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Something tells me the Bruce Allen era is starting real soon. Will Gruden be far behind? My source still says no go on Gruden. I’m believing that less and less. But anyway, that’s all hearsay and speculation.

What’s fact is that people need to get smacked. Let’s get right to it

[B]Antwaan Randle-El[/B] :eek: :mad: :Benched:

[B]Stephon Heyer[/B] :confused: :nono:

[B]Casey Rabach[/B] :frusty: :( :doh:

[B]Jason Campbell[/B] :pffff: :banghead: :Flush:

Well, I think that just about covers it for this week. Please note the Smackdown Shuttle will be on temporary hiatus over the next few weeks. In the meanwhile, keep an eye out for the Bring the Pain PainTrain to come rolling through your warpath neighborhood

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If a picture is worth 1000 words, an emoticon is worth 1001.

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Antwaan Randle-El: replaced with Marko Mitchell

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We've plenty of snacks and goodies on the Mutiny lifeboat. Face it folks, this old battlewagon is going down, down to iron bottom sound. Face it. See it. Accept it. Get over it. eff it!

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[quote=SmootSmack;616625]Something tells me the Bruce Allen era is starting real soon. Will Gruden be far behind? My source still says no go on Gruden. I’m believing that less and less. But anyway, that’s all hearsay and speculation.
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This front office's past is going make it hard to get the kind of coach we want (cough, Bill Cowher, cough). I think we the Skins are in Raider territory where we can only get a OC on the move up who everybody else overlooked or a HC who has failed in the past.

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[quote=SmootSmack;616625]Something tells me the Bruce Allen era is starting real soon. Will Gruden be far behind? My source still says no go on Gruden. I’m believing that less and less. But anyway, that’s all hearsay and speculation.

What’s fact is that people need to get smacked. Let’s get right to it

[B]Antwaan Randle-El[/B] :eek: :mad: :Benched:

[B]Stephon Heyer[/B] :confused: :nono:

[B]Casey Rabach[/B] :frusty: :( :doh:

[B]Jason Campbell[/B] :pffff: :banghead: :Flush:

Well, I think that just about covers it for this week. Please note the Smackdown Shuttle will be on temporary hiatus over the next few weeks. In the meanwhile, keep an eye out for the Bring the Pain PainTrain to come rolling through your warpath neighborhood[/quote]

I agree but who do we have on the roster better than JC? JC has no fight in him. He plays the QB like a kitty cat. We need a Lion at QB.

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[quote=skins89moss;616793]I agree but who do we have on the roster better than JC? JC has no fight in him. He plays the QB like a kitty cat. [B]We need a Lion at QB.[/B][/quote]

We didn't get Stafford remember.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;616656]We've plenty of snacks and goodies on the Mutiny lifeboat. Face it folks, this old battlewagon is going down, down to iron bottom sound. Face it. See it. Accept it. Get over it. eff it![/quote]

Not yet my friend. We come out of the bye with two straight wins. Sweep Dallas, and even the series with the Giants and the Eagles, and especially after Haynesworth whoops someone's a** on offense.

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From the Greg Williams link in Redskins News:

The defense is working because Williams's gibes, attacks and rants almost always seem to work. As a coach, he has mastered that perfect balance of devising brilliant schemes while touching the precise nerves that fuel a frenzy in football players.

"[B]Attitude -- that's 90 percent what he's brought[/B]," defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis said. "Attitude. Attitude. Attitude."

As the Redskins' struggles continue this season, it's probably worth noting that in January 2008, one coaching hopeful at Redskins Park [B]dearly wanted to replace Joe Gibbs as head coach[/B]. A man most of the Washington players endorsed. A man who desired the job so much that he waited for weeks, interviewing several times before finally being told the team wouldn't be hiring him.


Man...Attitude is something this team is in desperate need of...and we hired Zorn instead of him.

I'm not sayin GW would be my choice for a head coach, but what we got is definitely a downgrade!

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The FO would rather have no attitude towards them, someone that they can bend and mold, that's what they got.

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I've gotta add Carlos Rodgers to that list. What the hell was he doing on that touchdown pass? He's supposed the "cover" corner and the double move by DeSean absolutely killed him. My bigger problem? There was absolutely no effort on his part after getting torched. No turn and sprint, he just continued to waltz his way in the general direction of the WR who just torched him.

