Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

Per multiple sources, the arbitrator (Mr. Burbank) has dismissed their challenge to get back cap space

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Just caught this on Twitter:


[quote]Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Professor Burbank dismissed the Redskins and Cowboys challenges to get back salary-cap space they lost.[/quote]

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Thats some BS. I'll be even more pissed if the Saints get off from their bounties since it happened under a different CBA.

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Yeah complete bs.

Is this likely the end of the whole thing?

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F that MFer. Ridiculous.

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You beat me to the punch on this.. That really sucks, the owners got their revenge on Snyder for skewing the salary scales at some positions.. F-em. Makes me want to kick their assess that much more and hope Goodell has to grit his teeth and hand Snyder the Lombardi trophy.

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Although I was hoping for a different result, I am not really deeply surprised. As I think was discussed (argued) in the other thread, this was (IMHO) the weakest argument (penalties violated the CBA) for the Skins to make.

If true, it will interesting to see if the Skins can/will pursue this as a civil matter in Federal court.

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This is just mind boggling. Not even sure how this can be dismissed.

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Sue all their F'ing asses!! and then kick it!!

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I imagine Hoophead's arguments won the day. If Vilma can sue, it will be interesting to see if DS or JJ decide to take it up in court. My guess is probably not. Just push through the 2 years, and then go forward not making VC type deals.

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[quote=NC_Skins;918031]This is just mind boggling. Not even sure how this can be dismissed.[/quote]

Simple - I am betting that Burbank's decision reads like some version of this:

1. Parties to the 2012 CBA = NFL & NFLPA;
2. Players & NFL agreed to the restructured salary cap for 2012, 2013;
3. Individual clubs have no standing to in this forum to challenge the agreement between the NFL & NFLPA.

Just read Hoophead's discussion in the old closed thread. I am betting the arbitrator pretty much followed the same line of reasoning.

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What a joke. To angry to even get my thoughts together on this...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;918039]Simple - I am betting that Burbank's decision reads like some version of this:

1. Parties to the 2012 CBA = NFL & NFLPA;
2. Players & NFL agreed to the restructured salary cap for 2012, 2013;
3. Individual clubs have no standing to in this forum to challenge the agreement between the NFL & NFLPA.

Just read Hoophead's discussion in the old closed thread. I am betting the arbitrator pretty much followed the same line of reasoning.[/quote]


So because the NFLPA signed off on this, it pretty much ****ed our team. DeMaurice Smith is a doucebag. That dude signed off on it because the salary cap and benefits would have been lowered and he was trying to get re-elected back into power. **** that guy.

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[quote=NC_Skins;918031]This is just mind boggling. Not even sure how this can be dismissed.[/quote]

As we've seen many, many times over, the NFL operates under their own set of rules that are outside of the laws of normal business and society. Damn shame but it is the system they've set up.

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I'm not surprised, the collusion is taking over. It's clear that Mara, Goodell and the other owners are targeting Snyder and Jones because they're Snyder and Jones.

Take it to a judge in Philly...yeah...sure...fair.

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Based on all the reading, I think they pretty much knew this would happen, fair or unfair. It will be interesting to see how they proceed, if they proceed.

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You can forget Jones and Snyder taking this to court. It would involved them opening up the NFL to collusion charges, and quite frankly I doubt they risk their cash cow over this.


The good news in all this is after next year, we'll be at least 18 million under the cap left from that void inflicted by the cap punishment the previous year.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;918039]Simple - I am betting that Burbank's decision reads like some version of this:

1. Parties to the 2012 CBA = NFL & NFLPA;
2. Players & NFL agreed to the restructured salary cap for 2012, 2013;
3. Individual clubs have no standing to in this forum to challenge the agreement between the NFL & NFLPA.

Just read Hoophead's discussion in the old closed thread. I am betting the arbitrator pretty much followed the same line of reasoning.[/quote]

Wait.... were still talking about the 2010 uncapped year right? and the year the offense supposedly occurred. and the fact the new CBA was not in place until 2011 a year later.... and the agreement between the NFL and NFLPA on the issue came a whole year after that in 2012.

