T.O. Thoughts
 

Anyone else agree with what T.O. said that if Favre had done what he did, they'd be calling him a "warrior"?

TO is 100% correct. I think TO was treated the way he was partly because he's black and partly because he's a showboat. Favre gets extra credit partly because he's white and partly because he's a nice guy. Favre also get a pass on all his mistakes (and he made a bunch in the playoff loss to Minn) for the same reasons while TO's mistakes are discussed ad nauseum.

I never thought he could play and he ended up being Philly's best WR (which does not say much for the other healthy WRs on Philly) in the SB.

Posters on The Warpath love to refer to various Redskins' players as "warriors". What Terrell Owens did yesterday in the Super Bowl is definitely "warrior like". That ought to be a measuring stick for any player in the league to be identified as a "warrior" no matter what uniform he is wearing at the time.

I am trying to recall any Redskin player on the current roster who has done anything so stunning as what I saw yesterday from T.O. I can't think of one at the moment.

I have never had a problem with TO, his biggest problem is he attack's and point's out the hypocrisy in the NFL, the NFL doesn't like it when they promote guy's like Ray Lewis and so on and TO comes along and point's out their charactor, he likes to take the show boat's in the NFL and make them look bad, it seem's to me it all started when he scored that TD against Dallas and then ran to midfield and celebrated on the star, HOW DARE HE! :headbange As if that was any worse than having to watch Emmitt rip his helmet off in the end zone after every TD and then have to watch him put the ball in his lock box he kept on the sidelines to save, the NFL loved that, they loved Eving's first down jesture yet when TO stuck it to them all of a sudden it's not acceptable, I have never felt he's a bad guy in fact I think he's a pretty smart person he just doesn't fall in line with the hypocrisy of the NFL and their promotion policies.

And he couldn't have been more right about the Farve comparison as if Farve is a big time warrior on the field, he play's the game like a clown as if it's only there for his personal enjoyment, giving a sack to Strahan, and I didn't hear the NFL jumping all over Favre in the playoff's when he could have made a dive for a first down this past playoff's around the 1 yard line instead he flips the ball into the endzone knowing he was 5 to 7 yard's over the line and then walk's away laughing about it costing his team a possible TD and then the kicker misses the field goal, he should have been fried for that one, and yet we heard almost nothing why is that? Then TO play's almost on a broken leg and is demonized, and they have the nerve to do that after everyone had just crucified John Abraham for saying he wasen't going to play because he worried about his future, TO said forget the future I am a player and he went out and not only played but played outstanding, Kudos to TO!

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Posters on The Warpath love to refer to various Redskins' players as "warriors". What Terrell Owens did yesterday in the Super Bowl is definitely "warrior like". That ought to be a measuring stick for any player in the league to be identified as a "warrior" no matter what uniform he is wearing at the time.

I am trying to recall any Redskin player on the current roster who has done anything so stunning as what I saw yesterday from T.O. I can't think of one at the moment.[/QUOTE]

Daryl Green when he tore his rib cage muscle during the return against the Bear's in the playoff's and still played after that, maybe not quite what as tough as what TO did but defiently honorable mention. Although that's not on the current roster, currently I would have to say Smoot he has played through everything he was out there the last couple of year's when he literaly couldn't pick his arm up I give it to Smoot.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Posters on The Warpath love to refer to various Redskins' players as "warriors". What Terrell Owens did yesterday in the Super Bowl is definitely "warrior like". That ought to be a measuring stick for any player in the league to be identified as a "warrior" no matter what uniform he is wearing at the time.

I am trying to recall any Redskin player on the current roster who has done anything so stunning as what I saw yesterday from T.O. I can't think of one at the moment.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, the current Redskins haven't been in as big a game as TO was in yesterday. I'm sure that several Redskins, had they been in the Super Bowl yesterday, would have played hurt.

