The Worst of Vinny
 

In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?

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[quote=SmootSmack;644663]In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?[/quote]

i beleive there should be an all of the above otion here

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was he responsible for letting Antoine Pierce go? If so that was big oops.

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Only looking at the last two years when he was the man firmly in charge.

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His drafting of multiple linebackers in the midrounds this year was the worst. If we were gonna put Rak at LB, we didn't need to draft Henson and Glenn. We could have used those picks on o-linemen.

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It was the Jason Taylor trade but not simply for the draft picks. It was the fact that he didn't consider how Taylor would fit in with and be used by Greg Blache and how he was doing everything other than what made him a great player. He was a poor fit, that's why it was an awful move.

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if i have to chose one i'd say jason taylor just cause he did nothing here took our money and our draft picks down to miami with him and the 6th pick is in this years draft so that one still stings

kelly is a damn close second but he still has a slimmer of a chance to do something for us

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That Jason Taylor trade was just downright awful.

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Very interesting question. At the time, I would have said drafting Fred Davis. However, in retrospect, it was one of his more brilliant moves. In retrospect, trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor for two years seemed like a pretty good idea. However in retrospect, Taylor was injured, misused by Blache, and a complete waste of a draft picks, a roster spot and salary cap space.

Drafting a punter in the 6th was not a bad move at all either. We needed a punter badly and Brooks looked like a great pick at the time. Reaching for Rinehart, on the other hand, was another bad move.

I also think we should have resigned Washington after the draft (allowing Orakpo to play DE full-time) would have been a great move; however i think our failing to do so had more to do with Blache than anyone else.

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I really want to like Malcolm Kelly for some reason. He seems like a good who has the physical and mental make-up to be a good NFL receiver, but between his knee injuries, the fact that we had just drafted Thomas and Davis, and how much help we needed on both lines I don't really see how Vinny was able to justify taking Kelly when he did.

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1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta
3. Not Resigning Pierce
4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Ducket
5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor

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The Jason Taylor trade was an awful panic move. I never wanted Malcolm Kelly, and I still could pretty much care less about him. I'd love to see him succeed, but I don't see it.

As good as Fred Davis has looked, I would say taking him instead of Desean Jackson. D-Jack was taken the very next pick, and the kid is out of his mind. He would have given us a lights out deep threat and solved our punt return issues in one foul swoop.

Really overall though, I've got say Vinny's inability to build an offensive line despite it being our by far our most glaring deficiency is his biggest failure.

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How about what got him fired and what is our current main problem.

[B]Not addressing the OL during his tenure here.[/B]

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[quote=maroonandblack30;644680]1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
[B]2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta
3. Not Resigning Pierce
4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Duckett[/B]
5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor[/quote]

3 of those were Gibbs moves and I think the Duckett deal was for a 2nd rounder.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;644682]How about what got him fired and what is our current main problem.

[B]Not addressing the OL during his tenure here.[/B][/quote]

Reading's not so much of a strength, huh?

[quote=SmootSmack]In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

[B]Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"[/B][/quote]

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How about the way cut Zorn leggs from under him and slowly took his duties away from him. Turning our team into a circus. Showing no faith in the QB and HC publicly.

Competing with ourselves in contract negotations with AH and D.Hall.

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[quote=SmootSmack;644663]In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?
[B]
Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"[/B]

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?[/quote]

I mean, that's relatively specific. Let's face it, that's a massive failure of Vinny's. I don't have a list of draftees he passed on or FA's he ignored, but all the flashy additions he's made without bolstering the O-line is like trying to strap a jet engine on a Pinto. It ain't gonna fly.

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overpaying for d hall. especially considering all the guaranteed money.

i think d hall's agent played vinny and got d hall top dollar by not accepting vinny's offers, waiting until FA began and used the interest of the patriots to scare vinny into caving in to d hall's contract demands.

with the d hall signing, i think vinny didnt hold his ground and got out maneuvered in negotiation tactics.

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Signing Haynesworth.
He is a brilliant talent but that contract could handcuff us for a very long time.


I changed my pick, I'm going with D.Hall. Too much money for him...

