ESPN: Riggins calling out Zorn; and now Snyder
 

I was just watching ESPN and heard a upcoming story about Riggins and a Redskins legend. Either Sam or Sonny calling our Zorn. This is old news to us here. But I am interested to see what the story on ESPN says. If anyone sees this please post comments. I am waiting for the story to come up.

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John Riggins is one of my favorite all time Redskins. He also has some strange opinions, so I could care about what he thinks about JZ.

Sonny, I'll listen to a little more.

However it's been 2 games let's let JZ do his thing. Either he does or doesn't. I hope he does and i think he can. We'll see though. Haven't seen what espn is doing, but it's probably yesterdays news.

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[quote=redsk1;594273]John Riggins is one of my favorite all time Redskins. He also has some strange opinions, so I could care about what he thinks about JZ.

Sonny, I'll listen to a little more.

However it's been 2 games let's let JZ do his thing. Either he does or doesn't. I hope he does and i think he can. We'll see though. [B]Haven't seen what espn is doing, but it's probably yesterdays news[/B].[/quote]

I saw the clip. It's basically audio of Sonny and Zorn's testy little exchange the other day set against the backdrop of the failed Portis halfback pass played over and over again. Then Schlereth basically added nothing by just saying that we've struggled to score and Sonny is a legend in DC. That was it.

Pretty weak clip honestly.

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[quote=GMScud;594278]I saw the clip. It's basically audio of Sonny and Zorn's testy little exchange the other day set against the backdrop of the failed Portis halfback pass played over and over again. Then Schlereth basically added nothing by just saying that we've struggled to score and Sonny is a legend in DC. That was it.

Pretty weak clip honestly.[/quote]

I agree it was pretty weak!! I expected much more. But like I said this was old news to us.

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I don't know if Sonny is in any position to criticize Zorn. I listen to about half of the games on the radio and have long since reached the conclusion that Sonny has absolutely no idea what is going on, ever. He's only slightly more with it than Sam. Last week, after Carter's fumble recovery, Sammy kept arguing that the roughing the passing penalty was not going to overturn the fumble recovery. And later, when the Skins were winding down the clock down before calling a time out, both Sonny and Sam were baffled by why they were letting the clock run down, assuming that the players didn't realize what was going on. And this stuff happens all the time!

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Tony Dorsett's comments on Romo are much mroe interesting and true lol

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Coach Z is soft as medicated cotton. and the team is taken on that butter soft swagger! The team needs to get a tougher attitude, hopefully a win this week will boost their character!

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WEAK PIECE .... and Sonny was right .. if you don't like Sonny and Sam .. who the hell are you ?? I've grown up listening to them since I 81' in the crib ... Hail to Skins' ..

Z Man (as cooley calls him) Let's get this thing going baby ... !!! TD'S !!!!!!!!!!

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Just finished watching Redskins Legacy. While I love this game and I love this team there will never be another group of players as endearing as those old guys like Monk, Riggo, Huff, C. Taylor, The Hogs, Green etc.. Those days are over not only in DC but in every NFL city and sports in general.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;594497]Just finished watching Redskins Legacy. While I love this game and I love this team there will never be another group of players as endearing as those old guys like Monk, Riggo, Huff, C. Taylor, The Hogs, Green etc.. Those days are over not only in DC but in every NFL city and sports in general.[/quote]


Totally agree with you. The NFL is not the same. Back in the day they worked well together as a team and thats why they kicked the ass that they did. Too many glory hounds and prima donnas out there now. Regardless, I still love the 'Skins.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;594497]Just finished watching Redskins Legacy. While I love this game and I love this team there will never be another group of players as endearing as those old guys like Monk, Riggo, Huff, C. Taylor, The Hogs, Green etc.. Those days are over not only in DC but in every NFL city and sports in general.[/quote]

Agreed. And how fortunate we were to have been able to experience all of this. Huff and Taylor were a little before my time, but I was right on time for the Super Bowl years.

If I had to add to Redskin Legacy, it would be this 3-set DVD. Theismann talks about XVII, Williams about XXII and Rypien XXVI. Gibbs, Clark, Riggo, Grimm, etc. join in too.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/NFL-Americas-Game-Washington-Redskins/dp/B000RW3Z1C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1253756940&sr=1-4]Amazon.com: NFL: America's Game: Washington Redskins: Artist Not Provided: Movies & TV[/ame]

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I saw the Sonny piece, and I think his love for the Skins and it's history got the better of him. He's frustrated to. I mean the dude has been calling the games for 30 years.
Sooooo, it's not a well kept secret that some of JZ's play calling is......suspect?
It may well get his attention if some of these legends start pointing this fact out.....

