How about moving Rogers to free safety?
 

Could Rogers be a good free safety for us?

A move to FS would allow Landry to move back to SS, we keep Hall on a corner, and we fill the other CB position in free agency. Rogers is a pretty good tackler but has stone hands when he has to adjust quickly to the ball. The FS position would allow him to keep the ball in front of him (which might help). I don't see him moving into the elite category of CB's in this league, but I could see him as being so versatile from the FS position that he could be matched up against anyone creating confusion for opposing offenses.

If he would go for it, does anyone else think this would work?

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He'd need to add some bulk. He'd probably bitch about it though. Since that is what he does.

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I think that he's a bit more of a man CB than a roamer or someone who picks up the route or the last line of defense, he's not the best tackler.

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Hopefully, our defense will play bump and run, he excells at that. This year we played ten yards off the ball and gaveup too many short passes. It is easier to find a safety than a cornerback.

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I think I mentioned this back in December, but Tripp arguably had a better idea in moving Hall to FS where he can be the ballhawk that he is.

Still, don't think either has the ability that say Shawn Springs had in moving easily between CB and FS...can we bring Springs back for a year?

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I think Rogers is a pure CB & doesn't seem to adjust to changes or instructions very well, so I doubt he would be a good FS, at least for a while.

Something that I've been wanting to start a thread on - Kareem Moore as starting FS?

I like this guy & he's played pretty well when given the chance. He doesn't have LL's blazing speed, but speed becomes irrelevant when you go the opposite direction of the recievers! I think Moore will push for at least more pt if not a starting job.

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Instead of fitting square pegs into round holes, let's just sign a decent free safety. If New Orleans lets Darren Sharper get away (doubtful), that's the kind of guy you want.

Converting a CB just doesn't sound like a championship strategy.

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Who do you put in at starting CB with Hall if you move Rogers?? For the record I'm not a fan of such a move at all.

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Worst idea ever!

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Rogers at FS would certainly be a last resort type of option. Assuming he returns, he does have more value as a shutdown corner with hands of stone.

I think for me the bigger questions at safety are a) can Kareem Moore finally be a starting FS allowing LL to play at SS and b) what about Chris Horton?

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I am not a fan of moving any corners. As argued above, we should just get a real safety. But, if someone MUST move, I agree with Tripp that D.Hall is a better choice than 'Los.

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how about playing a safety at safety? i don't know why people think its that easy to just switch positions?

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[quote=dmek25;662459]how about playing a safety at safety? i don't know why people think its that easy to just switch positions?[/quote]

Because guys like Woodson, Springs, and Rolle have all done it

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This is the same type of Madden thinking that gets people in trouble.

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If the decision is made to keep him here I look for the new coaching staff to maximize his ability as a CB. I've never felt the way he was being used best suited his talent level. The knock on him has always been his inability to catch the ball, much of that had to do with his not being able to locate the ball in flight.

Playing the safety position would afford him the opportunity to see more plays developing in front of him, but his natural position is more of a CB than S.

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^^^ i think being able to find the ball mid-flight is a very tough skill to learn and separates the elite cb from decent ones. I know d hall has that skill (and he probably tries to locate the ball too much, sometimes even playing off the receiver to try and bait the qb to throw the ball his way) but .. . .

i think los is our best all around cb, and normally i would agree with your comment that a cb probably has trouble picking the ball off b/c he cant locate the ball mid-flight, but ive seen so much of los (we all have) where he sees the ball, it is coming right at him, he watches the ball into his hands then for what ever reason he doesnt catch it.

los could def improve on his ball flight location, but imo alot of his missed picks were b/c of stone hands and vodoo.

im nitpickin

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what about chris horton? he was a 7th round pick who had a very good rookie season, but regressed and then got injuried in his second season. Considering Doughty and Horton both suck at playing FS, i think if Landry moves to SS then one of them is gone and we pick up another safety who can play both positions decently. if forced to chose, i'd keep Doughty and try to move Horton for a late-round pick (5th-6th rounder).

