Lighten Up On Snyder
 

Snyder has been receiving a lot of negative backlash after this loss to the Lions. Everyone should lighten up because Snyder isn't such a bad guy. Though it's hard to find some things that ingratiate him right now check out this article from last year.

The cellphone trick he pulls is just hiliarious!...too funny...Snyder's not so bad.

[url=http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/09/28/3673802.htm]It's a rich rivalry for Dallas Cowboys, Redskins owners: Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are friendly rivals[/url]

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599426]Snyder has been receiving a lot of negative backlash after this loss to the Lions. Everyone should lighten up because Snyder isn't such a bad guy. Though it's hard to find some things that ingratiate him right now check out this article from last year.

The cellphone trick he pulls is just hiliarious!...too funny...Snyder's not so bad.

[URL="http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/09/28/3673802.htm"]It's a rich rivalry for Dallas Cowboys, Redskins owners: Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are friendly rivals[/URL][/quote]

I agree man, lets get off DS. When he brought Gibbs back we all loved him, it's not his fault Zorn can't lead an offense. DS isn't missing reads on defense or rushing for 50 yds a game.. (CP) I bet when he brings in Shanahan or Holmgren you guys will forgive him.. Winning cures everything.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;599428]I agree man, lets get off DS. When he brought Gibbs back we all loved him, it's not his fault Zorn can't lead an offense. DS isn't missing reads on defense or rushing for 50 yds a game.. (CP) I bet when he brings in Shanahan or Holmgren you guys will forgive him.. Winning cures everything.[/quote]

Yeah...how can you not like Snyder more after reading this article???

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skinny tee i like you buddy but come on . . . you pull an article out from last year and post it?

DS is a very very rich . . .

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NERD!!

ps - dangit i can never get pics to show up. where the hell is that IT nerd for our office.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599436]Yeah...how can you not like Snyder more after reading this article???[/quote]

Dude all he wants to do is win.. It's really hard to win Championships in the Nfl, ask Marino amongst other greats to never win it.. The article is funny, freaking Billionaire owners, that would be nice lol. I am a believer in Snyder and I still think if Gibbs was here, we would be a top 10 team.

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[quote=over the mountain;599439]skinny tee i like you buddy but come on . . . you pull an article out from last year and post it?

DS is a very very rich . . .

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NERD!!

ps - dangit i can never get pics to show up. where the hell is that IT nerd for our office.[/quote]

You have to do it like this...

[img] (THE LINK GOES HERE) [/img]


Put those [img] things around your link and it will show up.

...Snyder's the best isn't he???

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[quote=skinsfaninok;599428]I agree man, lets get off DS. When he brought Gibbs back we all loved him, it's not his fault Zorn can't lead an offense. DS isn't missing reads on defense or rushing for 50 yds a game.. (CP) I bet when he brings in Shanahan or Holmgren you guys will forgive him.. Winning cures everything.[/quote]

While I love Gibbs I'm not sold that bringing him back was such a great idea. The one thing I can say about Snyder is that he wants to win more then anyone but just keeps failing. I'm sure at some point he will figure this out but right now it does not look all that good.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;599442]Dude all he wants to do is win.. It's really hard to win Championships in the Nfl, ask Marino amongst other greats to never win it.. The article is funny, freaking Billionaire owners, that would be nice lol. I am a believer in Snyder and I still think if Gibbs was here, we would be a top 10 team.[/quote]

I CAUGHT HIM!!!...I CAUGHT HIM YOU GUYS!!!

A Snyder supporter!!!...Lock this bastard up and hang him!!!

My trick worked! I ensnared a Snyder supporter or even Dan Snyder himself! LET'S STRING HIM UP GUYS!!!

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Oh what a heart warming story...Snyder's daughter loaded HTTR as a ringtone onto a cell phone and two billionaires can get along. Pssssshhhhh pleeeeeeeaaaaaaase.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599426]Snyder has been receiving a lot of negative backlash after this loss to the Lions. Everyone should lighten up because Snyder isn't such a bad guy. Though it's hard to find some things that ingratiate him right now check out this article from last year.

The cellphone trick he pulls is just hiliarious!...too funny...Snyder's not so bad.

[url=http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/09/28/3673802.htm]It's a rich rivalry for Dallas Cowboys, Redskins owners: Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are friendly rivals[/url][/quote]


Snyder has been recieving negative backlash since his experiment with Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Dieon Sanders, Jeff George and a host of others.