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I so f--ing hate this team! They ruin everything about football for me, everything!

Last night I played the Eagels defense I was winning until some how the awful Washington offense mustard up enough to score a 4th quarter TD and I lost this week by one point knocking me out of first. Thanks, thanks a whole bunch ass wipes!!!!

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At about 2:21 you can see the double move that effectively ends Los's attempt at coverage on the play.

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At about 2:21 you can see the double move that effectively ends Los's attempt at coverage on the play.[/quote]

right before that play one of the commentators said as they were going into the commercial break"when we come back philly will attempt to convert a 3rd and {I think he said 10}something they havent done ALL SEASON!!!.I knew right then we were fucked,I just didnt know how bad yet

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[quote=htownskinfan;616831]right before that play one of the commentators said as they were going into the commercial break"when we come back philly will attempt to convert a 3rd and {I think he said 10}something they havent done ALL SEASON!!!.I knew right then we were fucked,I just didnt know how bad yet[/quote]

That was actually a 3rd and 23 and they were something like 0 for 17 on the season at converting 3rd and 10+

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Is it just me notice anytime the Refs throw a flag they some how huddle up and pick the flag up.

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Looked like zone coverage on the TD and Rogers was expecting help over the top. I think Horton blew the coverage myself. Especially given his look after the play.

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[quote=jdlea;616821]I've gotta add Carlos Rodgers to that list. What the hell was he doing on that touchdown pass? He's supposed the "cover" corner and the double move by DeSean absolutely killed him. My bigger problem? There was absolutely no effort on his part after getting torched. No turn and sprint, he just continued to waltz his way in the general direction of the WR who just torched him.[/quote]

I agree, but I think that Rogers' failures are more indicative of what's wrong with the organization than him forgetting how to cover. Watching him play, it looks like he's already mailed it in for the season. I don't think he wants to be here next season, but half assing it on the field isn't going to make any other teams break the bank for him.

I'd also add Laron Landry to the list. He's been invisible in most games this season(including last night), and I can't think of anything he's done of note, outside of horribly missing open field tackles.

And while Heyer had a bad game, the entire offensive line deserves to be on the list. There is absolutely nothing that they excel at anymore. They cannot block for the pass or the run. I know a lot of people are down on Portis this season, but there were several plays last night where he immediately had two defenders in his face as soon as he was handed the ball. Purple Jesus wouldn't even be effective under those circumstances.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616867]Looked like zone coverage on the TD and Rogers was expecting help over the top. I think Horton blew the coverage myself. Especially given his look after the play.[/quote]

I suppose it could have been, I thought he got beat a little further down the field, but it was about 15 yards from the LOS. I still think it was man with safety help. I'm thinking Horton should have been there sooner, but there's no excuse for that kind of coverage. Also, if it were zone, there wouldn't have been much reason for Carlos to continue to follow once the ball went up and Desean was 10 yards behind him. Finally, the Skins only brought 4 on that play which (in most cases) means the D is playing 2 Man Under where it's man with safety help.

I'd have to assume that was the coverage, particularly on a 3rd and 23. The thinking should be, "McNabb can't run for it, why open up holes in a zone? Go man with safety help on each side and give up the underneath if they want it."

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JC had a bad game. His lineman were horrible too. What more needs to be said?

Our hurry up offense takes WAY too long. There's no sense of urgency. JC has been around too long to be that slow in our hurry up offense.

We have some talented defensive lineman. They are pretty fun to watch.

I'd put Rock Cartright in the offense some how some way. Seems to hit the non-holes hard and runs fast. Why not? Not sure about his blocking though...

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[quote=SmootSmack;616625]Something tells me the Bruce Allen era is starting real soon. Will Gruden be far behind? My source still says no go on Gruden. I’m believing that less and less. But anyway, that’s all hearsay and speculation.

