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Kyle Orton released by Denver. Shanahan have any interest?
My bet is he would rather go to Houston or Chicago. Finish out the year with potential playoff teams. Then next year hit the FA market.

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anybody who picks him up now has to pay 2.5 million so I hope the skins dont waste the money on him.Texans need to pick him up in case leinart doesnt work out,plus whos Leinart backup if he gets hurt

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Bears will grab him

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Houston's not interested. They may be signing....Kellen Clemens

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We have what 6 more games? I'd cut Beck, sign Orton and maybe if he knows enough of the plays by the last 2 games I'd start him to see if he's any better then Grossman.

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too late, no Orton here

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why bother with orton? seriously guys, you're bailing water with a thimble here...

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^ Too late for what? To change this season around? Agreed but he's gotta be better then Beck without any knowledge of the plays. We can see if he's worth keeping for next year with whatever Rookie we take.

Unless he was already claimed.

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Waiver claims are based off who has the worse record and the Skins record is worse then the Bears. However someone posted on another site the question that under the old CBA players who had been in the league over 4 yrs were not subject to the waiver wire, is the rule still in effect under the new CBA? Anyone should be able to sign him if he's not subject to it.

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It's being reported that there are a few teams higher on the waiver wire list ie; Colts, Miami, Skins, and Chiefs.

Media don't think the Chiefs will want him but the Colts, Miami, and Skins might be.

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If he falls to the Bears in the waiver wire, I'd think they would have to grab him. They've had a great season so far, and it could unravel quickly with Haine at the helm.

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WHy would you want Orton. He has 0 experience in this system, and would be about 1 year and a half behind the other two QBs. You think you've seen ugly football, try getting a QB (who's marginal at best) and throw him into a system with no experience or no practice. you guys really do want to tank the season. :laughing-

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We have great confidence in Rex and John, and shouldn't consider exploring other options.

/Shanahan

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[quote=GTripp0012;862491]We have great confidence in Rex and John, and shouldn't consider exploring other options.

/Shanahan[/quote]

This season is over bro. You might would have a point if this were the offseason. No use of bringing in the guy now.

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Orton isn't even good. The point is the Redskins are going to (I presume) pass on him now for the same reasons they passed on all quarterbacks with some skill before. They're more interested in finding the right guys to prove a point than they are in finding guys that can improve the offense.

But hey, Donte Stallworth: 4 targets, 4 catches with a TD on Sunday. You win this round, Mike Shanahan!

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/report-bears-will-claim-orton/]Report: Bears will claim Orton | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;862495]Orton isn't even good. The point is the Redskins are going to (I presume) pass on him now for the same reasons they passed on all quarterbacks with some skill before. [B][/B]They're more interested in finding the right guys to prove a point than they are in finding guys that can improve the offense.[B][/B]

But hey, Donte Stallworth: 4 targets, 4 catches with a TD on Sunday. You win this round, Mike Shanahan![/quote]

this is exactly correct sir....

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It's funny because this team would be in serious division contention if the Redskins didn't put a quarterback in that will never be considered a starting option again in this league. There is no way Rex Grossman would have lost 6 games in a row as a starter, just goes to show you what a failure this franchise has been the past 20 years. I bet he puts up big numbers the rest of the season and enters next year as starter and can't wait until we cut that loser Beck. What a wasted season that had so much hope.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;862514]It's funny because this team would be in serious division contention if the Redskins didn't put a quarterback in that will never be considered a starting option again in this league. There is no way Rex Grossman would have lost 6 games in a row as a starter, just goes to show you what a failure this franchise has been the past 20 years. I bet he puts up big numbers the rest of the season and enters next year as starter and can't wait until we cut that loser Beck. What a wasted season that had so much hope.[/quote]

Uh oh, Rex Grossman's mother is back. How dare they bench Grossman, all 4 of those picks against Philly were everybody else's fault.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;862514]It's funny because this team would be in serious division contention if the Redskins didn't put a quarterback in that will never be considered a starting option again in this league. There is no way Rex Grossman would have lost 6 games in a row as a starter, just goes to show you what a failure this franchise has been the past 20 years. I bet he puts up big numbers the rest of the season and enters next year as starter and can't wait until we cut that loser Beck. What a wasted season that had so much hope.[/quote]


I agree but Rex's last game against Philly was just plain stupid.. We had a chance if he didn't throw 4 Ints

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id bring him in if shannahan thinks he can be a starter next year so he'd have more time to learn the system. otherwise, no thanks.