He may not seem like a bad owner to those who don't have a lot to compare him too, but being a supporter of this team long before Snyder was born, he fails miserably in comparison to his predecessor. Even the late George Marshall who was the owner when we purchased our first season tickets, with all his faults would turn over in his grave if he could what has been done to his beloved Redskins. People who truly love the Redskins and have been faithful followers for many years are not going to let Snyder off the hook as easily as a few lines from the keypad, they're going to stay on his case until he demonstrates he's willing/or has learned how to run a professional sports franchise. The onus is on him, if he never learns it won't be because he hasn't had time to do so, or supporters willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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lol skinny tee you so crazy!

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[quote=Longtimefan;599468]Snyder has been recieving negative backlash since his experiment with Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Dieon Sanders, Jeff George and a host of others.

He may not seem like a bad owner to those who don't have a lot to compare him too, but being a supporter of this team long before Snyder was born, he fails miserably in comparison to his predecessor. Even the late George Marshall who was the owner when we purchased our first season tickets, with all his faults would turn over in his grave if he could what has been done to his beloved Redskins. People who truly love the Redskins and have been faithful followers for many years are not going to let Snyder off the hook as easily as a few lines from the keypad, they're going to stay on his case until he demonstrates he's willing/or has learned how to run a professional sports franchise. The onus is on him, if he never learns it won't be because he hasn't had time to do so, or supporters willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]

Didn't Marshall fire a coach at halftime?

I'm not sure Marshall, Cooke, or Williams would act all that differently from Snyder if any one of them were the owner today.

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Snyder needs to commit himself to not making any football decisions and hire a true GM. His way of teambuilding has been pathetic. It has come to the point of losing to a horrible Lions team, hitting a bottom I havent felt. Ill support the players without a doubt, but I will not support the FO and their constant poor decisions. People need to wake up.

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Is this a joke? Snyder is a terrible owner. He doesn't seem like a good person to me, but what I care about his what he does as owner of the Redskins and what he does sucks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599474]Didn't Marshall fire a coach at halftime?

I'm not sure Marshall, Cooke, or Williams would act all that differently from Snyder if any one of them were the owner today.[/quote]

I did happen to know Mr. Marshall personally and it does make a difference when you know someone as opposed to what you hear or read.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;599442]Dude all he wants to do is win..[/quote]That's not true. The most important thing he wants to do is run the front office. If winning was all that mattered to Dan Snyder, he'd put a real management team in charge of personnel decisions. As long as he and Vinny Cerrato are making these decisions, the Redskins will never be a consistently good team. Never. If Snyder wants to win, the first thing he should do is fire himself and Vinny.

Don't hold your breath.

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[quote=Longtimefan;599487]I did happen to know Mr. Marshall personally and it does make a difference when you know someone as opposed to what you hear or read.[/quote]

That's pretty cool. So I have a couple of questions then. Is it actually true that he fired a coach at halftime, and did/do you know all the other owners personally as well?

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Listen, this decade has been miserable and much can be blamed on his interference. There are not too many successful franchises out there where owners are manipulative and involved. The guy even tried to buy up the media so only his spin is released.

Dan Snyder gets absolutely NO PASS from me. I have said it before and say it again, Snyder is NOT a NEW owner. He is not LEARNING! He has been an owner for ten years now. A decade. 5 coaches. A .455 winning percentage. No NFC East titles. No NFC Titles. 2 winning season in ten years. Horrible drafts. You can see all this by just looking. Why do the Colts, Steelers, Giants, Patriots, and other win consistently? They have professional front office and non-owner involvement in building the football team.

Snyder has tried it his way. His way is to be Owner/GM. Fact is, it has failed miserably. He can save his legacy by doing the right thing and hiring a top quality GM and stepping out of football operations.

Just remember. When you talk about Spurrier, you talk about Zorn, you talk about bad signings, there is one central figure to all these.

If everyone is 7-9 to 9-7 record with an occassional 10-6, then a Snyder run team is for you.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599494]That's pretty cool. So I have a couple of questions then. Is it actually true that he fired a coach at halftime, and did/do you know all the other owners personally as well?[/quote]


True he did fire a coach once at mid game, and he failed to employ African American players until Bobby Mitchell, none of which has muct to do with the ineptness of our current administration.

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[quote=Spence;599486]Is this a joke? Snyder is a terrible owner. He doesn't seem like a good person to me, but what I care about his what he does as owner of the Redskins and what he does sucks.[/quote]

Wow, I never would have guessed these were your feelings from reading your highly unbiased reports at DCPSR. I am amazed at the objectivity that shines through your reports now that I know how you really feel.