What’s fact is that people need to get smacked. Let’s get right to it

[B]Antwaan Randle-El[/B] :eek: :mad: :Benched:

[B]Stephon Heyer[/B] :confused: :nono:

[B]Casey Rabach[/B] :frusty: :( :doh:

[B]Jason Campbell[/B] :pffff: :banghead: :Flush:

Well, I think that just about covers it for this week. Please note the Smackdown Shuttle will be on temporary hiatus over the next few weeks. In the meanwhile, keep an eye out for the Bring the Pain PainTrain to come rolling through your warpath neighborhood[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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[quote=Southpaw;616871][B]I agree, but I think that Rogers' failures are more indicative of what's wrong with the organization than him forgetting how to cover. Watching him play, it looks like he's already mailed it in for the season. I don't think he wants to be here next season, but half assing it on the field isn't going to make any other teams break the bank for him.

I'd also add Laron Landry to the list. He's been invisible in most games this season(including last night), and I can't think of anything he's done of note, outside of horribly missing open field tackles.[/B]

And while Heyer had a bad game, the entire offensive line deserves to be on the list. There is absolutely nothing that they excel at anymore. They cannot block for the pass or the run. I know a lot of people are down on Portis this season, but there were several plays last night where he immediately had two defenders in his face as soon as he was handed the ball. Purple Jesus wouldn't even be effective under those circumstances.[/quote]

This. However, I would say that Landry's shortcomings are mutually his and the schemes. It's difficult to be a playmaker from the "angel" position. We all know Sean did it, but Sean was a once-in-a-generation talent and it's difficult to expect that from Landry. Landry is, IMO, at fault because he's an immature player always looking for the kill shot (much the way Sean did before the light went on and he became dominant). I think the Skins should think about moving LL back to strong safety and seeing if Kareem can hack it as the FS (Angel).

As for Rodgers, you can't call out ownership and then show up and play like THAT. I don't like him essentially being wasted by starting him 10-15 yards away from the WRs all the time, but that should have aided in his ability to stay with Desean on that play.

Outside of that play and the end around, I think the D played pretty well, not that it matters.

One final thought: you're 100% correct about the O Line. Heyer is bad at LT and serviceable at RT (I think he'd be a great backup), but the rest of the O Line was absolutely horrendous the entire game as well. There's no way any QB can survive this. It's looking like 2003 when it was open season on Ramsey at this point.

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On the long TD pass, McNabb throws a pump fake to the right...from which, and we won't know unless we get an overview angle, it's possible that Horton bit on the fake, hence why he wasn't back in deep coverage. CBs don't usually drop receivers like Rogers did unless they are expecting help over top...hopefully GTripp will have more on that play during his analysis of the game.

This OL is atrocious. They are going to get Campbell killed. Then again, they planned protection schemes with Cooley in the game, and while he's not a great blocking TE, Davis is worse. Rabach had several mishaps, including a rally killer inside the 5 on that 4th down.

The analysts mentioned Campbell not setting his feet to throw, and even broke out footage of Gruden's camp kids doing a set drill. I think Campbell's right ankle/foot is worse that they are letting on. Since it's his plant foot, it looks like he's not able to put much pressure on it, and to throw, he's shuffling his feet. He's also playing scared. He's afraid to stand up in the pocket, but who can blame him. The OL is giving him virtually no time to get through his progressions. I'm hoping that the bye week allows him to rest and get back on track, or at least get Collins and Woodson reps with the first team.

Randle El took his eyes off the ball on that punt. Plain and simple. And quite frankly, with Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Mitchell, he should be on his way out.

ESPN for showing Fletcher puking during their pregame shots. No one needs to see that...

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Smootsmack:

Might I dare to follow your lead and add to your listing here?


Montgomery: :benched:

Rabach: :spank:

Rogers: :censored:

Horton: :confused: :sleep:


Sherm Lewis: :yeahright:

Vinny: :hitfan:

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What was your issue with Lewis?

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My issue with Lewis is very simple. He should have had a huge advantage in that game because there was no "book" on him calling plays. The Eagles' defensive folks had no tendencies on him; they didn't know if he would pass or throw or quick-kick on any given down. Teams look for the element of surprise in playcalling; Lewis had it in his hip pocket; he did next to nothing with it. He should have had the Eagles' defense in a spot where they needed to cover every angle because they didn't know what he would do next.


