its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

hes been more focused than ever too dispel the "CANT BLOCK" label i agree he really let the offense down in the eagle game he knows it takes more than juss catching a ball- protection is juss as important i been givin him helllllllll truss me and hes been working on it and vows to show skinsnation what he can do as far as protection goes --ATL Falcon game would be a good start to show and prove--

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=freddavisbro86;618253]hes been more focused than ever too dispel the "CANT BLOCK" label i agree he really let the offense down in the eagle game he knows it takes more than juss catching a ball- protection is juss as important i been givin him helllllllll truss me and hes been working on it and vows to show skinsnation what he can do as far as protection goes --ATL Falcon game would be a good start to show and prove--[/quote]

I look forward to his improving as a blocker. He looked good catching the ball against Philly. Now if he can add some blocking, he'd be a real asset to the team.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

Is there an article that goes with this or did you just get off of the phone with him?

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

Tell your brother that while it'd be nice to see improve his blocking, our main concern (well my main concern) is that he can replicate what Cooley could do on the field. And Cooley wasn't on the field for his blocking.

FD and DT looked pretty solid on Monday night. I'm excited to see them (along with Kelly hopefully) become key parts of the offense in the 2nd half

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

Tell him to stop jumping into defenders. Put the shoulder down boss.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

Tell him not to listen to any of the fans...including me.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Angry;618263][B]Tell him not to listen to any of the fans[/B]...including me.[/quote]

seriously

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;618264]seriously[/quote]

Uhm no.

Edit: Just because I think that it warrants some explanation, I will tell you what I meant. First of all it was meant to be funny. Secondly, it's not like I was telling him not to listen to you in particular. Everybody on this board has a different opinion on what the team and individual players should be and do. While some of us might be trying to give him what we may consider "sound advice", it may not be the best advice for that player. The individual in question should do the things to improve at what he feels he needs to improve at. The Redskins didn't draft draft him to be a pass blocker. They drafted him to be a pass catcher. I also understand the concerns about him leaving his feet because of the injury and turnover probability, but didn't we just watch Bush jump for extra yards from the 5 yard line and score?

The point is he cannot possibly listen to us all. He has to do what he is good at and what he is comfortable at doing and get better at those things that make him elite.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

I want Gtripp's input, but I recall reading in his Offensive reviews early in the season that Davis was a good blocker (or perhaps he was just saying that he's heaps better than Yoder?).

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;618262]Tell him to stop jumping into defenders. Put the shoulder down boss.[/quote]
Don't you mean trying to jump over defenders.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;618262]Tell him to stop jumping into defenders. Put the shoulder down boss.[/quote]


Ditto.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

he is a pass catching TE, not a blocking one. he is built more like a Gates, Gonzalez. Yes he needs to improve his blocking, but he is what he is. We knew that when we drafted him, I know since our team isnt playing well and not winning we see all the flaws in everybody.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

When or if we improve our o-line we will be able to see both Cooley & Davis run routes on the field together. I think we could be a dangerous team with them on the field together without them blocking.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=firstdown;618269]Don't you mean trying to jump over defenders.[/quote]

No, he jumps [B]into defenders[/B]. He has yet to clear a defender and would be better off with his feet on the ground!

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

Block well enough and often enough that you can sell once and a while he's staying in, otherwise work the seam and score TDs, that's why we're all excited about Fred Davis. It's great to hear he wants to be an all around player and that he's working hard. I feel like he got a bit of a bad rap because of his alarm clock issue in his first training camp. Davis seems like a good player. How's his arm? We have room for a QB!

If you really are his brother, can you see about having him grow his hair out and dye it the same as Cooley's? I bet Cooley and Yoder would even help out!

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

daseal thats funny

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

id loveeeeeeeee to see cooley and davis tandem itll be so lethallll i think personally how could u stop that --- if we get the right pieces i think this offense can be lethal

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

I say we throw the ball Davis' way and let him end up with 54 catches for the year. Then package him and Portis for three picks in the first two rounds.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

Davis has done fine at blocking in the past, but the attention to detail to be successful at blocking when you are a package player is completely different from doing it when you are THE guy. I've seen his raw blocking skills on tape, but he has to prove he can do it simultaneously to being a starting TE.

