Report: Cooley to IR today
 

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At this point, why rush Cooley back. The Redskins are 3-7, going no where

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No sense in coming back to this mess. Might as well heal up and get ready for next year.

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Let me see, broken ankle,....pins in ankle,....out 4-6 weeks,......THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS WEEKS AGO!

It was a no brainer. I guess since they are getting something out of Davis and Yoder they decided to play it safe? They could have brought in another TE for the remaining part of the season ....just in case. Instead they wait 4 weeks and make a decision?....idiots.

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Season is done now maybe the reason they waited was because at the time of injury the playoffs were a possibility now it's not.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;630044]Season is done now maybe the reason they waited was because at the time of injury the playoffs were a possibility now it's not.[/quote]

Most likely...plus Fred Davis has done very well.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;630044]Season is done now maybe the reason they waited was because at the time of injury the playoffs were a possibility now it's not.[/quote]

That and you never know how someone is going to heal. There are many reasons to not IR a guy before you have to. I know it's easy to say they should have done it right away, but there's no need to shut someone down prematurely.

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[quote=Mattyk72;630055]That and you never know how someone is going to heal. There are many reasons to not IR a guy before you have to. I know it's easy to say they should have done it right away, but there's no need to shut someone down prematurely.[/quote]

Agreed, and once they're on IR there's no de-IRing them back, that's their season. Cooley sounded like he wanted to come back & felt he could heal quickly. I would think that a player of his stature has a lot of leeway in the decision.

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[quote=Ruhskins;630053]Most likely...plus Fred Davis has done very well.[/quote]

yes, he has, although he's no CC. To be honest, if there's no cap in 2010, i think we should atleast explore trading CC. If we can get a mid 1st rounder and a later round pick for him, we'd have to consider it.

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No surprise really. No need in rushing him back with our record this year and Davis is playing well and the extra playing time will benefit him. Good move. Injuries seem to be the only way for the young guys to move up and get real playing time. I would sure like to see Mitchell get more plays called to him this year and see how he responds.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;630062]yes, he has, although he's no CC. To be honest, if there's no cap in 2010, i think we should atleast explore trading CC. If we can get a mid 1st rounder and a later round pick for him, we'd have to consider it.[/quote]

Why why why??!! This just makes no sense. We need better management to make better use of the picks that we have and be smart in free agency.

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^I think it all depends on what the new HC wants to do. Most teams have one great TE and one half decent TE and get the job done. We actually have to excellent TE's and were talking trading one away. Maybe the new HC will have a better understanding as to how to utilize a 2TE set.

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[quote=Ruhskins;630072]Why why why??!! This just makes no sense. We need better management to make better use of the picks that we have and be smart in free agency.[/quote]

balancing of needs. we are "stocked" at talent at some positions and have next to no talent at others. I also think we should investigate trading Haynesworth if we could get atleast two 1st rounders for him. In 4 years, he'll need to be cut anyways and this team will not be competitive for atleast another 3 years. theres absolutely no reason to keep guys like that around when you're rebuilding from the ground up. you gotta think big picture, long term.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;630078]balancing of needs. we are "stocked" at talent at some positions and have next to no talent at others. I also think we should investigate trading Haynesworth if we could get atleast two 1st rounders for him. In 4 years, he'll need to be cut anyways and this team will not be competitive for atleast another 3 years. theres absolutely no reason to keep guys like that around when you're rebuilding from the ground up. you gotta think big picture, long term.[/quote]

You are working under the assumptions that teams will just trade with us or that we can trade someone with as big of a contract as Albert Haynesworth.

Stockpiling picks and having a team where everyone is under 25 years old is not necessarily the best way to build up a team. We already have a lot of young players that will make an impact (some already are) in the future (Kelly, Thomas, Davis, Tryon, Barnes, Orakpo, Jarmon, Rhinehart).

The team could easily get some picks by tendering Rogers and/or Campbell (well maybe Campbell, I doubt anyone would give up anything for Rogers). You could try trading Moss if any team will take him (shit, if Greg Lewis will get you a 4th rounder from the Pats, I'm sure we could get at least that from any team).

Having a ton of picks does not equate to success. And this team has already a lot of young players that they can build upon in the future. It is very foolish to get rid of your best player, especially on the offensive side of the ball where this team has been lacking.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;630078]balancing of needs. we are "stocked" at talent at some positions and have next to no talent at others. I also think we should investigate trading Haynesworth if we could get atleast two 1st rounders for him. In 4 years, he'll need to be cut anyways and this team will not be competitive for atleast another 3 years. theres absolutely no reason to keep guys like that around when you're rebuilding from the ground up. you gotta think big picture, long term.[/quote]

You are operating under the assumption a 1st ropund pick is a guarantee. What if you trade Cooley for a first rounder that turns out to be a crack head or does not fit team chemistry. All 1st rounders do not turn out to be good. Keep teh known qualities and build on them. Get rid of the known busts. Draft picks aren't always the answer.

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Moss off limits to trade. He is the veteran we keep with the youngsters. You need a mix of experience and youngstrers.

