Season Awards: Offensive MVP (skill positions)
 

It's slim pickings offensively but here are the nominees:

Patrick Ramsey: 62.1%, 1665 yards, 10 TD, 11 INT
Clinton Portis: 1315 yards, 3.8 ypc, 5 TD, 40 catches, 235 yards, 2 TD
Laveranues Coles: 90 catches, 950 yards, 1 TD
Chris Cooley: 37 catches, 314 yards, 6 TD

I have to go with Portis. He was basically our offense. Whenever he rushed for over 100 yds we won.......nuff said.

what about randy thomas or someone like that. none of our skill players really had that good a year to be mvp

The only guy who really came up big in all situations was Cooley, Portis had a pretty good year. Still on that side of the ball, there was really no one deserving of MVP. However, proboly Portis.

Cooley was the only guy who made plays for us consistently this year so I go with him.

as well as Cooley did this year, Portis ran for 1300 yards in an offense that didn't allow for him to be very successful. Defenses were gunning for him all year, and he did extremely well. Ramsey didn't play in half of the games this year, and Coles had an average year because of the fact the offense couldn't get the ball down the field.

I'll say Brunell (other). Not only was he so courageous but no one was more "offensive" than him. He offended the QB position, he offended our faith in the Joe Gibbs system, he offended our playoff chances...

Or I'll say Portis for many of the same reasons already posted.

I'd go with Portis for the same reasons already mentioned. He was our entire offense for the most part, despite having virutally no passing attack he grinded out 1300 yards.

With improvements to the line and passing game in 2005 he should easily bounce back to the 1500+ yard range.

[QUOTE=Big C]what about randy thomas or someone like that. none of our skill players really had that good a year to be mvp[/QUOTE]

that's another poll for another day ;)

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]The only guy who really came up big in all situations was Cooley, Portis had a pretty good year. Still on that side of the ball, there was really no one deserving of MVP. However, proboly Portis.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Portis was a VERY close second, but when a big play was needed or a touchdown, Cooley was the man.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]that's another poll for another day ;)[/QUOTE]


lol classic. yeah i voted for cooley, but classic.

Why is Ramsey on the list?

I pick Portis for MVP.

Portis, what's the discussion?

Cooley and Royal may have gotten us the touchdowns, but it was Portis who got us near the end zone. 1300 yds with no passers or catchers to really speak of, and it was essentially against "4-7" defenses up against the line just aiming at him.

not bad for a 200lber. imagine what he could do with Jansen back and a real center, plus a fully healthy Coles and a practiced Ramsey. can't wait to see.

gotta go with portis. he had more receptions than cooley did, more touchdowns, and lets not forget the 1300 rushing yards.

don't forget Coles' lone touchdown was a pass from...Portis

Sorry to say this, but it may well be Ray Brown. When training camp started, he was on pace to eat more corn chips than any retiree in history. Jansen gets injured, Ray gets signed, and we have the oldest non-kicking starter in the league mixing it up with kids little more than half his age.

Was he dominant? Well, nobody knocked him out of the lineup.

I think Portis like most of you...I find this interesting also. A lot of people on this site say we should trade him. He's going to be really dominant next year, and I imagine he'll get back to the probowl, especially when holes start to open because we'll have a better passing attack.

you should add passing touchdown to portis' numbers, so technically he had 8 on the year

I vote Cooley but really it's an award that no one deserves. But he certainly deserves it over Portis. I can't ever remember a 1300 yard back having a worse season than Portis. Portis had 1300 in the end but I saw every play and I don't think he had a very good season. Rarely a big carry when needed most and the fumbling at the begining of the season that may have cost 2 wins. There was only one game that i really felt like he took charge and won the game for us and that was Chicago. Before anyone gets their panties twisted I am not running him out of town, I just don't think he had a very good season. In fact I would not even vote him 2nd on that list.

[QUOTE=celts32]I vote Cooley but really it's an award that no one deserves. But he certainly deserves it over Portis. I can't ever remember a 1300 yard back having a worse season than Portis. Portis had 1300 in the end but I saw every play and I don't think he had a very good season. Rarely a big carry when needed most and the fumbling at the begining of the season that may have cost 2 wins. There was only one game that i really felt like he took charge and won the game for us and that was Chicago. Before anyone gets their panties twisted I am not running him out of town, I just don't think he had a very good season. In fact I would not even vote him 2nd on that list.[/QUOTE]


While my panties aren't twisted, I can't help but to ask you how 1300 yds are a bad season?

If you wouldn't vote him second, then who would you vote for?


When Portis ran for 100 yds, we won. I don't know what else to say...

Talking about offensive players. Alot of talk about trading samuels and how he is overated. Yesterday i read that he only gave up one sack this years. I was surprised myself to see that stat.

