Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Andre Smiths stock has been falling lately because he fled the combine, and wasn't in shape, now every analyst is dropping him, some even have him going as early as 15. Seeing that we desperately need oline help and this guy is a hell of a football player that can start immediatley for us at RT or Guard...I say take him if he's still at 13 what do you all think?

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My gut answer is no, because I like to hit at a near 100% rate with my first round picks, and there are some red flags here, but it doesn't take much thought to realize that he's likely going to be the best prospect available when we pick if he is there.

So my answer is "not if Oher, Curry, or Raji is there".

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He's still got the makings of a very good prospect, who has shown the ability to control his weight. I don't think he's an ideal LT prospect.

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I think Buges would start a fire under his ass and he would become a very dominant player for us.

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Anyone seeing Orakpo at the combine? This guy is a stud.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;529258]Anyone seeing Orakpo at the combine? This guy is a stud.[/quote]

we're talking about would you take smith or not at 13 not about Orakpo

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i think you have to if you want a tackle, considering all of the other offensive tackles will have moved up if he moves back this far. and WE NEED A TACKLE unless we pick up a starter in FA which i doubt

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[quote=Nflnick11;529260]we're talking about would you take smith or not at 13 not about Orakpo[/quote]

Guess I should have phrased it as "I would rather take Orakpo":twocents:

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Yes, I would take him without any doubts.

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I would take him, but he's not gonna be there when we pick.

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He would be the top player on my board when we pick at 13.

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[quote=WaldSkins;529257]I think Buges would start a fire under his ass and he would become a very dominant player for us.[/quote]

If the prospect of a 20 million dollar signing bonus cant get this guys act together till atleast the combine, I don't think Buges will be able to do anything with him after he has the money.

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[quote=jamf;529268]If the prospect of a 20 million dollar signing bonus cant get this guys act together till atleast the combine, I don't think Buges will be able to do anything with him after he has the money.[/quote]

Excellent point. This guy is falling for a reason, major red flags when you don't show up ready for the largest interview of your life. Pass.

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have to wonder about work ethic

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[quote=GTripp0012;529249]My gut answer is no, because I like to hit at a near 100% rate with my first round picks, and there are some red flags here, but it doesn't take much thought to realize that he's likely going to be the best prospect available when we pick if he is there.

So my answer is "not if Oher, Curry, or Raji is there".[/quote]

I have to agree with GT here. First round have to be a sure thing and this guy is not stepping up when he should be.

He stated:
"[B]If I had the chance to do it all over, I wouldn't have handled it the way I did. I should have told my group leader that I was leaving, and I didn't. I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers or step on any toes. I didn't mean to grandstand anyone at the combine. That was not my intention at all, and I apologize for my mistake." Smith also admitted that he wasn't prepared or in shape[/B]

I guess I would take a chance on him. Only because he has been so dominate up untill the combine there has'nt been any issues. But I would like to know why he was not prepared and out of shape. Definate Red Flag.

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Not NO, but HELL NO! At 13 what are we looking at 10-12M guaranteed? On a guy who comes to the most important, high profile, job interview in front of the entire NFL coaches/scouts, not to mention media, out of shape and then just decides to leave and tell no one. On top of this, he was suspended from his bowl game for improper contact with an agent. Here's a quote from Smith in a USA Today article, "Smith, who also was suspended from the Sugar Bowl for improper dealings with an agent and acknowledged having weight fluctuations, said Thursday that he became a left tackle because his father told him it was the "highest-paid position."

Immature and selfish, he's not 13 yrs. old he's 21+. We can do much better at pick #13. Oher, Raji, Orakpo or trade down and let some other team shell out 8 figures to this knucklehead.

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Not a chance hes only a subpar RT, If Smith is there at 13 its great, because Detroit will be salivating to trade up...Keep Dropping Mr. Smith, you could very well get us 2 additional draft picks

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I've never heard any criticism of A. Smith's on-field performance (laziness, attitude etc). I think there's some context to be had here too... the folks on the combine probably feel pissed as hell for getting snubbed by a player, which is what this looked like to me. So when he leaves for another workout/event w/o saying much you'd probably expect folks on hand to throw him under the bus. Just my guess. Anyway to the bottom line: if we take him then i'd have to believe our guys talked w/ him about all this in some detail, maybe got Samuels to sit down w/ him and get a read on things, and then decided to pull the trigger.

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I think we are dealing more with immaturity. He's a powerful kid that needs to become a man. There is no doubt he can BALL. and thats whats so inticing.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;529277]Not a chance hes only a subpar RT, If Smith is there at 13 its great, because Detroit will be salivating to trade up...Keep Dropping Mr. Smith, you could very well get us 2 additional draft picks[/quote]

I never thought of him being here as a bonus for trade purposes, but i like the way you think.

