2009 Offensive/Defensive Lineman
 

Who do you like for the draft.
Lineman only!

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Terrance Cody from alabama should be available when we pick in Round 1
Antoine Caldwell center from Alabama we should pick up in Round 3

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[U][B]Free Agency[/B][/U]

Stacy Andrews, Jordan Gross, and Marc Colombo should all be considered when free agency roles around. I would be inclined to consider Marc Tauscher but he's only one year younger then Jansen and thats definitely not something we need. Vernon Carey would also be desireable but I don't see Miami letting him get away.

On defense I think we should consider Julius Peppers and Terrell Suggs as potential Defensive Ends with Peppers getting top priority. Not only is he productive but he's big enough to play the left side of course we'll need to find a DT to help get a push up the middle and after Sheriffs little bio about Haynesworth I'm a little less eager to sign him. Unfortunately outside of Jonathan Babineaux theres very little in the way of Free Agent Defensive Tackles.
[B][U]
Draft[/U][/B]

Since Free Agency is more likely to produce a quality free agent OL rather then the DT the team so desperately needs then chances are the draft will be a place the team looks to break their streak of ignoring the guys in the trenches on draft day. When big space eating DT's come to mind Terrance Cody pops in pretty fast. Of course according to draft grades theres a few more guys that could be available but chances are Cody is the best fit for what the team needs. Of course Michael Johnson of Georgia Tech is another intriguing prospect considering his raw talent but I keep getting the feeling that he'll go a lot higher then the mid first round range where the Redskins will be picking. Of course then again he could end up having a pre draft process similar to Mathias Kimanuka (SP?) save the great college career.

In terms of first round offensive lineman few selections would please as much as if the team got there hands on Michael Oher of Ole Miss. A huge Tackle that at one point was considered a top 5 talent. To be honest he reminds me of a slightly smaller version of the Eagles Shawn Andrews. Either way he would be a great prospect to replace Jon Jansen though I still say the team might be better off finding out weather or not Jansen can play LG.

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Marc Colombo recently agreed to a 4 year extension with Dallas.

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Oher would be nice and so should Aaron Curry. Both would be excellent additions to our team.

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I think AQ shipley would be a nice addition to our Offensive line. He is a center for PSU and may be able to play guard.

Also, the OT from Alabama will be gone when we pick.

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[quote=WaldSkins;513454]Terrance Cody from alabama should be available when we pick in Round 1
Antoine Caldwell center from Alabama we should pick up in Round 3[/quote]

Terrence Cody has already announced he's going back to school.

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offensive line talent is deep deep deep in this years draft and russel okung out of oregon state is a great pick up after the 3rd round.......he will start for someone and he is underated so might be able to get him after the 3rd round......this means maybe some first round talent on our dline.........jerry- ole miss, raji-bc, and marks-aub head my list and they are all DTs i think end is very shallow this year and all the talent will be gone by time we pick......we also are set there in my opinion. but adding a DT is logical unless you can get a guy like maleluga or laurenitis.....but we can get comparable lbs later(cushing!!!!!)

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Spend early picks on DL. Oline is one of the positions you can consistently get quality starters in the later rounds. Take the best DL on the board unless there is a superstar on the board at another position. However, with Zorn coaching this team, I can see us going offense so he can get his system in place, I expect quite a bit of turnover over the next two or so seasons.

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[quote=Daseal;515455]Spend early picks on DL. Oline is one of the positions you can consistently get quality starters in the later rounds. Take the best DL on the board unless there is a superstar on the board at another position. [B]However, with Zorn coaching this team, I can see us going offense so he can get his system in place, I expect quite a bit of turnover over the next two or so seasons[/B].[/quote]

No thanks. Zorn seems to have a prejudice against rookies while Blache is more then willing to give his rookies a shot at playing. I mean just look at how fast Moore and Horton got a chance to get on the field in comparison to Thomas, Davis, and Kelly. Either way the only type of offensive player I want at a superficial level is an Offensive Lineman.

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depending on our draft pick situation... we need a big 10 OG, SEC or Big 12 OT, and a 5th round SEC DT...

