What if...?
 

QB Ben Roethlisberger had been drafted by the Redskins instead of Sean Taylor?

How do you think that would have impacted the Redskins by week 5, Offensively..?

How do you think that would have impacted the Defense ranking in the top 2, w/o ST..?

Lastly, if you could go back & swap that pick, would you..?

My View:
I think Ben is going to be a superstar in the NFL. I think he's the new generation Terry Bradshaw. The Steelers have been waiting for this guy, since Terry retired & Ben was not even born yet.
If I was pulling the trigger draft day, I would have seriously considered Ben, since we clearly did not have a QB of the future on our Roster.

Here's a quick breakdown on Ben:
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QB 6-5 241 3/2/81 R Miami (Ohio)
For more info click [URL=http://www.steelers.com/team/player|2]here[/URL]

HECK NO.

If we don't have a qb of the future on our roster, then what is Patrick Ramsey? QB wasn't even on our radar, Ramsey just got drafted two years ago!

Nah, I'd rather Taylor. Every other team in our division has a physical presence at safety (Stoutmire for the Giants, Roy Williams and Brian Dawkins). I think Taylor can be as good or better than all of them. At 6'2" 231 he's bigger than all of them and looks to be faster too. He's going to be a beast back there, I really think once LaVar gets back in there we'll see Taylor take off. The defense has been AWESOME thus far and to add back in QB Killa will really make it easier for the secondary.

It would have had a negative affect. Brunell would have been the starter anyway and they would not have had Taylor so they very well may have lost in Chicago also and been 1-4. Gibbs does not trust young QB's so why would he want another one to go along with Ramsey? Gibbs would never play a rookie QB. Ramsey is in year 3 and Gibbs still looks at him like a rookie...

Assuming though that they did draft and start big Ben, the Steelers are better than the Redskins right now so if you put big Ben on the Redskins you would most likely get a very different result.

To hell with that we have our own futere superstar, and his name is Patrick Ramsay. Not to mention another superstar on the other side of the ball too, that being Sean Tayler of course. Trust me guys, in two year, Ramsay is gonna be the most loved guy in the entire DC metro area.

I hate to be a doubter this early in the season, but Mark looks like he's not strong enough this season to throw the ball down field & really challenge the secondary & Patrick looks lost in a new system he's obviously not ready for.

So far this season Ramsey looks like he's still affected by the beating he endured under Spurriers failed system.

The only bright spots this season on offense are Portis & Cooley, both have been great additions.

I've heard that even though Ken Whisenhunt is the OC in Pittsburgh Russ Grimm designs a lot of the plays. And his offensive philosophy is heavily influenced by Joe Gibbs-no surprise there

So with that in mind it seems as though Rothlisberger has picked up this offense at a much faster rate than Ramsey. Still, as has been pointed out, we did have Brunell and Ramsey at the time of the draft. And unless we were going to trade Ramsey for a high pick and draft both Ben and Sean I would have gone with Taylor.

Rothlisberger has played great, but chances are in the next 5 years there will be many more QBs like Rothlisberger than there will be Safetys like Sean Taylor

I agree Ramsey looked really lost in the whole ONE HALF he played. I mean common now, why is everyone writing him off. I understand all the critisims, but dont you think we should see what we have before we go on wanting other guys? Rothlisberger has only played 4 games, should we throw him in the HOF? Ramsey has played a half, should we send him packing? I am a huge fan of Rothlesberger, I think hes gonna be awsome, but common this one is Taylor all the way.

Roth has looked great, much better than most expected him to this quickly.

I agree with Gmanc711, I'm not ready to give up on Ramsey, he still has plenty of potential.

QBs coming up in college now are going to be a dime a dozen, and the current crop of stars are at the end of their carreers so it's time for a changing of the guard. Roth is good, but he wouldn't have a shot in D.C. this year as no matter how Brunell is struggling, he's our man unless he can't play physically. Taylor can and will make an impact now. We are only in week 7, still 10 games to go and we can theorectially still go 12-4. If our team would play to their potential we have a great squad on offense. I think Ramesy will be a good QB and personally would stick with him.

Taylor wasn't my 1st pick, I wanted to trade down and get Tommie Harris and another solid defensive player in the 1st 2 rounds. My favorite pick so far was Cooley in round 3.

I agree rothlesburger is the real deal
Taylor is good but we need to score some points.

