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Let me start by stating that I no longer live in the Redskins radio broadcast area. I did grow up with Frank (gone) Sonny, and Sam and occasionally hear snippets of the current incarnation. IMO they are no where near their glory days. That said, even Sam's dementia doesn't drop them below the majority of local broadcasters. I listen to a lot traveling and wanted to get other's opinions on the worst, best and who should supplant the current Redskin lineup.

My worst is the Panthers. They are quiet during the play and then discuss it as if the radio (non-viewing) audience could believe what they saw. Sample from the Colts-Panthers game:
"Wow, did you see that."
"Was he in?"
"I think so. Um, don't know. Is there a replay? Look at the screen."
"Yeah, I don't know. Worst case they still can stop them."
"I think we got it. What did the ref signal?"
"Ummmmm..."
Play by play guy "The interception stands and the Panthers just have to kneel on the 20 yard line. No review is under way."

Best is the Broncos. Brian Griese is great at offering commentary and his partner (don't remember his name) tells the action without offering references nobody cares about.

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I was in the car and listened a good bit to the Coyboys game and I have to say the current broadcast team is terrible. They need to get rid of Sam Huff ASAP because he's the terrible and mis-speaks all the time, it really brings the whole broadcast down. I guess other cities broadcast teams might be worse but I find it hard to believe.

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Yeah Huff is just brutal to listen to. He's lost his mind and forgets things. It's kind of sad that they keep letting him do the games. The main issue I have with Larry Michael is his god awful voice. It's beyond annoying. I still like Sonny but the other two are just un listenable. Frank Herzog was awesome. Can't tell you about the other cities.

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Sonny & Sam are awful and should have retired years ago.

I stick with the national feeds whenever possible. Something about the "hometown" radio crews sitting their openly rooting for their team just irks me.

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I like Sonny, but Huff is really unbearable. You can hear the frustration in Sonny and the other guy's voice when Huff blurts some incredibly wrong statement out. In the SF game Huff was raving about how the defense was playing the best he'd seen in years, until Sonny pointed out that Huff was talking about SF's defense not ours.

Usually on Sirius you get all 3 feeds, I rarely listen to the Skins it is just too awful.

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Sonny & Sam are a comedy team! I know what yall are saying, they should've hung it up years ago. Still, their presence means something to me, I'll be sad when they're gone, they're part of old DC.

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[quote=Mattyk;863700]Sonny & Sam are awful and should have retired years ago.

I stick with the national feeds whenever possible. Something about the "hometown" radio crews sitting their openly rooting for their team just irks me.[/quote]

I dont mind the hometown radio crew openly rooting for their team because they are employed by that team so I expect them to be biased but the national feeds are best.

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[quote=freddyg12;863705]Sonny & Sam are a comedy team! I know what yall are saying, they should've hung it up years ago. Still, their presence means something to me, I'll be sad when they're gone, they're part of old DC.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This is exactly how i feel. You cant take Sonny and especially Sam as serious color guys. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Redskins Nation is probably the worst Redskins show out there, but i think Larry Micheals is a damn fine play by play guy. I think hes one of the best in radio when it comes to calling a game and painting a picture of what’s happening. I dont mind Sam and Sonny (and even like their antics) but you have to take it for what it is. They are funny and entertaining, not serious and insightful. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Monday night football is a good comparison to Larry, Sonny and Sam. I thought Denis Miller was horrible. I thought Tony Kornhizer was somehow even worse. And I didn’t think either of them knew much about football, but some people think they are entertaining and funny and that’s why ESPN decided that 2 people talking wasn’t enough and put them in the booth. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Currently I think Jaws is okay and I kind of like Gurdon, but they can both be pretty damn annoying at times. I see Sonny and Sam the same way but rarely if ever annoying. Sonny can lay some insightful stuff every now and then. Sam is pretty crazy (senile) but will usually make you laugh a few times each game (normally at his expense). But best of all neither of them talk too much (unlike Miller, Kornhizer, Jaws, and Gurdon). Either way both Larry Micheals and Mike Tirico do a great job of putting up with their color guys for 4 hours each Sunday/Monday while calling a damn fine game. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I just don’t get people who try and take Sam and Sonny serious, it would be like critiquing Tony Kornhizer for going off topic and making jokes; that’s whats he’s there to do. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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LOVE the whole team..
Larry is a good play by play man and a terrific Redskin homer..Sonny is still great and ..Sam...
His dementia labored outbursts actually make me laugh out loud often as Sonny and Larry frequently tease him.