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I still like Alex Mack out of California. Could probably start at center or guard in his first year and, barring injury, could be a pro bowl caliber player for many years. [url=http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mack_alex03.html]Player Bio: Alex Mack :: Football[/url]

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[quote=WaldSkins;513454]Terrance Cody from alabama should be available when we pick in Round 1
Antoine Caldwell center from Alabama we should pick up in Round 3[/quote]

I would love for Antoine Caldwell to be a Redskin. He is a All-SEC center plays hard and always gives it 110%. Plus we are from the same hometown and went to high school with him and his brothers. Tarvaris Jackson is also from Montgomery, AL too but he played for the rival school.

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If we could get Eugene Monroe OT out of Virginia in the first and have Alex Mack center-guard a projected 2nd to 3rd rounder fall to us in the 3rd, I would be happy with our draft. There are a few defensive guys I would like to get on our defense but I think we can win next year with the D we have. Being a defensive type of guy, I would love a Michael Johnson or a big defensive tackle, but protecting JC is a priority if we're going to get the offense where we want it to be. Maybe hit the defensive side of the ball in free agency.

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[quote=53Fan;515724]If we could get Eugene Monroe OT out of Virginia in the first and have Alex Mack center-guard a projected 2nd to 3rd rounder fall to us in the 3rd, I would be happy with our draft. There are a few defensive guys I would like to get on our defense but I think we can win next year with the D we have. Being a defensive type of guy, I would love a Michael Johnson or a big defensive tackle, but protecting JC is a priority if we're going to get the offense where we want it to be. Maybe hit the defensive side of the ball in free agency.[/quote]

That's logical thinking. I could deal with that.

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If the Redskins trade down the next available OL to draft on offense are either Cirion Black or Duke Robinson or possibly Tyson Jackson on the DL. If they don't trade down it sure looks like Eugene Monroe is a no brainer. But that might mean Vinny won't do it.

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I like maleluga or laurenitis for the first pick. I also like Duke Robinson. I'm not to happy with the mercenaries we're picked up over the years. I do like London Fletcher and Portis though. These worked out well for us. I would've liked to have gotten that kid Mason too. If we did pick up someone on the O or D lines then they had better be younger, cheaper, and not signed for too long to keep them hungry.
I also like Phil Loadholt. We need to get bigger and younger on both lines. I think we will cut or move around the lines, the O more than the D. I saw the O-line get better at pass protection this year. I just think JC isn't that great, yet.... He has improved. I wouldn't worry about the penalties that much with younger guys on the line because the old guys are committing them too.
What I really want to see is how many of these guys who are undrafted try out and who makes it. I think that we have some real potenial at getting a diamond in the rough for costume jewelry money.

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I really want Duke Robinson (G -- Oklahoma) and Alex Mack (C -- California). If we could trade down and pick up a 2nd, we might be able to get both of them.

In the third, Phil Loadholt (T -- Oklahoma) could play right tackle.

I wouldn't mind seeing three OL picks this year. I know we need help on the d-line, but this draft is stronger in O-Line prospects. This woud be the draft to have three 2nd round picks.

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[quote=MeanEvilSkin;517019]I really want Duke Robinson (G -- Oklahoma) and Alex Mack (C -- California). If we could trade down and pick up a 2nd, we might be able to get both of them.

In the third, Phil Loadholt (T -- Oklahoma) could play right tackle.

I wouldn't mind seeing three OL picks this year. I know we need help on the d-line, but this draft is stronger in O-Line prospects. This woud be the draft to have three 2nd round picks.[/quote]

That would be a draft I could feel very good about. If it were to happen, I would say Vinny has more than proved himself!