Fred Smoot, for example, has played hurt several times

[QUOTE=offiss]I have never had a problem with TO, his biggest problem is he attack's and point's out the hypocrisy in the NFL, the NFL doesn't like it when they promote guy's like Ray Lewis and so on and TO comes along and point's out their charactor, he likes to take the show boat's in the NFL and make them look bad, it seem's to me it all started when he scored that TD against Dallas and then ran to midfield and celebrated on the star, HOW DARE HE! :headbange As if that was any worse than having to watch Emmitt rip his helmet off in the end zone after every TD and then have to watch him put the ball in his lock box he kept on the sidelines to save, the NFL loved that, they loved Eving's first down jesture yet when TO stuck it to them all of a sudden it's not acceptable, I have never felt he's a bad guy in fact I think he's a pretty smart person he just doesn't fall in line with the hypocrisy of the NFL and their promotion policies.

And he couldn't have been more right about the Farve comparison as if Farve is a big time warrior on the field, he play's the game like a clown as if it's only there for his personal enjoyment, giving a sack to Strahan, and I didn't hear the NFL jumping all over Favre in the playoff's when he could have made a dive for a first down this past playoff's around the 1 yard line instead he flips the ball into the endzone knowing he was 5 to 7 yard's over the line and then walk's away laughing about it costing his team a possible TD and then the kicker misses the field goal, he should have been fried for that one, and yet we heard almost nothing why is that? Then TO play's almost on a broken leg and is demonized, and they have the nerve to do that after everyone had just crucified John Abraham for saying he wasen't going to play because he worried about his future, TO said forget the future I am a player and he went out and not only played but played outstanding, Kudos to TO![/QUOTE]

Great post. I love watching Favre play, but you're on point with this post

[QUOTE=irish]TO is 100% correct. I think TO was treated the way he was partly because he's black and partly because he's a showboat. Favre gets extra credit partly because he's white and partly because he's a nice guy. Favre also get a pass on all his mistakes (and he made a bunch in the playoff loss to Minn) for the same reasons while TO's mistakes are discussed ad nauseum.

I never thought he could play and he ended up being Philly's best WR (which does not say much for the other healthy WRs on Philly) in the SB.[/QUOTE]THis has nothing to do with black or white. It has to do with his showboat TO show. TO is a great player but he likes to showboat at every chance he can get. The media assumed this was TO drawing attention to himself as he has done so frequently in the past. If he wants all the hype he shouldn't whin when the media makes this assumption if its fair or not. After watching the game I would have to say he wanted to win and help his team. Farve on the other hand just goes about his business and does not draw the attention to himself. Using Farve as a comparrison for how the media treated him was way off the mark two totaly different personalities.

oh please. dont give me the race shit im tired of it. to is a dumbass. hes an asshole. i dont care if hes white or black or purple. favre is old now, 35 or 36. hes a QB getting pummled by 300 pounders. TO gets pounded by 180 pounders. TO didnt go deep once. he got longer plays because of a bad tackle by a small rookie and cuz of an illegal pick. It was pretty impressive that he could come back, but dont give me this race stuff, just dumb. If TO wasnt a cocky dickhead maybe ppl would respect him more.

oh yeah, and ppl call mcnair the toughest guy cuz he plays through injuries and last time i checked he was black

From what I have seen just about everyone is praising his effort...just not a lot since they didn't win. I think it would be different if they has won. And forgice me if I am being naive here but I don't see any of this having to do with race. There may be institutional racism still lurking throughout the league but I really don't think the media cares if a guy is white black or purple as long as he makes a good story. Maybe TO forgot the two weeks everyone spent reporting on him before the superbowl.

[QUOTE=Big C]oh yeah, and ppl call mcnair the toughest guy cuz he plays through injuries and last time i checked he was black[/QUOTE]

Yeah i really don't think race has anything to do with it. Favre is held up like he's a warrior god for whatever reason but I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he is white. I think it goes more along the lines of hype. Sorta like how somehow people have this idea that Mike Alstott is the greatest FB ever but is really only average and always has been. He's only considered good because Madden spends entire Bucs games talking about him. Favre is a lot the same way. He's a fantastic QB that has won superbowls so he gets passes on his ginormous mistakes he's made since the media has annoited him. He has always made ridiculous errors. TO is a contorversial character whom the media has little true respect for so therefore nobody cares to write about how great his effort was.

It occurs to me that Owens has the reputation he has because he couldn't care less what you or I think of him. His (non-football) actions are those of a man who is beyond self-centered. Every thing he does and utterance he makes has to be viewed through the egomaniacal T.O. prism to make sense.