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[quote=mlmpetert;863713][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This is exactly how i feel. You cant take Sonny and especially Sam as serious color guys. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Redskins Nation is probably the worst Redskins show out there, but i think Larry Micheals is a damn fine play by play guy. I think hes one of the best in radio when it comes to calling a game and painting a picture of what’s happening. I dont mind Sam and Sonny (and even like their antics) but you have to take it for what it is. They are funny and entertaining, not serious and insightful. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Monday night football is a good comparison to Larry, Sonny and Sam. I thought Denis Miller was horrible. I thought Tony Kornhizer was somehow even worse. And I didn’t think either of them knew much about football, but some people think they are entertaining and funny and that’s why ESPN decided that 2 people talking wasn’t enough and put them in the booth. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Currently I think Jaws is okay and I kind of like Gurdon, but they can both be pretty damn annoying at times. I see Sonny and Sam the same way but rarely if ever annoying. Sonny can lay some insightful stuff every now and then. Sam is pretty crazy (senile) but will usually make you laugh a few times each game (normally at his expense). But best of all neither of them talk too much (unlike Miller, Kornhizer, Jaws, and Gurdon). Either way both Larry Micheals and Mike Tirico do a great job of putting up with their respective idiots for 4 hours each Sunday/Monday while calling a damn fine game. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I just don’t get people who try and take Sam and Sonny serious, it would be like critiquing Tony Kornhizer for going off topic and making jokes; that’s whats he’s there to do. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I used to be a Kornheiser fan until he went to MNF. Dude was such a crybaby when people criticized him, it was pretty pathetic.

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It's the same here in OKC for anything NFL, They are complete IDIOTS when it comes to Pro football.. The other day one of the local radio "stars" didn't even know who Nnamdi was???

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[quote=Ruhskins;863716]I used to be a Kornheiser fan until he went to MNF. Dude was such a crybaby when people criticized him, it was pretty pathetic.[/quote]


The dude thinks everthing he says is funny and insightful and would talk over people all the time, could you imagine working with someone like that?

I liked him on PTI, but even to this day i still resent him for making MNF unbearable for me for 2 years. The next time Tony is out on PTI and Bob Ryan or the other guy is in pay attention and decide if its a better a show without him. I honestly think it is.

I like Around the Horn better and even Sports Nation now. I thought Max Kellerman was 10x better in Around then Horn then Tony Reali, however i like Tony Reali now. SS can you tell us if Max Kellerman left on his own or did he just really want to persue boxing or something?

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I like Sonny, Larry is a play-by-play guy...there are dozens of them who are all the same.

Sam HAS TO GO. The old curmudgeony clueless act is played out. Now he just sounds sad and pathetic. he makes it unlistenable in my opinion.

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Sorry but I have to say it , the Skins have ..THE worst broadcast team ....you just can't listen to them.A few weeks ago I was picking up the Mrs from Dullas airport and had some time to kill so I turned on the Redskins against Miami.........Holy $%&#......,Sonny was pissed off at every dumb thing Sam said(which was alot) and Larry Micheals(what a Homer) .....is an idiot for feeding Sam!All Sam was talking ablout is .".the draw play" he must have said the Skins should run it ...or Miami should run it 50 times ...NO BS
The Giants have Bob Poppa and Carl Banks and oh hell yeh they will say what they think.

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I listened to my first game by them yesterday and posted this in scuds studs because i didnt know where else to put it
"This has got nothing to do with the players in game,but I had to give a smackdown to the radio broadcast.Ive read a lot of complaints about it but I heard it for the first time on satellite radio yesterday.OH MY GAWD! How is Huff still employed? That guy is so bad its way beyond funny.Him and Jurgenson bickering with eath other sounded like 2 drunk fools in a bar.I feel for the people that listen to that every week "

Sonny wasnt so bad and the other guy was fine,but Huff is just unbelievably bad

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I don't mind Sonny, and the only way someone could enjoy listening to Sam Huff is if they enjoy people talking out of their ass. Sam's gotta retire soon. And I've never had to listen to the game live on the radio, I'm only saying this based on the snippets I've heard of them on YouTube and elsewhere.

