Confession: I want the Skins to lose to Seattle.
 

Yes, I'm a horrible fan because I actually want the Skins to lose to Seattle.

I admit it. But, at least, my motive is as pure as the driven slush. It's because this season is lost, we're finally rebuilding, and I believe that this is the draft class where we will be able to acquire our Franchise QB - [U]if[/U] we have a high enough draft pick.

Since this season is lost, at this point there is no way that I want Seattle to finish with a worse record than ours. If they draft before we do, I can easily imagine them snatching away the QB we so desperately need. Let them win on Sunday and we'll score big in the draft.

Look, if Landry Jones and RGIII stay in school, that leaves us with one shot at our franchise QB - we need to draft Matt Barkley. There is no way we'll get him if Seattle (or Miami, for that matter) drafts ahead of us.

This season is lost, so forget about it. I actually hope we finish with the second worst record in the league and end up having our choice of Barkley, Landry, or RGIII. That way, no other team can get the next QB after the POS Colts draft Luck and we won't need to give up picks to move up. Plus we'll be drafting very high in the remaining rounds.

If we don't get the QB we need, we're all going to be miserable for a lot longer than the rest of this season.

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Idk about a new thread worthy K.I but I'm with ya on the losing aspect.. I of course want this team to compete and win ev game but I know thats not gonna happen so why not get our QB

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I wouldn't mind if this thread is taken down or merged.

I'm simply wondering if others share my shameful secret desire to lose enough now to get a Franchise QB so we can win big later.

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Skins could easily lose this game, they play horrible SEA historically. I too hope they lose, we need that draft pick desperately.

I realize MS and company can't think this way but as a fan I can!

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[quote=mredskins;862306]Skins could easily lose this game, they play horrible SEA historically. I too hope they lose, we need that draft pick desperately.

I realize MS and company can't think this way but as a fan I can![/quote]

We beat them in 2008.

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No offense, this seems like some of the logic that a few others on ES are having. Needless to say it's idiotic.


You actually have guys thinking you'll get a better draft pick the more you lose. Guess what? Just because you pick high, doesn't mean or guarantee that pick will ever pan out. Should I go down the list of top 5 QBs that have become bust? If there was a guarantee that we would score big on that draft pick then I could see the reasoning behind it. As it is though, the draft is a crap shoot. There are too many factors that are in play that determine whether a prospect fails at the next level. So why wish your team lose when there is so much uncertainty in a draft pick?

It's disheartening to see fans think they are looking at the "long run" of this franchise when they hope we lose out to secure a better draft pick. It's the current excuse they are using to justify wishing this team loses the remaining games. I would link you to some of the moronic ramblings, but stupidity is a disease that spreads unfortunately.

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Hell I'm going to this game and want the Skins to lose!!

...I just don't want Mike/Kyle involved in choosing our 1st rd pick...or any other.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862310]No offense, this seems like some of the logic that a few others on ES are having. Needless to say it's idiotic.


You actually have guys thinking you'll get a better draft pick the more you lose. Guess what? Just because you pick high, doesn't mean or guarantee that pick will ever pan out. Should I go down the list of top 5 QBs that have become bust? If there was a guarantee that we would score big on that draft pick then I could see the reasoning behind it. As it is though, the draft is a crap shoot. There are too many factors that are in play that determine whether a prospect fails at the next level. So why wish your team lose when there is so much uncertainty in a draft pick?

It's disheartening to see fans think they are looking at the "long run" of this franchise when they hope we lose out to secure a better draft pick. It's the current excuse they are using to justify wishing this team loses the remaining games. I would link you to some of the moronic ramblings, but stupidity is a disease that spreads unfortunately.[/quote]

Every pick can fail. Higher picks just do so [I]less[/I] than others.

The "violation of morals" argument against cheering for your team does have some credence. The argument that having a higher pick is not better than a lower pick has no credence. Between a 50% chance of "failing" and a 4% chance of making it, I'll take the 50%.

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I'll never root or wish for the Skins to lose during a game, but I've gotta say after the Cowboys game this week I didn't feel bad at all. A couple of more wins only hurts us at this point.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;862314]Every pick can fail. Higher picks just do so [I]less[/I] than others.