That being said, what he did yesterday had nothing to do with the glorification of T.O., and everything to do with helping his team win. When the game is being played, he is the best receiver in the game, and one of the best players in the game.

This could be the most memorable athletic achievement in my lifetime. This was Jack Youngblood meets Willis Reed - with the added feature of a very good performance. The Eagles lost, and I'm glad, but T.O. did more to keep them in that game than McNabb and Westbrook combined - and he did so at great jeopardy to his career. I think Curmudgeon has set the bar a little high if he wants his "warriors" to equal this feat.

TO, hate em, but you gotta respect his will and desire to play the game.

[QUOTE=offiss]Daryl Green when he tore his rib cage muscle during the return against the Bear's in the playoff's and still played after that, maybe not quite what as tough as what TO did but defiently honorable mention.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the exact same thing Offiss. That punt return remains the greatest Redskin play I've ever seen.

No offense to:
- Riggins run against Miami
- Manley's sack against White
- Green chasing down Dorsett
- Green chasing down Dickerson (not mentioned much, but more impressive than the Dorsett play IMO)
- Green batting the ball away against Det
- Orr's fumble recovery

O ya, as for TO, I hate the guy, but he was really solid yesterday. Him and Westbrook were the only weapons (but we knew that already).

[QUOTE=firstdown]THis has nothing to do with black or white. It has to do with his showboat TO show. TO is a great player but he likes to showboat at every chance he can get. The media assumed this was TO drawing attention to himself as he has done so frequently in the past. If he wants all the hype he shouldn't whin when the media makes this assumption if its fair or not. After watching the game I would have to say he wanted to win and help his team. Farve on the other hand just goes about his business and does not draw the attention to himself. Using Farve as a comparrison for how the media treated him was way off the mark two totaly different personalities.[/QUOTE]

I agree. First - TO is a helluva a player who deserves the acclaim he gets for being a great receiver. As he has pointed out, he does not get into trouble outside the lines. His teammates (Eagle teammates anyway) seem to like him. And playing as well as he did in the SB was truly an amazing physical feat.

With that said and IMO - The problem is that Owens is so full of himself that he considers anything less than complete adoration to be an insult or disrespectful.

Perhaps, if TO stopped loving TO so much (apparently his website say's something along the lines of "I love me sum me") and stopped making inane statements about how great he is (the "whole God healed me to prove so I could great to prove how great he is" BS made me want to puke) - Maybe, just maybe, he could shut up long enough to let others do his talking for him. At this point, however, his long history of disrespect towards his opponents and his need for absolute devotion from the media have probably poisoned the well so that he will never be able to be just "a great receiver".

His complete lack of humility makes it impossible for any amount of praise to be satisfactory to him.

Just a thought - whenever he has been shut down, has he ever given credit to his opponents? I honestly don't know the answer - I can't remember it ever happening but I am not saying it hasn't. I am betting he is pretty much incapable of doing so.

I agree 110% with what TO said, if that was someone like Favre that did that the media would definitely be eating it up.

Instead it's TO and he had to deal with people doubting what his motivations for playing were. I gained a ton of respect for TO yesterday.

WTF? This has nothing to do with race. A lot of people can't stand TO because he is an obnoxious, vain individual and quite a showboat. Still, what he did yesterday was just shy of amazing. TO works hard and he wants to win. I respect him for that. Without him the game would have been a blowout. Mr. Flinchall and Stinkston would have defiantly stunk up the joint.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I agree 110% with what TO said, if that was someone like Favre that did that the media would definitely be eating it up.

Instead it's TO and he had to deal with people doubting what his motivations for playing were. I gained a ton of respect for TO yesterday.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if it had been Farve, the media would have been eating it up. BUT, at least part of the reason for that is that Farve, generally, has never been so arrogant as to not give credit to teammates or opponents and has never flinched from taking the blame when he deserved it.

Owens gets his motivations doubted because of his past behavior. His showboating activities and "look at me!!!" style do not evidence an "I am just trying to help the team" type of athlete. Rather, they, quite naturally, create the impression of an athlete who is more concerned with himself than the team.

If he is doubted, then it is because his past actions have built the chain of doubters link by link. (with apologies to Dickens).