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Also as a side note, you cannot listen to Sam, Sonny and Larry (or any other radio broadcast) while watching your tv. I used to think that i wasnt able to do it because the delay on my tv was from the cable company, but i have got rid of cable and tried it earlier this year and there was still a big delay. I remember doing it as a kid and liking it a lot, but its just not possible anymore.

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[quote=mlmpetert;863719]The dude thinks everthing he says is funny and insightful and would talk over people all the time, could you imagine working with someone like that?

I liked him on PTI, but even to this day i still resent him for making MNF unbearable for me for 2 years. The next time Tony is out on PTI and Bob Ryan or the other guy is in pay attention and decide if its a better a show without him. I honestly think it is.

I like Around the Horn better and even Sports Nation now. I thought Max Kellerman was 10x better in Around then Horn then Tony Reali, however i like Tony Reali now. SS can you tell us if Max Kellerman left on his own or did he just really want to persue boxing or something?[/quote]

What I think of TK and Reali...I won't say

I think Kellerman and ESPN just couldn't agree on a new contract. No hard feelings

Huff has long been a joke. I've said this before, he constanly has to be woken up because he dozes off in the booth. This is from 10 years ago. No idea why he's still around. I suspect it's because of Sonny

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TK seems like he has a massive ego. He almost reminds me a little of Keith Olberman, except cursed with bad looks.

Reali seems like he could be a real asshole. I remember the first time i saw him on Around the Horn and he was just giving points away for no reason and muting people just to be a dick, i was like who the f is this kid? Max used to make people work for their points so the mute was a much more powerful "tool". Reali knows his stuff, but I think Max probably knows a lot more and is a lot smarter. Now the show is just a lot goofier, not necessarily bad thing, but I don’t think it is as good as it was. Its still my favorite out of PTI and Sports Nation.

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[quote=mlmpetert;863713][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B]This is exactly how i feel. You cant take Sonny and especially Sam as serious color guys. [/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Redskins Nation is probably the worst Redskins show out there, but i think Larry Micheals is a damn fine play by play guy. I think hes one of the best in radio when it comes to calling a game and painting a picture of what’s happening. [B]I dont mind Sam and Sonny (and even like their antics) but you have to take it for what it is. They are funny and entertaining, not serious and insightful.[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I guess that's the problem. #1 they're not funny, and #2 if you can't add insight & meaning to a game as analysts get the hell off the radio.

Sometimes I feel like Larry is the only one that's actually working, and Sonny and Sam are just kinda there hanging out, probably smoking cigars, hitting a flask and just watching and commenting like two old guys sitting in a bar would be doing.

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[quote=Mattyk;863746]I guess that's the problem. #1 they're not funny, and #2 if you can't add insight & meaning to a game as analysts get the hell off the radio.

[B]Sometimes I feel like Larry is the only one that's actually working, and Sonny and Sam are just kinda there hanging out, probably smoking cigars, hitting a flask and just watching and commenting like two old guys sitting in a bar would be doing[/B].[/quote]


Im almost certain thats exactly whats going on......

I get some poeple dont like it. Im sure others like me do like it. But honestly the vast majority of people dont care. I dont think very many people, besides those in the bathroom at Fedex, actually listen to game on AM radio.

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[quote=freddyg12;863705]Sonny & Sam are a comedy team! I know what yall are saying, they should've hung it up years ago. Still, their presence means something to me, I'll be sad when they're gone, they're part of old DC.[/quote]

For THAT reason alone they can do it until they die ... Hail to Sonny, Same, & FRANK .. I moved away from DC about 8 years ago and haven't had the patience to hook up the radio and sync it with the TV but I do love Sonny, I feel bad for Sam, and Frank was the sh*t that kept it all together. He was the glue, IMO that's where they made the mistake. Sonny for me is up there with Riggo as 2 of the most notable Redskins figures in history.

