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[url=http://cle.scout.com/2/846715.html]Scout.com: Browns Release RT[/url]

I hear we have needs at tackle.

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[quote=GTripp0012;536441][url=http://cle.scout.com/2/846715.html]Scout.com: Browns Release RT[/url]

I hear we have needs at tackle.[/quote]

Where the hell did you hear that ? Wide receivers is our area of need.

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lol hmmmm, eh, what the hell, lets give it a shot!!! >.>
Was any good at Cleveland?

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He's from Salisbury Md, never started less than 15 games, and has 9 solo tackles in 8 years, How does an OT get that many????

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3746]Kevin Shaffer Stats, News, Photos - Cleveland Browns - ESPN[/url]

edit: he was born in Salisbury but went to high school in Lancaster, Pa.

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We should sign him to a 3 yr deal and then draft Alex Mack.

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Sounds like the perfect stopgap. Draft Maualuga in the first, draft a big RT in the third and plug in Schaffer at RT for the time being.

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2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
[B]Grade:[/B] 66 | [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/scouts/news/story?id=2996209"]Key[/URL]
[B]Alert:[/B] None
[B]
Comment: [/B]Shaffer was signed two years ago to be Cleveland's starting left tackle. That experiment failed and after Joe Thomas was drafted, Shaffer moved to the right side, which clearly fits him much better. Shaffer is very strong and has the size and skill set needed to best play on the right side. On the left side, his athletic ability was exposed, but he has performed admirably on the right side because he doesn't have to consistently face elite speed-rushers. Shaffer also greatly benefited from the emergence of Thomas at left tackle because the Browns are able to give him help, if he is overmanned. He isn't very nimble or fluid, but does work hard. His pad level is a problem and he lacks the ability to consistently play the game low. He is a powerful man and pushes defensive linemen backwards as a power blocker. He is a thumper who plays to the whistle and is bright enough to get the most out of his physical abilities. There isn't much upside here, but Shaffer is certainly good enough to win with, especially with an elite talent like Thomas on the other side.

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His wikipedia bio looks like a winner. I would like to see him signed.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Shaffer]Kevin Shaffer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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Shaffer can also provide a body at LT should Samuels get hurt.

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I know he would have gotten about 6 Million if he had stayed with the Browns, I wonder what his payday will be now. Seems like a LOT of teams are vying for an OT. Maybe this can help even if we don't get him, if a team above us takes him instead of drafting an OT.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;536453]I know he would have gotten about 6 Million if he had stayed with the Browns, I wonder what his payday will be now. Seems like a LOT of teams are vying for an OT. Maybe this can help even if we don't get him, if a team above us takes him instead of drafting an OT.[/quote]3/12 seems to be the going market rate for a starting caliber left tackle at this age.

That's pretty much what I would offer him as well.

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He may be an upgrade over Jansen but I'd rather see what we have in Heyer and draft an OT in the 3rd than pay for a 29 year old tackle that already washed out at LT.

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Schneed's Salary Cap projection puts the OL hit at 3.5, so we would have to work something out with him to get the deal done. Course we could release Rabach and gain 2.3 but that would mean we HAVE to do something for the Center position.

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[quote=Paintrain;536455]He may be an upgrade over Jansen but I'd rather see what we have in Heyer and draft an OT in the 3rd than pay for a 29 year old tackle that already washed out at LT.[/quote]

Well, maybe, but maybe he could learn from Bugel. As was mentioned in another thread, Samuels got quite the lift when Bugel trained him. Not to mention, this guy has started 15 or 16 games for the past 6 seasons, not many rookies from the 3rd round will do that this season.

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The only question I have is how much do you guy's think it would cost to sign him?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;536457]Well, maybe, but maybe he could learn from Bugel. As was mentioned in another thread, Samuels got quite the lift when Bugel trained him. Not to mention, this guy has started 15 or 16 games for the past 6 seasons, not many rookies from the 3rd round will do that this season.[/quote]

Possibly.. I'm not advocating starting a 3rd rounder at OT, rather seeing what we have in Heyer over 16 games and drafting the 3rd rounder because we need to develop young OL.

