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[QUOTE]Former Redskins beat reporter and current reporter for the NFL Network Jason LaCanfora reveals that The Li'l General,[B] Dan Snyder[/B], refused to board the team plane home last night because he was so upset over the loss to the Carolina Panthers. [/QUOTE]

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I had a source tell me on Friday it's pretty much Jerry Gray's job...unless by some "miracle" Shanahan walks in that door.

This same source also told me we were going to draft Rey Mauluga the morning of the draft...so just know he's not 100%

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Changing the coach really can't make that much a difference. It's not like it will give Campbell more time to throw or our WR more open.

Firing Zorn would just be a heat of passion move more than anything.

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[quote=SmootSmack;606855]I had a source tell me on Friday it's pretty much Jerry Gray's job...unless by some "miracle" Shanahan walks in that door.

This same source also told me we were going to draft Rey Mauluga the morning of the draft...so just know he's not 100%[/quote]

But they had to draft Orakpo over Rey

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[quote=SmootSmack;606855]I had a source tell me on Friday it's pretty much Jerry Gray's job...unless by some "miracle" Shanahan walks in that door.

This same source also told me we were going to draft Rey Mauluga the morning of the draft...so just know he's not 100%[/quote]Is there an expected timetable for the move? The bye week seems like a favorable time to make a move, but I'd personally pull the trigger right now.

There's a legitimate point that we could ride Zorn to the end of the season and beyond, but that relies on the conclusion that the coaching isn't an issue (or at least not a big one). If the conclusion is that, yes, the head coach is clearly in over his head, why wait?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;606858]But they had to draft Orakpo over Rey[/quote]


should have drafted Michael Oher. but we probably would have moved him to fullback. lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;606855]I had a source tell me on Friday it's pretty much Jerry Gray's job...unless by some "miracle" Shanahan walks in that door.

This same source also told me we were going to draft Rey Mauluga the morning of the draft...so just know he's not 100%[/quote]

Well noone saw RAK falling to us so thats not a big miss.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;606868]Well noone saw RAK falling to us so thats not a big miss.[/quote]

yeah he did fall to us, but we didnt need help on defense and too make matters worse we made him into a linebacker. We should have kept him a DE and brought washington back.

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If the Redskins had any depth on their roster, we wouldn't even be talking about changing the HC.

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[quote=redskins5044;606871]yeah he did fall to us, but we didnt need help on defense and too make matters worse we made him into a linebacker. We should have kept him a DE and brought washington back.[/quote]

At that point you have to look at the talent level. RAK who is said to be the best pass rusher in the draft or the 4th best OT. It killed us not having a 2nd but i feel RAK will be special and was worth the pick.. and yes he should stay at DE.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;606868]Well noone saw RAK falling to us so thats not a big miss.[/quote]

Speak for yourself

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/545781-post1.html[/url]

(ignore all my other picks in the top 13 as they were a bit...off :) )

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would leaving zorn as hc and have someone else call the plays make a difference? who knows, keeping zorn, firing zorn, new play caller, qb change............ugh! nothing will change the outcome im afraid. this year sucks more than any year in the last 17.

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Gray seems like a reasonable choice. As for if a new HC can block and tackle, well no of course not but any logical HC would have activated Rinehart yesterday over Griffin who was injured and they knew he wouldn't play. There's no way to assume Samuels would get hurt but Williams was hurt most of the pre-season so what would have been Plan D if HE got injured in the game?

Another logical miss was when Samuels went down, rather than play someone at LT who has never played it at the NFL level, why not slide Heyer to LT, Williams to RT and Will Montgomery to RG? Did Montgomery go from competing for a starting job when Thomas went down to 4th on the depth chart in 2 weeks?

The roster is very flawed but making the best of what you have is clearly not one of Zorn's strengths and another HC might make better decision in that regard this season.

