Longer Season.. what does it offer other than more revenue?
 

A lot of players are already breaking down at the end of the season. I know that you can say that there will be less pre-season games, but doesn't that mean that your starters will play more in them, so that you can get them ready for the season? I don't buy the injury argument, they happen in the regular season too.

On top of that, more starters going in pre-season = less evaluation of your younger and backup talent. I just don't see what good this can do for the players/teams.

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Nothing. It is all about the money. You will get more guys banged up or seriously injured though, but what do the owners care. Doesn't matter anyway, the pro sports leagues are going to price themsleves out of the market.

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Real football in August?

This is not good for the players, obviously, but any fan who says they wouldn't trade two preseason games for two more regular season games is crazy.

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It means I get to pay for two games that mean something rather than two worthless games.

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[quote=GTripp0012;539949]Real football in August?

This is not good for the players, obviously, but any fan who says they wouldn't trade two preseason games for two more regular season games is crazy.[/quote]
If I had season tickets I'd probably agree.. but this means player salaries will be argued up most likely and probably tickets as well.

I also think that roster sizes should be bumped up if so. I mean you don't want to sign a FA to come in at week 13 without much knowledge of your system if you've lost a guy or two at a position. Can anyone see Portis going 18 weeks? I guess the people that want Betts to get more carries would like that, but I'd definitely want to have 4 backs throughout the year, at least ONE extra lineman on each side, and a linebacker or two

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All about increasing revenue. And with increased revenue, maybe the players won't be as upset when the owners ask the current CBA structure which has 60% of revenue going to the players be revised...so money and the CBA negotiations are the major driving forces (as well as, on a much smaller scale, globalization)

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[quote=tryfuhl;539953]If I had season tickets I'd probably agree.. but this means player salaries will be argued up most likely and probably tickets as well.

I also think that roster sizes should be bumped up if so. I mean you don't want to sign a FA to come in at week 13 without much knowledge of your system if you've lost a guy or two at a position. Can anyone see Portis going 18 weeks? I guess the people that want Betts to get more carries would like that, but I'd definitely want to have 4 backs throughout the year, at least ONE extra lineman on each side, and a linebacker or two[/quote]As long as revenues go up, thats going to drive up the player salaries anyway, so we might as well justify it while we're at it.

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What's going to be interesting about expanding the regular season is the way that player's salaries is structured. From what I've heard the rub, for a long time, has been that players want a 17th and 18th game check, assuming they play 18 games. Players do not get paid for the preseason, they get 16 game checks per year, so the thinking has always been that the players' union will argue for 2 more game checks equal to the 16 they get now.

Solomon Wilcotts (I believe) has said all along that the players will ask for a salary increase. They won't just say, "The 9 mil I made last year for 16 games...go ahead and divide that by 18 games this year." I agree with him, I don't think that will happen, I think players will want 18 game checks of equal value to the 16 they're all getting right now.

From a season ticket holder's standpoint (I'm not one) I'd love it. They have to pay full price for the tickets anyway, (I'm pretty sure) might as well make them count.

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I wonder if with a longer season they would increase the size of the rosters. Longer season means players can get banged up as it's been discussed. I wouldn't mind a longer regular season. Now, if they can move the Superbowl to a Saturday night, that'd be great!

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Well the record books will get rewritten completely.

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Could this possibly lead to slightly larger rosters? I could definitely see that. At the end of a 16 game season these players are beat up -- can you imagine two more weeks?

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[quote=SmootSmack;539957]All about increasing revenue. And with increased revenue, maybe the players won't be as upset when the owners ask the current CBA structure which has 60% of revenue going to the players be revised...so money and the CBA negotiations are the major driving forces (as well as, on a much smaller scale, globalization)[/quote]

I guess adding games would be easier to slide into playing more games overseas yeah. Although I'm way against that. It's difficult enough to adjust for a Thursday or Monday night game, imagine traveling across several more time zones and whatnot. NFL Europe couldn't even stay afloat, so these talks of in the future adding international teams is insane. I'd say that there are some markets in America that deserve a team more than anywhere in Mexico, Canada, or Europe.

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Yeah I don't get the appeal of overseas games. Keep it in our hemisphere w/ games in Canada and maybe South America.

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I think it makes more sense to me to expand the playoffs. I would imagine those games generate proportionally more oney the in-season games. Maybe go to 17 and expanded playoffs. Then you're only adding one game for everyone and ghe other games are playoff games involving a lot less players.

One also has to understand that this could very well be CBA positioning(most likely). IN collective bargaining you have to give to get. The more the owners lay on the table the more they have to pull back when the time comes. I'd bet we don't see extra games in whatever reincarnation the next CBA is.

