Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

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that'll get danny's attention. usually it's just media types that say that much

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I really don't think it was Snyder's decision to take away the play calling from Zorn.

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I don't think it was either. And Zorn's best friend coming to his defense I don't think is going to have much of an impact on Snyder. I mean what else should Largent say?

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Snyder and his butt boy are really getting ripped pretty bad this week. Steve Largent, Merril Hodge, John Cooke, Largent, Rich Gannon....I'm sure there are some more. We've seriously got a younger version of Al Davis running the team. You'd figure Snyder would get it after working w/ Gibbs for 4 years.

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Plus the second guessing is crappy. SL had the chance to say this situation was a disaster 2 years ago but he was happy enough to just sit down for interviews and talk about how great this all was going to be.

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[quote=skinsfan69;613551]Snyder and his butt boy are really getting ripped pretty bad this week. Steve Largent, Merril Hodge, John Cooke, Largent, Rich Gannon....I'm sure there are some more. We've seriously got a younger version of Al Davis running the team. You'd figure Snyder would get it after working w/ Gibbs for 4 years.[/quote]

Hint: Gibbs was Danny's butt boy too. He didn't run things much more than Zorn does. Far too deferential.

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I think this is all beautiful of what is being said about Synder and Vinny - as many have pointed out that until the change is made at the GM level with Synder out of the football decision making process things are only going to get worse. It does not matter what coach you put in there the mentality of going the free agent route and not building through the draft is blowing up in Synders face and it serves him right for being a pompus ass and not accepting this reality.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613543]I really don't think it was Snyder's decision to take away the play calling from Zorn.[/quote]

Perhaps he didn't dream up the idea, but he surely endorsed it.

"but they went to the point of pulling out his contract and saying, 'You have got to do whatever the owner tells you to do.' ...

This organization is out of control. It is amazing that as good a business man Snyder is, he can't see that this thing is spiraling beyond repair. Six head coaches and as many offensive schemes in ten years. All the big names, but never a solid plan for the future...now we have got to the point where the Bingo guy is calling the plays after being on board for two weeks...what a joke this franchise has become. I wouldn't be surprised if the players just quit on Monday night, and the stadium is empty by half time.

I'm almost embarrased to admit I'm a fan these days, and I honestly thought I would never say that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;613551]Snyder and his butt boy are really getting ripped pretty bad this week. Steve Largent, Merril Hodge, John Cooke, Largent, Rich Gannon....I'm sure there are some more. We've seriously got a younger version of Al Davis running the team. You'd figure Snyder would get it after working w/ Gibbs for 4 years.[/quote]

Name one thing that Dan Snyder should have learned from Gibbs 2.0?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;613563]Perhaps he didn't dream up the idea, but he surely endorsed it.

"but they went to the point of pulling out his contract and saying, 'You have got to do whatever the owner tells you to do.' ...

This organization is out of control. It is amazing that as good a business man Snyder is, he can't see that this thing is spiraling beyond repair. Six head coaches and as many offensive schemes in ten years. All the big names, but never a solid plan for the future...now we have got to the point where the Bingo guy is calling the plays after being on board for two weeks...what a joke this franchise has become. I wouldn't be surprised if the players just quit on Monday night, and the stadium is empty by half time.

[B]I'm almost embarrased to admit I'm a fan these days, and I honestly thought I would never say that[/B].[/quote]

I almost feel the same way. This morning I went to put on a Redskins pullover because it is getting chilly outside and I hesitated. If I had something else that was clean, long sleeve, and not Redskins related, I would be wearing it right now. Technically I should be wearing a shirt and tie, but I haven't felt like dressing up lately.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;613563]Perhaps he didn't dream up the idea, but he surely endorsed it.