[QUOTE=kingerock]
Taylor wasn't my 1st pick, I wanted to trade down and get Tommie Harris and another solid defensive player in the 1st 2 rounds. My favorite pick so far was Cooley in round 3.[/QUOTE]


Thats a interesting point, and at the time of the draft, I really wanted Taylor but agree that trading down and geting another DT would have been smarter. However, with the way our Defense has played, I'm happy with the way we went. I mean Griffen is playing AWSOME, and the other guys ( Wynn, Salve', Noble, Evans, Warner ) are all doing well in their roles too. We dont have a dominant pass rusher still, but with the unique blitzes we have, it really dosent matter at this point. I'm really happy we got Sean.

[list=1][*]If we had drafted Big Ben he'd be 3rd on the depth chart & would've had no impact this season. And besides he beat the cowboys (something we have'nt done in.....)[*]If we didn't have Taylor we'd be hurting with all the injuries in the secondary. Although we'd probably have the same record (he made some big plays against chicago) maybe one more loss. So I think it would've had a negetive impact.[*]If we draft Roethlisberger we would've gotten rid of Ramsey. I just don't see any team out there that would've given us his fair value due to the fact that he was injured last season & in the fun'n'done offense of spurrier he did'nt look very good. And besides I have'nt seen Ramsey start this year and I won't write him off yet. I don't think Gibbs has either. If I could've swapped somebody I would've taken Warner instead of Brunnell.[/list]:banghead:

Once Ramsey takes the helm we'll be unstoppable. I'd hate to think how Ramsey would have felt with Br coming in. Not Gibbs' style at all.

Ramsey is the future, as is Sean Taylor. This team (Offense) is finally coming together.

[QUOTE=4TH RING]If we draft Roethlisberger we would've gotten rid of Ramsey. I just don't see any team out there that would've given us his fair value due to the fact that he was injured last season & in the fun'n'done offense of spurrier he did'nt look very good.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Miami offer us a first-round pick for him?

You only think he's the next generation Terry Bradshaw because he happens to be playing for the Steelers! If he was on the niners, you'd say Joe Montana, or the Chargers, you'd say Dan Fouts, Houston, you'd say Warren Moon.

I haven;t seen much of ben rockthisburger, but I know I have seen much of patrick ramsey, and he looks far better.

Miami had the #19 pick & if the trade rumors were true. I still think you don't trade Ramsey. IMO I don't think you can call him a bust yet. He's started 1 year in a offense that was flawed. Besides I think Gibbs would've already pulled the trigger if he didn't believe in him.

[QUOTE=Bozzy]You only think he's the next generation Terry Bradshaw because he happens to be playing for the Steelers! If he was on the niners, you'd say Joe Montana, or the Chargers, you'd say Dan Fouts, Houston, you'd say Warren Moon.

I haven;t seen much of ben rockthisburger, but I know I have seen much of patrick ramsey, and he looks far better.[/QUOTE]

Bozzy, I did mention Bradshaw for the simple fact that there has not been a QB in Pitt. that has made an instant impact like Ben is making this season. Ben is the second coming of TB. Pitt. fans are celebrating the success this kids bringing their team.

I'll say this though, I consider myself a real student of the game & I know what to look for when I see a good quarter, all the way up to the way he moves his feet to the way he extends his arm when throwing under pressure. Ben is the real deal Dan Marino! LOL

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]Bozzy, I did mention Bradshaw for the simple fact that there has not been a QB in Pitt. that has made an instant impact like Ben is making this season. Ben is the second coming of TB. Pitt. fans are celebrating the success this kids bringing their team.

I'll say this though, I consider myself a real student of the game & I know what to look for when I see a good quarter, all the way up to the way he moves his feet to the way he extends his arm when throwing under pressure. Ben is the real deal Dan Marino! LOL[/QUOTE]

You say that he would be the next Bradshaw and like you said untill Ben the steelers never really had a QB make an impact like he is now. But Bradshaw really wasn't that good, I mean I live in PA and I am surrounded by Steeler fans and they even say that Bradshaw wasn't that good. Yes, he does have 4 SB rings, but at the same time steeler fans say that if Lynn Swan had any other QB throwing to him, his NFL career would have ben extened by at least 5 more years. Bradshaw either over threw or under threw his passes. Bradshaw would put the ball up and let Stallworth or Swan go up and get it.

Now Ben on the other hand looks to have some accuracy more that Bradshaw did. And Ben is a better mobile QB than him. I agree that Ben does have very good QB attrabutes(SP) and he will be good in this league, but also it doesnt hurt him that he is throwing to Hines Ward, Buress, and Randel El, or that he has Staley and Bettis in his backfield.