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I dont know what Sonny is really achieving by all that. He couldve asked Zorn to put himself in Campbells shoes. Would he seriously be cool with a HB pass being called?

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So did any of these legends called out Spurrier when he was f'ing things up? I have tried to erase that period, don't know if anyone knows any better.

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[quote=Hog1;594600]I saw the Sonny piece, and I think his love for the Skins and it's history got the better of him. He's frustrated to. I mean the dude has been calling the games for 30 years.
Sooooo, it's not a well kept secret that some of JZ's play calling is......suspect?
It may well get his attention if some of these legends start pointing this fact out.....[/quote]

Sonny deserves the respect of Zorn and any coach or player, especially unproven ones. I don't care what Sonny says his service to our organization has been one of long and endearing years and earns him the right to speak out, especially when he makes sense. Sonny has to be pissed about this once proud organization falling and if he needs to speak up to express concerns on the behalf of the fans and community than he is gifted to be in the position that someone might listen to him. Now, let's blow out the Lions and Zorn can shut everyone up!!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;594271]I was just watching ESPN and heard a upcoming story about Riggins and a Redskins legend. Either Sam or Sonny calling our Zorn. This is old news to us here. But I am interested to see what the story on ESPN says. If anyone sees this please post comments. I am waiting for the story to come up.[/quote]

Riggins IS a Redskins legend.

ESPN is too predictable when it comes to the Skins. They're all picking the Lions to win. Yawn.

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[quote=Ruhskins;594623]So did any of these legends called out Spurrier when he was f'ing things up? I have tried to erase that period, don't know if anyone knows any better.[/quote]
Sorry, I have no memory of that time period........allegedly

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So much for controversy...

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/sonny-i-certainly-dont-have-a.html]Redskins Insider - Sonny: 'I Certainly Don't Have a Problem' With Zorn[/url]

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Opinions vary - but SJ is a Redskins legend and a better QB than Coach Zorn ever was. An old school Hall of Fame QB. He has been integral with the Redskins organization for decades. I tend to give him his due respect and listen when he speaks on all matters Redskins. A new coach would be wise to enlist his sage council instead of going for a smart-a** retort.

Just my two cents -

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This whole thing has been seriously overblown, but what else is new?

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[quote=Buster;594842]Riggins IS a Redskins legend.

[B]ESPN is too predictable when it comes to the Skins. They're all picking the Lions to win.[/B] Yawn.[/quote]

Really?

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks]NFL Picks and Predictions for Week 3 - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;595195]Really?

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks"]NFL Picks and Predictions for Week 3 - National Football League - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

Looks like a majority for the Skins to me, seriously, where do people come up with this stuff?

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Riggins calls out once again.. He bleeds burgundy and gold..

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/riggins-keeps-the-pressure-on.html]Redskins Insider - Riggins keeps the pressure on[/url]

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Scott Van Pelt has been my favorite person to listen too regarding critism towards the Redskins. Not only is he a smart guy, but he's also a fan of the team.

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More from Riggins...

Riggins tells Cris Collinsworth that Snyder's heart is dark.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/john_riggins_says_daniel_snyde.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Riggins says Snyder is 'a bad guy'[/url]

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How can you even argue at this point?

We're seriously making excuses like "HE WANTS TO WIN!!!" and "THEY TRY!!!" and what I've been seeing even on this board lately "YEAH WELL HE MIGHT NOT BE GOOD BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS OTHER GUY WE BROUGHT IN THE OTHER YEAR, HE'S WORSE, SO THIS GUY WE HAVE NOW ISN'T SO BAD!!"

not good enough

only thing that matters at the end is the W-L columns

very sad year for the franchise

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His heart is dark?

Riggo takes it a little overboard as usual

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I think Riggins is basically applying for a job -- the more outspoken he is, he figures somebody will offer him a spot on a show somewhere. More power to him.

Regardless, the heat needs to cranked up on this joke of a front office.

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Isn't the heat cranked up as it is?

At this point it's starting to sound like a broken record.

Yeah I know until we see some wins this is going to continue, I'm just growing numb to all the hoopla.

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[quote=Mattyk72;620626]His heart is dark?

Riggo takes it a little overboard as usual[/quote]
That was my exact reaction. Please Riggo, you have an occasional valid point but dial it down a little big fella. The whole 'this is a bad guy' thing was just over the top.