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]While my panties aren't twisted, I can't help but to ask you how 1300 yds are a bad season?

If you wouldn't vote him second, then who would you vote for?


When Portis ran for 100 yds, we won. I don't know what else to say...[/QUOTE]

Simple, he averaged 3.8 yards per carry. A quality NFL starting RB averages between 4 and 5 YPC. He needed 343 attempts to ammass his 1315 yards this season. By contrast he needed only 290 attempts to accumulate 1591 yards for Denver in 2003. Of the top 10 rushers in the NFL this year Portis had the lowest YPC. Seven out of the top 10 averaged at least 4.5 per carry. The 100 yards = win stat goes for all teams and all backs. Usually when a RB goes for 100 yards the team wins. This is not a stat that points to Portis's value just simply the value that running the football has in winning NFL gameplans. There are conservatively speaking at least 20 RB's in the NFL that could get 1300 yards in 343 carries. This is simply not a special season by any measn. Look I love the Redskins as much as anyone and I hope Portis is great next season but I just don't think he had a good season last year regardless of the 1300 yards.

[QUOTE=celts32]I vote Cooley but really it's an award that no one deserves. But he certainly deserves it over Portis. [B]I can't ever remember a 1300 yard back having a worse season than Portis. [/B] Portis had 1300 in the end but I saw every play and I don't think he had a very good season. Rarely a big carry when needed most and the fumbling at the begining of the season that may have cost 2 wins. There was only one game that i really felt like he took charge and won the game for us and that was Chicago. Before anyone gets their panties twisted I am not running him out of town, I just don't think he had a very good season. In fact I would not even vote him 2nd on that list.[/QUOTE]

What about the 2003 Curtis Martin? He had what like 1308 yards and ONLY 2 COUNT THEM 2 touchdowns!!!! Or what about Fred Taylor, 1224 yards and a whole 2 touchdowns, great season for him too!! If you ask me that is way worse than what Portis accomplished this season in this below average offense.

To answer the other question I would vote Ramsey second just because the offense got a little better when he took over. I think Portis lost 2nd place in my opinion becasue of the fumbles early in the season. I think he is directly accountable for 2 losses. Ramsey is not responsible for any losses really unless you pin the NY loss on him but he didn't even start that game.

[QUOTE=celts32]Simple, he averaged 3.8 yards per carry. A quality NFL starting RB averages between 4 and 5 YPC. He needed 343 attempts to ammass his 1315 yards this season. By contrast he needed only 290 attempts to accumulate 1591 yards for Denver in 2003. Of the top 10 rushers in the NFL this year Portis had the lowest YPC. Seven out of the top 10 averaged at least 4.5 per carry. The 100 yards = win stat goes for all teams and all backs. Usually when a RB goes for 100 yards the team wins. This is not a stat that points to Portis's value just simply the value that running the football has in winning NFL gameplans. There are conservatively speaking at least 20 RB's in the NFL that could get 1300 yards in 343 carries. This is simply not a special season by any measn. Look I love the Redskins as much as anyone and I hope Portis is great next season but I just don't think he had a good season last year regardless of the 1300 yards.[/QUOTE]


Fair enough Celts. I might not agree w/ you, but I respect your opinion. I hope you're right about next season.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]What about the 2003 Curtis Martin? He had what like 1308 yards and ONLY 2 COUNT THEM 2 touchdowns!!!! Or what about Fred Taylor, 1224 yards and a whole 2 touchdowns, great season for him too!! If you ask me that is way worse than what Portis accomplished this season in this below average offense.[/QUOTE]

Okay point well taken. You are reminding me of other bad seasons by RB's. This does not mean Portis had a good season though, it just means that there have been other RB's who have had less than steller seasons yet accumulated a lot of yards.

I don't hate Portis at all. i just don't think in any way he had a quality season. I think he would tell you himself he had a bad season. What are we trying to cover up here? Hopefully, next season with improved OL play Portis will once again be the dangerous RB that he was in Denver.

Put me down for Ramsey.

I know he wasn't exactly Big Ben this year, but like Celts said, when he came in the offense improved big time. I know there were other factors involved, but the bottom line is if we didn't have Ramsey we might have gone 0-16 this year. Don't think you can say that about any of the other nominees.

Good point CC, can you imagine if Brunell had played the entire season? I'm getting ill just thinking about it.

Did they even have a chance to MAKE Brunell jerseys? Wow, that's like having an XFL jersey.

(I have the official XFL football.:) )

portis over 100 we win when he wasn't we lose if that doesn't show the importance to a team I don't know what does.

Gotta say Portis cause without him wouldn't have even been 1 dimensional.

