Should Ramsey Start Against Chicago?
 

Has Brunell done enough to justify starting?

nobody on the offense has

well, Ramsey's the qb of the future, lets start grooming Ramsey now.

I say start Ramsey......we need a change

I said this last week, start Ramsey.

Brunell hasn't looked comfortable in any games so far, he misses open receivers and is far too quick in throwing the ball instead of scrambling, hammy or not.

How long have I been saying that?

Where is all of the blame for Coles or the O Line? Where is everyone rushing to Brunell's defense this week? I want to know? What finally made it hit home that he sucks? Someone tell me because I've been telling you he was no good since we played Dallas.

And the tide is turning.

As I said last week, Ramsey is our future and Brunell should be the guy to tutor him. Brunell is the savy veteran who can help Ramsey see what he hasn't been able to.

Brunell had about a 40% completion percentage, threw for less than 100 yards, refuses to eat a hit for a completion, and has led us to 1-4. WHAT exactly does he need to do to get benched?

Ramsey isn't perfect, Ramsey isn't going to be our savior (this season), but he'll move the ball.

I would be against it a week ago, but now it should be given consideration. I still think a lot of you forget Ramsey's performance against the Giants. However, Gibbs likes to throw the longball and Ramsey does have a better arm. Ramsey will not be able to save this season though.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Has Brunell done enough to justify starting?[/QUOTE]

I think before we experiment with a new QB, we ought to experiment at starting right tackle...maybe Mark Wilson over Kenyatta and Ray. Too many tackles for loss and turnovers when we're attacked from the right side of the line.

I say use the Chicago game as the litmus test for QB. If Brunell can't do anything against the Bears, its time to sit him. Its not like we're rushing to the playoffs this year, or anything.

:vomit-smi Brunell, Bring in Ramsey

[QUOTE=hurrykaine]I think before we experiment with a new QB, we ought to experiment at starting right tackle...maybe Mark Wilson over Kenyatta and Ray. Too many tackles for loss and turnovers when we're attacked from the right side of the line.

I say use the Chicago game as the litmus test for QB. If Brunell can't do anything against the Bears, its time to sit him. Its not like we're rushing to the playoffs this year, or anything.[/QUOTE]

That's a good point, but I still respectfully disagree. If this guy's name wasn't Brunell his butt would've been yanked by now.

Maybe it is time for a change, but I'm still not going to pin all the blame on Brunell.

Alot of other guys are struggling right along with him, the entire offense is sputtering, it's not just Brunell.

I don't know if Ramsey would make much of a difference.

Might as well toss him in there so he stink up the joint and we can call for his head and beg for Hasslebeck.

[QUOTE=redrock-skins]I would be against it a week ago, but now it should be given consideration. I still think a lot of you forget Ramsey's performance against the Giants. However, Gibbs likes to throw the longball and Ramsey does have a better arm. Ramsey will not be able to save this season though.[/QUOTE]

I haven't forgotten Ramsey's performance against the G-men.

But, I haven't forgotten Brunell's performance in Week 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

Brunell is NOT the one thing "off" with this offense. do not get it twisted. Ramsey has a TON to learn, and can stink up the joint just as bad if not worse. but since he's the qb of the future, i say get all out of him now. we have nothing to lose at this point.

seems to me that this season is already done. so like they're saying, why not get ramsey for next year.?

Last season, when all seemed lost Ramsey would still gut out a blitz or pass rush (sometimes for too long). I haven't seen anything like that from Brunell.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Maybe it is time for a change, but I'm still not going to pin all the blame on Brunell.

Alot of other guys are struggling right along with him, the entire offense is sputtering, it's not just Brunell.

I don't know if Ramsey would make much of a difference.

Might as well toss him in there so he stink up the joint and we can call for his head and beg for Hasslebeck.[/QUOTE]

I agree it's not all on Brunell (Portis, the O-Line, Bugel and Gibbs deserve some blame).

I also [B]WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR[/B] that I don't think Ramsey is going to be our savior this seaon. But, I do believe Ramsey would've produced a better record for us by now than Brunell has.

The seasons done. Put Ramsey in and let him get a lot of practice.

Hasselbeck sounds better than either one of them!

i dont think the season is done but i do feel its time to make a change at qb

Ramsey, no doubt. Unfortunately it is not going to happen. Gibbs is going to stick with Brunell to the bitter end. This could be his first double digit loss season as a coach.

[QUOTE=rickmmrr]The seasons done. Put Ramsey in and let him get a lot of practice.[/QUOTE]

There's no way we can salvage anything from this season but our pride and some understanding of where we are headed. If Brunell can't get it done at 34, do you think he'll be better at 35?

Ramsey may or may not be the ultimate answer, but I KNOW Brunell is not our short term answer, or our long term solution.

I still can't believe we didn't score a single point on a unassisted (resulting from a TO) drive.

I think Brunell doesn't have confidence in his arm anymore

[QUOTE=DirtBagZ]Ramsey, no doubt. Unfortunately it is not going to happen. Gibbs is going to stick with Brunell to the bitter end. This could be his first double digit loss season as a coach.[/QUOTE]
Gibbs will make a change if he feels it can benefit the team, but that's the question right now, does he think Ramsey can do a better job??

give me ramsey, hassleback, tupa, the waterboy.... anybody BUT brunell. this guy has ripped my heart out one too many times. HE SUCKS!

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Maybe it is time for a change, but I'm still not going to pin all the blame on Brunell.

