Jets Trainer Trips Miami Player
 

I saw this at lunch and could not believe that a trainer would try this on national TV. What do you think should happen to him? I thinking a heavy fine and I'd fire him if I owned the Jets.

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/New-York-Jets-trainer-apologizes-for-tripping-Miami-Dolphin-121310]New York Jets trainer 'wasn't thinking' during tripping of Miami Dolphin - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

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Total bush league move, at the very least he needs a heavy fine and a suspension.

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Was it something that should ruin his career? If the Jets player had been seriously injured, certainly. Since he wasn't, however, I would say he should be suspended (without pay) by the league for the year (including playoffs) and then leave it up to the Jets to determine whether he should be fired.

Could not believe it when I saw it. To call it "bush league" is an insult to bush leagues.

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anyone buying into the theory that the jets as a whole organization are out of control and it all trickles down from their old-school ballcoach rex?

i wasnt buying it before, it was mentioned with the whole female hispanic reporter incident but now . . . .idk man. it seems the whole organization has embraced the rex ryan "say and do what you want" tough guy mantra.

raven players said rex would get them all pumped up and theyd be willing to run thru a brick wall for the man. he seems to instill that "do whatever is necessary" approach. his S&C coach just got caught up in the rex ryan hype machine.

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I couldn't believe it when I first seen it. That is just disrespectful to the Game.

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Poop, just plain poop.

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Definitely should be fined and possibly suspended for at least a game.

This situation is reminiscent of the move Woody Hayes made in the Gator Bowl against Clemson. He lost control and struck Charley Bauman, a linebacker immediately after Bauman intercepted an Ohio State pass, sealing the victory for the Tigers. The move ultimately cost Woody his job.

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How does this guy still have a job? If the Jets don't have the guts to fire him then the league should help them out and do it for them. This was disgusting and as a strength and conditioning coach you're obviously somewhat of an important figure but not enough where you can get away with crap like this while still keeping your job.

Give me his head on a silver platter. Let him open up a Golds Gym somewhere but take him out of that top 6 figure tax bracket. He obviously doesn't deserve to be there.

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Yeah that was such a dirty move. And it was completely obvious too, the camera was able to catch him bending his knee in while trying not to act suspicious. He did the right thing by acknowledging it and taking blame and responsibility for it, but it doesn't excuse it in any way. He could've caused serious damage to that kid playing gunner. I think a fine/suspension will be fine, but I wouldn't be suprised if the league sets a harsh precedent so that further incidents will be avoided.

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I think he should be fired, and receive a ban from the NFL that can be reviewed after a few seasons. He could have ended the player's career with a stunt like that. Rex Ryan has to fire this guy to save any credibility he has left...

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[quote=over the mountain;768507]anyone buying into the theory that the jets as a whole organization are out of control and it all trickles down from their old-school ballcoach rex?

i wasnt buying it before, it was mentioned with the whole female hispanic reporter incident but now . . . .idk man. it seems the whole organization has embraced the rex ryan "say and do what you want" tough guy mantra.

raven players said rex would get them all pumped up and theyd be willing to run thru a brick wall for the man. he seems to instill that "do whatever is necessary" approach. his S&C coach just got caught up in the rex ryan hype machine.[/quote]

I've said it from the beginning. Ryan is a no class act. IMHO, his brand/style of coaching produces results in the short term as players get pumped up by the "us against the world / no one can tell us how to act" schtick. Then the players realize that "hey, we don't have to listen to you either coach". Pretty soon the inmates will be running the asylum.

Didn't like his father, don't like him. Apple clearly didn't fall far from the tree.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;768549]I think he should be fired, and receive a ban from the NFL that can be reviewed after a few seasons. He could have ended the player's career with a stunt like that. Rex Ryan has to fire this guy to save any credibility he has left...[/quote]

Ryan should be fined too. In fact, the organization should too. 30 years of watching pro ball and NEVER have I seen anything like that. (but then, that could just be my memory/sanity slowly ebbing away....)