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[quote=tryfuhl;539975]I guess adding games would be easier to slide into playing more games overseas yeah. Although I'm way against that. It's difficult enough to adjust for a Thursday or Monday night game, imagine traveling across several more time zones and whatnot. NFL Europe couldn't even stay afloat, so these talks of in the future adding international teams is insane. I'd say that there are some markets in America that deserve a team more than anywhere in Mexico, Canada, or Europe.[/quote]

Hold on now, the NFL folded on Europe not the other way around. Europeans have plenty of interest in the sport. Combine that with the fact that there are also U.S servicmembers who went to those games and it is obvious that they had strong fan base.
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2920738"][COLOR=#810081]NFL folds Europe league, to focus on regular-season games abroad - NFL - ESPN[/COLOR][/URL]

I understand that there are concerns about the time zones but it is really not an issue. Here is why, currently the time zone difference between Eastern Time and Pacific Time is 3 hours. It takes roughly 6 hours to travel from one side of the U.S. to the other.

The time difference in Europe is between 5 and 6 hours and the flight takes 9 hours from the East coast. and 10 from the west coast (when they are nonstop). Now in case you are wondering, it would take the KC Chiefs roughly 12 hours.

My point is this if you are already spending 6 hours on a plane, then what is another 3-6 hours? You would probably be asleep for the majority anyway. Secondly, it would only be once a year that you have to make a trip like this. Finally, the players do not have to adjust to the time difference because they still play the games according to the standard NFL game times.

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It means I get to play a couple extra games on Madden.

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[quote=Angry;539992]Hold on now, the NFL folded on Europe not the other way around. Europeans have plenty of interest in the sport. Combine that with the fact that there are also U.S servicmembers who went to those games and it is obvious that they had strong fan base.
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2920738"][COLOR=#810081]NFL folds Europe league, to focus on regular-season games abroad - NFL - ESPN[/COLOR][/URL]

I understand that there are concerns about the time zones but it is really not an issue. Here is why, currently the time zone difference between Eastern Time and Pacific Time is 3 hours. It takes roughly 6 hours to travel from one side of the U.S. to the other.

The time difference in Europe is between 5 and 6 hours and the flight takes 9 hours from the East coast. and 10 from the west coast (when they are nonstop). Now in case you are wondering, it would take the KC Chiefs roughly 12 hours.

My point is this if you are already spending 6 hours on a plane, then what is another 3-6 hours? You would probably be asleep for the majority anyway. Secondly, it would only be once a year that you have to make a trip like this. Finally, the players do not have to adjust to the time difference because they still play the games according to the standard NFL game times.

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I think another 3-6 hours for guys 6'6" and 300 LBs is actually not insignificant.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;539946]Nothing. It is all about the money. You will get more guys banged up or seriously injured though, but what do the owners care. Doesn't matter anyway, the pro sports leagues are going to price themsleves out of the market.[/quote]

But aren't tickets to the preseason games priced the same as regular season games?

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[quote=derekc4;539971]Well the record books will get rewritten completely.[/quote]
Nice first post, hadn't even been brought up yet.

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[quote=The Goat;539976]Yeah I don't get the appeal of overseas games. Keep it in our hemisphere w/ games in Canada and maybe South America.[/quote]

Maybe Mexico.. I dunno about South America

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[quote=FRPLG;540013]I think another 3-6 hours for guys 6'6" and 300 LBs is actually not insignificant.[/quote]


Don't those guys ride in First or business class. I do not know I am just asking. I figured that they did or do.

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[quote=Buster;540014]But aren't tickets to the preseason games priced the same as regular season games?[/quote]

Yeah but they are also attended at best 50%. I'd guess The take of a regular season game is on the order of 3X that of even an interesting preseason game. And that probably means millions for a team like the Skins/Cowboys/Pats.

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Now, I could see them adding two games and adding an additional bye week, thus extending the season that much longer. We could get nearly an extra month of NFL in; I could deal with that.

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it offers more injuries, more bad games at the end of a season for all the teams that are eliminated, and less importance of each individual game.

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I would think any games in august would have to be night games to avoid the heat...so you'd probably see Thursday night football for a couple weeks...
The problem is...they want revenue...and the best way to do that is with a thursday sun, monday night and 2 sunday day games.
I just wouldn't want to get screwed with 100 degree games or having a Monday night game followed by a Thurs night game.

I could see 7 games sat night, 8 games sun night and 1 monday night...but thats only 3 game slots vs the normal 4 (3 sun, 1 mon) unless they can schedule a sunday day game up north or in domes or something.

18 weeks would be grueling on RB's..
typically star RB's dont really play much in preseason, nor do star WR's QB's.
More depth would certainly be needed there.

The position that would be hurt the most is QB.
Developing a rookie QB requires a ton of reps and with 4 qbs on the roster, they have to share time...if they do this I could see a lot more old QB's on rosters for a long time...and if they are on the roster, rookies will never get in during the regular season unless there are 2 injuries (rare). I really don't think this will hurt the linemen...they play a lot in preseason.
Special teams will suck though...especially the first 2 games...I see a ton of records being broken on returns because those teams will be filled with rookies that have never played teams...and those teams change a ton year by year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;540061]it offers more injuries, more bad games at the end of a season for all the teams that are eliminated, and less importance of each individual game.[/quote]

I agree.
This is a terrible idea & we may be at a critical junction for the nfl if this happens. IMO it would mark the beginning of the downturn of the league as the most popular. It's happened to all pro sports before, they can't stay on top forever.