[B]"but they went to the point of pulling out his contract and saying, 'You have got to do whatever the owner tells you to do.' ...[/B]

This organization is out of control. It is amazing that as good a business man Snyder is, he can't see that this thing is spiraling beyond repair. Six head coaches and as many offensive schemes in ten years. All the big names, but never a solid plan for the future...now we have got to the point where the Bingo guy is calling the plays after being on board for two weeks...what a joke this franchise has become. I wouldn't be surprised if the players just quit on Monday night, and the stadium is empty by half time.

I'm almost embarrased to admit I'm a fan these days, and I honestly thought I would never say that.[/quote]

I was thinking of that too, wondering who "they" were in that situation? Either way it sounds bad. Reminded me of what Larry Michael's said about Vinny, he has "zero" ability to build relationships w/people.

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[quote=WaldSkins;613568]Name one thing that Dan Snyder should have learned from Gibbs 2.0?[/quote]

Always fight your guts out!

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[quote=WaldSkins;613568]Name one thing that Dan Snyder should have learned from Gibbs 2.0?[/quote]
How to motivate men. How to lead men. How to empower assistants/subordinates and put them in a position to succeed.

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[quote=FRPLG;613553]Hint: Gibbs was Danny's butt boy too. He didn't run things much more than Zorn does. Far too deferential.[/quote]Gibbs was deferential to Williams and Saunders. He entrusted the D to Williams and the O to Saunders. Both turned out to be poor talent evaluators and it cost the franchise dearly(Lloyd, ARE, Arch).

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It's only natural for Largent to come to the aid of his long time friend and teammate. I wouldn't expect him to say anything different.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613572]Always fight your guts out![/quote]

That's almost as famous as Jim Zorn saying the offense is "close"

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Largent and Zorn have been good friends for 30 years, what else was he going to say. No problem with Largent defending Zorn, but he may want to look at some game tape before absolving Zorn of all blame for this mess.

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We should read the part that is bolded out:

Among Largent's comments earlier in the day to KJR radio in Seattle:

-- "I don't know what a 'Dan Snyder coach' looks like, and I don't think Dan Snyder knows what a 'Dan Snyder coach' looks like. And that's fairly obvious now ahat he's been through about six head coaches in 10 years."

[B]-- "The problem is Jim was hired as an offensive coordinator, by the way, not as a head coach, and then promoted to head coach the same offseason. And yet the coaching position that Jim was given, he was told who his coaches were going to be, he was told who his players were going to be. He didn't have any opportunities to go and seek and find players or coaches that he wanted to fill out on the team - with a couple of exceptions. He hired Sherman Smith and Stump Mitchell, those are the only two guys he hired when he came in his first year. He inherited everything he has to work with today, yet all the blame is being laid at his feet because he can't make them a Super Bowl champion. I could've told you two years ago, they don't have a Super Bowl-quality team. It doesn't matter how good a coach you are; you're not going to get there with the players the owners gives you."[/B]

-- "The formula that the Redskin owner and the Redskin general manager have for producing a winner on the field is not a winning formula, meaning they can't make all the decisions on the coaches and on the personnel and then just hire some guy from off the street to be head coach and win with what they put on the field. It doesn't work and that's been proven for 10 years in a row. And they had Joe Gibbs in here, a guy who went to many Super Bowls and he couldn't do it with the formula they gave him."

-- "The failure of the Redskins is not about Jim Zorn; the faiure of the Redskins starts above him, above his level. I tell you,

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;613582]We should read the part that is bolded out:

Among Largent's comments earlier in the day to KJR radio in Seattle:

-- "I don't know what a 'Dan Snyder coach' looks like, and I don't think Dan Snyder knows what a 'Dan Snyder coach' looks like. And that's fairly obvious now ahat he's been through about six head coaches in 10 years."