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Pretty shitty move by Snyder if that's what happened. You learn a lot about people when :hitfan:

The smart thing to do is nothing right now. Snyder needs to show patience, even if it's killing him. That's the best thing for the long term success of the franchise. It won't fix anything this year. Barring true divine intervention, we have no chance at anything this year now anyway.

Snyder needs to be interviewing GM candidates now. Not Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren (I'm over the Holmgren as HC/GM, keep Zorn as Asst HC/OC thing, more in the Game Review). Don't do a damn thing until a real GM is hired.

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[quote=Paintrain;606898]Gray seems like a reasonable choice. As for if a new HC can block and tackle, well no of course not but any logical HC would have activated Rinehart yesterday over Griffin who was injured and they knew he wouldn't play. There's no way to assume Samuels would get hurt but Williams was hurt most of the pre-season so what would have been Plan D if HE got injured in the game?

Another logical miss was when Samuels went down, rather than play someone at LT who has never played it at the NFL level, [B]why not slide Heyer to LT, Williams to RT and Will Montgomery to RG? Did Montgomery go from competing for a starting job when Thomas went down to 4th on the depth chart in 2 weeks?
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The roster is very flawed but making the best of what you have is clearly not one of Zorn's strengths and another HC might make better decision in that regard this season.[/quote]

Yeah makes sense to me too. I wonder if that was Bugel's call or Zorn's. Either way, this team seems to find new ways each week to go against logic.

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I dont blame Snyder, look at the $$ he pays these guys and they cant beat a winless team for the 2nd time this yr. Id be pi$$ed as well

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;606904]I dont blame Snyder, look at the $$ he pays these guys and they cant beat a winless team for the 2nd time this yr. Id be pi$$ed as well[/quote]

Snyder needs to look in the mirror first. Tossing $$ at the situation obviously does not work. How many more years does he need before realizes this??

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[quote=Paintrain;606898]Gray seems like a reasonable choice. As for if a new HC can block and tackle, well no of course not but any logical HC would have activated Rinehart yesterday over Griffin who was injured and they knew he wouldn't play. There's no way to assume Samuels would get hurt but Williams was hurt most of the pre-season so what would have been Plan D if HE got injured in the game?

[B]Another logical miss was when Samuels went down, rather than play someone at LT who has never played it at the NFL level, why not slide Heyer to LT, Williams to RT and Will Montgomery to RG? Did Montgomery go from competing for a starting job when Thomas went down to 4th on the depth chart in 2 weeks?
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The roster is very flawed but making the best of what you have is clearly not one of Zorn's strengths and another HC might make better decision in that regard this season.[/quote]

Thought the same thing in the smackdown thread

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606900][B]Pretty shitty move by Snyder if that's what happened.[/B] You learn a lot about people when :hitfan:

The smart thing to do is nothing right now. Snyder needs to show patience, even if it's killing him. That's the best thing for the long term success of the franchise. It won't fix anything this year. Barring true divine intervention, we have no chance at anything this year now anyway.

Snyder needs to be interviewing GM candidates now. Not Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren (I'm over the Holmgren as HC/GM, keep Zorn as Asst HC/OC thing, more in the Game Review). Don't do a damn thing until a real GM is hired.[/quote]

If what happened? Did I miss something?

As for interviewing GM candidates now, who can he interview? Interview now that is

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Was Montgomery active? I was surprised to find that Rino wasn't, then again I was surprised at MW playing RG.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606900]Pretty shitty move by Snyder if that's what happened. You learn a lot about people when :hitfan:

The smart thing to do is nothing right now. Snyder needs to show patience, even if it's killing him. That's the best thing for the long term success of the franchise. It won't fix anything this year. Barring true divine intervention, we have no chance at anything this year now anyway.

