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In a very high number of ways, the defense that took the field against Dallas was a lot like the Redskins defense of years past. The game plan was to bend, but to not break. To try and prevent the big play. Hey, let's create some turnovers! And to an extent, none of this is surprising because a lot of the players are the same guys who have been playing on this defense for many years.

From an outcome based approach, the difference between this defensive game and any game that Greg Blache called against Dallas was simply a DeAngelo Hall strip and return that gave the Redskins their only TD. Hall may be the one guy on the defense who could have done that last year and wouldn't have looked painfully out of his element doing so. The story was pretty much the same: conceed first downs, prevent big plays (71 out of 75 plays for Dallas went for 15 yards or fewer), let the oddly-conservative offense that Dallas runs stay on the field, and the Redskins offense on the sideline. The only way the defensive outcome is different last year is that last year, Dallas almost certainly pulls that game out at the end.

From a process-based approach, things could not have been more different. The corners were excellent. All of them. DeAngelo Hall had his best or second best game as a Redskin: at least his best since 2008. Carlos Rogers was, for this game at least, back to early 2008 coverage number levels. His break-up of a Roy Williams pass in the third quarter where Romo had better protection than any other play of this game was excellent. The best play in run support, maybe by any Redskin in this game, was made on a third and two toss play by...Byron Westbrook. But the most pleasant surprise on defense may have been the play of Philip Buchanon.

The corners were better than the safeties. Three safeties played in the game for the Redskins. Chris Horton didn't play any snaps in the box, and thus, wasn't a particularly useful player when he was on the field. I thought Reed Doughty and LaRon Landry were both hit and miss. Both made their plays: Landry made many more plays, including multiple touchdown saving tackles. Ultimately the difference in their days was circumstancial. LaRon Landry needs to be an impact player on the pass rush to have value in the box, and in this game, he had one pressure on Tony Romo in the second quarter on a beautifully designed blitz. He had more opportunities than that to make a play and simply did not. I loved his game against the run, however. He was our best run defender in this game, including linebackers and defensive lineman. Doughty didn't make any plays against the run, because he is playing Landry's old position. I don't know what Jim Haslett's defensive terminology is, but what showed up on tape in this game was a fairly traditional "free" and "strong" safety. The free was hardly ever in the box. The strong was out of the box plenty. Doughty, I thought, was good in coverage, though if he doesn't take the bait on that run action at the goal line, Romo is at least going to have to look somewhere else besides Miles Austin. Hall thought he had help on that play, and he was right to believe that.

This defensive line could be a problem. Last year, man for a man, we were better than other teams and other lines we played. This year, we have just a couple of match-up advantages on the DL. Adam Carriker didn't play a ton of snaps, but was healthy and effective when he played. Kedric Golston had one play on the goal line when he shed Doug Free and blew up the play in the backfield. Otherwise, he wasn't anywhere to be found on the tape. Phillip Daniels had a single pressure on Tony Romo, but even that comes with the cavaet that he's just not athletic enough anymore to go get a quarterback. Vonnie Holliday, who was the only defensive lineman used in our pass rush scheme -- which is awesome, by the way -- had himself two pressures. Holliday is the best pass rusher this team has on the DL not named "Haynesworth", but understand that his role is circumstancial. If this is the way things are, he's going to kill the rest of the DL in pressures because of his usage on third downs. Haynesworth made two or three hustle plays in this game, but he was fairly decisively neutralized by the Cowboys defensive line. The Cowboys ran the ball nearly every time he was in the game, so don't blame Albert for the lack of pass rush early.

Schematically, the Cowboys decided that Hall was the weak link of our defense, and they designed a lot of plays to force him to make open field tackles against bigger opponents. He passed the test. Carlos Rogers had 8 targets for 36 yards allowed (4.5 YPT). Hall had 16 targets (the most I've ever charted for a single player in a game) for 88 yards (5.5 YPT). Phillip Buchanon gave up just one yard on three targets. Even though Miles Austin beat everyone on this list (except Buchanon, I guess) multiple times, this was a decisive victory for the Redskins corners.

