Mike Vanderjagt available?
 

According to the Indy papers, Vanderjagt will cost the Colts $3M in cap room next year. Even though he is the most accurate kicker in NFL history, that may be too steep a price for them and they may choose to cut him to creats some cap space.

Stand by for rumors that the Redskins are interested starting in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

He may be a good kicker but he is still a deuche.

Haha. Very succinct Duffman.

he'd be fine if he's stay off the sauce...he talks more trash than half the league

Didn't we just get Hall? He played well when he wasn't injured.

I hope no one really thinks we're going to pursue this guy. Ahhhh, if only we could run our team like Madden-lovers do.

I'm pretty happy w/ Hall. No Vanderjerk....please.

Not only that, Chandler was solid at backup too.

Let me make this clear. I do NOT want the Skins to sign Vanderjagt. OK? He would cost them much too much in cap room; he is not a good value.

However, saying that the Skins kicking game is solid is looking at the world through rose colored glasses.

I don't know how many kickers have been here since Danny Boy bought this team, but I'll bet its more than 10 and probably it's close to 15. So none of them can be all that good.

Hall has been hurt a lot since he arrived at a pretty hefty price tag of his own. And without Hurricane Betty at his back, the next time Hall kicks one through the end zone, will be the first since he got here. Injured or not injured!

Chandler is a refugee from the SF 49ers who are just plain awful. What might that tell you?

Comparing either them to "the most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL", is just plain wrong.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Not only that, Chandler was solid at backup too.[/QUOTE]

Solid at backup. Not saying kicking game itself was solid.

vanderjerk playing most of his games indoors helps that he is so acccurate

Not worth the tag. Hall has accuracy problems at times, but is solid enough for us!

Despite what SC says when healthy, Hall is a solid kicker. He missed a lot of time this year but this was the first year since he's been in the league that he missed more than 1 game.

And by the way he had 11 touchbacks in 2003.

Vandy has 8 for his entire career.

All fine points Matty, but the question is 'is Hall going to get a bust in Canton?'

Because if not then he just plain sucks right? ;)

[QUOTE=smootsmack]All fine points Matty, but the question is 'is Hall going to get a bust in Canton?'

Because if not then he just plain sucks right? ;)[/QUOTE]

classic

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Let me make this clear. I do NOT want the Skins to sign Vanderjagt. OK? He would cost them much too much in cap room; he is not a good value.

However, saying that the Skins kicking game is solid is looking at the world through rose colored glasses.

I don't know how many kickers have been here since Danny Boy bought this team, but I'll bet its more than 10 and probably it's close to 15. So none of them can be all that good.

Hall has been hurt a lot since he arrived at a pretty hefty price tag of his own. And without Hurricane Betty at his back, the next time Hall kicks one through the end zone, will be the first since he got here. Injured or not injured!

Chandler is a refugee from the SF 49ers who are just plain awful. What might that tell you?

Comparing either them to "the most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL", is just plain wrong.[/QUOTE]

SC,

You seem to be hedging your bets. On the one hand you say anyone who says our kicking game is solid is looking at the world through rose colored glasses and it's unfair to compare Hall to Vanderjerk. On the other hand, you say you don't think we should grab him.

And are you saying Hall hasn't had a touchback since Hurricaine Betty. I recall differently.

I know you like playing the wise cynic, but I think your standards are WAY too high for evaluating players. Hall had a damn rock solid year his first season here. He was injured this past season, but it's not like the guy is a waif-thin pencil-neck. He's HUGE.

And who compared him to Vanderjerk?

11 touchbacks for Hall in 2003 compared to Vanderjerks career total of 8? WOW! Apparently Hurricaine Betty stuck around for quite awhile in 2003.

Hall's accuracy from 50+ yards was also among the tops in the league (if not the top) in 2003. Saying he has injury issues based on 2004 alone is like saying Jansen (aka THE ROCK) or Arrington have injury issues.

Vanderjerk is so bad kicking off that HE DOESN'T. The Colts brought in some other guy to do the kicking off for them.

no vanderjack please we have a kicker he was just hurt this year.

I'm happy w/ Hall or Chandler. I think they both showed they are good kickers. I say let those two fight it out during training camp.

Hall has a beast leg which means he can hit from the 50s. I like him as a kicker, but his biggest weakness is acuracy. I bet the JETS wished they had him last weekend.

Gmanc - I'll take Kimrin - thanks.....

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Vanderjerk is so bad kicking off that HE DOESN'T. The Colts brought in some other guy to do the kicking off for them.[/QUOTE]

yeah they brought in spaz wad gramatica cuz vande just doesn't have the leg strength(if he really ever did) to kick solid kickoffs on a regular basis.

honestly, I'd rather have Vanderdrunk over Hall...however, as SC has pointed out, i wouldn't take the cap hit for it...