Alot of other guys are struggling right along with him, the entire offense is sputtering, it's not just Brunell.

I don't know if Ramsey would make much of a difference.

Might as well toss him in there so he stink up the joint and we can call for his head and beg for Hasslebeck.[/QUOTE]

I'm gonna agree and say we cant pin it all on Brunell, because alot of guys arent doing their job. While its not completley his fault, I'm going to say bring in Ramsey. Brunell is just not comfortable whatsoever. He is throwing duffs, and just thorwing on the run, not setting his feet. I mean, hes gonna get drilled no matter what, so he has to suck it up and just stay calm. I agree with your last quote too, because thats whats gonna happen as soon as Ramsey has a bad game. Personally, I wnat to see Ramsey in because I think he can lead this offense better. I dont know, I just think Brunell is washed up, hes deifntley not the same anymore.

if we're gonna spend the rest of this season hammering out the offense regardless of winning, shouldn't it be with the qb that will be playing next season?

[QUOTE=illdefined]if we're gonna spend the rest of this season hammering out the offense regardless of winning, shouldn't it be with the qb that will be playing next season?[/QUOTE]


you're absolutely right illdefined..

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Gibbs will make a change if he feels it can benefit the team, but that's the question right now, does he think Ramsey can do a better job??[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I am not in the DC area so could not catch any of the post-game, but I can almost guarantee there will be yet another, "Mark played his guts out" from Gibbs.

Gibbs shelters his players, so I would not expect him to call a guy out, but to keep praising Brunell for playing his guts out, is a bit much. Brunell has been instrumental in lossing each of these games.

It is only now after this last debacle, that more people on this forum are begining to call out Brunell. 83 yds passing speaks volumes. As does his constant happy feet, he does not plant and throw.

There was a special on one of the pregame shows a few weeks back highlighting McNabb, who made of point of saying that his improved accuracy was due to better footwork and using his lower body in his throws. If a strong armed quarterback like McNabb has to use his lower body, is anyone going argue that the same does not apply to Brunell?

You know I've read a lot of threads about Brunells performance instead of looking at the consistent disgusting performance of Portis. The excuses he has made and his failures has seriously damaged the offense because it has made our offense one dimesional. No running game, no passing game. We need a change at the running back position until Portis understands what he's suppose to be doing.

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I think Brunell doesn't have confidence in his arm anymore[/QUOTE]

I think Brunell has given up on the offensive line. After the fumble after Bett's failure to block, Brunell went down hill.

I understand that the QB is the "pilot" of the offense but geez....we're not getting it done on the ground either.

Heres the agrument I have for not getting it done on the ground. We have no blocking, plain and simple. When theres no blocking on the ground, there are no holes and no yardage. Now while some things are still the fault of Portis/Playcalling, I just couldnt see a play where I could be like... WOW Portis sure messed up on that play.
On the other hand, I just found myself getting pissed at Brunell about 30 times tonight. Now while I'm sure half of those werent his fault, he did f**k up alot. Even though the protection sucked, he still had the chances to plant his feet and get rid of the football... but he didnt. I saw so many opprotunities for Brunell, and just didnt see the same for Portis.

Patrick Ramsey will not start next week or the week after unless Brunell is injured. I think right now this team has to look closely at the playcalling in situations that are hurry up offenses. Under pressure our offense has crumbled and this has been consistent for the past four weeks.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]You know I've read a lot of threads about Brunells performance instead of looking at the consistent disgusting performance of Portis. The excuses he has made and his failures has seriously damaged the offense because it has made our offense one dimesional. No running game, no passing game. We need a change at the running back position until Portis understands what he's suppose to be doing.[/QUOTE]
I knew this was comming. Sorry, but this last loss is all Brunell. And when the fumble for a TD occurred, that was Betts blocking, you cannot blame that one on Portis. Guess you are going to blame Portis, for when he got hit behind the line when Ed Reed came in on the safety blitz too?

How many more fumbles from brunell that lead to a touchdown do we need before we move to ramsey? Ramsey may have thrown the three picks in the Giants game but none of them turned into points for the other team...The future is now.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Heres the agrument I have for not getting it done on the ground. We have no blocking, plain and simple. When theres no blocking on the ground, there are no holes and no yardage. Now while some things are still the fault of Portis/Playcalling, I just couldnt see a play where I could be like... WOW Portis sure messed up on that play.
On the other hand, I just found myself getting pissed at Brunell about 30 times tonight. Now while I'm sure half of those werent his fault, he did f**k up alot. Even though the protection sucked, he still had the chances to plant his feet and get rid of the football... but he didnt. I saw so many opprotunities for Brunell, and just didnt see the same for Portis.[/QUOTE]

My thing is why aren't the receivers getting open in four seconds? I know the offensive line is play hurt but Brunell is having to wait a long time to get rid of the ball. It just doesn't make since that every receiver seems to be double covered on almost every completion. Did you notice that?

[QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan]How many more fumbles from brunell that lead to a touchdown do we need before we move to ramsey? Ramsey may have thrown the three picks in the Giants game but none of them turned into points for the other team...The future is now.[/QUOTE]

They didn't turn into TD's for the REdskins so what's your point? We Lost.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]They didn't turn into TD's for the REdskins so what's your point? We Lost.[/QUOTE]


What do you mean what's my point, of course the interceptions didn't turn into TD's...they can't they're interceptions. But Ramsey in the offense has given up no points personally...Brunell has given up 21 points so far. That's my point.