All we will probably hear from Burbank will be that the NFL made its case and it was clear he had no standing in ruling on the case. Which is why it was dismissed. He did not rule on whether the whole case was right or not just if he could hear it.

So now DS needs to take the case to the proper venue and file it in the court of law. Scare the you know what out of the NFL into giving back the CAP space or atleast a majority of it or face going to court and possibly losing their exempt status. My money is the NFL will cave then.

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[quote=NC_Skins;918054]You can forget Jones and Snyder taking this to court. It would involved them opening up the NFL to collusion charges, and quite frankly I doubt they risk their cash cow over this.


The good news in all this is after next year, we'll be at least 18 million under the cap left from that void inflicted by the cap punishment the previous year.[/quote]

No they can always file the case, get the NFL to buckle, get back some of their CAP space, and drop the charges before it actually goes to court. and doing this might also put Goodell in check that he is not all powerful like he thinks he should be.

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On a lighter side I want to blame Hoop for jinxing us and if they NFL already didn't know he gave them the ammo they needed to simply get the case dismissed. lol.

So I lift my glass high and salute you Mr. Hoop and say thank you for the insightful comments and information. Folks the blame has to go someplace. Hoop.... smile and wave.

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Snyder need to drop his beer and food prices for the next year so he can avoid revenue sharing.

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It's clear now that Hoophead is really Burbank. :)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;918037]I imagine Hoophead's arguments won the day. ...[/quote]

[quote=JoeRedskin;918039]Simple - I am betting that Burbank's decision reads like some version of this:

1. Parties to the 2012 CBA = NFL & NFLPA;
2. Players & NFL agreed to the restructured salary cap for 2012, 2013;
3. Individual clubs have no standing to in this forum to challenge the agreement between the NFL & NFLPA.

[B]Just read Hoophead's discussion in the old closed thread.[/B] I am betting the arbitrator pretty much followed the same line of reasoning. [/quote]


Like I said before, I give the concise answer. See JR for longer, more cumbersome answers.

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[quote=SBXVII;918069]Wait....[B] were still talking about the 2010 uncapped year right? and the year the offense supposedly occurred. and the fact the new CBA was not in place until 2011 a year later.... and the agreement between the NFL and NFLPA on the issue came a whole year after that in 2012[/B].[/quote]

Not sure if you're being ironic or starting over at square one of the earlier thread. The adjustments to the cap are for the 2012 and 2013 years. Regardless of [I]why[/I] the NFL & NFLPA made the adjustment, the adjustment applies to the 2012 and 2013 years and, so, requires an agreement to modify the existing CBA.

[quote=SBXVII;918069]All we will probably hear from Burbank will be that the NFL made its case and it was clear he had no standing in ruling on the case. Which is why it was dismissed. He did not rule on whether the whole case was right or not just if he could hear it.[/quote]

Sort of - - Burbank will say that the Skins and Cowboys [I]failed[/I] to state a prima facie case for going forward. The NFL had nothing to prove - their argument was simply that Washington and Dallas hadn't made their case. Burbank agreed.

[quote=SBXVII;918069]So now DS needs to take the case to the proper venue and file it in the court of law. Scare the you know what out of the NFL into giving back the CAP space or atleast a majority of it or face going to court and possibly losing their exempt status. My money is the NFL will cave then.[/quote]

They could, but as NC pointed out, they would be opening up the "collusion" bag for the players - a collusion that they did not expose even if they did not fully participate in it. Even without that factor, it would be a tough road to hoe given Goodell's authority under the NFL By-Laws.

Again, I thought they should've gone nuclear to start - I think the adverse ruling from the abritrator weakens their civil case and deprives them of certain arguments they could have made in a circuit court.