We have three excellent pass rushing linebackers. Between Andre Carter, Brian Orakpo, and Lorenzo Alexander, the Redskins' 1 DL 4/5 LB pressure schemes are so very dangerous. What I noticed -- and I could be wrong -- is that when the Redskins went to a dime defense, that they actually pulled London Fletcher off the field. I did notice Rocky McIntosh out there when Chris Horton or Byron Westbrook or Kevin Barnes was in as the 6th DB. But this appears to be a down and distance thing with Fletcher. He's not going to play every play of this season for us, which at his age, is probably good. When Rocky McIntosh is flat beating Andre Gurode on the blitz, you know that Dallas is in trouble. Give Doug Free of Dallas some credit: one of the key match-ups they could not afford to lose was Free against Andre Carter and Free won that battle all game long. Free was less effective against Lorenzo Alexander. I also thought replacement LG Montrae Holland had an excellent game, as well as most of the Dallas offensive line. Almost entirely all of the big pressures on Tony Romo came against Alex Barron.

Quickly...

The blown coverage on Miles Austin at the end of the game was a Brian Orakpo mis-read. But I don't think he read it wrong so much as he didn't know/understand our coverage. We were playing a pretty conservative three-deep on fourth and ten with Rogers as a slot-safety to the three receiver (left) side. Buchanon, Orakpo, and Fletcher had underneath responsibility: prevent the first down. Both linebackers ran with Jason Witten on a short cross. I know Orakpo was trying to take away Romo's throwing window to Witten, but he can't follow him in that coverage. He has to turn him loose.

The Redskins played quarters coverage (or maybe even five-deep) on the last play of the game. Dallas responded with a three vertical concept in the back of the end zone with Roy Williams running an over (crossing) route from left to right, and Marion Barber first chipping and then running the flat. The design of the play is to put the underneath defender, McIntosh, in a bind by giving him something to watch (Barber) while sneaking a far more dangerous receiver behind him into the front of the end zone. That was D-Hall's zone, but Hall had read the route combo on that side and had come inside to help Doughty with Miles Austin, the primary receiver against any sort of pressure look from the Redskins. Williams got open in Hall's zone essentially because he started on the other side of the field: there is simply no key other than to communicate the route. But the guy who would have been responsible for the communication, 52, was distracted by Barber, an irrelivant part of the play.

And of course, one second into that play, Orakpo had already ended it, drawing holding.

Any issues vs. the run in this game were purely contain/tackling issues. I thought the LBs were excellent against the run in this game. The defensive line had a couple of gap issues (looking at you Golston and Haynesworth), and for a guy who played most of the game, Ma'ake Kemoeatu only had an impact (positive or negative) on a couple of plays. Dallas never challenged him on the interior. When they ran that power draw against us, it was something we were willing to concede from the 1-5 front. 3 yards and a first down for 45 seconds of clock? Sounds good to me.

There's a right way and a wrong way to go about preventing the big play. The wrong way is to not match your personnel with the opponents, let the quarterback know who is going to be open pre-snap, and have the corners play so soft that the offense can't help itself to throw the ball to the outside. The correct way is to force the offenses' hand. Pressure the crap out of their quarterback, give them pass defense fronts they've never seen before, and make them take the game out of their quarterbacks hands on third down for fear of the alternative. Dallas was very successful in third downs all day, but could not overcome their propensity to waste plays trying to get Jerry's new toys some meaningless statistics. In this game, we prevented the big play not through being scared of being beat deep, but by trading advantages in time of possession to force Dallas into a schematic shell.

Dallas really did dominate us statistically in this game, but we dared them to stay on schedule and take their yardage in chunks. They simply couldn't play like that for more than 35 yards at a time. A more disciplined team beats us fairly decisively in this one. For Dallas, it was the perfect strategy.

[B]Defensive Plus/Minus[/B]

Teams grade players using a plus/minus system. I don't like it because it's fairly subjective: not so much that a good play with a good outcome isn't obvious in the game film, but that I can only grade what I see, and even though I spend hours a week watching and re-watching, I'm going to miss good plays in the plus/minus. It's a necessary evil, so take these ratings for what they are.

Brian Orakpo (+8/-3) +5
LaRon Landry (+6/-2) +4
DeAngelo Hall (+7/-4) +3
Carlos Rogers (+4/-2) +2
Rocky McIntosh (+4/-2) +2
Lorenzo Alexander (+2/-0) +2
Vonnie Holliday (+2/-0) +2
Phillip Buchanon (+3/-1) +2
Byron Westbrook (+1/-0) +1
Adam Carriker (+1/-0) +1
Ma'ake Kemoeatu (+1/-0) +1
London Fletcher (+1/-0) +1
Albert Haynesworth (+1/-1) 0
Kedric Golston (+1/-2) -1
Reed Doughty (+0/-2) -2

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So basically we dictated what the offense could do. That's a how a professional defense operates. You dictate to the offense. If we can continue that then we'll tighten up technique and execution as the season goes and should be a pretty consistently good defense by years end. I'll take it.