[QUOTE=Bozzy]....I haven;t seen much of ben rockthisburger, but I know I have seen much of patrick ramsey, and he looks far better.[/QUOTE]

It is clear you must not have seen much of Rothlisberger. I have seen alot of both Rothlesberger and Ramsey and you are wrong on this one. I watched alot of Ben R. college games in his senior year. In my opinion Ben R. was the best QB in the NCAA last year. Regardless of the stats.
Ben R. was a Heisman canidate and an incredible college QB. Ramsey was not.
Ramsey got sacked a ton in college and the pro's. Ben R. has not.

It is way to early to say Ben R. will be great, but so far in his brief NFL career he has played great.

Ramsey has had brief moments of greatness just like Ben R. but he has also had moments of sucking the big one. Ben R. so far has not, but that might change.

You can't judge every QB the same, system's help and hurt QB's, some are simplified like Pitt., and other's complicated like our's, I really like big Ben, but if he was playing in our system, he wouldn't be playing end of story, The thing with the steeler's is, this is the first time Cower has had a legitimate QB IMO, the steeler's will be a real contender for year's to come now that they have a QB who is capable of winning games, instead of playing not to lose.

You know I can respect those of you who have so much confidence for Ramsey but I have made it clear from last year that Ramsey to me is the embodiment of so many QB's in the past who have shown flashes of greatness but who never reach their full potential due to a lack of instinctive knowledge to make the big plays when it is absolutely neccessary like Rothelisberger has shown. I believe based on what I have seen from Rothlisberger since preseason that he is the kind of QB of the future for any team. 6'5 , 245lbs. is no small deal and mobile with the instincts to get out of the pocket and complete his pass is what Redskins fans have wanted since Brad Johnson. If it were my choice, I would have to go with Big Ben over Taylor because it's much harder to find a QB with this kind of size and insightfulness that he exhibits.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]You know I can respect those of you who have so much confidence for Ramsey but I have made it clear from last year that Ramsey to me is the embodiment of so many QB's in the past who have shown flashes of greatness but who never reach their full potential due to a lack of instinctive knowledge to make the big plays when it is absolutely neccessary like Rothelisberger has shown. I believe based on what I have seen from Rothlisberger since preseason that he is the kind of QB of the future for any team. 6'5 , 245lbs. is no small deal and mobile with the instincts to get out of the pocket and complete his pass is what Redskins fans have wanted since Brad Johnson. If it were my choice, I would have to go with Big Ben over Taylor because it's much harder to find a QB with this kind of size and insightfulness that he exhibits.[/QUOTE]


So is there another Ramsey in the NFL that you have been watching? Because the 1 I watched last year bought us back against philli, with a bad foot I might add, he also bought us back against the giant's last year, and he ran all over the field to finally complete a pass on a 2 point conversion to McCant's, to tie that game, his first game ever he came in against the Titan's when we were down and pushed the ball up and down the field on them for his first win and that was a better game throwing than anything big ben has done so far stat wise, Ramsey has had absolutly no defense the last 2 year's, how accountable can you hold him if he bring's a team back to watch the defense give it away? System's have a lot to do with QB success, Griese has looked pretty good latly, considering he's replacing big time Brad Johnson, who IMO you can file right along side Trent Dilfer, Ben R is also stepping into an established system, all the player's know what is expected which will make it much easier on a new player, where as Ramsey is on the sidelines waiting to try and play in a new system, where everyone seem's to be still learning, Ramsey has great pocket awareness he just need's time to get comfortable with the system so he can stop thinking and start playing, then he will get rid of the ball and cut down on the sack's, but last year he barely had time to turn and set let alone throw, he was also almost automatic when he had breathing room to look over the defense and make a decision, and buy the way guess who has the stronger arm? Ramsey, Ramsey intelligence wise is also 1 of the smartest player's in football, yes I do believe that will quailify him with the ability to learn, and progress.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]You know I can respect those of you who have so much confidence for Ramsey but I have made it clear from last year that Ramsey to me is the embodiment of so many QB's in the past who have shown flashes of greatness but who never reach their full potential due to a lack of instinctive knowledge to make the big plays when it is absolutely neccessary like Rothelisberger has shown. I believe based on what I have seen from Rothlisberger since preseason that he is the kind of QB of the future for any team. 6'5 , 245lbs. is no small deal and mobile with the instincts to get out of the pocket and complete his pass is what Redskins fans have wanted since Brad Johnson. If it were my choice, I would have to go with Big Ben over Taylor because it's much harder to find a QB with this kind of size and insightfulness that he exhibits.[/QUOTE]

I hear what you're saying SUNRA. Right now Ben Roth is looking phenomenal but a lot of that is because he's been put in a position to play. I think ultimately we'll see the top QBs who were drafted last April playing-Roethlisberger, Manning, Rivers-and see that, while I think Big Ben may be slightly better than the others the difference isn't that great.