[QUOTE=celts32]Simple, he averaged 3.8 yards per carry. A quality NFL starting RB averages between 4 and 5 YPC. He needed 343 attempts to ammass his 1315 yards this season. By contrast he needed only 290 attempts to accumulate 1591 yards for Denver in 2003. Of the top 10 rushers in the NFL this year Portis had the lowest YPC. Seven out of the top 10 averaged at least 4.5 per carry. The 100 yards = win stat goes for all teams and all backs. Usually when a RB goes for 100 yards the team wins. This is not a stat that points to Portis's value just simply the value that running the football has in winning NFL gameplans. There are conservatively speaking at least 20 RB's in the NFL that could get 1300 yards in 343 carries. This is simply not a special season by any measn. Look I love the Redskins as much as anyone and I hope Portis is great next season but I just don't think he had a good season last year regardless of the 1300 yards.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right, celts32, and I also would have put Cooley, Ramsey and Portis in that order.

Cooley was a very pleasant surprise, and was the most reliable skill player on offense. He was consistent throughout the season, and promises to be an even more valuable component of the offense in years to come. I don't think anyone expected Cooley to perform as well as he did in his rookie year.

Ramsey would have been my second choice, since the offense really began to show progress once he settled into the starting role. Without Ramsey's development into a starter, this team would have lost all hope. I really believe his progress gave the team (particularly the wide receivers) a glimmer of hope that perhaps not all was lost, and kept them from giving up completely out of sheer disgust.

At any rate, this offense has a good core of young players to build around, and will make big strides next season if the O-line gets the necessary upgrades at center and perhaps guard, and maybe an upgrade (or addition by way of subtraction) at WR. I also expect that Portis will benefit tremendously from those improvements.

I can't wait to see what it will be like to have enough blocking to get the passing game going and then to see how many yards Portis runs for. I'm going to make a bold prediction like I did in pre-season when I said we would make it to the NFC Championship game. I bet Portis runs for 1600+ yards next season with a rejuvenated offensive line and passing game.

[QUOTE=celts32]Okay point well taken. You are reminding me of other bad seasons by RB's. This does not mean Portis had a good season though, it just means that there have been other RB's who have had less than steller seasons yet accumulated a lot of yards.

I don't hate Portis at all. i just don't think in any way he had a quality season. I think he would tell you himself he had a bad season. What are we trying to cover up here? Hopefully, next season with improved OL play Portis will once again be the dangerous RB that he was in Denver.[/QUOTE]
Just so everyone knows I did vote for Cooley, but I just dont see how Portis had a decent to good season only for the sloe fact that this offense is nothing like Denvers. Now I do understand that Gibbs used zone blocking at times, but still the offense is not the same. Portis got 1315 yards and 5 touchdowns on a brand new team in a brand new system with a brand new coach.

As for the other RB's that I mentioned they were already established on the team that they played for, nothing was new to them!!!

[QUOTE=Redskins8588] Portis got 1315 yards and 5 touchdowns on a brand new team in a brand new system with a brand new coach. [/QUOTE]

Good point. I agree 100%.

Portis did well getting over 1300 yards in a new system with little to no passing game and a O-line that I wouldn't say was bad, but certainly was not dominant. I expect better next season. At least the same amount of yards, but with fewer carries (due to splitting more with Betts combined with actually having a downfield passing game), which of course would give him a better average.
Ramsey provided the spark that we needed, and was 3-1 against teams not in the conference finals....4-0 if that fu#%ing last-minute fluke play in Dallass didn't happen....but I digress. He showed improvement, and that he can be a QB that manages the game and doesn't have to try to win it himself.
Cooley was basically the man that came out of nowhere. Some people expected him to be decent, but not as good as he was. And he's only gonna get better the more time he's in the system and as they design more plays around his strengths.
All that said, I'm torn on who to pick. I actually thought about "writing in" the Defense as offensive MVP because they always kept us in the game, but decided against it because until late in the season, they didn't score points like other dominant defenses tend to do.
I'll go with Portis since he still did pretty well despite the mediocre line play and lack of a passing game....which I expect both to be vastly improved next season.

Portis also was 3rd overall for yards from scrimage this season with 1550, he was behind Tiki Barber and Shawn Alexander.

Defenses stacked the box to such a degree that Portis had little room to run. Also the blocking schemes were not optimal for his talents as mentioned, though they began to change that. It's a team game and I wonder how many running backs would have gotten more yards under the same circumstances. I'm sure that Portis has responsibility as well, however, and could have played better. With Jansen and maybe a new center? he will be very significantly better next year with his yards per carry and total yards from scrimmage.

I'm preparing for anneurism when we finally see Portis run like we all know he can next year behind a rejuvenated line.