Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

With apologies to DCPSR, I didn't want to wait to lay the smack down. So I'm going to temporarily divert from the new plan and post it directly on here today.

Let's get right to it. Time to lay the smack down

[B]Jim Zorn[/B] Raise your hand if you're secretly hoping we keep losing up until the bye week just to end this failed Zorn as HC experiment and put us all out of our misery. Seriously though, I'm obviously not rooting for a Redskins loss ever, but Zorn is way overmatched. No timeouts with 8 minutes left that's poor coaching in my opinion. Especially the 4th down timeout. Always know before 3rd down what you would do on the 4th down. Nice guy it seems, and I hope he continues to have success in the NFL, but this just isn't the place for him.

[B]Stephon Heyer[/B] Wow. I mean just wow. That "block" on the safety may just have been the ugliest block I've ever seen in football. That was u-g-l-y...and he ain't got no alibi

[B]Byron Westbrook[/B] This is like Special Teams 101. Don't get blocked into your own guy. Especially when he's the returner trying to make a fair catch with the lead in the 4th quarter. Westbrook's second special teams mistake this year (at least), following the whiff on Hunter's beautiful punt inside the 5 against the Giants

[B]DeAngelo Hall[/B] Nice job with the INT but how do you let Jake Delhomme go Allen Iverson 2002 on you and break your ankles on a 3rd and 8? You got posterized by Delhomme...on a running play? Sad dude, sad

[B]President Joe Gibbs[/B] Say what? You're going to hate on Gibbs? Saint Gibbs? Blasphemous! It's all Vinny's fault....Let's get this straight. Huge, Kim Kardashian's derrier-huge Gibbs fan. But before we get on Vinny for not drafting linemen let's not forget it was Gibbs who was in charge who called for us to trade a 3rd and a 4th for Brandon Lloyd and a 3rd for TJ Duckett. With some more picks maybe we could have done more to address our needs.

[B] Thinking Orakpo wasn't a good draft pick[/B] Ridiculous. Orakpo was a great, great pick. He will be a beast of a pass rusher. And if we hadn't drafted him there'd be chants of "why didn't we draft a pass rusher" Drafting Orakpo wasn't the problem. But not giving him more playing time at DE where he can actually rush the passer probably is.

[B]Browns vs. Bills[/B] Just wanted to throw this in here because it was so horrible. Derek Anderson goes 2-17. 2-17. And he was the winning QB!

So what now? Well, who really knows. I guess the big question is how soon until Mike Shanahan takes over. Forget all this talk about Shanny not coming here. If we want him bad enough, we'll get him. In my opinion, to sign him mid-season we have to offer him a lot. A lot! Head coach, president, general manager, probably some ownership stake. Shanahan in charge of personnel scares me. But it could easily happen. And it probably will. Personally, I'd rather just ride out the season and get a Bruce Allen, Reggie McKenzie, type and pair him up with a Russ Grimm, Brian Schottenheimer or even Kyle Shanahan. Either way, things look bleak right now.

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Derek Anderson is gritty though, and a division champion.

Or at least I was assuming. I was in a coma for the final three games of the 2007 season.

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This was a complete organizational loss. Yes, i believe Kevin Sheehan on the postgame said this, but I concur.

How so? Our depth is bad, our coaching is not going to out scheme any other team, and the FO chose the coach who can't outscheme anyone.

I think we need to blow up about 50% of this team. First we gotta bring in a football guy, as our GM.

This game is not on JC but damn, good qb's make up for bad o lines more often than not. Our o line play was putrid though. Horrible. Again, no depth, wasteful draft picks, picks given away that could provide depth.

We basically scored 3 pts if it weren't for our defense. It's really hard to sit and watch this year in and year out. Of course i'll continue to watch but it's just really hard.

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Antoine Winfield would have pancaked Delhomme. Hall is soft.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;606356]Antoine Winfield would have pancaked Delhomme. Hall is soft.[/quote]

Antoine Winfield is probably my favorite CB to watch play. He's awesome. Fast, VERY physical, great ball skills, excellent in coverage. He's a complete player. Hall is fast with great ball skills. That's about it.

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Hall has lived up to his past billing. He's probably been better in his 12 games for us then he has been at any 12 game stretch in his career.

You could argue that we got our money's worth, but certainly we're getting everything we could have possibly hoped for out of Hall. 3 picks in 5 games is a great, if unsustainable, rate.

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I think Hall screwed up there, but Hall also saved the TD on 4th and goal on the 1. Definitely needs props for that.

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[quote=Daseal;606366]I think Hall screwed up there, but Hall also saved the TD on 4th and goal on the 1. Definitely needs props for that.[/quote]

yea, hall got schooled on that 3rd and 8 play but overall, hall has not been a disappointment.

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Well I know something that still sucks from last year, our f-ing O-Line. No improvement there. I guess the FO will start worrying about that later...