For Safety though, it was Sean Taylor and everyone else. Taylor was clearly the best safety in the draft and you could make an argument that he was the best defensive player period.

[QUOTE=offiss]So is there another Ramsey in the NFL that you have been watching? Because the 1 I watched last year bought us back against philli, with a bad foot I might add, he also bought us back against the giant's last year, and he ran all over the field to finally complete a pass on a 2 point conversion to McCant's, to tie that game, his first game ever he came in against the Titan's when we were down and pushed the ball up and down the field on them for his first win and that was a better game throwing than anything big ben has done so far stat wise, Ramsey has had absolutly no defense the last 2 year's, how accountable can you hold him if he bring's a team back to watch the defense give it away? System's have a lot to do with QB success, Griese has looked pretty good latly, considering he's replacing big time Brad Johnson, who IMO you can file right along side Trent Dilfer, Ben R is also stepping into an established system, all the player's know what is expected which will make it much easier on a new player, where as Ramsey is on the sidelines waiting to try and play in a new system, where everyone seem's to be still learning, Ramsey has great pocket awareness he just need's time to get comfortable with the system so he can stop thinking and start playing, then he will get rid of the ball and cut down on the sack's, but last year he barely had time to turn and set let alone throw, he was also almost automatic when he had breathing room to look over the defense and make a decision, and buy the way guess who has the stronger arm? Ramsey, Ramsey intelligence wise is also 1 of the smartest player's in football, yes I do believe that will quailify him with the ability to learn, and progress.[/QUOTE]

Two of the best QB's in the league are going head to head this weekend in Foxboro. Both started their careers around the same time as Ramsey under similar circumstances. New coach, new system. You asked if there is another Ramsey that I have been watching this year. The answer is no. Tom Brady, Chad Pennington, David Carr and Joey Harrrington have surpassed Ramsey on many levels because they instantaneously gained the confidence of their coaches through leadership and execution.

Ramsey's first year as a starter was rocky and proved to me that he could take a hit but obviously could not anticipate the blitz. In response to the Eagles game, Ramsey brought the team back in the final minutes of the game only to overthrow Coles for the two point conversion which would have tied the game. Ramsey threw an INT against the Giants on that exact passing route to Coles this year. With regard to the Giants game last year, Ramsey was unsuccessful at moving the ball in the first half and made a valiant effort to come back, but we lost that one too. Your record says who you are. Not what you have the potential to become. Ramsey hasn't played long enough to even qualify a lengthy discussion on his behalf. Coach Gibbs will not call Ramsey out in the public but Brunell would not be in D.C if Gibbs were confident that Ramsey fit into his system. I believe that Gibbs is buying time with Brunell until another veteran QB is available and Ramsey will be traded within the next two years. How many QB's has this happened to in the past 12 seasons? The list is too long to mention.

Although in any Redskins fantasy having Rothlisberger would be a dream....
BUT I think we had more pressing needs in the April draft particularly at running back position and on defense. We had signed a veteran, and have a young gun in Ramsey.....Pittsburgh had signed Duce and has a solid O line so Rothlisberger fit right in........Rothlisberger may be the best young QB out there, even better than Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, or Rivers ......

But yes makes a nice dream to see him in burgundy and gold......... :sleep:

Well, I am not a Ramsey fan. And it's NOT just because of the little play in THIS regular season. It is his MANY and very OBVIOUS flaws. At this point, he looks like a bust.

BUT... With Ramsey staying on the roster (and in Gibbs' plans) and Brunell added, it would have been insane to pick Rothlisberger in the first round. As others pointed out, he had ZERO chance of playing this year under Gibbs, and Gibbs still had not given up on Ramsey. Why add an unknown (which he was until he played in the NFL) when you already have a starter PLUS a QB that is clearly a major project to develop. It is not wise to have to develpmental project QB's at the same time (and that IS what BR was at that time)

Lastly, why are you so quick to throw away Taylor!!????? That makes no sense to me. This guy has amazing and very rare talents for his position. He will be a huge implact player over many seasons.