I RESPECT T.O. for playing the way he did yesterday but the whole race issue is awful. If Farve was acting like a piece of shit all the time and then played with the injuries and deaths he went through he would not be praised as much as he has been. Farve is a class guy so the media embraces it when he does things like that where as no one cares about an asshole without the super bowl vistory. Just like to add to whoever said no redskin on the roster has played like a "warrior" Fred Smoot playing with a borken sternum, when he was puking on the sidelines after plays because of the pain that is pretty damn "warrior" like to me especially someone of his size.

As to Skins warriors - Didn't Coles pop a dislocated finger back into its socket and then go out and play. Nobody found out until later 'cause he didn't want to make a big deal about it and didn't want to be taken out of the game.

And just for some reference, Jack Youngblood's comment on Owens injury was something like "6 weeks? Shoot, you could recover from an amputation in that time."

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I agree 110% with what TO said, if that was someone like Favre that did that the media would definitely be eating it up.

Instead it's TO and he had to deal with people doubting what his motivations for playing were. I gained a ton of respect for TO yesterday.[/QUOTE]His past is the only reason people doupted his motivations. I have always respect the mans tallent now I respect his heart to play and win.

TO has always impressed me with his play, desire to win, and work ethic. His antics on the field (showboating, dancing, etc) shouldn't command as much attention as it does- not everyone has the same personality and the league is much more interesting with him in it. The NFL may say that it's bad for football, but they're laughing their way to to the bank with all publicity he garners.

He may be a cocky and arrogant guy on the field, but I've never once heard a negative thing about him off the field. In an era where professional players are in the middle of murder scenes, drug deals, and sexual assaults, why is TO the poster boy for being a "bad boy"? Because he's not setting an example for "good sportsmanship"? I think the league has bigger fish to fry than a guy with funny dances.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]As to Skins warriors - Didn't Coles pop a dislocated finger back into its socket and then go out and play. Nobody found out until later 'cause he didn't want to make a big deal about it and didn't want to be taken out of the game.

And just for some reference, Jack Youngblood's comment on Owens injury was something like "6 weeks? Shoot, you could recover from an amputation in that time."[/QUOTE]I remember a game Darrell Green ran to the sidelines after a play held up his hand and and a finger was pointing backwards. The coaching staff popped it back into place and I don,t think he missed a play.

S.C. - any player for any team would have moved heaven and earth to play in the superbowl . I think your glass half empty approch to the Redskin is getting a little old and your disparaging opinion of our roster is getting disrespectful when you say you cannot think of any player wanting to play as much as T.O. . This year alone you have Coles playing with dislocated fingers, his toe problems, you have Thomas comming back from injury for a team no where near the playoffs and it is not just the Redskins last year the browns had one of thier QBs playing with a broken leg who just didn't want to come off the field and replaced they finished worse than us last year record wise.

T.O. is bitching and whinning because he is not being refered to as a warrior like Farve because he came back to play pretty ineffectivly throughout he was covered by a third string rookie for most of the game from a broken leg 7 weeks earlier. Not taking anything away from his recouperative abilities and his desire to play in possibly the biggest game of any players life but i have to say huh ? A warrior asks for no praise, never searches for glory expects nothing but to give his best and that is why T.O isn't refered to as a warrior and it is nothing to do with him being black .. it is to do with him being a showboating egomaniac in the press.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Posters on The Warpath love to refer to various Redskins' players as "warriors". What Terrell Owens did yesterday in the Super Bowl is definitely "warrior like". That ought to be a measuring stick for any player in the league to be identified as a "warrior" no matter what uniform he is wearing at the time.

I am trying to recall any Redskin player on the current roster who has done anything so stunning as what I saw yesterday from T.O. I can't think of one at the moment.[/QUOTE]
Smoot.

I have to say that TO really showed a warriors spirit out there last night, although i dont like him he did play well. As far as the race card goes you cant dismiss it as not being a factor to some degree. NFL fans look at him and think "Typical black man", its sad people still think like that but that is the reality. He is 100% correct in making the comparison between him and Favre. If Favre was cocky the media would label him as confident and a fierce competitor that is able to back up what he says. That is the simple truth.