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forgot how much I looked forward to these... thanks Tripp.

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wow, real nice write gtripp. thanks for all that work you put in.

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Romo feared throwing Horton's way. Doughty didn't play disciplined. Carter has to keep working.

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Good work. I especially like this quote: "Dallas was very successful in third downs all day, but could not overcome their propensity to waste plays trying to get Jerry's new toys some meaningless statistics."

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;733770]Good work. I especially like this quote: "Dallas was very successful in third downs all day, but could not overcome their propensity to waste plays trying to get Jerry's new toys some meaningless statistics."[/quote]

Couple points on that, imo.

1) It shows how much influence JJ has on the actual gameplan, either by direct input or via influence on Garrett.

2) Illustrates pretty clearly that the 'Boys are all about marketing 1st and winning 2nd. They could have played an uglier game and won, but that wasn't enough, they needed to showcase their 1st rd pick, Jerry's personal choice, wearing #88, etc.

3) Assuming the two above are correct, big D in dallas is going to stand for disappointment and dysfunction yet again in 2010/11.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;733778]Couple points on that, imo.

1) It shows how much influence JJ has on the actual gameplan, either by direct input or via influence on Garrett.

2) Illustrates pretty clearly that the 'Boys are all about marketing 1st and winning 2nd. They could have played an uglier game and won, but that wasn't enough, they needed to showcase their 1st rd pick, Jerry's personal choice, wearing #88, etc.

3) Assuming the two above are correct, big D in dallas is going to stand for disappointment and dysfunction yet again in 2010/11.[/quote]They can usually get away with it against lesser defenses because they have a bunch of big play threats and so in general, those big plays are there for them when they want/need them. And with that defense, they only need a couple big throws to win a ballgame.

The Redskins allowed no plays over 30 yards in this game. Just one over 25 yards.

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[quote=GTripp0012;733717]
Dallas really did dominate us statistically in this game, but we dared them to stay on schedule and take their yardage in chunks. They simply couldn't play like that for more than 35 yards at a time. A more disciplined team beats us fairly decisively in this one. [B]For Dallas, it was the perfect strategy.
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[I][/I][I][/I]Was it strategy or was the best we can do at the moment. We are a young defense in this new scheme and we have one real game under our belt. At this moment I am willing to chalk it up to we are still learning the new system. We did not look a good a against a very terrible Dallas offensive line. We better pick it up or we will get blown out by real NFL team. Our ability to stop the run consistently is a real serious problem at the moment.
I also did not agree on some of the substitution pattern. It is a work in progress and I will to give Hasslett a chance to right the ship. If the defense does not improve we will not make the playoffs.
You better believe every team that will face us this year arew licking their chops after seeing the tape of Sunday's Dallas game. Our d-line got pushed around That is not good.

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[quote=Defensewins;733808][I][/I][I][/I]Was it strategy or was the best we can do at the moment. We are a young defense in this new scheme and we have one real game under our belt. At this moment I am willing to chalk it up to we are still learning the new system. We did not look a good a against a very terrible Dallas offensive line. We better pick it up or we will get blown out by real NFL team. Our ability to stop the run consistently is a real serious problem at the moment.
I also did not agree on some of the substitution pattern. It is a work in progress and I will to give Hasslett a chance to right the ship. If the defense does not improve we will not make the playoffs.[/quote]Well, Dallas' longest run in the game was 12 yards. And Hall flat whiffed on a tackle on that play. Second longest running play was 11 yards, and Rogers whiffed on that tackle.

The consistency of the Dallas running game was given to them by design. Which I'm fine with. If they want to run a power draw in every third and 2 situation, I'm fine with that. You have to account for the fact that that strategy is going to cost the offense a chance to score points, giving up more first downs. But if they can't generate a meaningful running play, I'm not exactly sure why we should be concerned whether they are getting five yards or one yard on their runs.

They were much more successful in their passing game, despite the defense we were playing being pass-centric. So that's a concern.