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[quote=JoeRedskin;768551]Ryan should be fined too. In fact, the organization should too. 30 years of watching pro ball and NEVER have I seen anything like that. (but then, that could just be my memory/sanity slowly ebbing away....)[/quote]

It's happened before in college football. I don't know the exact story, but I think it goes: A running back for Rice? Not sure if they said the college was Rice or not, but this running back broke away for what looked like a 95 yard touchdown, and some guy who was on the opposing team but was standing on the sideline, came in and hit him so he couldn't score the touchdown, and the ref awarded a touchdown to Rice anyways. It mentions it in the ESPN blogs I think. Anyways it happened back in like '56 or something so I wouldn't be suprised if but a couple people remembered it.

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[quote=mooby;768623]It's happened before in college football. I don't know the exact story, but I think it goes: A running back for Rice? Not sure if they said the college was Rice or not, but this running back broke away for what looked like a 95 yard touchdown, and some guy who was on the opposing team but was standing on the sideline, came in and hit him so he couldn't score the touchdown, and the ref awarded a touchdown to Rice anyways. It mentions it in the ESPN blogs I think. Anyways it happened back in like '56 or something so I wouldn't be suprised if but a couple people remembered it.[/quote]

There was actually a much more blatant version of it in football. Can't remember if it was pro or college but it was during the days of black and white. A player was actually make a wide open run for the end zone when a player from the opposing team ran off the sideline and tackled the runner.

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Suspended for the season, fined $25k

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/13/jets-say-there-is-no-place-in-the-game-for-alosis-behavior/]Jets say “there is no place in the game” for Alosi’s behavior | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;768690]Suspended for the season, fined $25k

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/13/jets-say-there-is-no-place-in-the-game-for-alosis-behavior/]Jets say “there is no place in the game” for Alosi’s behavior | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I think thats a fair penalty but IMO he should never be allowed on the sideline again.

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[quote=Mattyk;768690]Suspended for the season, fined $25k

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/13/jets-say-there-is-no-place-in-the-game-for-alosis-behavior/"]Jets say “there is no place in the game” for Alosi’s behavior | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]


If he was not caught I could see Rex and company patting this guy o nthe back, especially after I saw them on Hard Knocks. This team is quickly becoming one of my least favorites.

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does he really NEED to be on the sideline anyway? should have been fired. the players are the product. the guy could have been injured

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[quote=dmek25;768715]does he really NEED to be on the sideline anyway? should have been fired. the players are the product. the guy could have been injured[/quote]

This seems like something that came from Rex Ryan's leadership and the general attitude he brings to the organization. He is vulgar, seems classless...and it trickles down throughout the whole staff and the players. The Jets have been in trouble several times this season. Sure, the reporter "issue" did seem to be more of a creation of that attention-seeking woman...they still acted in a way that allowed her to get her desired-result, a blowup in the media.

The Jets are sinking to Belichick levels.

I think he should have been fired, but the Jets trotting him out to apologize without taking any actions makes it appear that may have approved of, or at least not been offended his actions. He definitely got off lightly. Sure the money is a huge chunk of his paycheck at his salary...but he should be out of a job for that crap.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;768624]There was actually a much more blatant version of it in football. Can't remember if it was pro or college but it was during the days of black and white. A player was actually make a wide open run for the end zone when a player from the opposing team ran off the sideline and tackled the runner.[/quote]

Woody Hayes? :benched:

There's a famous B&W incident from a Michigan-OSU games in 1971 where Buckeye coach Woody Hayes blew up...not sure if that's the incident or not.

Here's another one of his "highlights":


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He could have really hurt the guy. I would ban him for two years from the NFL. I hope the NFL fines the Jets 250K+ and takes a way a draft pick. This is completely unacceptable.

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Here's a player who came off the bench to make a tackle...funny:
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[URL="http://www.ricefootball.net/tackle.htm"]Story about play: Dickie Maegle tackle[/URL]



Also a list...a coach made a tackle at#7 on the list:
[URL="http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/wildcoaches.html"]ESPN.com - Page2 - The List: Coaches gone wild[/URL]

7. Fairfield coach tackles opposing player
November 1978. Fairfield (Connecticut) University led Western New England College 15-14 in the third quarter. Western New England's Jim Brown, returning a kickoff, had eluded every Fairfield defender and appeared to be on his way to a touchdown. Then, Fairfield coach Ed Hall ran out and tackled Brown at midfield. "Are you out of your mind, coach?" said Brown. "I guess I am," said Hall.
Hall, then 48, had played running back and defensive back for the University of Bridgeport in his prime, about two decades earlier. Brown was credited with an 84-yard TD run. The ref tossed Hall from the game.
"Something just happened to me," said Hall, "and the next thing I knew, the referee was standing over me and screaming at me to get out of the game. As I started walking to the rear of the bleachers, with the crowd booing me, I broke down and cried."
Even weeks later, Hall couldn't explain what happened. "I've been coaching for 22 years, and there have been many instances where opposing players have run right in front of me. But I never had a strong impulse to tackle them."