[QUOTE=bedlamVR]S.C. - any player for any team would have moved heaven and earth to play in the superbowl . I think your glass half empty approch to the Redskin is getting a little old and your disparaging opinion of our roster is getting disrespectful when you say you cannot think of any player wanting to play as much as T.O. . This year alone you have Coles playing with dislocated fingers, his toe problems, you have Thomas comming back from injury for a team no where near the playoffs and it is not just the Redskins last year the browns had one of thier QBs playing with a broken leg who just didn't want to come off the field and replaced they finished worse than us last year record wise. [/QUOTE]

LOL….that’s all I’ve got to say.

I agree with what T.O. said, 100%. He is the sole reason they are saying these things, however. If he didnt act like a clown all the time, people would be giving him much more credit. I deinftley respect what he did over the past two weeks, and I agree with his comments, just to awnser the question.

didnt DG return a punt for a td against the bears in '87. he didnt just get hurt and play on, but returned that punt and during it hurt his ribs and still managed a td and still managed to finish the game

TO IS A GARBAGE PLAYER WHO DESERVES NOTHING, EVERYONE PLAYS HURT ALL THE TIME. DOES ANYONE REMEMBER RONNIE LOTT'S EPISODE.... "CUT IT OFF, I DONT HAVE TIME FOR A HEALING PROCESS." THATS A TRUE NFL PLAYER

Reading all this crap about TO really pisses me off. He wants all the attention and he gets it (usually negative) and he deserves it!! If he stood on the Skins emblem at the fifty do you think he'd leave the field alive (I think not ((Lavar)). I gained some respect for his playing this weekend but like said before, it was the Superbowl!!! Most people would give their left @*!)( to play in the Superbowl (that's why TO came back so quickly). As mentioned on ESPN, he never said he was playing to help his team win until the post game show. His mouth and his antics are what give him the bad rep (not being black) and he deserves it all. If Art Monk acted like TO he'd probably be in the HOF by now. He never went after the attention and neither does Favre!! Do the job you get paid for and shut up!!!! I respect Art Monk more than I'll ever respect TO. I don't like TO, I don't like the Iggles and I'm glad they lost!!!
Now bring on the draft and the pre-season!! GO SKINS!!!!!!

"As mentioned on ESPN, he never said he was playing to help his team win until the post game show."

What do you think he was playing for? I cant believe that people just couldnt assume that TO was playing to help his team to win, and that he has to publicly state that. Do people believe that he was out there playing to help his team lose?

Also I should say that I am not a big TO fan, but all of this about his showboating, so what, really, if the guy is that good than so what. It's not braging if you can back it up. And so far he can. Just like his td celebrations, if teams or other players dont like them then dont let him score simple as that.

[QUOTE=FRPLG]Yeah i really don't think race has anything to do with it. Favre is held up like he's a warrior god for whatever reason but I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he is white.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you in that I don't see any media backlash against TO or even Moss having to do with racism.

The Brett Favre deal is something different though. Sure, he's a tough guy, and has been christened a warrior since he's the brave sturdy southern boy from Mississippi who braved the cold at Lambeau and led his team to victory almost all the time - but the reason Favre, and Greenbay are idolized and idealized so much is cuz they're the original success story of the league - Lombardi, and his 5 championships in the 60s. In this league, it has become anathema to criticize the Packers, any of their players, or their fans since they represent how pro-football started out..,old-school, blue collar, small-town, hardworking people coaching, playing, and most importantly, watching the game. The NFL wants to be seen as preserving that tradition. All the other NFL success stories have been in bigger cities...Dallas, Pitt, DC, NY, San Fran, LA (Rams), and now Boston. Though Pittsburgh is now a big city, it still has those same blue-collar roots, and the Steelers organization and their fans are pampered in much the same way as Green Bay.

The bottom line is that the GB fans deserved all they got from Moss - it is an unforgivable double standard to condone the GB fans mooning of the visiting team's bus, but penalize players that harmlessly stick it to the GB fans.

I idolize TO for desecrating the Star in Texas stadium. He is a true warrior for the way he played yesterday, but he does need to get that stick out of his ass and get over his persecution complex - no one's criticizing him for yesterday's performance...every member of the media I heard was lauding his effort.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]It's not braging if you can back it up.[/QUOTE]

Ummm, yes it is.