Here for the record as who I marked in coverage on the 9 plays where Dallas attacked our pass defense in chunks. The nine plays out of 75 we need to improve on to be an elite defense:

Hall 4
Doughty 3
Fletcher 1
Blown (Orakpo) 1

And the Fletcher completion was after a whiffed sack by Landry, Austin just got behind him in space.

So Hall and Doughty were picked on and gave up some yards in chunks. But if only about 25% of Dallas' throws at Hall resulted in 10+ yards gained, we're winning that battle in the long run. That's a waste of their "best" offensive strategy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;733811]Well, Dallas' longest run in the game was 12 yards. And Hall flat whiffed on a tackle on that play. Second longest running play was 11 yards, and Rogers whiffed on that tackle.

The consistency of the Dallas running game was given to them by design. Which I'm fine with. If they want to run a power draw in every third and 2 situation, I'm fine with that. You have to account for the fact that that strategy is going to cost the offense a chance to score points, giving up more first downs. But if they can't generate a meaningful running play, I'm not exactly sure why we should be concerned whether they are getting five yards or one yard on their runs.

They were much more successful in their passing game, despite the defense we were playing being pass-centric. So that's a concern.

Here for the record as who I marked in coverage on the 9 plays where Dallas attacked our pass defense in chunks. The nine plays out of 75 we need to improve on to be an elite defense:

Hall 4
Doughty 3
Fletcher 1
Blown (Orakpo) 1

And the Fletcher completion was after a whiffed sack by Landry, Austin just got behind him in space.

So Hall and Doughty were picked on and gave up some yards in chunks. But if only about 25% of Dallas' throws at Hall resulted in 10+ yards gained, we're winning that battle in the long run. That's a waste of their "best" offensive strategy.[/quote]

The problem is in preseason we saw a pattern that we could not defend the run consistently. You act like us giving up five yards a run was planned and it is ok.
Dallas was not smart enough to take advantage of the run game advantage. That is why they did not win.
Their ego is such that they have to pass. That was some of the worst coaching by Dallas that I have ever seen.
Next week we are playing a team with a real coach that is smart enough to to stick with what is working that day. Hasslett and his defense is preparing this week for a power running team, lets see how prepared they are to stop the run? You can choose to call it stragedy, I at the moment call it weakness.

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[quote=Defensewins;733820]The problem is in preseason we saw a pattern that we could not defend the run consistently. You act like us giving up five yards a run was planned and it is ok.
Dallas was not smart enough to take advantage of the run game advantage. That is why they did not win.
Their ego is such that they have to pass. That was some of the worst coaching by Dallas that I have ever seen.
Next week we are playing a team with a real coach that is smart enough to to stick with what is working that day.[/quote]Giving up 5 yards a run only matters if it forces you to pull extra guys out of pass defense to stop it because you can't make any other adjustment. Our front seven is far too good to reach that point.

Houston won't stick with the run even if it's working either. They did it against the Colts because they've been burned so many times that they had no choice but to run it and enjoy it. Schaub was 8/15 or something. They're going to come out firing the ball against our defense. The Houston running game won't matter in the outcome of this game. We need to stop Schaub.

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Tripp...in your opinion, how are our d-linemen playing in the 3-4 scheme? In the offseason, I saw teams give a high priority to retain their NTs (Wilfork in NE, Hampton in Pittsburgh, and Franklin in San Fran) and honestly I feel like we don't have a good 3-4 NT. I feel that Haynesworth doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme in general, and Kemo is not a good player for such important position. Also, how do you see Carriker/Daniels/Holliday playing in this scheme?

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[quote=GTripp0012;733823][B]Giving up 5 yards a run only matters if it forces you to pull extra guys out of pass defense to stop it because you can't make any other adjustment. Our front seven is far too good to reach that point.[/B]

Houston won't stick with the run even if it's working either. They did it against the Colts because they've been burned so many times that they had no choice but to run it and enjoy it. Schaub was 8/15 or something. They're going to come out firing the ball against our defense. The Houston running game won't matter in the outcome of this game. We need to stop Schaub.[/quote]

We can agree to disagree.
Our front seven is not PLAYING consistently good right now. Our three down linemen are getting pushed around. I am not talking schemes or alignments or STATS. I am talking plain old button up your chin strap and whip the guy in front of you. Our LB's are not in the right places and not making the right decisions on a consistent basis.
Our secondary played well in comparison to our front seven.
There are several other 3-4 teams that play not to give up the long ball, but can also defend the run. We have not learned how to do that yet.
That is all. :)