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[quote=WaldSkins;529266]I think Buges would start a fire under his ass and he would become a very dominant player for us.[/quote]

In a Hollywood environment you could count on Buges making Smith turn around

Being that this is real life, if he is already showing signs of problems during the most sensitive period for an NFL rookie then it's most likely underlying signs of deeper issues.


It'd be like going on a first date to a nice restaurant and having your date piss themselves at the table and still thinking that they were marriage material. Andre pissed his first opportunity away and we should not take a chance on him.

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everyone step in line to draft the next ryan leaf... or robert gallery (though gallery showed much better pre-draft).

If he's bombing that badly and has no heart, that'd be a great way to waste a 1st round pick.

If he's still there, I'd trade the pick to a loser that likes making bad decisions (thanks detroit!) and use the extra impulse value of the selection to get better picks.

- that way you can get something out of his fall without the bust risk.

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if you trade down and see him where we might take someone else, it's an easy bite

otherwise, i'll leave it to the experts

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[quote=Skinny Tee;529286]In a Hollywood environment you could count on Buges making Smith turn around

Being that this is real life, if he is already showing signs of problems during the most sensitive period for an NFL rookie [B]then it's most likely underlying signs of deeper issues.[/B]


It'd be like going on a first date to a nice restaurant and having your date piss themselves at the table and still thinking that they were marriage material. Andre pissed his first opportunity away and we should not take a chance on him.[/quote]

Thanks for your input Dr. Skinny....................Just joking. You could be right.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;529286]In a Hollywood environment you could count on Buges making Smith turn around

Being that this is real life, if he is already showing signs of problems during the most sensitive period for an NFL rookie then it's most likely underlying signs of deeper issues.


[B]It'd be like going on a first date to a nice restaurant and having your date piss themselves at the table and still thinking that they were marriage material[/B]. Andre pissed his first opportunity away and we should not take a chance on him.[/quote]

You definitely have a way with words Tee. :laughing2

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[quote=That Guy;529287]If he's still there, I'd trade the pick to a loser that likes making bad decisions (thanks detroit!) and use the extra impulse value of the selection to get better picks.

- that way you can get something out of his fall without the bust risk.[/quote]I don't feel like being less prepared for the combine than he arguably should have been makes him a worse prospect -- I just think Oher is the third best OT in the draft (after Smith and Monroe).

I don't see the bust risk though (admittedly, I didn't see it with Gallery either). He's a three year starter who has shown questionable off-field decision making, but has no physical defects, durability concerns, or questions about his ability.

For me, it's just that I don't know how well his college-dominant skill set will translate. I feel like it might force him across the way or inside. But if I'm the Redskins, that's a small price to pay at No. 13 if he's say, the next Leonard Davis.

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Lacks maturity, Huge ? after getting suspended from bowl game and waiting till after combine had started to cancel due to lame excuse. Throwing big money to a kid is not a good investment.

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Well, he went to Alabama. We've got a pretty good veteran offensive tackle on our team who went to Alabama. If Chris Samuels isn't a tailor-made mentor for this guy, I don't know who is. I bet you a gazillion dollars Samuels would take him right under his wing and make sure he does the right things. At 13 I would be thinking hard about it.

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[quote=Schneed10;529326]Well, he went to Alabama. We've got a pretty good veteran offensive tackle on our team who went to Alabama.[B] If Chris Samuels isn't a tailor-made mentor for this guy, I don't know who is. I bet you a gazillion dollars Samuels would take him right under his wing and make sure he does the right things.[/B] At 13 I would be thinking hard about it.[/quote]

Good point Schneed. Practically all the scouts have said this kid is ready for the NFL. If not emotionally at least physically. The biggest knocks on him have been short arms and sometimes can be leadfooted, but the guy does ball when he's on the field. He may be better suited for guard I don't know. March 11th or 12th I believe is pro day in Alabama and I think his showing there will have a big impact on how teams look at him. Should be interesting to see how he shows up. I think I'll reserve my opinion until after we see how he responds on Pro Day.

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Orakpo also pulled his hammy at the combine today

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I heard the guys on the Sports Reporter today talking about how so many little things in the combine can make or break a player, without actually affecting his actual ability to play. I for once think some of these kids are probably not given the best advice as they make this transition, and yes you might say they are 20 or 21 yrs old, but I'm sure there are a lot of people trying to exploit these kids and make money off of them and not give them the best advice.