Bragging - To assert boastfully

Boast - To glorify oneself in speech, talk in a self-admiring way; to speak with excessive pride.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Ummm, yes it is.

Bragging - To assert boastfully

Boast - To glorify oneself in speech, talk in a self-admiring way; to speak with excessive pride.[/QUOTE]

Ok thanks for the vocab lesson, but I think that you proved my point. He "glorifies himself in speech, talks about himself in an admiring way, and speaks with excessiv pride of himself" all because when he steps on the field he can perform. He performed well when it was Young throwing him the ball, when it was Garciea, and now when it is McNabb tossing him the rock.

Do I like the fact the he does it? NO!! But he is one of the best to be playing in todays NFL. I would have more of a problem if it was a reciever like Chris Chambers or Chad Johnson acting in that manner. I mean what have they done? They are both very good recievers true, but they do not performe like Owens, Moss, or Harrison.

[QUOTE=Monk-Fan]I have to say that TO really showed a warriors spirit out there last night, although i dont like him he did play well. As far as the race card goes you cant dismiss it as not being a factor to some degree. NFL fans look at him and think "Typical black man", its sad people still think like that but that is the reality. He is 100% correct in making the comparison between him and Favre. If Favre was cocky the media would label him as confident and a fierce competitor that is able to back up what he says. That is the simple truth.[/QUOTE]

I know I for one don't think that type of an ignorant thought when I see TO or any other cocky player, but I do think "Typical rich, self absorbed man" cuz a lot of athletes now a days think that just because they are gifted physically that whatever they do has more importance than anyone else around them and that everyone should bow down and bask in their glory. Cuz obviously it means you are disrespecting them when u don't grovel at their feet. Sadly there probably r people that have racial motivations in how they look at players, but comparing an ego-maniac coming back from an injury only about a week and a half ahead of schedule for the biggest game of his career to a player that has battled through numerious difficulties in his life added on to never missing a game at one of the toughest positions in about ten years is kind of a joke isn't it? I don't know about anyone else but I've heard quite a few people not pulling many punches on Favres' play at certain times the past few years and usually Favres' the first one to place the blame on himself in those situations. Has anyone heard TO saying anything about his bad play when he got shut down to only a few receptions against the skins and against the steelers or the multiple games he's been shut down in the past?
I don't neccesarily think TO is looked at like a "bad boy" of the nfl, but more likely a very talented clown. How does he expect to be respected when he shows no respect for others?
He played a hell a game, but lets not make it seem like he did something miraculous. I mean he does get paid millions of dollars a year to go out and do what he did last night right?

Lost in all of this is the fact that T.O. probably had to sign a waiver so that he could play yesterday. I heard the Eagles may ask him to...MAY?! You're kidding me right? A football player isn't medically cleared to play and decides to anyway. I guarantee the Eagles weren't going to take the heat for him going down and ending his career. I'm positive they made him sign a waiver. I don't care how much the trainer was pushing him to the public, the Eagles wouldn't take that risk.

T.O. decided that he was going to play and that was that. His doctor compared the break in his leg to the one Steve Smith suffered at the begining of the season. It put Steve Smith on the IR. I don't think anyone on this site should question what he did yesterday. 9 catches is 9 catches...hell, the MVP only had 2 more and about 10 more yards. Niether of them got in the end zone, so don't give me this "he never went deep" BS. What he did yesterday was nothing short of miraculous and I gained a tremendous amount of respect for him.

If he signed a waiver, which I have to believe he did, T.O. should be put in the "warrior" class. Hell, I'll put him there even if he didn't. If they had won that game he probably would have been the MVP if it didn't go to McNabb. That was a great effort by a great receiver and I respect him more than just as a good receiver now.

Branch had much more of an impact in the game than T.O. did and T.O. was against the depleated injury ridden secondary Pats. He made some fearless moves for someone comming back from injurybut it was the superbowl... SUPERBOWL get it ?

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Ummm, yes it is.

Bragging - To assert boastfully

Boast - To glorify oneself in speech, talk in a self-admiring way; to speak with excessive pride.[/QUOTE]

You're thinking Freddie Mitchell. I'd like some T.O. quotes where he glorifies himself. Please do provide some quotes.