Career Percentage by Distance
1-19 yards
Vanderjagt: 100% (5-5)
Hall: 100% (3-3)

20-29 yards
Vanderjagt: 97% (61-63)
Hall: 95% (58-61)

30-39 yards
Vanderjagt: 92% (56-61)
Hall: 79% (67-85)

INSIDE 40
Vanderjagt: 95% (122-129)
Hall: 86% (128-149)

40-49 yards
Vanderjagt: 79% (58-73)
Hall: 58% (41-71)

50+ yards
Vanderjagt: 67% (14-21)
Hall: 48% (13-27)

People may knock Vanderjagt because he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, but to compare him to Hall & Chandler...it isnt even close...

check the stats...the return average for both kickers is identical...and for those who contest Vanderjagt's leg...he's got one more over 50 with 6 fewer attempts than Hall...

what would you rather have, a highly accurate kicker who doesn't kick off, or a decent kicker that can boom kickoffs...

[QUOTE=BDBohnzie]honestly, I'd rather have Vanderdrunk over Hall...however, as SC has pointed out, i wouldn't take the cap hit for it...

Career Percentage by Distance
1-19 yards
Vanderjagt: 100% (5-5)
Hall: 100% (3-3)

20-29 yards
Vanderjagt: 97% (61-63)
Hall: 95% (58-61)

30-39 yards
Vanderjagt: 92% (56-61)
Hall: 79% (67-85)

INSIDE 40
Vanderjagt: 95% (122-129)
Hall: 86% (128-149)

40-49 yards
Vanderjagt: 79% (58-73)
Hall: 58% (41-71)

50+ yards
Vanderjagt: 67% (14-21)
Hall: 48% (13-27)

People may knock Vanderjagt because he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, but to compare him to Hall & Chandler...it isnt even close...

check the stats...the return average for both kickers is identical...and for those who contest Vanderjagt's leg...he's got one more over 50 with 6 fewer attempts than Hall...

what would you rather have, a highly accurate kicker who doesn't kick off, or a decent kicker that can boom kickoffs...[/QUOTE]

but like someone posted before, Vande automatically kicks 8 games a year indoors while Hall has always played for outdoor teams. anyone know of a site that might show outdoor vs indoor stats cuz that'd be the more telling stat. plus the only kicker I'd probably pay more than 2-3 million too would be Adam Vin. of the pats. cuz dude is always money in big situations.

I'm not denying Vandy is clearly the better kicker, hell he's one of the best of all-time.

Hall reminds me a lot of Chip Lohmiller. Cannon of a leg, not as accurate as you'd like him to be but can still get the job done. Hall also had the pleasure of kicking 8 games a year in the swirling winds of Giants stadium, not exactly a kicker's paradise.

I'd have to say that the kicking game is the least of our worries.

Ramseyfan:

I was not trying to hedge my bet here so let me be as clear as I can.

I do NOT want the Skins to pursue Vanderjagt. That is not because I think the Skins' kicking game is great - it is decent but not much better than that - but because Vanderjagt will command a big price and I do not think the Skins should allocate resorces there.

I was responding to someone who said that Hall and Chandler gave the skins a solid kicking game. With Hall's injury the Skins kicking game was really mediocre. In fact, Gibbs had to defer on a long field goal attempt in a late season game because he kinda felt like Chandler wasn't gonna get it to the goal posts on three bounces.

Can the kicking game be improved? You bet. Can it be improved without spending a lot of money on it? Not likely. Should that "additional money" be spent on other parts of the team? Definitely.

Summary:

Kicking game could be better.

Vanderjagt would make it better

Likely cost for Vanderjagt is higher than the Skins should pay.

Most definitely. Just like you say, the money could be spent to address other, more important, areas.

The kicking game with Hall is fine, let's move on. :)

Vanderjagt 2004 Indoor v. Outdoor

Indoor - 12/15 (80%)
Outdoor - 8/10 (80%)

Vanderjagt 2003 Indoor v. Outdoor

Indoor - 19/19 (100%)
Outdoor - 18/18 (100%)

Hall 2003 Indoor v. Outdoor

Indoor - 1/2 (50%)
Outdoor - 24/31 (77%)

Guys like Jason Hanson, Vinatieri, and Vanderjagt are just flat out great kickers, and it doesn't matter where they kick, they produce results. Hall has never been the most accurate kicker...

but, as others have stated...the money can be better spent elsewhere...i wouldn't say the kicking game is fine, but adequate enough to get through the season.

Oh let vandy go to the niners thats who needs a kicker. lol