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[quote=warpaint;644688]How about the way cut Zorn leggs from under him and slowly took his duties away from him. Turning our team into a circus. Showing no faith in the QB and HC publicly.

Competing with ourselves in contract negotations with AH and D.Hall.[/quote]

That's a good point. Zorn was his guy. He vouched for him and sold the idea of him as a HC to Danny. Then mid-way through his second season, Vinny publicly castrates him. Apparently he screamed at Zorn after games on more than one occasion. Not to mention how he intentionally didn't say Zorn's name in his departing press conference.

The in-fighting within the organization had apparently become out of control. You know what Vinny, Zorn was your guy.

Another point to mention- I know the hiring process after Gibbs retired was as much Danny as it was Vinny, but that was a total debacle.

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[quote=Lotus;644667]His drafting of multiple linebackers in the midrounds this year was the worst. If we were gonna put Rak at LB, we didn't need to draft Henson and Glenn. We could have used those picks on o-linemen.[/quote]

We definitely didn't need both. I think I would agree with you there

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[quote=GMScud;644689]I mean, that's relatively specific. Let's face it, that's a massive failure of Vinny's. I don't have a list of draftees he passed on or FA's he ignored, but all the flashy additions he's made without bolstering the O-line is like trying to strap a jet engine on a Pinto. It ain't gonna fly.[/quote]

To me that's more about his overall philosophy, not one single decision.

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[quote=SmootSmack;644663]In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

[B]Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?[/B]

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?[/quote]

Hands down the worst move he ever made and he should've been fired for that move alone. That 2nd round pick could've been an o linemen. The guy didn't want to be here, he didn't train during the off season and he left after one year. Have faith in your backups. Hopefully the new guy will.

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[quote=skinsfan69;644699]Hands down the worst move he ever made and he should've been fired for that move alone. That 2nd round pick could've been an o linemen. The guy didn't want to be here, he didn't train during the off season and he left after one year. Have faith in your backups. Hopefully the new guy will.[/quote]

Of course, if we had kept that 2nd rounder, it's more than likely either Cutler or Sanchez is our starting QB this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;644701]Of course, if we had kept that 2nd rounder, it's more than likely either Cutler or Sanchez is our starting QB this year.[/quote]

I guess we can say that move was semi-sucessful.

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I won't say Kelly, because if they get him involved more I still think that he can offer a lot to us. He barely gets into the game and when he does he's often running a "distraction route."

Let's go with Zorn.

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Basically he's an IDIOT! He didn't believe in building a team from the draft (which is a winning way) he tried FA all the time.. He made some solid picks at times but mostly he was retarded.

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if i remember correctly, everyone here except for i think 1 or 2 people, were happy with the JT trade, me included. i guess fans can be afforded the luxury of hindisght but GM/VP execs cant.

idk i just have trouble knocking vinny for the JT trade, of course we are not privy to everything he knew and have to make our assesments on the bare facts like: daniels done for season, JT was 33 (?) future hall of famer, our pass rush had been non-existent the year before, JT agreed to be here 2 years instead of 1 and retiring like he originally was inclinded to do.

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[quote=tryfuhl;644707]I won't say Kelly, because if they get him involved more I still think that he can offer a lot to us. He barely gets into the game and when he does he's often running a "distraction route."

[B]Let's go with Zorn[/B].[/quote]

Re-read the original post

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[quote=wilsowilso;644671]That Jason Taylor trade was just downright awful.[/quote]

count my vote on this one too

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[quote=over the mountain;644710]if i remember correctly, everyone here except for i think 1 or 2 people, were happy with the JT trade, me included. i guess fans can be afforded the luxury of hindisght but GM/VP execs cant.

idk i just have trouble knocking vinny for the JT trade, of course we are not privy to everything he knew and have to make our assesments on the bare facts like: daniels done for season, JT was 33 (?) future hall of famer, our pass rush had been non-existent the year before, JT agreed to be here 2 years instead of 1 and retiring like he originally was inclinded to do.[/quote]

Just checked that out...


Jason Taylor Trade

In favour - 195
Against - 17

I was one of the minority.