Now maybe I was dozing through that part of the game where the Redskins' offense had left the Eagles' defensive players and defensive playcallers bedazzled. If so, tell me when that was so I can go back to my DVR and check the replays...


If the "playcaller" needs to have an intermediate person in the loop to call the pass protection schemes for the plays that the "playcaller" has called, then the only proper word for the "playcaller" is UNPREPARED. Maybe the Skins should hire another consultant to give Sherm Lewis another set of eyes so that the new guy can get to call plays in some future game this year. After all, it worked out so well here.


Have I explained what my issue with Lewis was?

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Fair points SC. But I think (hope?) we'll see more of Lewis' impact in a couple of weeks. Monday night I think he was just getting a basic sense of what his offense could do.

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smootsmack what is the rumors off a change in our front office? will there be a exstensive search or is bruce allen the front runner?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;617714]smootsmack what is the rumors off a change in our front office? will there be a exstensive search or is bruce allen the front runner?[/quote]

Haven't really asked in the last week or so for any update. But I would say Shanahan is still the front runner, Allen #2

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[quote=SmootSmack;617683]Fair points SC. But I think (hope?) we'll see more of Lewis' impact in a couple of weeks. Monday night I think he was just getting a basic sense of what his offense could do.[/quote]

Also, he was only with the team for three weeks. I suppose it is an excuse, but I think it's valid.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617715]Haven't really asked in the last week or so for any update. But I would say Shanahan is still the front runner, Allen #2[/quote]

Reviewing Tamba Bay's history, Allen did a good job of keeping his picks, but it really doesn't look like he did that good of a job in selecting players. Is there some reason to think he'd to a better job here?

On the flip side, I don't like the idea of giving Shanahan total control, either.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;617680]My issue with Lewis is very simple. He should have had a huge advantage in that game because there was no "book" on him calling plays. The Eagles' defensive folks had no tendencies on him; they didn't know if he would pass or throw or quick-kick on any given down. Teams look for the element of surprise in playcalling; Lewis had it in his hip pocket; he did next to nothing with it. He should have had the Eagles' defense in a spot where they needed to cover every angle because they didn't know what he would do next.


Now maybe I was dozing through that part of the game where the Redskins' offense had left the Eagles' defensive players and defensive playcallers bedazzled. If so, tell me when that was so I can go back to my DVR and check the replays...


If the "playcaller" needs to have an intermediate person in the loop to call the pass protection schemes for the plays that the "playcaller" has called, then the only proper word for the "playcaller" is UNPREPARED. Maybe the Skins should hire another consultant to give Sherm Lewis another set of eyes so that the new guy can get to call plays in some future game this year. After all, it worked out so well here.


Have I explained what my issue with Lewis was?[/quote]

So you expect 35 points or so out of his first game.. even though it's the same playbook for the most part? That's interesting.. Hell we would've had several more than we did if we didn't whiff so many opportunities. He's just come back into this role and he kept the Eagles on their toes enough. Bedazzled doesn't happen everytime even with the best playcaller vs the worst defense, I think that your expectations are too high.

I understand not liking that Zorn got undermined, but I don't think that the disapproval needs to be directed at Lewis.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;617680]My issue with Lewis is very simple. He should have had a huge advantage in that game because there was no "book" on him calling plays. The Eagles' defensive folks had no tendencies on him; they didn't know if he would pass or throw or quick-kick on any given down. Teams look for the element of surprise in playcalling; Lewis had it in his hip pocket; he did next to nothing with it. He should have had the Eagles' defense in a spot where they needed to cover every angle because they didn't know what he would do next.


Now maybe I was dozing through that part of the game where the Redskins' offense had left the Eagles' defensive players and defensive playcallers bedazzled. If so, tell me when that was so I can go back to my DVR and check the replays...


If the "playcaller" needs to have an intermediate person in the loop to call the pass protection schemes for the plays that the "playcaller" has called, then the only proper word for the "playcaller" is UNPREPARED. Maybe the Skins should hire another consultant to give Sherm Lewis another set of eyes so that the new guy can get to call plays in some future game this year. After all, it worked out so well here.