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I called Jim Zorn a great coach before the year started? I really should be taking a terrible beating from you people for that thread.

I fail.

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Zorn apears doomed.
Heyer, the team is looking for the first opportunity for someone better.
Westbrook, poor judgement, must be aware of where his return man is at all times.
D. Hall, poor effort on the atempted tackle of Delhomme in the open field. Was a key play at that point in the game. Credit for the INT & return, like to see his tackling improve.
Orakpo is a beast, just playing out of position so early in his pro career. With more experience is going to be a great player.
I've said before, we don't know the outcome of the Zorn situation just yet, but (aside from money) I don't have a clue as to who would want this job under the current circumstances.

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On the other hand I took a good beating for my "Jason Campbell is not what I thought" thread after the first game last year and that one is turning out to be ok I guess.

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[quote=Chico23231;606383]Well I know something that still sucks from last year, our f-ing O-Line. No improvement there. I guess the FO will start worrying about that later...[/quote]

Exactly how can you tell if you QB, RB, WR or TE are developing if you can get anything off because of lack of protection.

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[B]NICE SMACKDOWN[/B]
TWO things SS:
TRUE, Gibbs hands are dirty in some of the personnel moves. BUT you have to give VC the lions share since that time and some before, although it is difficult to tell what his role really was in previous years. Not horrific, but not good, and to many bad moves especially on FA's
AND, AND.....the kiss of death...he hired Zorn

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[quote=wilsowilso;606384]I called Jim Zorn a great coach before the year started? I really should be taking a terrible beating from you people for that thread.

I fail.[/quote]

Dude I thought he was atleast better than this shit! I mean his first yr he goes 8-8, but now wtf he just sucks! Snyder and Gibbs both agree that he will be gone asap apparently

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/11/snyder-had-dinner-with-gibbs-last-night/]Snyder had dinner with Gibbs last night | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;606387]Zorn apears doomed.
Heyer, the team is looking for the first opportunity for someone better.
Westbrook, poor judgement, must be aware of where his return man is at all times.
D. Hall, poor effort on the atempted tackle of Delhomme in the open field. Was a key play at that point in the game. Credit for the INT & return, like to see his tackling improve.
[B][U]Orakpo is a beast, just playing out of position so early in his pro career. With more experience is going to be a great player.[/U][/B]
I've said before, we don't know the outcome of the Zorn situation just yet, but (aside from money) I don't have a clue as to who would want this job under the current circumstances.[/quote]



orakpo at lb needs to be canned, it was orakpo who got burned for carolinas first td. keep orackpo rushing the qb, he is very good at it.

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a lot of right put out right there

hall did stick dude on 4th and goal to end that goal line run though

some good people you put on the spot that were less involved than most people think

appreciate the quickness too

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DeAngelo Hall is going to get a lot of grief today, but let's not overstate that missed tackle on Delhomme. The game was lost anyway.

Even if Carolina was forced to punt, does anybody really believe we would have marched down the field for the game-winning/tying score?

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Zorn couldn't lead a group of girl scouts to a ice cream parlor giving away free ice cream. Dum ass. But also to be fare to him, the offense sucks and blame that on Snyder

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I think we've learned one very valuable thing from all of this: [B]do not hire any coach whose name is any combination of the letters N,O,R, and V.[/B]

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[quote=T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.;606415]I think we've learned one very valuable thing from all of this: [B]do not hire any coach whose name is any combination of the letters N,O,R, and V.[/B][/quote]

sorry, i must still be spinning fromk the game. well, coach vorn is almost right. sigh...

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[quote=wilsowilso;606384]I called Jim Zorn a great coach before the year started? I really should be taking a terrible beating from you people for that thread.

I fail.[/quote]

You weren't alone. But the teams failings are not all on Zorn.

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If Orakpo keeps up his recent pace, he'll end up with about 12 sacks.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;606356]Antoine Winfield would have pancaked Delhomme. Hall is soft.[/quote]

Smoot or Rogers would have made that play easily. This is not the first time he missed a important tackle

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[quote=Green1;606432]Smoot or Rogers would have made that play easily. This is not the first time he missed a important tackle[/quote]

I can't believe we are putting all this blame on Hall for this one play. We had two TD drives that were set up by turnovers(one was by Hall). Our offense had a total of 198 yards. Maybe that had something to do with the loss?????

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[quote=skinsfaninok;606396]Dude I thought he was atleast better than this shit! I mean his first yr he goes 8-8, but now wtf he just sucks! Snyder and Gibbs both agree that he will be gone asap apparently

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/11/snyder-had-dinner-with-gibbs-last-night/]Snyder had dinner with Gibbs last night | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

I was going to wonder out loud about Dungy coming here - he and Gibbs are friends. But I don't know that Dungy could be a good GM, or that he would be seen as DS Free.