It's why TE is probably the most difficult position to play outside of QB on the offense. Your block is every bit as critical as the guys who play the OL and do it every play, but despite how important blocking is, you don't get the big bucks to lay dudes out. Elite TEs are hard to find.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Angry;618266]Uhm no.

Edit: Just because I think that it warrants some explanation, I will tell you what I meant. First of all it was meant to be funny. Secondly, it's not like I was telling him not to listen to you in particular. Everybody on this board has a different opinion on what the team and individual players should be and do. While some of us might be trying to give him what we may consider "sound advice", it may not be the best advice for that player. The individual in question should do the things to improve at what he feels he needs to improve at. The Redskins didn't draft draft him to be a pass blocker. They drafted him to be a pass catcher. I also understand the concerns about him leaving his feet because of the injury and turnover probability, but didn't we just watch Bush jump for extra yards from the 5 yard line and score?

The point is he cannot possibly listen to us all. He has to do what he is good at and what he is comfortable at doing and get better at those things that make him elite.[/quote]

Yeah I gotcha, I was agreeing with you

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;618416]Yeah I gotcha, I was agreeing with you[/quote]

Oh, I got it! For once the plane has flown completely over my head. Congratulations, I officially have had a dee dee dee moment.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Angry;618423]Oh, I got it! For once the plane has flown completely over my head. Congratulations, I officially have had a dee dee dee moment.[/quote]

happens to us all my friend, I should have spice up my one word answer a bit more

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;618262]Tell him to stop jumping into defenders. Put the shoulder down boss.[/quote]

I agree, he seems to fumble more as he flips himself over the defender, and it really looks like he's going to hurt himself one day doing that.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

Our offense is as desperate for playmakers as it is for blocking. Fred Davis has insane talent as a catch and run TE. Cooley is one of my favorite players, but I'll say right now Davis' ability/athleticism exceed Cooley's. He needs to work on his skills...it's an absolute shame he didn't get time w/ Al Saunders (another retarded irony of Snyder's decision to fire one of the best TE offensive coordinators in football and immediately draft the best college TE). Anyway, I say let Davis do what he can do best and figure out how to scheme the damn offense so he's not forced to stay in and block too much. Jones should help...and Buges needs to whip this sorry bunch into shape yesterday!

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Angry;618256]Is there an article that goes with this or did you just get off of the phone with him?[/quote]
I read an article where Davis said he was going to be working with Wach (our TE coach) on his blocking and is glad he has the 2 weeks to get it down.. it'll be a big focus for him he said.. I'll try to find it if it hasn't been posted

update:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/davis-now-must-really-come-to.html]Redskins Insider - Davis now must 'really come to play'[/url]

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;618262]Tell him to stop jumping into defenders. Put the shoulder down boss.[/quote]
As a matter of fact tell him to stop trying to jump defenders too lol

I think that Davis is going to have a very solid career though

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

While the blocking is still his biggest problem, I took notice of the play where Davis bulled through two tacklers to gain 3-4 yards after contact for a first down. That is [I]exactly [/I]what we want to see, as opposed to jumping and getting tripped up short of first down yardage, which had been his signature move in his limited opportunities with the ball.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

And he is not embarrassed that he only 18 receptions in 2 years?

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=12thMan;618339]I say we throw the ball Davis' way and let him end up with 54 catches for the year. Then [B]package him[/B] and Portis for three picks in the first two rounds.[/quote]

I really don't understand the concept of dealing young players for picks. I mean wouldn't common sense tell you to deal a veteran and keep your young players?

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

lol yeah let's develop a young guy and promptly trade him away.

Portis isn't much for trade bait at this point anyway.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=firstdown;618592]And he is not embarrassed that he only 18 receptions in 2 years?[/quote]
that's kind of loaded

we just found out what happens hopefully when you put him into position to make plays

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

Fred Davis is never going to be a great blocker. There's no point in even scheming that. Send him into the flat as as a safety valve. At least he would have a chance to do some good. If you're going to have a TE pass protect, give Lorenzo Alexander a number in the 80s and call him a TE.