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I give Mr. Alosi credit for being a man, immediately stepping up and admitting he did it instead of playing the plausable deniability game that so many people do nowadays in sports. "we had a different interpretation of the rules", "the illegal substance must have come from an over the counter cold medicine", "the steak i ate last night must have had hormones in it", or the best "i have a rare disorder called over-trained athlete syndrome".

on teh flip side, i firmly believe those guys standing in line right at the edge were there to act as an interference, they would claim they were in the space they are allowed to be, it just so happened that they formed a line as close as they legally could be. i believe this instruction came from a higher up coach, that the same dolphin player whad run down the sideline earlier in the game, and Alosi took things to far. which i understand, hes explanation of he just wasnt thinking i believe. weve all done things without thinking then a second later just cant beleive what we had done.

i applaud Mr. Alosi for standing up like a man but when an organizatin like the jets pushes the envelope of what is legal, you have to know that sometimes things are going to get pushed to far. you cant play on that fine line and not cross over sometimes.

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While I agree with the general sentiment of your post - particularly as it applies to the Jets organization. I don't give Alosi much credit for his lack of denial (some, but not a whole lot).

It's easy to "man up" when your caught on film. Plausible deniability? The tape clearly shows him watching the runner approach and bending his knee [I]just[/I] as the runner is passing him. In light of the video, if [I]anything[/I] he could say would constitute a credible denial to you, then you and I have very different ideas on the meaning of "plausible".

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[quote=JoeRedskin;768825]While I agree with the general sentiment of your post - particularly as it applies to the Jets organization. I don't give Alosi much credit for his lack of denial (some, but not a whole lot).

It's easy to "man up" when your caught on film. Plausible deniability? The tape clearly shows him watching the runner approach and bending his knee [I]just[/I] as the runner is passing him. In light of the video, if [I]anything[/I] he could say would constitute a credible denial to you, then you and I have very different ideas on the meaning of "plausible".[/quote]

Yeah, it did seem like a canned, public apology that we see every time someone gets caught these days. The owner's wife probably wrote it for him.

If he went to the player right after the game, on the field, on his own and not pushed by anyone else to do it...that could be accepted as a sincere apology. He probably didn't intend for the player to get hurt, but it's still a dumb thing to do in the first place.

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Also, did he immediately step up? Was he the first guy down to Nolan? Did he even approach him to make sure he was alright while he was lying on the field? Did Alosi approach Nolan as he got up to walk away? No. Only after the game, when it was common knowledge he had been caught on film, that Alosi apologized. Maybe it was sincere - we'll never know b/c it wasn't immediate.

He pulled a cowardly act and, as far as I know, acted cowardly immediately afterword. Sure, it's hard to "man up" right away but, to get credit from me for "being a man", you do the hard thing not the easy one. Alosi had an opportunity to show remorse w/out the taint of "oops you caught me" and didn't avail himself of it.

Due to the unsportsmanlike and dangerous nature of the underlying act, and Alosi's failure to show immediate (or nearly immediate) demonstrable remorse, everything Alosi does later is questionable to me.

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[quote=Longtimefan;768528]Definitely should be fined and possibly suspended for at least a game.

This situation is reminiscent of the move Woody Hayes made in the Gator Bowl against Clemson. He lost control and struck Charley Bauman, a linebacker immediately after Bauman intercepted an Ohio State pass, sealing the victory for the Tigers. The move ultimately cost Woody his job.[/quote]


I think this is worse than the Woody Hayes meltdown. At least it was a dead ball when Hayes went upside the Clemson LB. Here it was a live ball...

I think the closest analogy to last weekend's play is the 1954 Cotton Bowl where an Alabama player on the bench came off the bench to knock down Rice RB, Dicky Moegle, who was running free for a TD.