[B]-- "The problem is Jim was hired as an offensive coordinator, by the way, not as a head coach, and then promoted to head coach the same offseason. And yet the coaching position that Jim was given, he was told who his coaches were going to be, he was told who his players were going to be. He didn't have any opportunities to go and seek and find players or coaches that he wanted to fill out on the team - with a couple of exceptions. He hired Sherman Smith and Stump Mitchell, those are the only two guys he hired when he came in his first year. He inherited everything he has to work with today, yet all the blame is being laid at his feet because he can't make them a Super Bowl champion. I could've told you two years ago, they don't have a Super Bowl-quality team. It doesn't matter how good a coach you are; you're not going to get there with the players the owners gives you."[/B]

-- "The formula that the Redskin owner and the Redskin general manager have for producing a winner on the field is not a winning formula, meaning they can't make all the decisions on the coaches and on the personnel and then just hire some guy from off the street to be head coach and win with what they put on the field. It doesn't work and that's been proven for 10 years in a row. And they had Joe Gibbs in here, a guy who went to many Super Bowls and he couldn't do it with the formula they gave him."

-- "The failure of the Redskins is not about Jim Zorn; the faiure of the Redskins starts above him, above his level. I tell you,[/quote]

Well he also brought in Chris Meidt and Scott Wachenheim. And he was around for the last two off-seasons. And if not for his insistence, it's not likely Campbell would have been our starter this year. Other coaches have won with talent they didn't bring in so Zorn shouldn't be absolved of any blame here.

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Boy, talk about kicked you while you're down, the vamps are having a good time with continuing the onslaught. Tracee Hamilton and Sally Jenkins writing for the Wash.Post, Don Banks of Sports Illus. Mike Sando of ESPN, all having a field day the last few days saying the same thing we've al been saying and knowing for years.

Somewhere Jim Fassel is saying to himself, man that could have been me.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;613575]Gibbs was deferential to Williams and Saunders. He entrusted the D to Williams and the O to Saunders. Both turned out to be poor talent evaluators and it cost the franchise dearly(Lloyd, ARE, Arch).[/quote]

Gregg may be poor evaluator, but he still managed to create good defense afterwards.. Of course, there were some times when we got shredded, mostly due to good players; Wesbrooks, Barber, TO and such.. But we always were in top 10..

Edit: You can see how good Saints are now, due to Gregg.. Imagine if we had good offense during his era at here, I wonder what would happen..

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[quote=WaldSkins;613568]Name one thing that Dan Snyder should have learned from Gibbs 2.0?[/quote]

How not look an asshole and not run your team into the ground.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;613563]Perhaps he didn't dream up the idea, but he surely endorsed it.

"but they went to the point of pulling out his contract and saying, 'You have got to do whatever the owner tells you to do.' ...

This organization is out of control. It is amazing that as good a business man Snyder is, he can't see that this thing is spiraling beyond repair.[/quote]

You'd think, but who knows, he had great timing with his successful ventures before the Skins, not to say he didn't take advantage of the situations well.

The big guys call the big shots though, he has to realize that he's and owner only though... owners don't do hiring.

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[quote=WaldSkins;613568]Name one thing that Dan Snyder should have learned from Gibbs 2.0?[/quote]

In Dan Snyder's own words he learned "Patience" but that's not true.

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[quote=GridIron26;613598]Gregg may be poor evaluator, but he still managed to create good defense afterwards.. Of course, there were some times when we got shredded, mostly due to good players; Wesbrooks, Barber, TO and such.. But we always were in top 10..

Edit: You can see how good Saints are now, due to Gregg.. Imagine if we had good offense during his era at here, I wonder what would happen..[/quote]Williams has had his ups and downs, his stint in Jax wasn't so good.

My point was that Gibbs made this call to sign Arch because of GW, then told Snyderatto what to do, they simply executed what Gibbs said. Gibbs was certainly no "butt boy" to Snyder. If anything, Snyder worshiped the ground Gibbs walked on.

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[quote=WaldSkins;613577]That's almost as famous as Jim Zorn saying the offense is "close"[/quote]

He didn't say close to what though, I asume he meant disaster.