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[quote=over the mountain;662477]^^^ i think being able to find the ball mid-flight is a very tough skill to learn and separates the elite cb from decent ones. I know d hall has that skill (and he probably tries to locate the ball too much, sometimes even playing off the receiver to try and bait the qb to throw the ball his way) but .. . .

i think los is our best all around cb, and normally i would agree with your comment that a cb probably has trouble picking the ball off b/c he cant locate the ball mid-flight, but ive seen so much of los (we all have) where he sees the ball, it is coming right at him, he watches the ball into his hands then for what ever reason he doesnt catch it.

los could def improve on his ball flight location, but imo alot of his missed picks were b/c of stone hands and vodoo.

im nitpickin[/quote]

I agree......And IMO being able to locate the ball in flight to the receiver has always been Carlos'es greatest weakness, but it's a technique that's coachable and one he can practice until he becomes better at it. For a long time I've felt that to be the one flaw (except his hands) that has kept him from being among the more elite group of CB's.

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Here is a take with a nice stat for the people who tend to live and die by with that stuff: "Though he’s had a couple poor games, Rogers has strung together a very nice season this year. He’s been targeted only 61 times this year, which is a distant second only to Nnamdi Asomugha among corners who have played at least 75% of their team’s snaps. Rogers is a pretty good cover corner, but finished the season in the team’s doghouse."

1. Los is a better corner than he gets credit for
2. Poor attitude and his mouth put him in a negative light BUT the Blache treatment affects others as well ie Haynesworth so the same people who give Fat Albert a pass should understand Carlos frustration
3. He is not a big play guy, ok I understand that...hands of stones, he doesnt take chances..but we got Hall across the way who does. Ill take a guy all who does his job: covers receivers and denys them the ball.

We shouldnt move Carlos to FS, just like we should keep Orakpo on the DL, and would should move Landry to SS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;662439]I think I mentioned this back in December, but Tripp arguably had a better idea in moving Hall to FS where he can be the ballhawk that he is.

Still, don't think either has the ability that say Shawn Springs had in moving easily between CB and FS...[B]can we bring Springs back for a year?[/B][/quote]

I'd be afraid he'll tear a wrist tendon signing his contract..

I'm not a Rogers fan AT ALL but moving him to FS would be an even worse place for him than CB. 2 big things you look for from your FS are solid tackling (and tackling angles) and good hands.. Rogers possesses neither. I hope he's tendered and someone will give us a 2nd for him..

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[quote=SmootSmack;662439]I think I mentioned this back in December, but Tripp arguably had a better idea in moving Hall to FS where he can be the ballhawk that he is.

Still, don't think either has the ability that say Shawn Springs had in moving easily between CB and FS...can we bring Springs back for a year?[/quote]
Yeah I remember that and it'd be more ideal if 1) we had more depth at CB and 2) Hall was a better tackler

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[quote=SmootSmack;662454]Rogers at FS would certainly be a last resort type of option. Assuming he returns, he does have more value as a shutdown corner with hands of stone.

I think for me the bigger questions at safety are a) can Kareem Moore finally be a starting FS allowing LL to play at SS and b) what about Chris Horton?[/quote]
What about Horton as far as if Moore is at FS and Landry is at SS? Or what about Horton playing FS? I'm assuming you mean the first and in that case, unfortunately Horton won't be starting. If the second, I'm not sure what there's been seen to go with that suggestion.

What about Smoot at FS if we can't fill the role otherwise?

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[quote=tryfuhl;662504]What about Horton as far as if Moore is at FS and Landry is at SS? Or what about Horton playing FS? I'm assuming you mean the first and in that case, unfortunately Horton won't be starting. If the second, I'm not sure what there's been seen to go with that suggestion.