Ramsey needs more time to prove himself before he can be fairly labled as a bust, right now he's not even close simply because he hasn't played enough.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ramsey needs more time to prove himself before he can be fairly labled as a bust, right now he's not even close simply because he hasn't played enough.[/QUOTE]

So given the comparison of Harrington, Carr, Pennington and Brady to Ramsey, why isn't Ramsey getting the time if his passing percentage is so great?

if Ben was on our team hed be on teh bench. Ramsey isnt playing for us so what makes you think that ben would. Gibbs is sticking with the vet and letting him learn the system.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]if Ben was on our team hed be on teh bench. Ramsey isnt playing for us so what makes you think that ben would. Gibbs is sticking with the vet and letting him learn the system.[/QUOTE]

We all know that before one ball is thrown in practice the players have to review a complex playbook. A veteran would certainly understand a little more about the offensive schemes than a younger QB, so of course Rothlisberger would be on the bench. Brunell is suppose to be here until Ramsey is ready to take over the helm, right? Wrong. Brunell has a seven year contract, while Ramsey has a three year conract. It's obvious that Brunell will not be here for another three years. I would not be surprised that Ramsey could be traded for a draft pick. Gibbs is more comfortable with older veteran QB's and that's not going to change. So, if Ramsey doesn't play this year he will not want to be a Redskin next year. It was a sticky situation when Brunell arrived and Gibbs handled it the way he knew best. It is unfortunate that Ramsey's only appearance was as distasterous as last years season. But time will tell.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]We all know that before one ball is thrown in practice the players have to review a complex playbook. A veteran would certainly understand a little more about the offensive schemes than a younger QB, so of course Rothlisberger would be on the bench. Brunell is suppose to be here until Ramsey is ready to take over the helm, right? Wrong. Brunell has a seven year contract, while Ramsey has a three year conract. It's obvious that Brunell will not be here for another three years. I would not be surprised that Ramsey could be traded for a draft pick. Gibbs is more comfortable with older veteran QB's and that's not going to change. So, if Ramsey doesn't play this year he will not want to be a Redskin next year. It was a sticky situation when Brunell arrived and Gibbs handled it the way he knew best. It is unfortunate that Ramsey's only appearance was as distasterous as last years season. But time will tell.[/QUOTE]If I can remember back to last year Ramsey had some very good games. Also I don't think he lost the starting job because of poor performance, actually he was playing with a bad foot most of the season and eventually had to be put on the IR list. I don't know how that could be percieved as disasterious. In what sense, that he was'nt able to perform in a system that was getting him consantly hit because of poor blocking schemes. I put that one on Spurrier. Also i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the players that Ben has surrounding him on offense are better than what we had last season. As you pointed out Brunnell has a big contract that would be hard to justify if he were riding the pine. Gibbs knew all along who was going to be starting. Ramsey never had a chance, he's "too young". So I don't agree you can call him a bust and like you said time will tell.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]So given the comparison of Harrington, Carr, Pennington and Brady to Ramsey, why isn't Ramsey getting the time if his passing percentage is so great?[/QUOTE]I don't like comparing QB's, they all have different circumstances to consider. It's not as easy to say, well one guy is doing well, so why can't another?

Pennington sat for a few years before he played. Carr and Harrington have both had the committment of their organizations as the franchise guy right from the start.

Ramsey held out his rookie year, was thrust into the lineup prematurely and was in a flawed system. He only has 16 career starts, it's way too early to draw any hardline conclusions about him in my opinion.

The one thing about the QB's you mentioned all have in common is they've had the benefit of learning and developing in one system. They've all had time to learn their systems, Ramsey is starting out fresh in his 2nd system, a system that is radically different than the one he was in the last 2 years.

I believe Ramsey is still a large part of Gibbs' plan for this team, or else he would have looked to deal him away this offseason when he had the chance.

Matty, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Two of the best QB's in the league are going head to head this weekend in Foxboro. Both started their careers around the same time as Ramsey under similar circumstances. New coach, new system. You asked if there is another Ramsey that I have been watching this year. The answer is no. Tom Brady, Chad Pennington, David Carr and Joey Harrrington have surpassed Ramsey on many levels because they instantaneously gained the confidence of their coaches through leadership and execution.