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[quote=Paintrain;536460]Possibly.. I'm not advocating starting a 3rd rounder at OT, rather seeing what we have in Heyer over 16 games and drafting the 3rd rounder because we need to develop young OL.[/quote]

Sorry, misunderstood. I don't know much about this guy, but I think Cleveland's line was decent and this is just the Browns revamping, might give us a lucky break and let us use the draft picks elsewhere. I think Heyer would have to step up big from last year to be considered successful.

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I'll have to wait and see. I do think think the best way to fill the hole with or without Heyer at RT is in FA. If we sign this guy we can still sign O line men and have time to get them up to speed without having a serious decline in production like last year.

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no...draft a T... go young

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[quote=Nflnick11;536470]no...draft a T... go young[/quote]

I would think at 29, we could get his best years right now. I understand going young, but if this guy, or someone like him gives us a good insurance policy if our OL draft pick bombs

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;536474]I would think at 29, we could get his best years right now. I understand going young, but if this guy, or someone like him gives us a good insurance policy if our OL draft pick bombs[/quote]

It would also save us from the gamble of selecting Smith with the 13th overall.

If we address OT then we can open up our options with our first pick. I don't want everyone to have us pegged at RT with our first pick.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;536444]He's from Salisbury Md, never started less than 15 games, and has 9 solo tackles in 8 years, How does an OT get that many????

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3746"]Kevin Shaffer Stats, News, Photos - Cleveland Browns - ESPN[/URL]

edit: he was born in Salisbury but went to high school in Lancaster, Pa.[/quote]
from up here in my neck of the woods. went to Conestoga Valley High School, in the heart of Amish country. i say he is worth a look. and how did you find that out? i see your original post was edited

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[quote=dmek25;536489]from up here in my neck of the woods. went to Conestoga Valley High School, in the heart of Amish country. i say he is worth a look. and how did you find that out? i see your original post was edited[/quote]

the wikipedia article had it listed, also read an interview he grew up in Philly territory, said he enjoyed going back and playing against them in a cleveland article, maybe he would enjoy going back twice a year !!! :)

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Cleveland had the worst offense in the NFL and they're letting this guy go. I think that pretty much tells all I need to know.

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I say sign him. We have too many needs at LB, DE and T to hope we can fill those all with less than a full allotment of draft picks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;536494]Cleveland had the worst offense in the NFL and they're letting this guy go. I think that pretty much tells all I need to know.[/quote]

Not really, look at all the drops their receivers had, and their qb rotations, I actually think their line held up very well.

Let me put it like this, we had the 28th or so scoring offense, would you tell me that you wouldn't take Cooley if we cut him due to salary cap reasons, or if Cooley is too much of a standout, what about Betts, or Samuels?

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[quote=skinsfan69;536494]Cleveland had the worst offense in the NFL and they're letting this guy go. I think that pretty much tells all I need to know.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. So what if this guy started on a team thats been crappy the entire time he was there (and pretty much forever before then)? Nothing about this guy makes me feel he would automatically be an upgrade over what we have.

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Surprised but not surprised... this just confirms that FOs around the league plan on walking away from the draft w/ franchise talent at OT. J Smith, Monroe and Oher all go in the top 10 now, mark it. What surprises me is the Browns did this so early... maybe they like the guy quite a bit and wanted to give him the best shot of signing a good contract elsewhere because after the draft he's likely to be competing w/ the likes of Levi Jones, etc.

... this has big draft implications for us IMO. A Smith will be the only top talent OT available at 13. I don't want the risk for such a high pick. Also I think it's looking less likely we get good value trading back, in which case we really give up on some top talent at another position. Regardless of whether we sign Shaffer I think we need to get an OT, preferably the best who comes available, in FA. That leaves us the ability to basically draft the BPA at 13 if we can't get shit trading down... YEAH FOR REY!!!