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Does Orton's release mean the Broncos are gonna be in the hunt for a QB in the draft as well? I don't want any more competition for the Skins.

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[quote=Counter-Tre;862524]Does Orton's release mean the Broncos are gonna be in the hunt for a QB in the draft as well? I don't want any more competition for the Skins.[/quote]

They were anyway

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[quote=mooby;862516]Uh oh, Rex Grossman's mother is back. How dare they bench Grossman, all 4 of those picks against Philly were everybody else's fault.[/quote]

Can he control himself when we talk about drafting a fresh face at the QB position in next year's draft? :laughing-

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[quote=Counter-Tre;862524]Does Orton's release mean the Broncos are gonna be in the hunt for a QB in the draft as well? I don't want any more competition for the Skins.[/quote]

Why would they?
They already have the second coming of Bronko Nagurski.

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No, it's just funny because I was right that Grossman was going to start the season over Beck, and still correct that Grossman should have never been benched if this team had a clue. Look at the division, we would be in perfect contention if they didn't put in an incapable quarterback who had 14 completions to a rb, what a bum... I'm not opposed to drafting a quarterback, he just has to be good. But I think Rex should be the starter next season becuase you won't find anybody better. The rest of the team around Rex is what sucks, not Rex.

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The team was coming out of a bye week, they should have accepted that he was rusty, because the benching of Grossman is EXACTLY why the season is already over.

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Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. I hope I do get banned again, you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.

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Im cool w getting him and releasing Beck. Grossman is a FA next year so who knows what's gonna happen with him. And as pointed out in pft orton is a fa next year too so if we give him a shot, he fails and signs with another team well get a compensatory draft pick. why not take a chance, when theres only something to gain either way?

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[quote=jonny5dicky;862535]Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. I hope I do get banned again, you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.[/quote]

I too am a Grossman fan, though not to the extent you are. And I think it's a shame he didn't leave any doubt he should be the starter. I understand all interceptions are not his fault. But he made some pretty awful decisions against the Eagles in a game that could have catapulted us and ended their season all at once.

There's no question Rex is better than Beck and yeah we probably would have a better record with him as the starter. But he also had pneumonia and couldn't play anyway.

But anyway, I'd advise you not to say we're all idiots

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[quote=mooby;862516]Uh oh, Rex Grossman's mother is back. How dare they bench Grossman, all 4 of those picks against Philly were everybody else's fault.[/quote]

I hear what you are saying but that was really Grossman's first truly pitiful game as a skin. Tom Brady this year has had some games where he has looked absolutley like dog shit, and one or two games where he has thrown 4 interceptions, and nobody benched him. Sure i know its Tom Brady but I didn't think the skins were fair to Rex by benching him after his first truly poor game, for a guy who basically tanked our season.

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[quote=jonny5dicky;862535]Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. I hope I do get banned again, you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.[/quote]

I love you. No homo. I'm just so happy that someone can finally bring clarity to these boards. Please don't leave us.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;862548]I hear what you are saying but that was really Grossman's first truly pitiful game as a skin. Tom Brady this year has had some games where he has looked absolutley like dog shit, and one or two games where he has thrown 4 interceptions, and nobody benched him. Sure i know its Tom Brady but I didn't think the skins were fair to Rex by benching him after his first truly poor game, for a guy who basically tanked our season.[/quote]This is, uh, awkwardly stated, but I think there is truth in this to an extent. Quarterbacks in the NFL just don't get benched after a 3-1 start because of a 4 INT game unless they are getting benched for good.