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[quote=Lotus;606428]If Orakpo keeps up his recent pace, he'll end up with about 12 sacks.[/quote]

Imagine if he played primarily at DE.

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[quote=53Fan;606436]Imagine if he played primarily at DE.[/quote]

That's crazy talk 53. Why would you even come up with an idea like that?

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[quote=WaldSkins;606438]That's crazy talk 53. Why would you even come up with an idea like that?[/quote]

:laughing- Just delusional I guess.

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[quote=WaldSkins;606434]I can't believe we are putting all this blame on Hall for this one play. We had two TD drives that were set up by turnovers(one was by Hall). Our offense had a total of 198 yards. Maybe that had something to do with the loss?????[/quote]

I'm not putting the blame on Hall at all. But I am putting the blame on him for that one important play

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[quote=SmootSmack;606331]With apologies to DCPSR, I didn't want to wait to lay the smack down. So I'm going to temporarily divert from the new plan and post it directly on here today.

Let's get right to it. Time to lay the smack down

[B]Jim Zorn[/B] Raise your hand if you're secretly hoping we keep losing up until the bye week just to end this failed Zorn as HC experiment and put us all out of our misery. Seriously though, I'm obviously not rooting for a Redskins loss ever, but Zorn is way overmatched. No timeouts with 8 minutes left that's poor coaching in my opinion. Especially the 4th down timeout. Always know before 3rd down what you would do on the 4th down. Nice guy it seems, and I hope he continues to have success in the NFL, but this just isn't the place for him.

[B]Stephon Heyer[/B] Wow. I mean just wow. That "block" on the safety may just have been the ugliest block I've ever seen in football. That was u-g-l-y...and he ain't got no alibi

[B]Byron Westbrook[/B] This is like Special Teams 101. Don't get blocked into your own guy. Especially when he's the returner trying to make a fair catch with the lead in the 4th quarter. Westbrook's second special teams mistake this year (at least), following the whiff on Hunter's beautiful punt inside the 5 against the Giants

[B]DeAngelo Hall[/B] Nice job with the INT but how do you let Jake Delhomme go Allen Iverson 2002 on you and break your ankles on a 3rd and 8? You got posterized by Delhomme...on a running play? Sad dude, sad

[B]President Joe Gibbs[/B] Say what? You're going to hate on Gibbs? Saint Gibbs? Blasphemous! It's all Vinny's fault....Let's get this straight. Huge, Kim Kardashian's derrier-huge Gibbs fan. But before we get on Vinny for not drafting linemen let's not forget it was Gibbs who was in charge who called for us to trade a 3rd and a 4th for Brandon Lloyd and a 3rd for TJ Duckett. With some more picks maybe we could have done more to address our needs.

[B] Thinking Orakpo wasn't a good draft pick[/B] Ridiculous. Orakpo was a great, great pick. He will be a beast of a pass rusher. And if we hadn't drafted him there'd be chants of "why didn't we draft a pass rusher" Drafting Orakpo wasn't the problem. But not giving him more playing time at DE where he can actually rush the passer probably is.

[B]Browns vs. Bills[/B] Just wanted to throw this in here because it was so horrible. Derek Anderson goes 2-17. 2-17. And he was the winning QB!

So what now? Well, who really knows. I guess the big question is how soon until Mike Shanahan takes over. Forget all this talk about Shanny not coming here. If we want him bad enough, we'll get him. In my opinion, to sign him mid-season we have to offer him a lot. A lot! Head coach, president, general manager, probably some ownership stake. Shanahan in charge of personnel scares me. But it could easily happen. And it probably will. Personally, I'd rather just ride out the season and get a Bruce Allen, Reggie McKenzie, type and pair him up with a Russ Grimm, Brian Schottenheimer or even Kyle Shanahan. Either way, things look bleak right now.[/quote]

[B]Zorn[/B]: College offensive passing game. He needs to go b4 we lose to KC.
[B]Stephon Heyer[/B]: You're right on this point, but you left out Batiste.
Bryon Westbrook: Just a dumb play.
[B]DeAngelo Hall[/B]: He needs to work on his tackling. Tackling Drills All Next Week.
[B]Joe Gibbs[/B]: Not to blame at all, this is still Gibbs team, Zorn has the D and the running plays from Gibbs, the problem is the passing game, and playcalling. Look at the good players that he brought in.
[B]Orakpo[/B]: Good player at DE, they need the let him play DE not linebacker. King beat him for the touchdown, Zorn is HC he needs to change that today.
[B]Derek Anderson goes 2-17[/B]: And people say JC is a bad QB, look at the alternatives.
I'm open for almost anyone to come in as HC now, Grimm or almost anyone from the Gibbs coaching tree.