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[quote=Ruhskins;733824]Tripp...in your opinion, how are our d-linemen playing in the 3-4 scheme? In the offseason, I saw teams give a high priority to retain their NTs (Wilfork in NE, Hampton in Pittsburgh, and Franklin in San Fran) and honestly I feel like we don't have a good 3-4 NT. I feel that Haynesworth doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme in general, and Kemo is not a good player for such important position. Also, how do you see Carriker/Daniels/Holliday playing in this scheme?[/quote]Our defensive line isn't great. Haynesworth is going to be neutralized as a great/dominant player being asked to do what we ask of him against the run. Against the pass, he will be himself. I don't think it was a coincidence that Dallas ran or threw quick screens whenever he entered the game.

Carriker is going to be our best DLman when he's healthy, but that's not going to be for 16 games. Golston is bad as a two-gap. Daniels is better for the scheme, but really, really plays like an old man out there. I think we could use Holliday more on regular downs and Haynesworth on passing downs. Holliday might be the best DE we have, if not Carriker.

Jarmon figures to get up to speed at some point. He could be the fresh blood we are looking for.

Regardless, we don't need a lot of DLmen. In our nickel package, we just need two. Teams like to spread us out more than we like to spread them out, so that limits the amount of DL on the field. If we keep Haynesworth in the fold, we will never have a problem on the defensive line. If we get rid of him, quality depth, even in a 2-4 front, becomes really scarce.

Defensive lineman just aren't a big part of this scheme, generally speaking. I doubt we draft a big nose tackle next year because it's all about the linebackers and corners and safeties. With that said, I don't like a lot of the defensive linemen we are playing, specifically, Daniels and Golston are weaknesses.

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For some reason when I was watching the game I kept on thinking that #91 was Jarmon, not Holliday.

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Love defensive breakdowns, thanks.

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[quote=Defensewins;733835]We can agree to disagree.
Our front seven is not PLAYING consistently good right now. Our three down linemen are getting pushed around. I am not talking schemes or alignments or STATS. I am talking plain old button up your chin strap and whip the guy in front of you. Our LB's are not in the right places and not making the right decisions on a consistent basis.
Our secondary played well in comparison to our front seven.
There are several other 3-4 teams that play not to give up the long ball, but can also defend the run. We have not learned how to do that yet.
That is all. :)[/quote]Agree, good call.

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[quote=GTripp0012;733823]Giving up 5 yards a run only matters if it forces you to pull extra guys out of pass defense to stop it because you can't make any other adjustment. Our front seven is far too good to reach that point.

Houston won't stick with the run even if it's working either. They did it against the Colts because they've been burned so many times that they had no choice but to run it and enjoy it. Schaub was 8/15 or something. They're going to come out firing the ball against our defense. The Houston running game won't matter in the outcome of this game. We need to stop Schaub.[/quote]Giving up 5 yds per run is what poor defenses do. It matters if a team is smart enough to keep doing it all the way down the field. What makes you think that if the D can't stop the run all the way down the field it will magically do so inside the 10? Plus running the ball keeps the ToP up for the O and keeps the D on the field, wearing them down.

Since the 2005 season there have been 23 teams that allowed over 4.5 yds/att. Only 5 of them finished over .500 (21.7%). Of those 5, one had Peyton Manning and led the league in Passing Yards, another the same year had Drew Brees and was 2nd in the NFL in Passing Yds.

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[quote=Defensewins;733835]We can agree to disagree.
Our front seven is not PLAYING consistently good right now. Our three down linemen are getting pushed around. I am not talking schemes or alignments or STATS. I am talking plain old button up your chin strap and whip the guy in front of you. Our LB's are not in the right places and not making the right decisions on a consistent basis.[/quote]

I agree with you on this point.
Dallas has always been able to run the ball on us.
Thankfully Garrett is too fancy with his playcalling to stick to the run.
Our DL isn't playing well yet as unit.
I heard a stat during preseason that suggested that we were especially weak on the offensive left side.
Which would be solved if we just quit messing about and put #92 at RDE already!

-I think our ILB are on point but our OLB have to work on holding the edge.