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[quote]And I think any time an older player criticizes or says anything about his former team, unless he's throwing Bon Mots at them, that all of a sudden you get a, 'What's he griping at?' type of thing. Maybe that's the case. [I]But truthfully, I do have an ax to grind and I just realized I have been a little bit disingenuous[/I].[/quote]

Anyone know what Riggo is talking about here exactly?

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[quote=Mattyk72;620638]Anyone know what Riggo is talking about here exactly?[/quote]

I don't know, but probably how his radio show ended.

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Possibly the fact that he got fired? Fits in with his claim that Snyder's all about money.

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[quote=Mattyk72;620638]Anyone know what Riggo is talking about here exactly?[/quote]

At the end of the interview he said this: "The ax to grind is that people need to know if you are going to go to these games and support this team, that money goes in this person's pocket. And you know what? Bad guys shouldn't be enriched."

Perhaps the "disingenuous" part is that [I]he feels[/I] he kept his mouth shut too long.

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I don't get the title...isn't Riggins a Redskins legend also?

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Matty:

Indeed some wins will quiet some of the criticism and the venom directed toward the FO and the owner. However, some evidence of a change in the way they do business would also quiet some of that criticism even before those wins show up on the board.


A lot of the frustration that fans are voicing this season deals with the fact that the FO is treating the fans as if fans have not been watching how the team has done its businessfor the last decade. Cut the Four Tops here:


[B][INDENT]It's the same old song ...[/INDENT][/B]


Riggins admits he has an ax to grind in this matter. Maybe he is trying to be the "voice of the fan" (noble indeed) or maybe he is still angry that Danny Boy axed Riggo's radio gig here in DC (not so noble indeed). Whatever his motive(s), I doubt that John Riggins is the only person with ties to the Redskins' organization who thinks that Danny Boy is a "less that totally wonderful human being".


Give Bobby Mitchell some truth serum and listen to what he might have to say on this matter...

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Riggo tends to use words all the time that he probably doesn't even know what they mean. So who knows if he had any idea what he was saying. But if he did, I think he was referring to, and he's said in the past, he was a big supporter of Snyder early on always coming to his defense. But not no more.

Is Snyder some sort of teddy bear? Not from most accounts I've heard. Is he Pol Pot? Absolutely not, he's a decent man responsible for a billion dollar company. It can't all be unicorns and rainbows, tough decisions have to be made sometimes. Riggins was out of line making accusations of Snyder being unethical and having a dark heart. Good for Collinsworth to call him out on it and say there's a difference between being a bad person and a bad football person.

As for the fans going to the games and the money going into Snyder's pockets, well there are hundreds of stadium employees (ushers, event security, concession stand workers, etc) that get paid to based on people going to the game.

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I had a dream last night that Snyder was going to jail for doing illegal business work. He apologized to all the fans and announced he was going to sell the team.

It was one of the best dreams I've ever had. If only dreams could come true.

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Riggo does look like a bitter ex employee. No question about it. But this isn't something new. I've heard numerous stories about Snyder being an asshole. I'm sure some aren't true but I know some are. We've already seen the way he's treated some of the coaches here. He's probably miserable to work for. But he has done some nice things for charity, including starting one for ST's daughter which I belive he donated $500,000. I would also say that our beloved former owner Jack Kent Cooke had some bad things said about him too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;620712]Riggo tends to use words all the time that he probably doesn't even know what they mean. So who knows if he had any idea what he was saying. But if he did, I think he was referring to, and he's said in the past, he was a big supporter of Snyder early on always coming to his defense. But not no more.

Is Snyder some sort of teddy bear? Not from most accounts I've heard. Is he Pol Pot? Absolutely not, he's a decent man responsible for a billion dollar company. It can't all be unicorns and rainbows, tough decisions have to be made sometimes. [B]Riggins was out of line making accusations of Snyder being unethical and having a dark heart. Good for Collinsworth to call him out on it and say there's a difference between being a bad person and a bad football person.[/B]

As for the fans going to the games and the money going into Snyder's pockets, well there are hundreds of stadium employees (ushers, event security, concession stand workers, etc) that get paid to based on people going to the game.[/quote]


Agreed. When I read the transcript, I couldn't help but feel Riggo is a bit disconnected from what being a "dark hearted person" truly means. Someone fires your ass, doesn't make them a bad person. Seems kind of shallow to me.