What about Smoot at FS if we can't fill the role otherwise?[/quote]

Well Smoot did play some FS last year so if he stays then I guess he's an option, probably no more than a backup though

I meant what about Horton as far as just in general where does he fit in all this? It's almost like we've forgotten he's on the roster

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[quote=SmootSmack;662513]Well Smoot did play some FS last year so if he stays then I guess he's an option, probably no more than a backup though

I meant what about Horton as far as just in general where does he fit in all this? It's almost like we've forgotten he's on the roster[/quote]
Yeah that was my thinking, plus his skillset, but yeah I wouldn't want to count on him without exploring other options.

That's what I thought you meant with Horton, unfortunately it probably doesn't give him much of an option, but if Landry is moving to SS primarily, well.. I'd take Landry too. What other option would Horton have to start other than putting on 20-30lbs or so and trying his hand at ILB? Hard to say.

While at what are we going to do with Player X, what about Jarmon if we switch to 3-4, etc? Probably better for a different thread, but there are definitely a number of personnel decisions to be made on the D side of the ball.

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I feel like Rogers would be too stiff at FS, Hall I think we be much better, but hall is our best CB, so you don't want to do that.

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[quote=Chico23231;662487]Here is a take with a nice stat for the people who tend to live and die by with that stuff: "Though he’s had a couple poor games, Rogers has strung together a very nice season this year. He’s been targeted only 61 times this year, which is a distant second only to Nnamdi Asomugha among corners who have played at least 75% of their team’s snaps. Rogers is a pretty good cover corner, but finished the season in the team’s doghouse."

1. Los is a better corner than he gets credit for
2. Poor attitude and his mouth put him in a negative light BUT the Blache treatment affects others as well ie Haynesworth so the same people who give Fat Albert a pass should understand Carlos frustration
3. He is not a big play guy, ok I understand that...hands of stones, he doesnt take chances..but we got Hall across the way who does. Ill take a guy all who does his job: covers receivers and denys them the ball.

We shouldnt move Carlos to FS, just like we should keep Orakpo on the DL, and would should move Landry to SS.[/quote]

Good post, I agree for the most part. There is so much about playing CB that goes unoticed. The 2nd point of yours is well taken though, and it often seems his attitude has been the difference between him being a decent v. top notch CB.

That's just my impression from his comments after giving up big plays. I can see why a conservative coach like Blache had him in the doghouse. Blache hates it when players are undisciplined.

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For people that watch soccer, trying to put a CB at S is like trying to move a left or right back to center back. Sure you can do it but 9 times out of 10 it's a bad idea. Hopefully the one or two people understand this post can appreciate what I'm trying to say.

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There are alot of players on this team that have under achieved Los is just one of them. Perhaps the scheme is to blame or poor coaching maybe a little of both along with poor attitudes. Who knows? I look foward to the new staff finding and fixing these issues. I really feel like Los ,Landry, DT, MK and Orakpo will benefit most from this regime change. I see it as more of an opportunity for these guys to finally develop rather than an opportunity to move these players out of their natural positions .

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[quote=Mattyk;662444]Who do you put in at starting CB with Hall if you move Rogers?? For the record I'm not a fan of such a move at all.[/quote]

Joe Haden

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I favor getting really crazy and going right to a 3-3-5.

Rogers and Barnes at the corners, Hall or Landry at free safety, Horton at strong safety, Doughty at weak safety. Then Orakpo as a rush LB with Blades and Fletcher as interior types in a gap-focused scheme. Haynesworth-Alexander-Jarmon/Carter on the DL.

Rogers at free safety seems like a bit of a waste, considering that the regression of the scheme in DB aggressiveness (a staple of the Gregg Williams scheme) seems to be primarily to blame for Rogers' poor season, but all the points I would have made seem to have been made already, so I have little to add but to propose a ridiculous defensive alignment.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;662534]For people that watch soccer, trying to put a CB at S is like trying to move a left or right back to center back. Sure you can do it but 9 times out of 10 it's a bad idea. Hopefully the one or two people understand this post can appreciate what I'm trying to say.[/quote]We could make it a good move by sneaking a twelfth guy onto the field, while no one is looking. Bet those European Footballers never thought of that!