Ramsey's first year as a starter was rocky and proved to me that he could take a hit but obviously could not anticipate the blitz. In response to the Eagles game, Ramsey brought the team back in the final minutes of the game only to overthrow Coles for the two point conversion which would have tied the game. Ramsey threw an INT against the Giants on that exact passing route to Coles this year. With regard to the Giants game last year, Ramsey was unsuccessful at moving the ball in the first half and made a valiant effort to come back, but we lost that one too. Your record says who you are. Not what you have the potential to become. Ramsey hasn't played long enough to even qualify a lengthy discussion on his behalf. [QUOTE] Coach Gibbs will not call Ramsey out in the public but Brunell would not be in D.C if Gibbs were confident that Ramsey fit into his system.[/QUOTE] I believe that Gibbs is buying time with Brunell until another veteran QB is available and Ramsey will be traded within the next two years. How many QB's has this happened to in the past 12 seasons? The list is too long to mention.[/QUOTE]


What on earth have Harrington, and Carr done? Other than start for to awful team's?


[QUOTE]Coach Gibbs will not call Ramsey out in the public but Brunell would not be in D.C if Gibbs were confident that Ramsey fit into his system.[/QUOTE]

So in other word's Brunell does? And where is your basis for that? Certainly not his play on the field up till now, infact we would in all likelihood be 4-2 if Brunell wasen't completly inept, and I don't want to hear about how he has lost it, Brunell never had it to play in a system like Gibb's, [why do you think Coughlin fought with managment to get rid of him in Jax?] where the QB stay's in the pocket and uses his arm to win games, not his leg's, or his ability to scramble and adlib, Brunell was never a pocket passer, he was alway's a poor, poor man's Favre, I think most would say Gibb's evaluation of Brunell right now, was a little off, the coach is not infallible, he has been out of football a while his eye for talent may be a little rusty at this point.

There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that it's only a matter of time before Ramsey step's in and shut's all his detractor's up.

personnaly i think ben wouldn't of worked here he wouldn't even be playing. I like our pick but if there would have been anybody that i would have picked over Taylor is Roy Williams of Detroit he is a man child and he would have scored td's unlike our recievers now

I'd give ramsey next season... he'll be a beast, not only making the throws but calling plays from the line of scrimmage like manning. he'll know the system. if not brad smith of missouri is my choice the next cullpepper, but i'd rather use the pick on someone like mike williams and trade gardner for picks or something like that ( even though i'd love gardner in washington)

Even if we drafted Big Ben, he wouldn't be playing right now for us.

gardner has gone a couple weeks without drops at least... *shrugs*

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]Patrick looks lost in a new system he's obviously not ready for.

So far this season Ramsey looks like he's still affected by the beating he endured under Spurriers failed system.

[/QUOTE]
On what minimal play time are you basing this observation on? How many snaps a week does Ramsey get with first team?Ramsey SHOULD be starting this is HIS team and the record would be better if he had been starting since game 1.As far as Ben goes no way!Taylor IS ALREADY a star in this league,Ben has had a couple good games,so what?Tommy Maddox had GREAT games as a rookie as well(people said he was the next ELWAY)then he sold insurance for a lot of years.Clint Longley was a Warner wanna be before his time.Point is you don't put a guy in the hall after a few good performances in week 7 of his ROOKIE season. :coach:

I heard that the WR's have complained that they can't get open to allow Brunell to throw to them, but in Spurriers offense we threw the ball better with Ramsey at QB.

I'd have to say that Ramsey is not at fault, but the system is clearly not allowing the Skins WR's to get open down field. I also could say that Brunell is not looking for his recv'rs long enough, plus Brunell needs to roll out to the right once in awhile. Rolling to the left is becoming too obvious.

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]I heard that the WR's have complained that they can't get open to allow Brunell to throw to them, but in Spurriers offense we threw the ball better with Ramsey at QB.

I'd have to say that Ramsey is not at fault, but the system is clearly not allowing the Skins WR's to get open down field. I also could say that Brunell is not looking for his recv'rs long enough, plus Brunell needs to roll out to the right once in awhile. Rolling to the left is becoming too obvious.[/QUOTE]

It really doesn't matter what side a QB rolls out to, someone on that Redskins line is letting guys get threw in Brunell's grill with ease and that's one reason Walter Rasby isn't here. With this offensive line which isn't that great the excuse would be made by Ramsey supporters that he's coming into a new system and the O line isn't protecting him. The system of Spurrier is over. If Ramsey can't shake off what Spurrier did to him what good is he to this team under Gibbs?