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All three are awful!! I typically listen to the games on Sirius and go to the opponent's broadcast team. Larry is clearly the most competent of the three, but pisses me off that 90% of the time he exagerates the play in the Redskins favor. On 1st and ten our rb gets hit at the line of scrimmage, breaks three tackles, falls forward for a gain of four....then hear it is 2nd and 9.........consistently!!! The opponent's rb gets hit in the backfield and dropped immediately.......then it is 2nd and 6!! Drives me crazy.....just be honest about the dam play!!

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Why would the Redskins put Sam huff in this position?..he has some issues and they continue to let him stay on ..its very sad..he needs to be put on a medical leave..its not a funny situation..its sad..just like this franchise ..it is very sad indeed.

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I'm out of the area, so I have to listen to most Skins games. I have to say that Sonny and Sam are great to listen to; Huff's dementia is lovable in a grandfatherly way, and the two Redskins legends provide a sense of home and warmth. So long as you don't care about what's going on in the game, they are perfect. If you DO care what's going on the game, then they're both absolute garbage; I have lost count of the number of times they have called an interception a completed pass and vice-versa, and never in a way that works out for the Redskins. They seriously have no idea what's going on.

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[quote=mlmpetert;863752]Im almost certain thats exactly whats going on......

I get some poeple dont like it. Im sure others like me do like it. But honestly the vast majority of people dont care. I dont think very many people, besides those in the bathroom at Fedex, actually listen to game on AM radio.[/quote]

they are on fm also. when was the last game you heard them call? it's not funny it's down right embarassing if you ask me. sam honestly does not know what is going on anymore, he is just up there saying what ever pops into his mind. it's not a matter of him being funny it's him losing his mind and no one having the balls to telll him it's time to hang it up, it's actually kind of pathetic and sad. i really hope this is his last year.

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[quote=Mattyk;863700]Sonny & Sam are awful and should have retired years ago.

I stick with the national feeds whenever possible. Something about the "hometown" radio crews sitting their openly rooting for their team just irks me.[/quote]

Really? That's what's so great about a local broadcast team; you're hearing the game called from a fellow fan's perspective. So long as they stick to making objective reasonably objective observations, who cares that they openly root for the team you're rooting for?

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[quote=Coff;863864]I'm out of the area, so I have to listen to most Skins games. I have to say that Sonny and Sam are great to listen to; Huff's dementia is lovable in a grandfatherly way, and the two Redskins legends provide a sense of home and warmth. So long as you don't care about what's going on in the game, they are perfect. If you DO care what's going on the game, then they're both absolute garbage; I have lost count of the number of times they have called an interception a completed pass and vice-versa, and never in a way that works out for the Redskins. They seriously have no idea what's going on.[/quote]

i completely agree

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[quote=Coff;863866]Really? That's what's so great about a local broadcast team; [B]you're hearing the game called from a fellow fan's perspective[/B]. [B]So long as they stick to making objective reasonably objective observations,[/B] who cares that they openly root for the team you're rooting for?[/quote]

If I wanted another fan's perspective I can just go belly up to a bar somewhere.

When are they ever objective? That's my point.

When all they add to the game is "come D gotta stop 'em here", that's useless to me.

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The bottom line is that Snyder idolizes Sonny and would never fire him. And that's what seems to keep the whole booth together. This is the downside of having a lifelong fan as an owner. An owner who is not a fan looks at Sonny & Sam as 2 old man that are doing a bad job and need to go. Dan looks at them as legendary former Redskins...

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[quote=freddyg12;863705][B][U]Sonny & Sam are a comedy team![/U][/B] I know what yall are saying, they [B][U]should've hung it up years ago[/U][/B]. Still, their presence means something to me, I'll be sad when they're gone, they're part of old DC.[/quote]

So is Shananhan and Snyder.

Snyder has nothing to do with the radio team. Yes, he owns the station but his involvement is pretty much zero

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[quote=SmootSmack;863950]Snyder has nothing to do with the radio team. Yes, he owns the station but his involvement is pretty much zero[/quote]

I am sure your right on that, but I know if I were in charge of the Redskins radio team I would not want to be the one that fired Sonny. Everyone at that station knows that Sonny has Dan's ear and Dan owns the station. It has to factor in some way to explain how an obvious senile old man (Sam) is allowed to be on this radio broadcast. There is no other logical explanation...