This situation also make me think how some players don't think the combine is that important and put their school's pro day and private workouts as a bigger priority. I wonder if there's way to make the combine just for players that are projected to be picked after the 1st round to avoid having this "oh X star player is not working out at the combine" or make the combine mandatory for all players period.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529340]I heard the guys on the Sports Reporter today talking about how so many little things in the combine can make or break a player, without actually affecting his actual ability to play. I for once think some of these kids are probably not given the best advice as they make this transition, and yes you might say they are 20 or 21 yrs old, but [B]I'm sure there are a lot of people trying to exploit these kids and make money off of them and not give them the best advice.[/B]
This situation also make me think how some players don't think the combine is that important and put their school's pro day and private workouts as a bigger priority. I wonder if there's way to make the combine just for players that are projected to be picked after the 1st round to avoid having this "oh X star player is not working out at the combine" or make the combine mandatory for all players period.[/quote]

Absolutely. I think this is a problem in all of sports. Agents have been known to contact kids even as early as high school. Fame and the prospect of a lot of money can really screw with someones head, especially at a young age.

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I would take him

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I'm just saying, ryan leaf bombed his interviews, clarrett obviously bombed his combine, and the red flags sure showed up in their careers. And hoping for other players to pull them in and "fix" them doesn't actually work out about 90% of the time. see TO or pacman jones or the raiders... and coaching couldn't make cory raymer stronger, arch deluxe fast, the raiders less dysfunctional, our 2nd day OL projects into actual starters, llyod or TO into not a douchebag, stubby or jagr into people who actually cared enough to play or any other miracles either. I mean, I hope for his sake this is just all blown up over nothing, but that usually isn't how it works.

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[quote=Schneed10;529326]Well, he went to Alabama. We've got a pretty good veteran offensive tackle on our team who went to Alabama. If Chris Samuels isn't a tailor-made mentor for this guy, I don't know who is. I bet you a gazillion dollars Samuels would take him right under his wing and make sure he does the right things. At 13 I would be thinking hard about it.[/quote]

I lean this way too. Admitting I don't have any clue about the guy other than the hyper-scrutiny he is going through right now. With the veteran leadership we have on the line...we really have a good set of guys from that standpoint...I think if he is a competitor that just needs to reined in and focsed then yes. If he is captain douche then I look to see if someone wants to trade up for him. Tripp makes a good point. If he isn't a Samuels type but ends up in a Leonard Davis mold we're still a winner. Plus it seems everyone thinks he has a little versatility. sounds like maybe he is suited to G but could probably role to T in a pinch...or vice versa. Guys like that are invaluable.

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I watched the NFL Network when the word came down about an AWOL Smith. Some thought it a sin, some thought not a sin.

I think it was a made for TV/Media moment, and probably not all that important. Pro day will tell. After all, according to VC, it is all of the pieces put together, not just one thing.

I'd prefer to trade down, and pick him up a little later maybe, but I doubt he lasts! I'm greedy, and I want more picks!

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I would take him in a heartbeat. On the other hand I have the feeling that we are one of the teams that dropped him from the draft board because of this mess.

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[quote=FRPLG;529371]I lean this way too. Admitting I don't have any clue about the guy other than the hyper-scrutiny he is going through right now. With the veteran leadership we have on the line...we really have a good set of guys from that standpoint...I think if he is a competitor that just needs to reined in and focsed then yes. If he is captain douche then I look to see if someone wants to trade up for him. Tripp makes a good point. If he isn't a Samuels type but ends up in a Leonard Davis mold we're still a winner. Plus it seems everyone thinks he has a little versatility. [B]sounds like maybe he is suited to G but could probably role to T in a pinch...or vice versa. Guys like that are invaluable[/B].[/quote]

I heard one of the guys covering the combine- I think it was Mariucci- say that he thinks Andre Smith could be a pro-bowl caliber guard right now. That's something to consider. If we snagged him and he wasn't quite ready to start at T, he could always help at the guard spot. Kendall and R.Thomas aren't getting any younger.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;529277]Not a chance hes only a subpar RT, If Smith is there at 13 its great, because Detroit will be salivating to trade up...Keep Dropping Mr. Smith, you could very well get us 2 additional draft picks[/quote]
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One thing I don't understand from this Smith situation is...he was supposed to be there on Saturday, but he wasn't going to work out...so if he's not working out, what was he going to do there on Saturday? Meet with teams? That's the part of this whole deal I don't understand, if he wasn't there to workout, then what's the big deal. If he had meetings setup with teams, then I would say it is a bit irresponsible, but it's not like he skipped out on working out at the combine, right?