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[quote=53Fan;517031]That would be a draft I could feel very good about. If it were to happen, I would say Vinny has more than proved himself![/quote]

I'd be happy to let him get the credit if he'd just listen to me. :)

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happy new year! i know i'm mostly retarded on this site, but I am thankful for you all- I enjoy being told that I'm a moron. Best wishes in 2009.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;517033]happy new year! i know i'm mostly retarded on this site, but I am thankful for you all- I enjoy being told that I'm a moron. Best wishes in 2009.[/quote]

:laughing- Happy New Year BrunellMVP?! Diversity is not a bad thing. Being a Redskin fan proves you're not retarded, just a glutton for punishment. :) We are all brought together by our love for the Redskins and that's what really matters. Happy New Year Everyone! HAIL REDSKINS!!! :woot:

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[quote=MeanEvilSkin;517019]I really want Duke Robinson (G -- Oklahoma) and Alex Mack (C -- California). If we could trade down and pick up a 2nd, we might be able to get both of them.

In the third, Phil Loadholt (T -- Oklahoma) could play right tackle.

I wouldn't mind seeing three OL picks this year. I know we need help on the d-line, but this draft is stronger in O-Line prospects. This woud be the draft to have three 2nd round picks.[/quote]

I agree with this logic.

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I just saw a U-tuber with Everret Brown high lights from another thread and I urge everyone to check him out. I'm still sticking to my picks but if we did pick up E.Brown then I'd still say we had a good draft. I doubt he'll be there by the time # 13 comes around but if he is we've got to seriously consider him for our pick.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;517065]I just saw a U-tuber with Everret Brown high lights from another thread and I urge everyone to check him out. I'm still sticking to my picks but if we did pick up E.Brown then I'd still say we had a good draft. I doubt he'll be there by the time # 13 comes around but if he is we've got to seriously consider him for our pick.[/quote]
I'm a big FSU fan and Brown is awesome, but I don't think he's suited to be a traditional 4-3 DE he's much better suited as an OLB in a 3-4 system. Brown will most likely be a late first rounder and he should most definitely still be on the board by the time we pick but like I said I don't think he fits our defensive scheme.

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[quote=MeanEvilSkin;517019]I really want Duke Robinson (G -- Oklahoma) and Alex Mack (C -- California). If we could trade down and pick up a 2nd, we might be able to get both of them.

In the third, Phil Loadholt (T -- Oklahoma) could play right tackle.

I wouldn't mind seeing three OL picks this year. I know we need help on the d-line, but this draft is stronger in O-Line prospects. This woud be the draft to have three 2nd round picks.[/quote]
I really think we only need to add one starter on the O-line this year. I think we should draft a player who can come in and start at RT for us right away. Samuels is still a very good LT, Kendall is still solid at LG, Rabach is serviceable, Thomas is solid at RG, RT is where we need the starter. Heyer and Jansen would be solid depth at the tackle positions, and don't forget Rinehart and Devin Clark who are both young and promising.

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[quote=53Fan;515724]If we could get Eugene Monroe OT out of Virginia in the first and have Alex Mack center-guard a projected 2nd to 3rd rounder fall to us in the 3rd, I would be happy with our draft. There are a few defensive guys I would like to get on our defense but I think we can win next year with the D we have. Being a defensive type of guy, I would love a Michael Johnson or a big defensive tackle, but protecting JC is a priority if we're going to get the offense where we want it to be. [B]Maybe hit the defensive side of the ball in free agency[/B].[/quote]I'm fine with this approach as long as we don't reach for any of the O-linemen when our selection is up. Trading down to get more picks AND still getting the linemen that we're targeting would be a beautiful thing.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;513462][U][B]Free Agency[/B][/U]

Stacy Andrews, Jordan Gross, and Marc Colombo should all be considered when free agency roles around. I would be inclined to consider Marc Tauscher but he's only one year younger then Jansen and thats definitely not something we need. Vernon Carey would also be desireable but I don't see Miami letting him get away.

On defense I think we should consider Julius Peppers and Terrell Suggs as potential Defensive Ends with Peppers getting top priority. Not only is he productive but he's big enough to play the left side of course we'll need to find a DT to help get a push up the middle and after Sheriffs little bio about Haynesworth I'm a little less eager to sign him. Unfortunately outside of Jonathan Babineaux theres very little in the way of Free Agent Defensive Tackles.