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[quote=SmootSmack;662461]Because guys like Woodson, Springs, and Rolle have all done it[/quote]

Rod woodson too. It's not out of the question. But I'd rather give K.Moore a shot and move Landry to SS. I don't think Horton has the range though he's had a nose for the ball.

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[quote=tryfuhl;662504]What about Horton as far as if Moore is at FS and Landry is at SS? Or what about Horton playing FS? I'm assuming you mean the first and in that case, unfortunately Horton won't be starting. If the second, I'm not sure what there's been seen to go with that suggestion.

What about Smoot at FS if we can't fill the role otherwise?[/quote]

I'm sure Horton will play in certain packages. i like the guy and think he could be a quality starter (trading LL might not be a bad idea).

Smoot is terrible. He should be cut.

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[quote=tryfuhl;662518]Yeah that was my thinking, plus his skillset, but yeah I wouldn't want to count on him without exploring other options.

That's what I thought you meant with Horton, unfortunately it probably doesn't give him much of an option, but if Landry is moving to SS primarily, well.. I'd take Landry too. What other option would Horton have to start other than putting on 20-30lbs or so and trying his hand at ILB? Hard to say.

While at what are we going to do with Player X, what about Jarmon if we switch to 3-4, etc? Probably better for a different thread, but there are definitely a number of personnel decisions to be made on the D side of the ball.[/quote]

Horton at OLB. He isn't afraid of putting his face in someone's chest and he has the speed to cover the flats...interesting. I was a fan of signing Roy Williams for that experiment last year. Ideally, you want a player that has played the position but these guys are so athletic that they can or should be able to play multiple positions (what's the difference between playing SS and OLB?) Having played both, granted in HS, the only difference is about 5 yards difference off the LOS and coverage responsibilities.

I wonder if he can put that much weight on.

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WE need to keep Carlos at CB. Our problems in the defensive backfield are not going to be fixed by simply switching a guy over. We are thin in terms of real talent in safeties and cornerbacks.

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Ummmmmmmmmmmm no.

You don't put the guy w/ hoof hands in a position where he needs to at least have the ability to catch the pigskin.

Rogers plays another year or two of football, so long as his physical ability allows him to blanket the better WRs in the league, and then he's history. The notion he was a great corner will go down as the second greatest myth in Skins history behind the one about Landry being a big-play/big-hit safety.

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[quote=GoSkins!;662431]Could Rogers be a good free safety for us?

A move to FS would allow Landry to move back to SS, we keep Hall on a corner, and we fill the other CB position in free agency. Rogers is a pretty good tackler but has stone hands when he has to adjust quickly to the ball. The FS position would allow him to keep the ball in front of him (which might help). I don't see him moving into the elite category of CB's in this league, but I could see him as being so versatile from the FS position that he could be matched up against anyone creating confusion for opposing offenses.

If he would go for it, does anyone else think this would work?[/quote]

Nope.
I think that Rogers has no feel for the ball, isn't good in zone coverage and doesn't have good ball skills.
All these are important parts of playing FS.
If your looking for a CB to play FS i think that Hall has everything you would want to be a great FS.
He has a great natural feel for the ball, he's better in zone coverage and is great when the play is in front of him and breaks down hill on the ball, reacts very well to the ball in flight and has great hands and return ability also he's [I][B]fast[/B][/I] so he could cover a lot of ground.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;662534]For people that watch soccer, trying to put a CB at S is like trying to move a left or right back to center back. Sure you can do it but 9 times out of 10 it's a bad idea. Hopefully the one or two people understand this post can appreciate what I'm trying to say.[/quote]

Huge soccer fan here, and i think moving a CB to S is more like moving a good forward/striker to midfield. Sometimes you get a dynamic attacking playmaking midfielder but you usually just lose a good forward.

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For some reason i don't seem him taking that well.

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[quote=GTripp0012;662661]We could make it a good move by sneaking a twelfth guy onto the field, while no one is looking. Bet those European Footballers never thought of that![/quote]

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