... btw Vinny and the FO are getting smart IMO!!! We didn't go after Willis that hard and just sat on Barnes and now we're seeing better talent come available.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;536498]I was thinking the same thing. So what if this guy started on a team thats been crappy the entire time he was there (and pretty much forever before then)? Nothing about this guy makes me feel he would automatically be an upgrade over what we have.[/quote]

Wow I am really defending a guy I don't know that much about, but I did read the different sports sites analysis', looked at Cleveland's info, and stayed at a day's inn. This guy DEFINITELY could start for us, since his 3rd year he has been a constant starting RT, Jansen at 29 was a beast- this guy looks like he should be in the prime of his career, and with Buges and crew he would solidify our Right side and give us an opportunity to take who we want in the draft, instead of being forced into a corner-rather a tackle ;)

Now it may not work money wise, he would be at the top of our range, and he may have a fatal flaw that i don't see, but this seems like a solid move that we could make and come away with a solid offensive starting lineup of

Samuels
Dockery
Rabach
Thomas
Shaffer

and better depth than last year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;536494]Cleveland had the worst offense in the NFL and they're letting this guy go. I think that pretty much tells all I need to know.[/quote]Well, they like Ryan Tucker who has been out two years with a staph injury. Time will tell if this is the right move.

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Lets not kid ourselves, our current RT's are either washed up (Jansen) or unproven (Heyer). Shaffer can give us 2-3 good productive yrs, and then we can draft a younger RT. If we sign him, that's 1 less need we have to worry about going into the draft.

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I would certainly take a look at KS if I where the Skins quickly, as I don't think he will be on the market long.

IMO he could be a huge upgrade over what we have now at RT, and this is going to be one if not the most important holes left to fill. Still relatively young at 29, good size, doesn't miss games, or have injury problems. And is a solid performer.

[url=http://cle.scout.com/2/846715.html]Scout.com: Browns Release RT[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;536441][URL="http://cle.scout.com/2/846715.html"]Scout.com: Browns Release RT[/URL]

I hear we have needs at tackle.[/quote]

Can he play strongside linebacker or defensive end too?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;536456]Schneed's Salary Cap projection puts the OL hit at 3.5, so we would have to work something out with him to get the deal done. Course we could release Rabach and gain 2.3 but that would mean we HAVE to do something for the Center position.[/quote]

Like draft Alex Mack?
Samuels
Dockery
Mack
Thomas
Shaffer
Oh yeah.
I could live with that. And JC would probably live a lot longer with that. :)

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[quote=53Fan;536519]Like draft Alex Mack?
Samuels
Dockery
Mack
Thomas
Shaffer
Oh yeah.
I could live with that. And JC would probably live a lot longer with that. :)[/quote]

That sounds pretty good; however I'm pretty sure if we sign Shaffer, we will go on defensive side and draft LB or DE..

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[quote=GridIron26;536520]That sounds pretty good; however I'm pretty sure if we sign Shaffer, we will go on defensive side and draft LB or DE..[/quote]

Maybe. But you've got to admit that would be a hell of a line.

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[quote=53Fan;536522]Maybe. But you've got to admit that would be a hell of a line.[/quote]

Ditto... it's also tempting because we could let Rabach go and save a pile of cash.

... if we sign a legit RT in FA, which I'm thinking the FO will, then trading back to get Mack and a LB is best case scenario. But I still doubt this works. I think we're stuck at 13.

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I think the Browns will try to bring him back

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[quote=SmootSmack;536527]I think the Browns will try to bring him back[/quote]

I think they would like to. But I wonder if given a choice who he would rather play for?

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[quote=SmootSmack;536527]I think the Browns will try to bring him back[/quote]

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