Ok, now that was a joke.

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[quote=Spence;599486]Is this a joke? Snyder is a terrible owner. He doesn't seem like a good person to me, but what I care about his what he does as owner of the Redskins and what he does sucks.[/quote]We can debate his running of the franchise (I don't agree that he's a "terrible" owner), but not so sure why he's not a good person?

[url=http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/1679.html]The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599502]We can debate his running of the franchise (I don't agree that he's a "terrible" owner), but not so sure why he's not a good person?

[URL="http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/1679.html"]The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)[/URL][/quote]


WE FOUND ANOTHER ONE!!!


...Any good person would want the Redskins to win by any means...not just financial.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;599501]Wow, I never would have guessed these were your feelings from reading your highly unbiased reports at DCPSR. I am amazed at the objectivity that shines through your reports now that I know how you really feel.

Ok, now that was a joke.[/quote]Um, you understand that opinion is the central basis of a fan website, right? Let me know when you see something at DC Pro Sports Report about it being an opinion-free zone. The whole point of the website is to state our views, hopefully backing them up with available evidence.

The available evidence I cite for Dan Snyder being a bad owner is the last decade. I think it's a pretty good case.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;599498]Snyder has tried it his way. [B]His way is to be Owner/GM.[/B] Fact is, it has failed miserably.[/quote]Don't rehash the Norv/Marty/Spurrier crap that was over 5 years ago. Does that count bringing in Gibbs?

[quote]He can save his legacy by doing the right thing and hiring a top quality GM and stepping out of football operations.[/quote]I don't have a problem with this and if we're able to get Holmgren now it's the right thing to do now. If Holmgren can't be locked down, then Snyder needs to take his time and find the right fit for GM. It doesn't need to happen before the Bye week.

Last I checked DS doesn't call plays or make plays on the field. He does bring in the best talent that HIS COACHES have asked for.

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[quote=Spence;599486]Is this a joke? [B]Snyder is a terrible owner[/B]. He doesn't seem like a good person to me, but what I care about his what he does as owner of the Redskins and what he does sucks.[/quote]
what do you base this on? i guess the on field product/ wins and losses? because in my eyes, i like the fact that he will do what ever it takes to win. sure, he has made a lot of bad decisions. what owner hasn't? there aren't a lot of owners i would take over Snyder. people around here make me laugh when the bad decisions that are made are solely blamed on Snyder. how many of you guys were happy as hell( at the time) when the skins went out and signed all of the big name free agents? ill bet a whole bunch of you. the only thing that irks me with Snyder is his inability to see we need a football guy running things. and that doesn't mean Mr. Cerrato

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599502]We can debate his running of the franchise (I don't agree that he's a "terrible" owner), but not so sure why he's not a good person?

[url=http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/1679.html]The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)[/url][/quote]For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599503]WE FOUND ANOTHER ONE!!!


...Any good person would want the Redskins to win by any means...not just financial.[/quote]If I remember my history correctly, didn't some folks up in the Salem area back in 1692 or so do something similar to what's been going here with Snyder this week?

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[quote=dmek25;599506]what do you base this on? i guess the on field product/ wins and losses?[/quote]I'm tempted to reply: What else is there? In the end, owners should be judged by wins and losses, just as coaches are.

[quote=dmek25;599506]because in my eyes, i like the fact that he will do what ever it takes to win.[/quote]This is the most commonly cited fallacy about Dan Snyder. He'll do anything to win. No, he won't. He might spend anything to win [and pass the cost on to the customers, of course], but he won't do anything to win. If he was willing to do anything to win, he'd fire himself and Vinny and hire a real GM. [quote=dmek25;599506]surer, he has made a lot of bad decisions. what owner hasn't?[/quote]Snyder has packed a lifetime of bad decision [and coaches] into 10 years. [quote=dmek25;599506]there aren't a lot of owners i would take over Snyder.[/quote]I would take virtually any owner over Snyder. I'm not impressed by his willingness to spend money, he has no idea how to spend it. I prefer an ownership that is careful with money, but spends it on good coaches, good personnel experts and good players. The Rooney's of Pittsburgh come to mind. [quote=dmek25;599506]the only thing that irks me with Snyder is his inability to see we need a football guy running things. and that doesn't mean Mr. Cerrato[/quote]Amigo, you just made the case against Snyder.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599509]If I remember my history correctly, didn't some folks up in the Salem area back in 1692 or so do something similar to what's been going here with Snyder this week?[/quote]No. People in Salem were accused of crimes they did not commit and killed for them. That's actually nothing like what is happening with Snyder.

