurance, but not require medical. If this was overturned couldn't legal precedent be set to make those insurances optional as well? I'm actually curious if there's any reason why auto is required whereas health insurance wasn't.

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[quote=Chico23231;923025]So is Chief Justice Roberts an activist judge now? Cant wait to see how Fox spins this sh*t tonight. Its gonna be hilarious.[/quote]

So your a big Fox News viewer? LOL

One step closer to the full liberal agenda and breadlines.

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[quote=Daseal;923026] How can you mandate auto insurance, and in some cases home insurance, but not require medical. If this was overturned couldn't legal precedent be set to make those insurances optional as well? I'm actually curious if there's any reason why auto is required whereas health insurance wasn't.[/quote]

Don't you have a choice not to drive or own a car?

No so living.....

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Egg all over CNN's face. How could it let that happen?

Anyhow, this ruling is a great day for America, although what we really need is a true universal health care system. This will do for now.

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Lotus, I'd also like to see a true Universal Health Care system, just not sure how you support the additional load created by illegal immigrants as we do in CA.

Would removing the Insurance companies from the equation help to create a more egalitarian system?

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[quote=RedskinRat;923034]Lotus, I'd also like to see a true Universal Health Care system, just not sure how you support the additional load created by illegal immigrants as we do in CA.

Would removing the Insurance companies from the equation help to create a more egalitarian system?[/quote]

The federal goverment cannot even run the national flood Ins Program and you guiys think they can run your health care. The sad part is that this is going to be a very expensive "I Told You So" a few years from now.

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[quote=firstdown;923035]The federal goverment cannot even run the national flood Ins Program and you guiys think they can run your health care. The sad part is that this is going to be a very expensive "I Told You So" a few years from now.[/quote]

Run by computers?

/Sarc

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The best part is that this plan is about the same plan as Massachusetts.

Massachusetts has the most expensive family health insurance premiums in the country, according to a new analysis that highlights the state’s challenge in trying to rein in medical costs after passage of a landmark 2006 law that mandated coverage for nearly everyone.


Great idea on in gov. Take a failing plan in one state and make it the national plan. Bravo!!!

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Welcome to this socialist nation.

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Rather make an attempt to restructure healthcare and try something new than sit back like a bunch of dipshits on the right and do nothing. Anybody who has a clue knows rising healthcare costs over the last ten years and with massive aging population, something needed to been now. Yet the right bitches and moans and offers no plan. Please check the figures on health care spending by this country over the last 10 years, do you think we need to do something?

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I expected the the conservative court to strike down the individual mandate but I guess Robert was in legacy protection mode. It wasn't all good news though, the chief justice parsed the law such that the feds can't tell states "take xxxx action or else we won't give you monies."

Regardless, I can't wait to hear Romney dance his way around the issue. You guys sent the only guy who can least talk about Obamacare with a knife to a gun fight.

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[quote=Chico23231;923043]Rather make an attempt to restructure healthcare and try something new than sit back like a bunch of dipshits on the right and do nothing. Anybody who has a clue knows rising healthcare costs over the last ten years and with massive aging population, something needed to been now. Yet the right bitches and moans and offers no plan. Please check the figures on health care spending by this country over the last 10 years, do you think we need to do something?[/quote]

This plan has been tried by Mass. and they pay the highest premium IN THE COUNTRY for health ins. This is not new its just a bad plan.

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[quote=firstdown;923046]This plan has been tried by Mass. and they pay the highest premium IN THE COUNTRY for health ins. This is not new its just a bad plan.[/quote]

They are also one of the states with the highest cost of living. Your point?

[url=http://www.cnbc.com/id/43484111/The_Most_Expensive_States_To_Live_In_2011?slide=2]News Headlines[/url]



Let's delve further into your claim about the health insurance and see what we can find. Oooo...lookie here. I want you to read the whole article so that why you won't be propagating misleading info.

[url=http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/2011/11/does_massachusetts_have_the_na.html]Does Massachusetts Have the Nation’s Highest Health Insurance Premiums? It Depends. - Health Stew - Boston.com[/url]

[quote]Some things help to explain the difference. Massachusetts health insurance tends to include lower deductibles and other kinds of cost sharing which are much higher in most other states, a difference that inflates MA premiums as compared with those in other states. Massachusetts has the highest proportion of physicians, nurses and many other health professional categories than all other states. And our costs have always been the highest, not just since the Massachusetts health reform law passed in 2006. But still, guilty as charged.

There are other key differences, and the most important one is income. Massachusetts had the 4th highest median household income among the 50 states in 2010 (after Maryland, New Jersey, and Connecticut). That accounts for a big part of the difference. The raw (unadjusted) premiums shown above don't take into account ability to pay. For example, assume Ms. M lives in Massachusetts and has $100 in income and health insurance premiums costing $20. Then assume Mr. A lives in Arkansas, has income of $50, and health insurance premiums costing $15. Even though Mr. A pays less, he is paying 30% of his income and Ms. M is paying 20% of hers. Who is worse off? I think Mr. A from Arkansas.[/quote]


Checkmate.

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[quote=RedskinRat;923034]Lotus, I'd also like to see a true Universal Health Care system, just not sure how you support the additional load created by illegal immigrants as we do in CA.

[B]Would removing the Insurance companies from the equation help to create a more egalitarian system?[/B][/quote]

Yes, I think that removing the insurance companies from the equation might makes things both more egalitarian and cheaper, since insurance companies are complicit in driving up costs.

Universal health care works in other countries, so it should work here, too. Don't you think so?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;923040]Welcome to this socialist nation.[/quote]

Police protection, fire departments, and public schools are a lot more socialist than the Affordable Care Act. Should we do away with these socialist realities?