Snyder needs to be interviewing GM candidates now. Not Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren (I'm over the Holmgren as HC/GM, keep Zorn as Asst HC/OC thing, more in the Game Review). Don't do a damn thing until a real GM is hired.[/quote]

Exactly.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606900]Pretty shitty move by Snyder if that's what happened. You learn a lot about people when :hitfan:

The smart thing to do is nothing right now. Snyder needs to show patience, even if it's killing him. That's the best thing for the long term success of the franchise. It won't fix anything this year. Barring true divine intervention, we have no chance at anything this year now anyway.

Snyder needs to be interviewing GM candidates now. Not Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren (I'm over the Holmgren as HC/GM, keep Zorn as Asst HC/OC thing, more in the Game Review). Don't do a damn thing until a real GM is hired.[/quote]

All of the coaches you mention, Gruden being the exception, are among the twenty-five winningest coaches in the history of the NFL. Having an owner so infatuated with popularity, it's no wonder their names surface at the mention of a prospective head coach. We have at one point in time employed six of the twenty-five winningest coaches in NFL history, looking to add number seven..........simply amazing.

Here is the list:

Ray Flaherty
Earl Lambeau
Vince Lombardi
George Allen
Marty Schottenheimer
Joe Gibbs

There's not another team in the NFL that can sport these type credentials. We're still looking for a coach....

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Reading a few post, Picking Brian Orakpo was great pick. He was the best defensive player in this years draft. If our defensive staff would get their heads out of their A$$, and play him at end where he can terrorize qb's. But to place him at linebacker is only making him look like a second round draft choice.

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[quote=SmootSmack;606908]If what happened? Did I miss something?

As for interviewing GM candidates now, who can he interview? Interview now that is[/quote]Snyder not getting on the team plane because he was so pissed. PennSkins has it in the first post of the thread, per JLC.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606986]Snyder not getting on the team plane because he was so pissed. PennSkins has it in the first post of the thread, per JLC.[/quote]

Oh right, got ya. That plane ride would have been ugly if he was on the plane. He probably would have just started pushing people off without a parachute :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;606908]If what happened? Did I miss something?

As for interviewing GM candidates now, who can he interview? Interview now that is[/quote]Bruce Allen, Charlie Casserly, get some ideas from Ron Wolf, see if ownership in Indy will let Snyder bounce some ideas off Bill Polian, these guys should know who qualified GMs are.

Maybe as you've suggested in the past, the solution is in house with S. Campbell or M. Brown. Although I don't see Snyder giving either one the "keys to the kingdom" and stepping back to just sign checks. Another problem is if Snyder and Jerrah are buds, Snyder's going to want to do things like Jerrah, hence no GM.

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[quote=SmootSmack;606996]Oh right, got ya. That plane ride would have been ugly if he was on the plane. He probably would have just started pushing people off without a parachute :)[/quote]Based on the reports of Snyder's continued "tantrums", he's not improving in becoming a leader of men. Great marketer, poor leader.

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I think he's given up on trying with Ron Wolf. I think he talks with Bruce Allen (and maybe Casserly as well) pretty regularly but I guess I thought you were talking about current employees of other teams.

I think Scott Campbell is gone after this season. I at one point thought he might get bumped up but now not so sure

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"The front office of this team, as presently constructed, will never permit the Redskins to be a truly good team for any decent period of time."

So true. So sad.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;607023]Based on the reports of Snyder's continued "tantrums", he's not improving in becoming a leader of men. Great marketer, poor leader.[/quote]

I can't blame Snyder for not wanting to board the plane with Zorn or the team. It was an embarrassing loss after leading by 15 in the second half.

I don't consider this a tantrum...it seems more like a move of self-control. It would have been an ugly scene.

I really hate to say it, but I'm to the point where I think Zorn should be removed immediately. His playcalling never improves, he's not learning from mistakes and he's just in over his head. Personally, I love the guy. He's a great person. However, he just isn't ready for a role of leadership without experience. (seems popular for D.C. right now though)

We should install a new coach this week and not wait for Zorn's playcalls to fail against the Eagles before the bye week. Let the new coach rally the guys and maybe we can show up against Philly.