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[quote=SmootSmack;606449]I'm not putting the blame on Hall at all. But I am putting the blame on him for that one important play[/quote]

No he screwed up big time on that final play. But it seems like everyone is suggesting that if we get the ball back, we were going to run down the field for a score even though we couldn't move the ball all day.

By the way i'm glad you posted the Smackdown on the warpath. Yeah i know it was only one additional click but somethings are better left untouched.

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Didn't Joe Gibbs also get a guy named Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley??

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[quote=WaldSkins;606464]No he screwed up big time on that final play. But it seems like everyone is suggesting that if we get the ball back, we were going to run down the field for a score even though we couldn't move the ball all day.

By the way i'm glad you posted the Smackdown on the warpath. Yeah i know it was only one additional click but [B]somethings are better left untouched[/B].[/quote]

That sounds oddly familiar. Maybe it was my GF that said that.

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[quote=53Fan;606487]That sounds oddly familiar. Maybe it was my GF that said that.[/quote]

He sounds like a smart man.

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[quote=53Fan;606487]That sounds oddly familiar. Maybe it was my GF that said that.[/quote]

U sure u aren't married?

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[quote=WaldSkins;606490]He sounds like a smart man.[/quote]

Smartass.

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Everyone else seem to forget about D. Thomas; he dropped the ball right when the ball hit him into his hand.. If he caught that ball, we more likely would have won the game..

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[quote=SmootSmack;606331]With apologies to DCPSR, I didn't want to wait to lay the smack down. So I'm going to temporarily divert from the new plan and post it directly on here today.

Let's get right to it. Time to lay the smack down

[B]Jim Zorn[/B] Raise your hand if you're secretly hoping we keep losing up until the bye week just to end this failed Zorn as HC experiment and put us all out of our misery. Seriously though, I'm obviously not rooting for a Redskins loss ever, but Zorn is way overmatched. No timeouts with 8 minutes left that's poor coaching in my opinion. Especially the 4th down timeout. Always know before 3rd down what you would do on the 4th down. Nice guy it seems, and I hope he continues to have success in the NFL, but this just isn't the place for him.

[B]Stephon Heyer[/B] Wow. I mean just wow. That "block" on the safety may just have been the ugliest block I've ever seen in football. That was u-g-l-y...and he ain't got no alibi

[B]Byron Westbrook[/B] This is like Special Teams 101. Don't get blocked into your own guy. Especially when he's the returner trying to make a fair catch with the lead in the 4th quarter. Westbrook's second special teams mistake this year (at least), following the whiff on Hunter's beautiful punt inside the 5 against the Giants

[B]DeAngelo Hall[/B] Nice job with the INT but how do you let Jake Delhomme go Allen Iverson 2002 on you and break your ankles on a 3rd and 8? You got posterized by Delhomme...on a running play? Sad dude, sad

[B]President Joe Gibbs[/B] Say what? You're going to hate on Gibbs? Saint Gibbs? Blasphemous! It's all Vinny's fault....Let's get this straight. Huge, Kim Kardashian's derrier-huge Gibbs fan. But before we get on Vinny for not drafting linemen let's not forget it was Gibbs who was in charge who called for us to trade a 3rd and a 4th for Brandon Lloyd and a 3rd for TJ Duckett. With some more picks maybe we could have done more to address our needs.

[B] Thinking Orakpo wasn't a good draft pick[/B] Ridiculous. Orakpo was a great, great pick. He will be a beast of a pass rusher. And if we hadn't drafted him there'd be chants of "why didn't we draft a pass rusher" Drafting Orakpo wasn't the problem. But not giving him more playing time at DE where he can actually rush the passer probably is.

[B]Browns vs. Bills[/B] Just wanted to throw this in here because it was so horrible. Derek Anderson goes 2-17. 2-17. And he was the winning QB!

So what now? Well, who really knows. I guess the big question is how soon until Mike Shanahan takes over. Forget all this talk about Shanny not coming here. If we want him bad enough, we'll get him. In my opinion, to sign him mid-season we have to offer him a lot. A lot! Head coach, president, general manager, probably some ownership stake. Shanahan in charge of personnel scares me. But it could easily happen. And it probably will. Personally, I'd rather just ride out the season and get a Bruce Allen, Reggie McKenzie, type and pair him up with a Russ Grimm, Brian Schottenheimer or even Kyle Shanahan. Either way, things look bleak right now.[/quote]

I agree. I'd like to see Grimm paired with a good personnel guy. The big name guys may lack the hunger that Grimm might bring. He could be the Offensive version of Mike Singletary, and he's got GLORY DAY REDSKIN DNA coursing through his veins. He would excite the "base" like no other. It's a Danny Boy cream his pants, wet dream special. Marketing glitz with actual results to go along with it.

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[quote=53Fan;606493]Smartass.[/quote]

Haha for some reason i thought GF stood for grandfather