Have I explained what my issue with Lewis was?[/quote]

Maybe you are right, although I think (more of being hopeful, I guess) Lewis has shown us that scoring in redzone won't be much of problem for us anymore.. Thomas was beautifully open for his 1st touchdown.. At last drive where Rabach botched the snap, Thomas was open as well (granted it was same play but it proved to be right call)..

Zorn, or Smith and Lewis, or ANY offense coordinator can't really call their gameplan if the offense linemen are playing terrible.. We can't run and we can't pass.. How in the world would any offense coordinator be able to success if both aren't working?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;617735]Reviewing Tamba Bay's history, Allen did a good job of keeping his picks, but it really doesn't look like he did that good of a job in selecting players. Is there some reason to think he'd to a better job here?

On the flip side, I don't like the idea of giving Shanahan total control, either.[/quote]

I don't know that Allen would do a great job here. Just saying I think he's probably a strong candidate to come here. He and Snyder are pretty tight...which is probably the last thing we need. I could even see potentially see Allen being named President and someone else being a GM under him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617800]I don't know that Allen would do a great job here. Just saying I think he's probably a strong candidate to come here. He and Snyder are pretty tight...which is probably the last thing we need. I could even see potentially see Allen being named President and someone else being a GM under him.[/quote]

wow! this offseason is going to be more interesting than the season!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;617813]wow! this offseason is going to be more interesting than the season![/quote]


Generally that is the case with Redskins football under Synder.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617800]I don't know that Allen would do a great job here. Just saying I think he's probably a strong candidate to come here. He and Snyder are pretty tight...which is probably the last thing we need. I could even see potentially see Allen being named President and someone else being a GM under him.[/quote]

Now that would be interesting... but would Allen even want that kind of job or would he want to be more involved in player selection? The one thing I don't want is a Coach/GM. Now, I don't have your sources, but one would think that all the big name coaches out there (Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren) recognize the value of having a GM. I think what they would want is to be hired as HC and then selecting the guy they wanted to be GM (Cowher might want to bring in marty, Gruden might want to bring in Allen, etc.) To a large degree, i see 2010 as being a "coaches market." There are A LOT of teams who may be competing for one of "The Big 4" and the Big 4 coachs have such strong resumes that should have no problem finding a team/owner that will allow them to dictate the front front-office structure, not the other way around.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;617824]Now that would be interesting... but would Allen even want that kind of job or would he want to be more involved in player selection? The one thing I don't want is a Coach/GM. Now, I don't have your sources, but one would think that all the big name coaches out there (Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren) recognize the value of having a GM. I think what they would want is to be hired as HC and then selecting the guy they wanted to be GM (Cowher might want to bring in marty, Gruden might want to bring in Allen, etc.) To a large degree, i see 2010 as being a "coaches market." There are A LOT of teams who may be competing for one of "The Big 4" and the Big 4 coachs have such strong resumes that should have no problem finding a team/owner that will allow them to dictate the front front-office structure, not the other way around.[/quote]

Well Shanahan and probably Holmgren would want to be their own GMs. Cowher I think is less than 50% likely to even return to the NFL next season, that's just my gut feeling though.

I had heard that Gruden and Allen had issues with each other during their time in Tampa and would go their separate ways if/when they returned to the NFL. But seeing how up close how they interact they really seem like the perfect team. Not meaning the perfect team for the Redskins necessarily.

Anyhow, as for Allen I think even in a President role he would still have some input over the player selection. But we could also see Allen as General Manager and Gruden as head coach but it would be like Philly where Reid is the HC, and Tom Heckert is the GM but in reality Reid is the one selecting the players. Heckert just manages the process

Allen makes sense for the fans because

1. He has front office experience
2. He has a link, albeit tangentially, to the Redskins through his dad
3. He's not Vinny

Allen makes sense for Snyder because

1. He has front office experience
2. He has a link, albeit tangentially, to the Redskins through his dad
3. He and Snyder are pretty tight and Snyder could still be involved in the whole process

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[quote=Green1;616652]Antwaan Randle-El: replaced with Marko Mitchell[/quote]

Why not just put Moss back there for every punt return? He's the only one who has had any real success anyways.

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If Snyder is involved in the process in any capacity other than signing checks, then it defeats the whole purpose of getting a GM and we might as well stick with vinny.