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[quote=Ruhskins;733824]Tripp...in your opinion, how are our d-linemen playing in the 3-4 scheme? In the offseason, I saw teams give a high priority to retain their NTs (Wilfork in NE, Hampton in Pittsburgh, and Franklin in San Fran) and honestly I feel like we don't have a good 3-4 NT. I feel that Haynesworth doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme in general, and Kemo is not a good player for such important position. Also, how do you see Carriker/Daniels/Holliday playing in this scheme?[/quote]

What we're seeing now is the by-product of an important point that was made by some during the offseason. We really don't have the proper personell to effectively make a 3-4 defense work to the peak of effeciency. N/T is the key clog in a 3-4 and we don't have one. We have a player lining up at the position that cannot effectively play it. That fact could contribute to why so much emphasis has been placed on trying to get Haynesworth to play at the position. As it stands right now, we just don't have a lot going with the three players we're starting as down linemen.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;733932]Giving up 5 yds per run is what poor defenses do. It matters if a team is smart enough to keep doing it all the way down the field. [B]What makes you think that if the D can't stop the run all the way down the field it will magically do so inside the 10?[/B] Plus running the ball keeps the ToP up for the O and keeps the D on the field, wearing them down.

Since the 2005 season there have been 23 teams that allowed over 4.5 yds/att. Only 5 of them finished over .500 (21.7%). Of those 5, one had Peyton Manning and led the league in Passing Yards, another the same year had Drew Brees and was 2nd in the NFL in Passing Yds.[/quote]Football 101, running inside the ten requires better execution because there are more players in a confined area, holes are smaller, ballcarriers are reached quicker, etc.

I'm not saying there's no problem with the run defense, but it's not like we were whipped by Dallas in the rushing attack. They averaged like 4.8 YPC and never had a carry over 12 yards. That's an efficient day running the football, but hardly getting gashed like it seems some people are commenting on.

We're not going to give up 4.5 YPC for the season. It's just not going to happen. We might have a below average run defense overall (we did on Sunday, at least), but like I said above, if it doesn't affect the pass defense for the negative (because of schematic alterations to plug a leaky run defense), it won't matter.

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[quote=GTripp0012;733942]Football 101, running inside the ten requires better execution because there are more players in a confined area, holes are smaller, ballcarriers are reached quicker, etc.

I'm not saying there's no problem with the run defense, but it's not like we were whipped by Dallas in the rushing attack. They averaged like 4.8 YPC and never had a carry over 12 yards. That's an efficient day running the football, but hardly getting gashed like it seems some people are commenting on.

We're not going to give up 4.5 YPC for the season. It's just not going to happen. We might have a below average run defense overall (we did on Sunday, at least), but like I said above, if it doesn't affect the pass defense for the negative (because of schematic alterations to plug a leaky run defense), it won't matter.[/quote]Thanks for the Football 101. It's very unusual for a D giving up over 4.5 Yds/Att to suddenly become a monster inside the 10. Of course it's harder to run inside the 10 because your options are cut down. But the same guys on the DL are still on the field inside the 10. And they're going against the same OL that has been kicking their ass up and down the field. Fine, you can put 9 in the box, but now I've got an extra TE and a power run formation. Bottom line, the chances of a D giving up a huge yds/att number and stuffing the opponent consistently inside the 10 is slim.

We actually were whipped in the run game, but because of piss-poor coaching and Garrett being to much of a "genius" for his own good Dallas didn't take advantage.

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Letting them get to the 10 is a problem as well.

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Let's not forget about the LBs. In a 3-4 it's not always about which line pushes which. If the DL can hold blocks to free up the LBs, then it doesn't matter if they are "pushed around", within reason.

I'd also like to point out that the 3-4 was born out of necessity, because it's hard to find good pass rushing DEs. So, the idea is to get a few stiffs for the DL, and let all the LBs do the work. Of course your need switches from DE to NT, but in theory that is easier, because they don't need to be very athletic.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;733955]Thanks for the Football 101. It's very unusual for a D giving up over 4.5 Yds/Att to suddenly become a monster inside the 10. Of course it's harder to run inside the 10 because your options are cut down. But the same guys on the DL are still on the field inside the 10. And they're going against the same OL that has been kicking their ass up and down the field. Fine, you can put 9 in the box, but now I've got an extra TE and a power run formation. Bottom line, the chances of a D giving up a huge yds/att number and stuffing the opponent consistently inside the 10 is slim.