BTW Rice clobbered Alabama in that game. Times have changed since 1954 in terms of college football programs...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;768825] In light of the video, if [I]anything[/I] he could say would constitute a credible denial to you, then you and I have very different ideas on the meaning of "plausible".[/quote]

weve heard some far fetched "deniability" coming out off athletes mouths lately. but no, i dont see or cant imagine what story he could come up with that would reach the level of plausability. i guess im giving him credit for not even trying it, clear and convincing evidence aside.

i thought he came out and said he did it almost immediately after the game as well.

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[quote=over the mountain;768856]weve heard some far fetched "deniability" coming out off athletes mouths lately. but no, i dont see or cant imagine what story he could come up with that would reach the level of plausability. [B]i guess im giving him credit for not even trying it[/B], clear and convincing evidence aside.

i thought he came out and said he did it almost immediately after the game as well [/quote]

Fair enough. We just disagree on the value of his actions afterword.

Sure, he came up after the game but by that time I am sure it was all over the Jets sideline, the Miami sideline and the airwaves. [I]Everyone[/I] knew exactly who did it [If I was the owner, I'd have had the guy off the sideline and in my box sooner than pronto].

The only time he could have acted w/out the influence of outside pressure was immediately or very nearly immediately after the act. Very shortly after that, anything he did had some level of outside pressure and he did only what he "had" to do in the face of that pressure. So, does he get credit for not concocting some implausible lie in the face of incredible pressure to do the right thing? Okay. Some. A tiny tiny bit - He didn't make his original despicable act worse.

But, if that's the standard for "being a man" about our actions, we are setting the bar pretty damn low.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;768848]I think this is worse than the Woody Hayes meltdown. At least it was a dead ball when Hayes went upside the Clemson LB. Here it was a live ball...

I think the closest analogy to last weekend's play is the 1954 Cotton Bowl where an Alabama player on the bench came off the bench to knock down Rice RB, Dicky Moegle, who was running free for a TD.

BTW Rice clobbered Alabama in that game. Times have changed since 1954 in terms of college football programs...[/quote]

Old Woody punched one of his OWN players too.

Crazy man was fired for that. :spank:


Woody Hayes had a history of neurotic meltdowns on the field, so perhaps in total, he was worse, but the crap this Jets coach pulled is a severe offense on its own.

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apparently the jets S&C coach Aliosi instructed players to form a line to make the opposing gunner have to run around them in the dolphins game. a jets player said they had been instructed to do so since the beginning of the season but it was only Aliosi who had told them so. HC Rex and jets ST coach denied knowing anything about it.

Aliosi is suspended indefinitely now instead of suspended for remainder of season.

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I just have a sense that this story is not going away just yet and that more "stuff" is going to surface. No inside info here, no anonymous sources, just a hunch...

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So much for "being a man" about the whole thing:

General manager Mike Tannenbaum said Wednesday that [B]Alosi, the team's strength and conditioning coach, did not initially acknowledge that he ordered players to stand that way during the investigation Monday[/B].

"As we continued our investigation, we discovered some new information," Tannenbaum said in a conference call from the NFL owners meetings in Dallas, "and the players at the Miami game were instructed by Sal to stand where they were to force the gunner in the game to run around them."

Read more: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/12/15/sal-alosi-wall.ap/index.html#ixzz18FJFymKv]Jets suspend Sal Alosi indefinitely for ordering wall - NFL - SI.com[/url]

Guy's a slimeball. Shouldn't be in the NFL.

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im tired of people being condensending on here. peace

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[quote=over the mountain;769477]im tired of people being condensending on here. peace[/quote]

Say what?

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[quote=over the mountain;769299]HC Rex and jets ST coach denied knowing anything about it.[/quote]

BS. I don't think for a second that strength coach acted alone.

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[quote=DM72;769482]BS. I don't think for a second that strength coach acted alone.[/quote]

I totally agree. I think a lot of this has to do with protecting Rex and keeping what he knew or told people to do from being found out.

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You mean to tell me Rex Ryan and that crazy ass teams coach knew nothing about this? I find that very very hard to believe.

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The same guys standing on the sideline, toe to toe, on every punt and the Head Coach never notices?

yup. I believe it. Sounds like plausible deniability to me!

(ooops, I am condensing again).

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We all know he wanted to pawn a Super Bowl Ring on ebay...at any cost.