The "violation of morals" argument against cheering for your team does have some credence. The argument that having a higher pick is not better than a lower pick has no credence. Between a 50% chance of "failing" and a 4% chance of failing, I'll take the 50%.[/quote]

Yes but if that 4% chance of failing comes with a prolonged detriment factor it hurts exponentially more. Case in point, Oakland is just now recovering from Jamarcus Russell (see R. Leaf, A. Smith, etc). Had Russell been say a late first round draft pick with a 50% risk factor such as a campbell or ramsey, while the chance of failure is higher the brunt of such failure moving forward is significantly less of an impediment in recovering from said risk failure.

Therefore, I always go with value based decisions.

Albeit such risk factor analysis of award v. detriment for top 10 draft picks has been hedged with the new but yet to be applied slotting system.

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[quote=over the mountain;862318]Yes but if that 4% chance of failing comes with a prolonged detriment factor it hurts exponentially more. Case in point, Oakland is just now recovering from Jamarcus Russell (see R. Leaf, A. Smith, etc). Had Russell been say a late first round draft pick with a 50% risk factor such as a campbell or ramsey, while the chance of failure is higher the brunt of such failure moving forward is significantly less of an impediment in recovering from said risk failure.

Therefore, I always go with value based decisions.

Albeit such risk factor analysis of award v. detriment for top 10 draft picks has been hedged with the new but yet to be applied slotting system.[/quote]50% is for 1st round QBs. 4% is for QBs taken afterwards. These are estimates.
Russell is one of those 50% who fail. 4% failures are guys like Painter, Hoyer, John Beck.

Russell hurt them for three years, but his poor play is part of the reason why Darren McFadden and Rolondo McClain are on that team, both critical components on their respective side of the ball. For the GM making the pick, the only thing that might dissuade them from gambling like that on a QB is job security.

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I'm with you. This season is done. Get the young guys some experience, pack it in, get that high pick. We need the QB of the future. Winning only hurts us at this point.

In addition, since they've put the rookie wage scale into effect, a high round pick busting isn't nearly as detrimental to the team as they used to be.

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I dispise losing, but I'll be honest with you.... last week with Skins/Dallas week ... it just didn't have the same feel. I was pretty much resolved the Skins would lose and most likely lose bad. I watched Davis's fumble and then Dallas score and I left to do the brakes on my truck. I did listen by radio though. After the brakes I took the truck to Jiffy Lube and they had the game on so I was kinda stuck watching it. When I got home I finished watching the game.

I'll be happy if they win and happy if they lose at this point cause I really want the Skins to get a high draft pick, but I definitly don't want them to get blown out. If they keep it close and look like they are actually playing then I'll be interested but if they come out and show the typical 3 and out and a couple INT's I'll be pissed as usual.

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[quote=SBXVII;862327]I dispise losing, but I'll be honest with you.... last week with Skins/Dallas week ... it just didn't have the same feel. I was pretty much resolved the Skins would lose and most likely lose bad. I watched Davis's fumble and then Dallas score and I left to do the brakes on my truck. I did listen by radio though. After the brakes I took the truck to Jiffy Lube and they had the game on so I was kinda stuck watching it. When I got home I finished watching the game.

I'll be happy if they win and happy if they lose at this point cause I really want the Skins to get a high draft pick, [B]but I definitly don't want them to get blown out.[/B] If they keep it close and look like they are actually playing then I'll be interested but if they come out and show the typical 3 and out and a couple INT's I'll be pissed as usual.[/quote]

Bingo. I hate to see the team lose and get completely dominated by the other team. Hopefully that won't be the case next week, as I don't think Seattle is that great.

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wrong thread for this but I don't understand why RGIII won't come out? I hear that a lot, but seems like his stock is high, he is not an underclassman - i think- so what would keep him there?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;862321]50% is for 1st round QBs. 4% is for QBs taken afterwards. These are estimates.
Russell is one of those 50% who fail. 4% failures are guys like Painter, Hoyer, John Beck.