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[quote=SmootSmack;863950]Snyder has nothing to do with the radio team. Yes, he owns the station but his involvement is pretty much zero[/quote]

Not according to the people that were working with Frank Herzog at the time SS.Rumor mill is Larry Michaels was his personel choice.

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The new replacements for Sonny and Sam.

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[quote=Giantone;863961]Not according to the people that were working with Frank Herzog at the time SS.Rumor mill is Larry Michaels was his personel choice.[/quote]

Well, as someone who actually was working directly with Frank at the time, I can tell you that's not true. Snyder had nothing to do with Herzog being replaced by Michaels. From Frank's mouth to my ears

Also

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/22/AR2010032202556.html]Pals reunite on-air with Frank Herzog, 'the voice' of the Redskins[/url]

Herzog explained later that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder wasn't behind his firing; he was dumped by radio station WJFK-FM, which then held the rights to broadcast Redskins games.

"It was a money thing," Herzog said. "They wanted to use one of their employees, who had other responsibilities, so they could save one salary." As for Snyder: "He did all he could. I saw him later, and he looked me in the eye and shook my hand and said: 'I don't interfere with the decisions of other companies. It's their call to make.' "

I think I once mentioned that I came close (about two years ago) to working the Redskins radio and online team. And honestly, the problems go beyond who's in the booth. It was a bit of a management mess. But Snyder was not even remotely involved in any of it

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[quote=SmootSmack;863966]Well, as someone who actually was working directly with Frank at the time, I can tell you that's not true. Snyder had nothing to do with Herzog being replaced by Michaels. From Frank's mouth to my ears

Also

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/22/AR2010032202556.html"]Pals reunite on-air with Frank Herzog, 'the voice' of the Redskins[/URL]

Herzog explained later that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder wasn't behind his firing; he was dumped by radio station WJFK-FM, which then held the rights to broadcast Redskins games.

"It was a money thing," Herzog said. "They wanted to use one of their employees, who had other responsibilities, so they could save one salary." As for Snyder: "He did all he could. I saw him later, and he looked me in the eye and shook my hand and said: 'I don't interfere with the decisions of other companies. It's their call to make.' "

I think I once mentioned that I came close (about two years ago) to working the Redskins radio and online team. And honestly, the problems go beyond who's in the booth. It was a bit of a management mess. But Snyder was not even remotely involved in any of it[/quote]



Cool, you are the man.

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On the other hand, he misses the Redskins. "If they were to ask me back, I'd think about it," he says. And after thinking about it, he adds, "Yeah, I'd go back."


Some of my other favorites

"He's got Monk in motion"
"Handoff Riggins left side big hole"!!
"If its inside the 20 its Didier time"

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[quote=mlmdub130;863865]they are on fm also. when was the last game you heard them call? it's not funny it's down right embarassing if you ask me. sam honestly does not know what is going on anymore, he is just up there saying what ever pops into his mind. it's not a matter of him being funny it's him losing his mind and no one having the balls to telll him it's time to hang it up, it's actually kind of pathetic and sad. i really hope this is his last year.[/quote]

I heard the first quarter or a little more of the Giants game when i was driving back from a wedding. I also tried to do the turn the tv volume off and turn the radio on thing earlier this year but it didnt work. So i havent listened to much at all this year.

I guess i view the the broadcast as nothing more then a novelty. If i was working or driving around on Sundays and only had that to listen to id probably be hating too....

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[quote=mlmpetert;864141]I heard the first quarter or a little more of the Giants game when i was driving back from a wedding. I also tried to do the turn the tv volume off and turn the radio on thing earlier this year but it didnt work. So i havent listened to much at all this year.

I guess i view the the broadcast as nothing more then a novelty. If i was working or driving around on Sundays and only had that to listen to id probably be hating too....[/quote]

yeah like coff said if you are looking for a few old guys shooting the s about redskins it's perfect, but if you actually want to have an idea of what is actually going on in the game you are s out of luck