We actually were whipped in the run game, but because of piss-poor coaching and Garrett being to much of a "genius" for his own good Dallas didn't take advantage.[/quote]You made a logical jump somewhere and I lost you. My bad.

We agree on the Cowboys' management of the game being a huge component in only getting 7 points. We didn't play "7 points" good on defense that day.

I have little concept of how you've interpreted what I've written about our run defense. I argued that:

1) We didn't give up big plays, runs or passes
2) Dallas can't play whole-field, slow-paced football the way we forced them to play
3) Other teams are going to throw on us frequently as well
4) If we can perform like we did against Dallas with just seven guys in the box, and play the run to the level we did, we'll be fine

I'm a little confused about why people are concerned about getting our run defense to post sub 4.0 YPC numbers. It'd be nice for sure to excel in all facets of the game, but if teams actually ran the ball 60% of the time against us because they thought they could sustain an offense that way, I'd be thrilled. That's good for us.

I don't remember saying anything about having a great red zone rushing defense one way or the other. I feel that if we put a lot of guys in the box to stop the run, teams are going to throw on us there too.

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[quote=tryfuhl;733960]Letting them get to the 10 is a problem as well.[/quote]Well, right, and the biggest thorn in our side on Sunday (both inside and outside of the ten) was clearly Miles Austin.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;733932]Giving up 5 yds per run is what poor defenses do. It matters if a team is smart enough to keep doing it all the way down the field. What makes you think that if the D can't stop the run all the way down the field it will magically do so inside the 10? Plus running the ball keeps the ToP up for the O and keeps the D on the field, wearing them down.

Since the 2005 season there have been 23 teams that allowed over 4.5 yds/att. Only 5 of them finished over .500 (21.7%). Of those 5, one had Peyton Manning and led the league in Passing Yards, another the same year had Drew Brees and was 2nd in the NFL in Passing Yds.[/quote]

Exactly.
Football 101 on defense:
Rule # 1 stop the run.
Not to many Sb winning teams that were weak against the run. Just a fact.

Back to my point, we did not give 5 yards a carry last night because we wanted to. We were not weak against the run all in preseason and now in game 1 because of scheme or coaching decisions. We are not good against the run because some of our DL and LB's are not playing well yet.

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The 2006 Colts and 2009 Saints were pretty weak versus the run. Those teams did other things well (passing offenses), but they were very good defenses overall.

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[quote=30gut;733938]I agree with you on this point.
Dallas has always been able to run the ball on us.
Thankfully Garrett is too fancy with his playcalling to stick to the run.
Our DL isn't playing well yet as unit.
I heard a stat during preseason that suggested that we were especially weak on the offensive left side.
Which would be solved if we just quit messing about and put #92 at RDE already!

[B]-I think our ILB are on point but our OLB have to work on holding the edge[/B].[/quote]


The LB's [B]except[/B] for good ol London Fletcher are having a tough time transitioning on the mental part. They are still learning. Even McIntosh was fooled and caught out of position a few times.
The one disadvantage we have is is our ILB's are smallish, so they can not make up physically when being walled off by a strong OL.
They have to make up for lack of size with speed and smart decision making.

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[quote=GTripp0012;733990]The 2006 Colts and 2009 Saints were pretty weak versus the run. Those teams did other things well (passing offenses), but they were very good defenses overall.[/quote]

Which why I said "Not [B][U]to many[/U][/B] Sb winning teams that were weak against the run. Just a fact."

Interesting side note on the 2006 Colts while not good during the season against the run, they [B]shut down[/B] the other teams run in the playoffs when it mattered.

2006 Playoffs
Wildcard game vs. KC = [B]44[/B] [B]yards rushing[/B] total

Division playoff game vs. Ravens= [B]83 yards rushing
[/B]
Conference Championship game vs NE = [B]93 yards rushing[/B]

Super Bowl vs CHI = [B]111 yards rushing[/B]

And their opponents knew their weakness.

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GTripp, that was a fine analysis. It is much appreciated.

However, I have to agree with Defensewins and others. The weak Cowboys line led to about a 5 ypc. A stronger offensive line will lead to worse. The long runs may have been 11 and 12 yards, but against a better (and better coached) offense those longs could turn into 15 or 20 yards.

Giving up yards even in just 5 yard chunks makes it difficult to put offenses in third and long situations, where conversion is difficult and we can turn dogs like Rak loose.