Russell hurt them for three years, but his poor play is part of the reason why Darren McFadden and Rolondo McClain are on that team, both critical components on their respective side of the ball. For the GM making the pick, the only thing that might dissuade them from gambling like that on a QB is job security.[/quote]

Wouldnt Russell a 1st overall draft pick have a 4% risk of not being successful vs a late 1st round pick who would have a higher 50% chance of not being successful?

other than that, i agree 100%.

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Try to win every game. If you end up going 7-9 or 6-10. Then you make the moves to get the pick when the time comes.. Never try to lose to get a better pick. Itll come back to bite you in the arse

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Isn't there like a 100% chance that any QB picked will have a 50% chance of failure?

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I don't think that the coaches or players should try to lose. But I want an emphasis on the young players getting experience. Fight hard, stay competitive. As a fan, I want a higher pick -- as a player or coach I would never ask them to not try their hardest.

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[quote=SBXVII;862338]Isn't there like a 100% chance that any QB picked will have a 50% chance of failure?[/quote]

No. where are you getting those numbers from? link please or it does not exist.

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[quote=Bucket;862337]Try to win every game. If you end up going 7-9 or 6-10. Then you make the moves to get the pick when the time comes.. Never try to lose to get a better pick. Itll come back to bite you in the arse[/quote]

Nope. At this point just lose out. Most of the starters are out anyway so it won't hurt anything. Plus I'd rather they be able to draft where they land vs. having to give up 2 or 3 picks to move up to get a QB.

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[quote=over the mountain;862332]Wouldnt Russell a 1st overall draft pick have a 4% risk of not being successful vs a late 1st round pick who would have a higher 50% chance of not being successful?

other than that, i agree 100%.[/quote]
Ack, I meant to say 4% chance of making it. My gaffes just keep on coming. Sorry about that.

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[quote=SBXVII;862338]Isn't there like a 100% chance that any QB picked will have a 50% chance of failure?[/quote]

Seems a tad off, considering so many developmental QBs taken in the late rounds don't amount to anything. Maybe it applies to 1st round QBs taken recently though.

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if i were a QB who thought i had a good chance to be the #1 overall draft pick in any year but the year in which luck enters the draft, i'd stay in college an extra year too. even with the rookie scale we have now, the #1 overall pick still gets a nice premium.

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[quote=Daseal;862340]I don't think that the coaches or players should try to lose. But I want an emphasis on the young players getting experience. Fight hard, stay competitive. As a fan, I want a higher pick -- as a player or coach I would never ask them to not try their hardest.[/quote]

Pretty much my feelings on the matter. Besides, most, if not all, players won't buy into tanking because of pride or losing their job.

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[quote=Mattyk;862317]I'll never root or wish for the Skins to lose during a game, but I've gotta say after the Cowboys game this week I didn't feel bad at all. A couple of more wins only hurts us at this point.[/quote]

This...

Anyone who Is acting like they are big diehard fans that hate to admit losing know it's good for our 2012 overall draft this team needs all the high picks it can get

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;862314]Every pick can fail. Higher picks just do so [I]less[/I] than others. ... The argument that having a higher pick is not better than a lower pick has no credence. [B]Between a 50% chance of "failing" and a 4% chance of failing, I'll take the 50%[/B].[/quote]

The problem is that it is not a 50% success rate v. a 4% success rate. Here are all the QB’s chosen in the first rounds since 2005 (I originally had the first 3 rounds but since the allegation is higher in the first round = higher success [i]and[/i] consider it a given that we will be picking a QB in the first round, I only included these QB’s):

[b]2011[/b]:
Cam Newton 1(1)
Jake Locker 1(8)
Blaine Gabbert 1(10)
Christian Ponder 1(12)

[b]2010[/b]:
Bradford 1(1)
Tebow 1(25)

[b]2009[/b]:
Stafford 1(1)
Sanchez 1(5)
Freeman 1(17)

[b]2008[/b]:
M. Ryan 1(3)
Flacco 1(18)

[b]2007[/b]:
JaMarcus Russell 1(1)
B. Quinn 1(22)

[b]2006[/b]:
Vince Young 1(3)
Matt Leinart 1(10)
Jay Cutler 1(11)

[b]2005[/b]
Alex Smith 1(1)
Aaron Rodgers 1(24)
Jason Campbell 1(25)

I’ll concede that Newton is a Keeper if we can concede that we really can’t make a call on Locker or Ponder but that Gabbert has been underwhelming and will probably be an average at best kinda guy.