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[quote=Spence;599508]For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.[/quote]

I agree...

It's more about actions than words for me...

You can tell the entire focus for the Redskins is money-centric. From high priced parking passes, to the $17 combo meals at Johnny Rockets, to only team who has charged admission to training camp, to always signing the biggest free agent contracts in NFL history at all positions.


Bottom line is this team's focus is the money and not the trophy.

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if you dropped a "dude" in there somewhere, i would swear Spence is SBF

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599505]Last I checked DS doesn't call plays or make plays on the field. He does bring in the best talent that HIS COACHES have asked for.[/quote]You really think Snyder asks Zorn to approve his personnel decisions? You must be joking. Snyder didn't even allow Zorn to pick his own coaches. He sure as hell isn't going to allow Zorn to tell him how to spend on free agency.

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Spence, i don't know why you keep bringing up Snyder passing the cost onto the fan. can you name me one owner that doesn't? or one successful businessman that doesn't?

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DS has been here for 10 years and his WL record is mediocre at best. You might say, well he tries, so we've got to give him that! When is the last time you got a raise for trying your best? You get promotions thru results and our results have been average.

Now, i'm glad we have an owner that at least attempts to be the best. I'll give him that. We also have an owner that can't seem to bring himself to structure our organization which gives us the best chance to win. He can't bring himself to make changes for the best of our organization. See Marty. See Vinny Cerrato.

If you don't change, expect the same results. We've been getting the same results for 10 years.

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[quote=Spence;599508]For every Washingtonian puff piece, I can find several articles about what a twerp Snyder is. If you're cool with $30 to park at FedEx Field and high ticket prices for a poor product, that's your business. I'm not cool with it. Diff'rent strokes and all.[/quote]I'm pretty sure most of the "twerp" articles would be around his business dealings. Business is business, not personal.

If you're not cool with the parking/ticket prices, team's performance, etc. Don't go, don't watch, no one's holding a gun to your head. No one complains when Snyder strokes massive checks, flys the team to ST's funeral, and supports the players families.

Without revenue Snyder continues to bring in, we will at some point be limited in our options financially. I don't think any of us want that. With the salary cap possibly going away, I'd say it's a lot better to in the Redskins position than the Bengals or Jags. If the salary cap goes away, you negative types will be singing a much different tune. Don't forget the team that JKC built was without a salary cap.

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[quote=Spence;599514]You really think Snyder asks Zorn to approve his personnel decisions? You must be joking. [B]Snyder didn't even allow Zorn to[/B] [B]pick his own coaches[/B]. He sure as hell isn't going to allow Zorn to tell him how to spend on free agency.[/quote]
how do you know this? Zorn was the first hire, so he could have been consulted. or do you work for the skins, thus being an insider?

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And let's recall that Zorn wasn't brought here to be the head coach. He was hired to be the offensive coordinator before a head coach was hired. [In other words, the head coach wasn't going to be allowed to hire his own offensive coordinator. Or defensive coordinator, since Blache was assured of his job, too.] Zorn was only promoted to head coach because no self-respecting NFL coach wanted to work for Snyder.

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[quote=dmek25;599515]Spence, i don't know why you keep bringing up Snyder passing the cost onto the fan. can you name me one owner that doesn't? or one successful businessman that doesn't?[/quote]
I mentioned it once. As for ticket and parking prices, those are legitimate issues. Snyder sets those prices. If we can't hold Snyder responsible for his own decisions, what's the point of being allowed to discuss him at all? I don't mind being charged for a good product. Let me know when we have one.

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[quote=dmek25;599519]how do you know this? Zorn was the first hire, so he could have been consulted. or do you work for the skins, thus being an insider?[/quote]You just confirmed what I wrote. Zorn was the first hire. He was hired to be offensive coordinator, not head coach. Ergo, the head coach wasn't going to be allowed to hire his own coaches.

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[quote=Spence;599522]I mentioned it once. As for ticket and parking prices, those are legitimate issues. Snyder sets those prices. If we can't hold Snyder responsible for his own decisions, what's the point of being allowed to discuss him at all? [B]I don't mind being charged for a good product. Let me know when we have one[/B].[/quote]
If you check around, you'll find it's outrageous to see ANY NFL team. I don't know if we are the highest or not. HOWEVER, if you don't want to deal with that..........don't go. Simple, right?
AND.....last time I checked, there were about 100k people waiting for ticks
HTTR