Our run defense just has to tighten up. It may take an offseason to happen, given that we need to stop putting 4-3 square pegs in 3-4 round holes and we really need a real NT.

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[quote=GTripp0012;733968]3) Other teams are going to throw on us frequently as well.
4) If we can perform like we did against Dallas with just seven guys in the box, and play the run to the level we did, we'll be fine[/quote]For # 3, not if we keep giving up 4.7 Yds/Att. For #4, No, we won't.

Here's what you said that's raising eyebrows, "Giving up 5 yards a run only matters if it forces you to pull extra guys out of pass defense to stop it because you can't make any other adjustment. Our front seven is far too good to reach that point."

That's where the over 4.5 Yds/Att arguments are coming from. Regarding the part about our front 7 being too good for that, against an average/below average OL, with shitty playcalling, we gave up 4.7 per rush with a long rush of 12, so it's not like we shut them down but gave up one 80 yd run. We're lucky Dallas chose to throw 67.6 % of the time and definitely agree on the poor Dallas playcalls.

[quote]I'm a little confused about why people are concerned about getting our run defense to post sub 4.0 YPC numbers. It'd be nice for sure to excel in all facets of the game, but if teams actually ran the ball 60% of the time against us because they thought they could sustain an offense that way, I'd be thrilled. That's good for us.[/quote]No one said anything about sub 4 YPC numbers. And if Dallas ran 60% of the time on Sunday, assuming even a 4.5 YPC, we would've lost.

I, and others, believe you're missing or downplaying the problems on our DL and at OLB against the run. Our problems were covered by a poor coaching job by Dallas, but a couple more weeks of film with run performances like Sunday and we'll be looking at teams running at us 60% of the time and us not being able to stop it, then getting beat with PA or in 1-on-1 coverage with no help over the top the other 40% of the time.

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[quote=Lotus;734013]Our run defense just has to tighten up. It may take an offseason to happen, given that we need to stop putting 4-3 square pegs in 3-4 round holes and we really need a real NT.[/quote]Well stated.

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Apparently D. Ware suffered a minor concussion during the game. Means Trent was all up in his face probably as only he and I believe, Cooley on one play, really touched him the whole game.

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[quote=tryfuhl;734128]Apparently D. Ware suffered a minor concussion during the game. Means Trent was all up in his face probably as only he and I believe, Cooley on one play, really touched him the whole game.[/quote]

It was probably from the hit he took from LJ late in the game

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I give the defense an overall A- against this Dallas team who is suppose to have this high powered, 30 points a game offense (although noted is their OL injuries). Even with throwing the ball almost 50 times in this game, Dallas still only averaged 5.8 yards per attempt... pretty lousy for what is suppose to be the "most talented" offense in the league. Dallas may not have even scored a touchdown without that shanked punt by the Skins.

As for the upcominmg Houston game, I would hope to see the Skins stack the line of scrimmage and play "offensive" defense against the run... ala the Jets and Ravens. I still remember way back in the George Allen days when the Skins had a playoff game against the Packers who had a great running game with John Brockington and Allen stacked the DL and stuffed Brockington all day long. Make Houston beat us with the pass and negate their strong running game.

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Thought this was good stuff

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/09/16/mike-shanahan-sfx-from-the-sidelines-of-the-dallas-game/#continued]Mike Shanahan SFX From The Sidelines Of The Dallas Game[/url]

The most revealing part of the video, and the part I'd most be interested in following up on, is London Fletcher's reaction from the very end. Here's Steinberg's recounting of it:

"That was my fault for making it that close," Fletcher said when Shanahan tried to congratulate him on the field right after the game ended.

"Ohhhhh no," Shanahan scoffed, seemingly incredulous.

"I busted coverage on Austin," Fletcher said.

"No," Shanahan said. "I'm so proud of you."

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holy freakin flying funk. you tellin me the whistle wasnt even blown when fletch got that PI!?! the freakin ref said that his forward momentum was stopped. shanny says why didnt you blow the whistle then?

WTF! i assumed they blew the whistle, like the announcers did, but we couldnt hear it b/c of the crowd noise.

wt the flying f.

i hope the skins asked the league for a review and clarification on that penalty.

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Here is claification on that penalty.... the ref blew the call. The guy wasn't down, he was almost breaking the tackle by D. Hall and Fletcher came in with a shoulder blow. Not a spear or a helmet first illegal blow or anything nasty, just you common everyday tackling kind of move.