At this point, I am with CRed. Bite the bullet and take revenge by winning the SB. ;)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;918081]Like I said before, I give the concise answer. See JR for longer, [B]more cumbersome[/B] answers.[/quote]

I understand complete sentences and concepts beyond 1+1=2 are cumbersome to you. Pardon me for addressing those Warpathers slightly higher on the intellectual ladder than you.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;918084]I understand complete sentences and concepts beyond 1+1=2 are cumbersome to you. Pardon me for addressing those Warpathers slightly higher on the intellectual ladder than you.[/QUOTE]

Except we both basically referenced the subject as thoroughly discussed in the old thread. Now if you want to imply other Warpathers are unable to search threads and find the full discussion you certainly can maintain your disdain for them. I will continue to believe all of us are savvy web users.

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Not surprised. Burbank received the suitcase full of $$$ IMO.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;918089]Not surprised. Burbank received the suitcase full of $$$ IMO.[/quote]

Right, because everytime a judge rules against someone or something you are rooting for, it means they took a bribe.

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[quote=mooby;918094]Right, because everytime a judge rules against someone or something you are rooting for, it means they took a bribe.[/quote]

Well, it is the only way I ever win a case.

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[quote=SBXVII;918072]No they can always file the case, get the NFL to buckle, get back some of their CAP space, and drop the charges before it actually goes to court. and doing this might also put Goodell in check that he is not all powerful like he thinks he should be.[/quote]

In fairytale land this works. Not in the real world. They aren't going to risk their cash cow over this. Snyder loves the Redskins, but he loves money much much more.



On that note.


[B][SIZE="4"]John Keim ‏@john_keim

RT @adbrandt Am told by league source that #Cowboys and #Redskins are issuing a joint statement saying they accept the decision. Case closed[/SIZE][/B]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;918087]Except we both basically referenced the subject as thoroughly discussed in the old thread. Now if you want to imply other Warpathers are unable to search threads and find the full discussion you certainly can maintain your disdain for them. I will continue to believe all of us are savvy web users.

Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using Tapatalk 2[/quote]

So, rather than summarize, you would doom our fellow forum mates to wading through that morass of a thread? You cold, heartless bastard.

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[quote=NC_Skins;918103]In fairytale land this works. Not in the real world. They aren't going to risk their cash cow over this. Snyder loves the Redskins, but he loves money much much more.



On that note.


[B][SIZE=4]John Keim ‏@john_keim[/SIZE][/B]

[B][SIZE=4]RT @adbrandt Am told by league source that #Cowboys and #Redskins are issuing a joint statement saying they accept the decision. Case closed[/SIZE][/B][/quote]

Good.

Time to move on.

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[quote=mooby;918094]Right, because everytime a judge rules against someone or something you are rooting for, it means they took a bribe.[/quote]

Excuse me, I'm so sorry I forgot I'm not entitled to my own opinion (IMO).

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What a shocker they gave the skins the shocker. I heard that Stephen Burbank guy acts like Dwight Shrute.

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[quote=NC_Skins;918103]In fairytale land this works. Not in the real world. They aren't going to risk their cash cow over this. Snyder loves the Redskins, but he loves money much much more.



On that note.


[B][SIZE="4"]John Keim ‏@john_keim

RT @adbrandt Am told by league source that #Cowboys and #Redskins are issuing a joint statement saying they accept the decision. Case closed[/SIZE][/B][/quote]
Sound the Law & Order chimes and let's move on. DUN DUN

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[quote=Mattyk;918105]Good.

Time to move on.[/quote]

I agree. I think the decision do dismiss was "right" from a "legal" perspective, but i think was "wrong" from a "moral" one.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;918105]Good.

Time to move on.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I've gotten over it.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/22/burbank-suggests-that-cowboys-redskins-have-other-avenues-of-relief/]Burbank suggests that Cowboys, Redskins have other avenues of relief | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/22/cowboys-redskins-say-they-respect-will-abide-arbitrators-decision/]Cowboys, Redskins say they respect, will abide arbitrator’s decision | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;918109]Excuse me, I'm so sorry I forgot I'm not entitled to my own opinion (IMO).[/quote]

You are, you're just opening yourself up to the opinions of others when you post them on a public message board.