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Was that you I heard on EITM this morning?

"Am I on the air? What? Uhhhh I wanted the audio about Cooley?"

Gave me a chuckle.

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No trade of Cooley, we will have a strong 2 tight end set next year. Glad to see him go on IR though.

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I mostly agree with both Ruhskins and BigHaired.

I think we look to see what we can get for folks like Moss, Rogers, Portis, or Campbell. We try to do this first.

Failing this, precisely because Cooley is our best player he might make the best trade to stockpile some picks. His injury status could hurt his trade value, though. We can't trade him cheaply, we should look to get a first and another later pick. With those picks we theoretically could upgrade the entire right side of the o-line, for example. This may be of greater value to us than two fine tight ends.

Even with two tight end sets, how are we going to get full value out of both Cooley and Davis? If they both have 65 catches, our wide receivers will see few balls.

As for Haynesworth, I don't see that trade happening. If someone else wanted to pay him as much as he is getting, they would have done so when we signed him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;630088]You are working under the assumptions that teams will just trade with us or that we can trade someone with as big of a contract as Albert Haynesworth.

Stockpiling picks and having a team where everyone is under 25 years old is not necessarily the best way to build up a team. We already have a lot of young players that will make an impact (some already are) in the future (Kelly, Thomas, Davis, Tryon, Barnes, Orakpo, Jarmon, Rhinehart).

The team could easily get some picks by tendering Rogers and/or Campbell (well maybe Campbell, I doubt anyone would give up anything for Rogers). You could try trading Moss if any team will take him (shit, if Greg Lewis will get you a 4th rounder from the Pats, I'm sure we could get at least that from any team).

Having a ton of picks does not equate to success. And this team has already a lot of young players that they can build upon in the future. It is very foolish to get rid of your best player, especially on the offensive side of the ball where this team has been lacking.[/quote]

Good post!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;630062]yes, he has, although he's no CC. To be honest, if there's no cap in 2010, i think we should atleast [B]explore trading CC. If we can get a mid 1st rounder and a later round pick for him, we'd have to consider it[/B].[/quote]

You and I are pretty much by ourselves on this one, but I do agree.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;630188]You and I are pretty much by ourselves on this one, but I do agree.[/quote]
Not so fast .... we have a trifecta . Not that I want to trade players , but we aren't winning with the guys we have , and if some team is willing to part with fair value < or more > , you have to be willing to pull the trigger .

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[quote=budw38;630235]Not so fast .... we have a trifecta . Not that I want to trade players , but we aren't winning with the guys we have , and if some team is willing to part with fair value < or more > , you have to be willing to pull the trigger .[/quote]

Can any of you name is Pro Bowl athlete in his prime that has been traded to another team?

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Portis?

Bailey?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;630267]Portis?

Bailey?[/quote]

Well that was a somewhat straight up trade. I mean are people looking to get the Herschel Walker trade all over again with Cooley?

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Herschel Walker?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;630269]Herschel Walker?[/quote]

Yup, "The Trade"

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade]Herschel Walker trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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Jay Cutler? Kellen Winslow? Braylon Edwards? Jeremy Shockey? Marshall Faulk?

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[quote=Ruhskins;630268]Well that was a somewhat straight up trade. I mean are people looking to get the Herschel Walker trade all over again with Cooley?[/quote]

No I think the tehory is that no player should ever be untradeable. If someone did offer us a 1 and a 3 then we'd be dumdum not to take it. It's perhaps over-value but not Herschel Walker trade over-value.

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[quote=SmootSmack;630272]Jay Cutler? Kellen Winslow? Braylon Edwards? Jeremy Shockey? Marshall Faulk?[/quote]

Damn...LOL.

Well I think none of them wanted to be with the team that traded them and/or were becoming problems in the locker room.

I was wrong to assume that no Pro Bowler in his prime was ever traded...but the examples given were of players who demanded a trade and didn't want to play for that particular team anymore. I don't think Cooley is in that situation, and this team can probably rebuild without having to part with Cooley.

[quote=FRPLG;630280]No I think the tehory is that no player should ever be untradeable. If someone did offer us a 1 and a 3 then we'd be dumdum not to take it. It's perhaps over-value but not Herschel Walker trade over-value.[/quote]

Well you can call the Roy Williams trade the Herschel Walker Trade Part II.

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I thought the Ricky Williams trade for the entire set of Draft picks was brilliant, until we traded over half of those for Champ. We could have been set for 3-5 years with all of those picks.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;630102]Moss off limits to trade. He is the veteran we keep with the youngsters. You need a mix of experience and youngstrers.[/quote]

You're full of it Parrot Boy! Moss should be traded. Portis should've been traded last year. You sound like you work for the organization? "Yeah, we're going to win the next three games." "Moss is off limits." "Two out of three!" Are you on the payroll or what? If you're not, you're nuts!

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[quote=Daseal;630103]Was that you I heard on EITM this morning?

"Am I on the air? What? Uhhhh I wanted the audio about Cooley?"

Gave me a chuckle.[/quote]

I heard that too, that was Dan Steinberg from WaPo.