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The Court did the right thing.

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CNN wasn't the only news outlet with egg on their face.


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[quote=NC_Skins;923069]CNN wasn't the only news outlet with egg on their face.


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That's Fox News. We expect them to be inaccurate. :)

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Dewey defeats Truman.

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[quote=Lotus;923063]Yes, I think that removing the insurance companies from the equation might makes things both more egalitarian and cheaper, since insurance companies are complicit in driving up costs.

Universal health care works in other countries, so it should work here, too. Don't you think so?[/quote]

I experienced the English system first-hand, before it took a dump due to freeloading from immigrants. It's workable but only if everyone is paying in and we're not doing tummy tucks for $10 for fat bastards that refuse to work out or eat sensibly.

Then we have the quandry of who chooses which procedure for whom.

Potentially, it could work. Actually? I doubt it.

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well, if you paid for 100% of preventitive care and nothing for those that failed to get free preventitive care...

like say you got your yearly cancer screening, you're more likely to catch it early and potentially save a million in costs by not waiting till late stage onset. or do some kind of cost share to prevent people from taking $5mill surgery when 50k surgery would be 95% as effective.

it is a bit surprising just based on how loudly people said it'd fail at court, but I guess it's for real now. at least until someone tries another appeal.

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Come and get em boys and girls!!

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[quote=That Guy;923084]well, if you paid for 100% of preventitive care and nothing for those that failed to get free preventitive care...

like say you got your yearly cancer screening, you're more likely to catch it early and potentially save a million in costs by not waiting till late stage onset. or do some kind of cost share to prevent people from taking $5mill surgery when 50k surgery would be 95% as effective.

it is a bit surprising just based on how loudly people said it'd fail at court, but I guess it's for real now. at least until someone tries another appeal.[/quote]

Repeal vote scheduled for July 9th, per Eric Cantor. Symbolic vote.

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I love it!!!!!!

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and the right is angry:
[url=http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/06/28/dnc-its-constitutional-b-s/]DNC Operative: "It's Constitutional B-----s" - Fox News[/url]

Roberts may have just put the nails in Obama's coffin. Those who oppose Obamacare and the individual mandate, along with those who oppose the HHS manadate on religious institutions, have no choice but to vote against Obama and the Dems so the law is ultimately repealed or ammended.

The numbers against all or parts of Obamacare are significant:

[url=http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-poll-majority-healthcare/2012/06/07/id/441518]Times/CBS Poll: 68% Against Obamacare[/url]

[url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html]RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan[/url]

Moral of the story will be.....don't spike the ball in the second quarter....payback's a b***h.

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[quote=Lotus;923064]Police protection, fire departments, and public schools are a lot more socialist than the Affordable Care Act. Should we do away with these socialist realities?[/quote]

You're comparing apples and oranges.
Who says private fire protection would not work?
And their are plenty of private schools that work.

Lets have the govt run all theme parks too and grocery stores and professional sports and stuff.
Lets make the govt really big.....
:doh:

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[quote=Alvin Walton;923103]You're comparing apples and oranges.
Who says private fire protection would not work?
And their are plenty of private schools that work.

Lets have the govt run all theme parks too and grocery stores and professional sports and stuff.
Lets make the govt really big.....
:doh:[/quote]


....the sky is falling,the sky is falling.:laughing2

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[quote=Alvin Walton;923103]You're comparing apples and oranges.
Who says private fire protection would not work?
And their are plenty of private schools that work.

Lets have the govt run all theme parks too and grocery stores and professional sports and stuff.
Lets make the govt really big.....
:doh:[/quote]

You missed my point.

We already have socialist entities in our midst: Medicare, law enforcement, fire protection, public schools, post office, etc. Most people seem to like these things, too.

In comparison, the Affordable Care Act is really not very socialist. It does not pool tax money to provide a public service like these other entities do. There is an expansion of Medicare, sure, but it's not like the ACA invented Medicare.

So arguing against the ACA because it is "socialist" actually is a non-argument, regardless of the popularity of this argument. The ACA is actually less socialist than many things that are already in our midst and that most people accept.

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You're right, its not socialist.
Since Obama rammed it down everyones throat its totalitarian.
Not sure which is worse.

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[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare]People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare[/url]


Point and laugh.



I think Matty's favorite icon works best here. :Smoker:

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[quote=Alvin Walton;923106]You're right, its not socialist.
[B]Since Obama rammed it down everyones throat its totalitarian.[/B]
Not sure which is worse.[/quote]

The ACA became law through legislative vote and approval by the Supreme Court. These are democratic processes. The ACA was adopted by democratic process, end of story.

We know it was a democratic process because the individual mandate was not part of Obama's original plan.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923100]Roberts may have just put the nails in Obama's coffin. Those who oppose Obamacare and the individual mandate, along with those who oppose the HHS manadate on religious institutions, have no choice but to vote against Obama and the Dems so the law is ultimately repealed or ammended.[/quote]


Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system? :laughing2


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!!

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[quote=NC_Skins;923110]Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system? :laughing2


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!![/quote]

Yeah, I saw Romney speaking against the ACA today and laughed out loud. It's HIS freaking system!

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[quote=NC_Skins;923110]Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system? :laughing2


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!![/quote]

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[quote=Lotus;923109]The ACA became law through legislative vote and approval by the Supreme Court. These are democratic processes. The ACA was adopted by democratic process, end of story.

We know it was a democratic process because the individual mandate was not part of Obama's original plan.[/quote]

Dude, when people start out saying shit like "rammed down our throats", not even worth responding to.

Healthcare is the law of the land as legislated by the duly elected members of Congress. Period.