With that said, of the QB’s pick in the top 10 we are left with Newton, Bradford, Stafford, Ryan (all of whom appear to be keepers), Sanchez (Nope), JaMarcus (uhhh….) Young, Lienart (Nope) Smith (I think he goes in the failed category b/c he would not last that long with this franchise) and Gabbert (maybe). So its less than that’s a 50% pass rate. With the washouts (Russell, Lienart, Young) being pretty epic.

Outside the top 10 we have Tebow, Freeman, Flacco, Quinn, Cutler, Rodgers & Campbell. Of these, only Quinn was a complete bust. The rest are starters of varying quality (and Tebow – not sure what to call him).

Looking at the top 5 QB's of those chosen in the 1st rounder, I would rate them as follows:
Rodgers (not top 5)
Ryan (top 5)
Cutler (not top 5)
Stafford (top 5)
Cam Newton (top 5)

Of the worst:
Russell (top 5)
Young (top 5)
Lienart (not top 5)
Quinn (not top 5)
Campbell (not top 5)

So the best of the best (Rogers) was a Not Top 5’er and the worst of the worst (Russell) was a Top 5’er.

All this shows to me, as NC_Skins is saying, is that the draft is a crap shoot. Given the odds, you aren’t significantly improving your chances by tanking.

Do your best, build a culture of hard work and “never say die” attitudes and you give a rookie a chance. Create a culture of losing and you will be doomed to the culture you create.

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[quote=Bucket;862337]Try to win every game. If you end up going 7-9 or 6-10. Then you make the moves to get the pick when the time comes.. Never try to lose to get a better pick. Itll come back to bite you in the arse[/quote]

It was not my intention to imply that the Skins coaches and players should try to lose. I don't think they should and I know that they won't.

What I posted was solely about how strongly I feel that we need, above all else, to get our Franchise QB in place in order to become contenders in the near future.

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They are going to take a QB in the 1st round. Is there anyone who doubts that? Really? If they don't I would suggest a fan revolt will occur. Even if we accept that Luck is as close to a sure thing as there is, I doubt we can get him without (a) absolutely tanking or (b) crippling the process by trading away the ability to continue building with youth.

So, given that (1) we will draft a 1st round QB; (2) it will not be Luck and (3) regardless of draft position, picking a Round 1 franchise QB is a crap shoot, I say we play hard, win as many games as possible so that the team doesn't "forget" how to do so and then get the best Round 1 QB available to us whereever we land in the draft.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;862358]The problem is that it is not a 50% success rate v. a 4% success rate. Here are all the QB’s chosen in the first rounds since 2005 (I originally had the first 3 rounds but since the allegation is higher in the first round = higher success [i]and[/i] consider it a given that we will be picking a QB in the first round, I only included these QB’s):

[b]2011[/b]:
Cam Newton 1(1)
Jake Locker 1(8)
Blaine Gabbert 1(10)
Christian Ponder 1(12)

[b]2010[/b]:
Bradford 1(1)
Tebow 1(25)

[b]2009[/b]:
Stafford 1(1)
Sanchez 1(5)
Freeman 1(17)

[b]2008[/b]:
M. Ryan 1(3)
Flacco 1(18)

[b]2007[/b]:
JaMarcus Russell 1(1)
B. Quinn 1(22)

[b]2006[/b]:
Vince Young 1(3)
Matt Leinart 1(10)
Jay Cutler 1(11)

[b]2005[/b]
Alex Smith 1(1)
Aaron Rodgers 1(24)
Jason Campbell 1(25)

I’ll concede that Newton is a Keeper if we can concede that we really can’t make a call on Locker or Ponder but that Gabbert has been underwhelming and will probably be an average at best kinda guy.