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It was easily the trade of a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor. That was typical Snyderatto that summed up everything Vinny was all about.

2nd place for me would be the Malcom Kelly pick...after already picking 2 pass catchers you would think he could have used 1 of the #2 picks on a lineman even if they were not the next player on their board.

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i think trading for brandon Lloyd was even worst than the jason taylor, in fact it was the worst move.

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I hate having to stand up for Vinny, but somebody has to.

Most of what people consider the worst recent moves fall squarely on the shoulders of Joe Gibbs.

LLoyd, Archuletta, El, Duckett, all arrived when he was calling the shots.

I loved Gibbs first time around but let's put the blame where it should be.

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[quote=SmootSmack;644713]Re-read the original post[/quote]
Oh whoops; I'd probably say Taylor, sure a lot of people agreed with it, but we're not GM's either. We were looking to replace a non-freelance spot with a guy who was known as a run stopper with a freelancing small pass rusher. After that I'd say the overdrafting of LBs, especially Glenn. I'd say that because we're likely to never see the guy start anywhere and we will with Kelly I believe.

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For me its a tossup between Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd all in the same year

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[quote=SmootSmack;644663][B]In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move? [/B]

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?[/quote]

So just to recap here, Vinny's player-roster moves since January 2008 until November 2009. The time that he was EVP of the team. So I don't think Adam Archuleta really counts. or Brandon Lloyd...unless you think cutting Lloyd was Vinny's worst move as EVP

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[quote=over the mountain;644690]overpaying for d hall. especially considering all the guaranteed money.

i think d hall's agent played vinny and got d hall top dollar by not accepting vinny's offers, waiting until FA began and used the interest of the patriots to scare vinny into caving in to d hall's contract demands.

with the d hall signing,[B] i think vinny didnt hold his ground and got out maneuvered in negotiation tactics.[/B][/quote]

So what about Tampa barely breaking 80 mil to get Albert and they where the runners up in that whole Haynesworth sweepstakes. So what was that conversation like? I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE LIKE.....

DS: Well it looks like we can get him for 80 mil total.

VC: Why dont we go 92 mil thats the number he will wear.

DS: Thats more like it honey Oh Uh I mean Vinny

VC: Thanks I bet the press will just go crazy over this

DS: How about I one up you, do you remember member the amount of jerseys we sold when we made Adam Archuleta the highest payed safty in league history?

VC: I like were you are going with this Danny!

DS: Aha I've got it! 100million that would make him the highest payed Defenseive player in league history.

VC: Lets do it! You really are a Business Guru.

DS: You dont think he would talk to the press about the way we might possible miss use him? You remember Adam did.

VC: Never, just like the way I have an eye for evaluating coaching and player talent. My other eye is for evaluating personality why do you think they look like this.

DS: Alright.

VC: Besides what can go wrong. This year is a lock, I feel a Dynasty now you and I are running things.

DS: You are right now lets get DeANGELO'S agent on the line.

VC: Now this right here is going to be like taking candy from a baby!

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davy - yeah i gotta agree with you there. i remember the year before we signed lloyd and ARE our passing game lacked any vertical movement which was they most glaring complaint and need for the team at the time. gibbs had brought in stop-gap guys like reche caldwell and irving friar b/c we had noone so the next year we signed lloyd and ARE. (am i right on irving friar that year or was that earlier?)

but i guess the decision to tear up lloyds contract with 1 year remaining and giving him a new lucatrive one before you even saw him in burgundy and gold was on vinny. why not let him audition for a year then asses his contract value? of course im taking an educated guess that vinny was the one in control of lloyds contract decision.

warpaint - it has been rumored the giants offered more than the skins, somthing like 103 to 108 mil. i personally like how the AH contract is set up assuming next year is uncapped and 20+ mil of the guaranteed money he is set to get next year actually gets done and off the books going forward after next year.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;644680]1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta
3. Not Resigning Pierce
4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Ducket
5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor[/quote]

and the list goes on for me so the only thing i would add to that is
we need to do just the opposite trade a few of what we have for picks so
we can begin the process and do it the right way.

cousin vinny did a awesome job didn,t he,lol