I realize that Beck would have started the next week anyway because Grossman had pneumonia, but the switch was made because someone with decision making power in the Redskins organization really believed that John Beck could lead an NFL team for three or more months. That's not a switch you'd make at 3-2 to "see what Beck can do."

To his credit, Mike Shanahan hasn't shown a tendency to outright deny the reality of the situation when his quarterback goes out and plays himself out of a job (which is exactly what the Redskins did at RB this year first with Hightower, then with Torain), but the cold truth is that in the NFL, the ability to admit a mistake is not valuable if the only thing you do is make more mistakes.

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Orton was released, that should tell you something right there. Not only that, he was replaced with Tebow, a guy that can't pass to save his life yet. Orton is just another Grossman. Draft a couple promising QB studs next season and away we go!!!!!

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[quote=jonny5dicky;862535]Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. I hope I do get banned again, you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.[/quote]


That is 100% True on BECK.. But Rex is not the best we've had in 18 years, Brad Johnson , Mark Brunell and JC were all better

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[quote=GusFrerotte;862557]Orton was released, that should tell you something right there. Not only that, he was replaced with Tebow, a guy that can't pass to save his life yet. Orton is just another Grossman. Draft a couple promising QB studs next season and away we go!!!!![/quote]

It tells me two things.....

1- Cutler couldn't get along with the HC and apparently not able to perform in the system

and

2- Orton has not been able to perform in the system after being traded for Cutler.

Lastly, Tebow the next best thing since sliced bread, the QB a ton of fans here wanted the Skins to pick, can't seem to work well in the system.

Basically the system sucks. But thats Denvers problem. Our problem is Grossman is simply an average QB, Beck is below average, and Orton is better then both. I too want a QB out of the draft and recently have been thinking maybe a 1st round QB and maybe a later round QB. That way we have two and one should work out and both would be young. Unless Crompton is actually better and more accurate then our current starters then he can stick around long enough to play in Preseason.

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NO ORTON!!!!! I'd rather go the Broncos route and run the wild cat/read option with Royster, Helu, and 9 linemen than watch Orton try to throw the ball around. He stinks.

I'll take my chances with Sexy Rexy, maybe we can stumble into good Rexy a few more times. If anything cut beck and give Crompton a chance.

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[quote=mooby;862516]Uh oh, Rex Grossman's mother is back. How dare they bench Grossman, all 4 of those picks against Philly were everybody else's fault.[/quote]

LOL, ^this coming from John Becks father. lol. Look Sir, the team gave your son a legitimate chance.......he fumbled it.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;862594]NO ORTON!!!!! I'd rather go the Broncos route and run the wild cat/read option with Royster, Helu, and 9 linemen than watch Orton try to throw the ball around. He stinks.

I'll take my chances with Sexy Rexy, maybe we can stumble into good Rexy a few more times. If anything cut beck and give Crompton a chance.[/quote]


I'm gunna start off by saying I want the team to pick a QB in the draft. Both Grossman and Beck are not worth anything. I'll even go so far as to say I didn't think Orton should be our solution for QB next year and somewhere I even said Orton sucks. BUT..... I'm also brave enough to know that if the supporting cast is really good Orton is better then what we got now. I too would love to see what Crompton has to offer, but considering the make shift OL, the lack of decent WR's, our best RB's out, I doubt he shows anything. I'm also smart enough to know Orton wouldn't be brought in and thrown on the field because he would need to learn the plays, play calls, and get on the same page with the Center, WR's, and RB's.

But let's be serious here no way should Beck be sitting on this team. Either cut him and brin up Crompton and stick him in for a quarter here and there or pick up Orton and play him in 1or 2 games just to see how he would fair. If he's better then Grossman then cut Rex at the end of the season after you lock up Orton for a 1 yr deal. Then draft a QB. If the Rookie can play then play him if not you got Orton.

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Kyle Orton is a decent QB, but I doubt if Allen and Shanahan would try to claim him. Although I wouldn't mind Orton joining the Redskins, I doubt that he would have much chemistry with the Redskins receivers at this point in the season. It's better to keep going with Grossman.