With that said, of the QB’s pick in the top 10 we are left with Newton, Bradford, Stafford, Ryan (all of whom appear to be keepers), Sanchez (Nope), JaMarcus (uhhh….) Young, Lienart (Nope) Smith (I think he goes in the failed category b/c he would not last that long with this franchise) and Gabbert (maybe). So its less than that’s a 50% pass rate. With the washouts (Russell, Lienart, Young) being pretty epic.

Outside the top 10 we have Tebow, Freeman, Flacco, Quinn, Cutler, Rodgers & Campbell. Of these, only Quinn was a complete bust. The rest are starters of varying quality (and Tebow – not sure what to call him).

Looking at the top 5 QB's of those chosen in the 1st rounder, I would rate them as follows:
Rodgers (not top 5)
Ryan (top 5)
Cutler (not top 5)
Stafford (top 5)
Cam Newton (top 5)

Of the worst:
Russell (top 5)
Young (top 5)
Lienart (not top 5)
Quinn (not top 5)
Campbell (not top 5)

So the best of the best (Rogers) was a Not Top 5’er and the worst of the worst (Russell) was a Top 5’er.

All this shows to me, as NC_Skins is saying, is that the draft is a crap shoot. Given the odds, you aren’t significantly improving your chances by tanking.

Do your best, build a culture of hard work and “never say die” attitudes and you give a rookie a chance. Create a culture of losing and you will be doomed to the culture you create.[/quote]

I notice you cut off the year before 2004...include it and I'd say its 50%. Include top third of the draft hits vs misses and not top third hits vs misses. The higher up you go, the vast more chances you have of success.

I'd say even if it was a 30% hit ratio (which I believe it to be much higher), it is still roughly 8 times more likely to hit than any other qb taken in any other round. Don't split hairs, its clear that the far and away best chance of getting a quality qb is to pick as early as possible. We can pray for an undrafted tom brady, but I wouldn't bank on it, I'd lay my bed with a top pick.

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At this point, I don't mind if they lose. I guess you should not tank but how much would, lets get crazy here and say winning out, help this team?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;862358]The problem is that it is not a 50% success rate v. a 4% success rate. Here are all the QB’s chosen in the first rounds since 2005 (I originally had the first 3 rounds but since the allegation is higher in the first round = higher success [i]and[/i] consider it a given that we will be picking a QB in the first round, I only included these QB’s):

All this shows to me, as NC_Skins is saying, is that the draft is a crap shoot. Given the odds, you aren’t significantly improving your chances by tanking.

Do your best, build a culture of hard work and “never say die” attitudes and you give a rookie a chance. Create a culture of losing and you will be doomed to the culture you create.[/quote]It is my fault for tossing out a concrete number and not specifying a range. 33% to 45% is still pretty good.
Imo, 11th is still a high pick. Hence, I'd bunch Cutler with the group Leinart is in.

What if we add a few more drafted QBs to look at though...

In 2004
[B]1st [/B]Eli
[B]4th[/B] Rivers
[B]11th [/B]Roethlisberger
[B]22nd[/B] Losman

In 2003
[B]1st[/B] Carson Palmer
[B]7th[/B] Leftwich
[B]19th[/B] Boller
[B]22nd [/B]Grossman

In 2002
[B]1st[/B] Carr
[B]3rd [/B]Harrington
[B]32nd[/B] Ramsey

In 2001
[B]1st [/B]Vick

In 2000
[B]18th [/B]Chad Pennington

There are 8 more "high" picks to add to the ten you have mentioned. 4 hits and 4 duds, assuming Vick is considered a dud. This would increase the percentage from 40% to ~44%

There are 5 "lower" picks to add to the seven you have mentioned. All of them not franchise material. Your percentages for lower round guys plummets to 50%, 42%, or 33% depending on whether Tebow and Campbell are considered studs or not.

And yes, if we included 1999, the success percentage for "high" QBs decreases big time. At the same time though, very few late 1st round QBs were taken in the 90s, and those that were taken did very little of consequence.