Amd Matty is right. The jumping in the air thing would be laughable at this point if it weren't so stupid.

I wonder how much these guys really work on pass blocking. Sellers is awful at it. Ditto Betts. Portis is the only respectable one and he's never in on 3rd down.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=firstdown;618592]And he is not embarrassed that he only 18 receptions in 2 years?[/quote]

Are you being serious?

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

I live in Southern California so I saw Fred Davis play alot at USC, and he was a pass catching TE at SC. It is no surprise that he is not that good at blocking thats what a good scout is supposed to see when they scout players is look at their weaknesses and strengths. He makes plays with the ball in his hands. Good game Fred keep catching balls for TD's. Im also glad that you want to work on getting better at blocking. Love the attitude right now showem how they do it at USC bro.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=70Chip;619064]Fred Davis is never going to be a great blocker. There's no point in even scheming that. Send him into the flat as as a safety valve. At least he would have a chance to do some good. If you're going to have a TE pass protect, give Lorenzo Alexander a number in the 80s and call him a TE.

Amd Matty is right. The jumping in the air thing would be laughable at this point if it weren't so stupid.

I wonder how much these guys really work on pass blocking. Sellers is awful at it. Ditto Betts. Portis is the only respectable one and he's never in on 3rd down.[/quote]
He hasn't had to before... you can teach somebody with a body how to block effectively through technique. It may not be a Hogs block but it can give the QB enough time to deliver the ball.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=tryfuhl;619076]He hasn't had to before... you can teach somebody with a body how to block effectively through technique. It may not be a Hogs block but it can give the QB enough time to deliver the ball.[/quote]

They've had years to teach Sellers and he's still awful. I'm dubious about the ability of this satff to "coach em up" because there has been such little improvement with the players they've had for multiple seasons. Nobody ever seems to get better at anything. This season, in fact, it's been nothing but regression across the board on offense.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=70Chip;619313][B]They've had years to teach Sellers and he's still awful. [/B] I'm dubious about the ability of this satff to "coach em up" because there has been such little improvement with the players they've had for multiple seasons. Nobody ever seems to get better at anything. This season, in fact, it's been nothing but regression across the board on offense.[/quote]

Sellers went to the pro bowl soley on his ability to block....not sure what you are talking about?

Not sure why all the hate on Fred Davis?
Fred Davis has not been productive because we play mostly a one TE formation and Cooley is in front of him in the depth charts. Add to it he plays on one of the worst offensive teams in NFL history. How exactly is that his fault?
Yes he was singled out for having a couple of bad blocking days. But we have had other players have bad days lately as well. Lets give the kid a chance to show what he has.
This is not like the WR's Thomas and Kelly situation who have been given starts over other more deserving players (Marko). Davis is finally getting his chance to start. Let see what he does.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

from the other day:

"The last bit of good news, though, is that [B]Davis -- as promised -- was in today, working with tight ends coach Scott Wachenheim while the rest of the players were away for the first day of their bye week[/B]. Between that and the word from head coach Jim Zorn that Chris Cooley may be back in four weeks, this was a surprisingly good day for news about the Redskins tight ends."

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2009/10/28/wednesday-october-28-someone-else-doesnt-know-why-fred-davis/#continued]Wednesday, October 28: Someone Else Doesn't Know Why Fred Davis Jumps[/url]

I don't know if Wachenheim will be a great pro coach or not, but having lived in the same city as Liberty for several years, he DEFINITELY played an instrumental part in bringing that school's football team to a very respectable level. I'd take 5 more of him over these guys that probably have no business being on a sideline.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

[quote=Defensewins;619495]Sellers went to the pro bowl soley on his ability to block....not sure what you are talking about?
[/quote]

I think that he meant pass blocking for Sellers.

Sellers definitely won't be making the Pro Bowl this year on run blocking though.

Re: its embarrassing to him --fred davis-- (blocking)
 

I think I saw they put Fred Davis to a WR position. He looks pretty good on that. He looks like a big WR than a Te.