This goes against the best advantage the nfl has over other pro sports; virtually all of its games matter. Not only that, division titles matter. With 18 games, health w/matter. I see more games w/stars sitting out on the horizon.

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[quote=derekc4;539971]Well the record books will get rewritten completely.[/quote]

That was my first thought. Adding games will mess with the record books.

I like having only 16 games. Each game means something. There are no unimportant games on the schedule.

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More football......I F'ING LOVE IT...
Everyone stop with this injury bullshit. Its just one or two (at most) games more. It's not like were adding a dozen more games. As for the record books....WHO GIVES A F*@K
I like it. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't want more of what they love. Cut the pre-season in half and get on with the season.

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i think it would help separate the good/bad/ugly

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It's going to happen. The league owners just incorporated several safety rule changes in their meetings, and they are pushing for more generated revenues (tickets, media contracts, etc. ) to help cover player's increasing salaries. Their concerns are business ended, and they view the players as conpensated well enough to justify longer seasons. If the players are to get paid then they have to produce.

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[quote=SkinzzFan;540099]That was my first thought. Adding games will mess with the record books.

I like having only 16 games. Each game means something. [B]There are no unimportant games on the schedule.[/B][/quote]

Well unless the NFL is moving to have 80+ or 160 games like you see in Basketball or Baseball, I don't think adding 2 games will make any game unimportant.

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[quote=tryfuhl;540017]Maybe Mexico.. I dunno about South America[/quote]

Why go overseas when we could put teams in LA, Vegas, and Portland?

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[quote=WaldSkins;540223]Why go overseas when we could put teams in LA, Vegas, and Portland?[/quote]

You're kidding right?
You are assuming folks in the West are like yourself.
People in the West do not foam at the mouth for football like they do where you live.
They tried LA several times...yeah, you can do it again....Las Vegas?
That 115 degrees man!
Portland is possible I guess.

Their real push is to get on international television...getting on telemundo or something would be huge...I can see them going into Canada or Mexico City or something...the problem with Mexico is the language barrier...how do you hold press conferences in a different language?...what free agent wants to live in another country?...I dont know.
The most I see them ever doing is having each team play a single game abroad yearly...I really dont see any NFL teams outside of the US...unless its in Canada and thats a big "if"

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[quote=skinsnut;540224]You're kidding right?
You are assuming folks in the West are like yourself.
People in the West do not foam at the mouth for football like they do where you live.
They tried LA several times...yeah, you can do it again....[B]Las Vegas?
That 115 degrees man![/B]
Portland is possible I guess.

Their real push is to get on international television...getting on telemundo or something would be huge...I can see them going into Canada or Mexico City or something...the problem with Mexico is the language barrier...how do you hold press conferences in a different language?...what free agent wants to live in another country?...I dont know.
The most I see them ever doing is having each team play a single game abroad yearly...I really dont see any NFL teams outside of the US...unless its in Canada and thats a big "if"[/quote]

It's called a dome.

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[quote=Angry;540024]Don't those guys ride in First or business class. I do not know I am just asking. I figured that they did or do.[/quote]

When you deal with different travel or times, it's difficult to adjust. The pros say that the Monday Night games throw them off a bit. Imagine if you're used to playing at 1 and then play at 8.. or MNF.

We always performed poorly in our primetime games. To the guy that said if people are already on a plane for 3 hours.. what's another 3 to 6? Are you serious? Sitting still for 3 hours, 6 hours, 9 hours.. you get stiff, you're not loose, etc.. I mean I'd imagine they'd head over a few days in advance and run their last practice or two overseas depending where it's at.. but that's a lot of downtime beforehand.

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[quote=Hogroll;540058]Now, I could see them adding two games and adding an additional bye week, thus extending the season that much longer. We could get nearly an extra month of NFL in; I could deal with that.[/quote]
not a bad idea.. as much as I hate bye week we definitely could've used an extra one even last year haha

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[quote=SkinzzFan;540099]That was my first thought. Adding games will mess with the record books.

I like having only 16 games. Each game means something. There are no unimportant games on the schedule.[/quote]
Still true, every 20-30 years though it seems like the season has been extended though. Was about 30 years ago that we jumped it from 14 to 16, does seem like we hit a sweet spot.

Anybody remember the 78 season and how thoughts were then about adding to the regular season? Or even the bye week inclusion in.. what was it 90? I remember that happening but not what popular opinion was.

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[quote=WaldSkins;540223]Why go overseas when we could put teams in LA, Vegas, and Portland?[/quote]
Exactly my argument earlier.. I think that we have more deserving American markets.. but what I was saying in that reply was the chance of if we played a game in another country.. someone mentioned maybe South America

as far as LA, I know that they want that market, but how many times can you try that experiment? Vegas and Portland would probably have to be in domes due to weather. Vegas seems like it would be more of a dome city as it is anyways