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As long as they play hard is all I ask. Because it's not just draft picks. I also want our current free agents and potential free agents from other teams to know that if they come here or stay here we will compete

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The QBs that have been selected since '98 draft in the top 10. I left off the past two years because it's too soon to say they are good or bad. I went back to '98 since that basically covers the possible career span of a franchise QB. Out of this list, I would pick 5 guys that are elite QBs that I would want leading my team. (6 if you count Palmer before his injury) That's a 25% rate on picking QBs in the top 10.



1998-
1st Peyton Manning
2nd Ryan Leaf

1999-
1st Tim Couch
2nd Donovan McNabb
3rd Akili Smith

2001 -
1st Vick

2002-

1st David Carr
3rd Joey Harrington

2003-

1st Carson Palmer
7th Byron Leftwich

2004-
1st Eli Manning
4th Phillip Rivers

2005-
1st Alex Smith

2006
3rd Vince Young
10th Matt Leinart

2007-
1st JaMarcus Russell

2008-
3rd Matt Ryan

2009-
1st Matthew Stafford
5th Mark Sanchez

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Last year, I thought the Skins had to pick a quarterback in the first round. It didn't happen. I'm not confident that Mike/Kyle Shanahan are good talent evaluators, especially at the quarterback position. They gave up on Jason Campbell without giving him a try. Gave away too many draft picks for Donovan McNabb and then gave up on McNabb little over a half of a season. Now they are flip floppiing between Grossman and Beck. I don't think they have a clue how to evaluate quarterback talent.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862386]The QBs that have been selected since '98 draft in the top 10. I left off the past two years because it's too soon to say they are good or bad. I went back to '98 since that basically covers the possible career span of a franchise QB. Out of this list, I would pick 5 guys that are elite QBs that I would want leading my team. (6 if you count Palmer before his injury) That's a 25% rate on picking QBs in the top 10.



1998-
1st Peyton Manning
2nd Ryan Leaf

1999-
1st Tim Couch
2nd Donovan McNabb
3rd Akili Smith

2001 -
1st Vick

2002-

1st David Carr
3rd Joey Harrington

2003-

1st Carson Palmer
7th Byron Leftwich

2004-
1st Eli Manning
4th Phillip Rivers

2005-
1st Alex Smith

2006
3rd Vince Young
10th Matt Leinart

2007-
1st JaMarcus Russell

2008-
3rd Matt Ryan

2009-
1st Matthew Stafford
5th Mark Sanchez[/quote]

You're mixing the facts with your opinions. The fact is that nine of those players are currently the 1st string QB for their teams. Plus several of them are currently backups and one of the backups, Donovan McNabb, had an outstanding career as a starter. So, that's ten QB's who became NFL starters, which is a success rate of greater than 50%.

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I was hoping we'd beat Dallas, but, I was not upset that we lost. Yes, we need Luck or the next best thing.

I'm not sure the Colts would draft Luck. Of course, they will play the game, and try to get as much value for the pick as they can. It's a big if, but assuming Manning will be ok w/ his health, he's got a good 4-5 years I would think.

Miami will finish w/ more wins than us. Seatle...not sure. The problem is, if St Louis or other teams pick before us, someone could trade up for a qb like Barkley.

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I don't ever want this team to lose. Draft pick(s) be damned. Losing becomes a mindset and is a cancer against the team's foundations of pride, poise, discipline, respect and honor. You can't respect yourself or your team mates if you are paid to perform and win and don't do everything you can to prepare and execute a winning effort. You certainly pay no honor to those Redskins before you who gave it their all and came out with their heads held high. My respect for this team would be diminished if they played to win a draft pick instead of a game. I guess my priorities are different than most...

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Losing doesn't help mentalities and mindsets, but the Skins have already had a losing culture for the last 2 decades (minus a few blips here and there)!

Not saying tank, but to think if we do well the rest of this year we would be able to instill/maintain a winning culture is naive. We have a huge hole to dig out of, and it will take another 2-3 years. At least.

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It's a sick feeling but I want them to lose also...but I fear that if they do lose out it could prompt Snyder to do something stupid and pull the plug on Shanny/Allen which would be devastating IMO.