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Well lets just say MNF will be very interesting this week lol, You know damn well that Zorn wants to quit but he wants that money so deep down inside he wants this team to get DESTROYED monday. Of course our offense can't get any worse but if we do get shut out Zorn would be cracking up on Snyder.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613572]Always fight your guts out![/quote]

and that mark brunell was super smart.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;613617]He didn't say close to what though, I asume he meant [B]disaster.[[/B]/QUOTE]

Haha, and here i am thinking positive

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;613610]Williams has had his ups and downs, his stint in Jax wasn't so good.

My point was that Gibbs made this call to sign Arch because of GW, then told Snyderatto what to do, they simply executed what Gibbs said. Gibbs was certainly no "butt boy" to Snyder. If anything, Snyder worshiped the ground Gibbs walked on.[/quote]

True, Gregg didn't do good in Jax.. But other than the stint at Jax and the Redskins 2006, he did pretty good with his defense.. I just discovered something through wikipedia.com, Sean Payton voluntary took 250,000 dollars pay cut, in order to get Gregg to come to Saints.. That says something..

As for Gibbs and Snyderatto, I have no comment.. I have no idea what's going on in that organization, just like most of us.. I have been huge fan of Redskins since 2004.. I wasn't crazy about football until that year when I started playing football for high school, and my family always have rooted for Skins.. So I started to root for Skins, but then next thing I knew, I fell in love with Redskins, you could say that I'm becoming obsessed with Redskins stuff.. I never have really felt that low about this; I wasn't really aware of Redskins' seasons before 2004.. Obviously, we know who's responsible for stuff and such but I just don't see any point of complaining and pointing fingers at people..

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Yup, the team is U N R A V E L I N G !!! We need to make it so uncomfortable for Danny he leaves town!

Josh B

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[quote=Josh Baker;613675]Yup, the team is U N R A V E L I N G !!! We need to make it so uncomfortable for Danny he leaves town!

Josh B[/quote]

Welcome to the board Josh Baker.

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For a 2-4 team, people outside of Redskins fans sure talk about the Redskins a lot these days. Win or lose, we're always in the national news.

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[quote=WaldSkins;613568]Name one thing that Dan Snyder should have learned from Gibbs 2.0?[/quote]

Hi LaVar.

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So now we got Tre Johnson, Tony Kornheiser, John Kent Cooke, John Riggins, and now Steve Largent taking shots at Snyder. Oh please let all this criticism result in Vinny getting fired.

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[quote=WaldSkins;613568]Name one thing that Dan Snyder should have learned from Gibbs 2.0?[/quote]

He should've learned not to call or let his VP of personel call a guy that's been out of football 4 years that's been calling bingo to come in in the middle of the season and take over the offense.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;613702]So now we got Tre Johnson, Tony Kornheiser, John Kent Cooke, John Riggins, and now Steve Largent taking shots at Snyder. Oh please let all this criticism result in Vinny getting fired.[/quote]

There's certainly tons of scrunity pointed toward the Skins front office. I think that is a great thing but I hope it doesn't go in vain.

At the end of the season, Snyder could end up hiring a some no name GM who can be easily be influenced by advancement and money and he'd get to wipe the slate clean and have his influence back again.

I hope the stress for Skins fans this offseason is to have Snyder get a known commidity as GM in front office.

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It's one thing to be patient, it's another to just let a mess continue. Keeping Zorn (and Vinny) around much longer is just letting a mess continue.

Additionally, I think if Snyder had less patience either Williams or Fassel would be our head coach but instead he put it in VC's hands to go through a process and be the one to select our head coach. This process it turns out included vindictiveness and has turned rather disastrous for us.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;613610]Williams has had his ups and downs, his stint in Jax wasn't so good.

Gibbs was certainly no "butt boy" to Snyder. If anything, Snyder worshiped the ground Gibbs walked on.[/quote]

Correct. He made Gibbs the team President - Gibbs could sign anyone he wanted.