It's painful to admit it won't work. I had all of the optimism for Zorn that he's get it. Apparently, that 6-2 start last season was leftover from Coach Gibbs.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607026]I think he's given up on trying with Ron Wolf. I think he talks with Bruce Allen (and maybe Casserly as well) pretty regularly but I guess I thought you were talking about current employees of other teams.

I think Scott Campbell is gone after this season. I at one point thought he might get bumped up but now not so sure[/quote]I don't know the rules on talking with GMs of other teams, but if there's no rules on it then he needs to open the checkbook and go after Tannenbaum from the Jets, A.J. Smith from San Diego, or Dimitroff from ATL.

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[quote=redskins5044;606865]should have drafted Michael Oher. but we probably would have moved him to fullback. lol[/quote]

Orakpo was the right pick. He's to good to pass up and he's already on track to compete for DROY. However we dug our grave before that, by not using a second round pick on an O-lineman in 2008 and drafting a CB in the third round in 2009. Plus getting only one free agent O-lineman that made the team didn't help either. We would be in much better shape if we had just brought in Ray Willis. I'm assuming we're going to have a top 10 pick next year so I'm thinking that the first pick will probably be a QB, either Colt or Bradford. After that though we should use our next two picks on OL. Preferably a Tackle in the second round and a quality center in the third.

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[quote=redskins5044;606865]should have drafted michael oher. But we probably would have moved him to fullback. Lol[/quote]

rotfl!!!

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[quote=Skinny Tee;606857]Changing the coach really can't make that much a difference. It's not like it will give Campbell more time to throw or our WR more open.

Firing Zorn would just be a heat of passion move more than anything.[/quote]
Well look what it did for the 49er's as they started turning things around at the end of last year.

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[quote=Paintrain;606898]
Another logical miss was when Samuels went down, rather than play someone at LT who has never played it at the NFL level, [B]why not slide Heyer to LT[/B], Williams to RT and Will Montgomery to RG? Did Montgomery go from competing for a starting job when Thomas went down to 4th on the depth chart in 2 weeks?
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That's what I was wondering in the gameday thread

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[quote=SmootSmack;606996]Oh right, got ya. That plane ride would have been ugly if he was on the plane. He probably would have just started pushing people off without a parachute :)[/quote]
He'd probably offer them money to start winning.

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Either Coach would be good if you ask me. Zorn is lost. I like the idea of Danny Smith. After watching him try to school Zorn on the side-line he appears to know a lot more about play calling. I don't know much about Gray, but from what I see he appears to be no nonsense too. Either way Zorn is done.

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Could be as early as next Monday if the Skins decide to give another winless team their first victory of the season, but I would imagine that Zorn's done by the final whistle of the Eagles game. I'd imagine Sherman Smith would be out as well, with Sherm Lewis taking over as offensive coordinator. Gray or Smith can lead the sinking ship into the depths of the NFC East basement.

The only way the Redskins will ever completely start over is if Snyder decides to put his massively large ego aside and hire a football man to be his GM and let said GM call the shots. Until that day happens (I've yet to hear about hell freezing over or see pigs flying), it really won't matter who Snyder pays to be head coach, they will be limited by what the Front Office wants to do.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;607754]Could be as early as next Monday if the Skins decide to give another winless team their first victory of the season, but I would imagine that Zorn's done by the final whistle of the Eagles game. I'd imagine Sherman Smith would be out as well, with Sherm Lewis taking over as offensive coordinator. Gray or Smith can lead the sinking ship into the depths of the NFC East basement.

The only way the Redskins will ever completely start over is if Snyder decides to put his massively large ego aside and hire a football man to be his GM and let said GM call the shots. Until that day happens (I've yet to hear about hell freezing over or see pigs flying), it really won't matter who Snyder pays to be head coach, they will be limited by what the Front Office wants to do.[/quote]

So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?