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Since Free Agency is more likely to produce a quality free agent OL rather then the DT the team so desperately needs then chances are the draft will be a place the team looks to break their streak of ignoring the guys in the trenches on draft day. When big space eating DT's come to mind Terrance Cody pops in pretty fast. Of course according to draft grades theres a few more guys that could be available but chances are Cody is the best fit for what the team needs. Of course Michael Johnson of Georgia Tech is another intriguing prospect considering his raw talent but I keep getting the feeling that he'll go a lot higher then the mid first round range where the Redskins will be picking. Of course then again he could end up having a pre draft process similar to Mathias Kimanuka (SP?) save the great college career.

In terms of first round offensive lineman few selections would please as much as if the team got there hands on Michael Oher of Ole Miss. A huge Tackle that at one point was considered a top 5 talent. To be honest he reminds me of a slightly smaller version of the Eagles Shawn Andrews. Either way he would be a great prospect to replace Jon Jansen though I still say the team might be better off finding out weather or not Jansen can play LG.[/quote]


Anyone from Oklahoma's O line should be considered first. God damn Bradford had all day to pass most of the time to produce those ridiculous stats of his. Bama and Texas guys should be in the mix also. Peppers and/or Suggs would be killer, but a wad of $$$$$$$$$. I think the top priority of course should be the O line, so I think we should get a DE in the mid rounds. I am not totally privy to our cap situation, so I don't know what shape we are to go after Suggs or Peppers. I think we should rely on the draft more than FA. Going with FA heavily has bitten us in the ass way too much in the Snyder era.

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Eben Britton RT out of Arizona also looks like a very good prospect.

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[quote=53Fan;515518]I still like Alex Mack out of California. Could probably start at center or guard in his first year and, barring injury, could be a pro bowl caliber player for many years. [URL="http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mack_alex03.html"]Player Bio: Alex Mack :: Football[/URL][/quote]

couldnt agree more about mack but thats too high at 13. but i have been saying that guys is the best olineman in this years draft since they played maryland in september.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;517202]Anyone from Oklahoma's O line should be considered first. God damn Bradford had all day to pass most of the time to produce those ridiculous stats of his. Bama and Texas guys should be in the mix also. Peppers and/or Suggs would be killer, but a wad of $$$$$$$$$. I think the top priority of course should be the O line, so I think we should get a DE in the mid rounds. I am not totally privy to our cap situation, so I don't know what shape we are to go after Suggs or Peppers. I think we should rely on the draft more than FA. Going with FA heavily has bitten us in the ass way too much in the Snyder era.[/quote]

Colombo signed a four year with Dallas. That's what I heard. I think we should stay away from FA too.

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Watching the Fiesta Bowl, Boone is looking a little slow. I can see why some draft sites have him as far down as the fifth round.

We need to keep this in mind when the combine rolls around. Keep in mind who was a football player in the Fall, not a combine guy in February.

Cedric Dockery
 

Anyone realize that Derrick's little brother is eligible for the draft this year? For now he grades out as a fourth to fifth round prospect according to Scouts Inc.

[B]Cedric Dockery | OG[/B]

[B]Scouts Grade: 58[/B]
2009 NCF STATS

[B]Height:[/B]6'3[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/i/nfl/trans/1_2.gif[/IMG]"
[B]Weight:[/B]320
[B]College:[/B]TEXAS
[B]Flag:[/B]N/A
[B]Overall Rank:[/B]146
[B]Position Rank:[/B]7

[B]1 = [/B]Exceptional [B]2 = [/B]Above Average [B]3 = [/B]Average [B]4 = [/B]Below average [B]5 = [/B]Marginal


[B]Production: 2
[/B]Dockery redshirted in 2004 and played primarily as a reserve in 2005. He started (right guard) the first six games of his sophomore season in 2006 before suffering a season-ending knee injury versus Oklahoma. He returned healthy for his junior season in 2007, playing in all 13 games (11 starts) at right guard.

[B]Height-Weight-Speed[/B]: [B]3
[/B]Adequate-to-good height and thickly built. Well proportioned with a wide base. Does not run very well, though  even for his size.

[B]Durability: 3
[/B]Knee injury in 2006 is a concern. He does not seem to possess good flexibility or stamina, either. But remained healthy for the entire 2007 season.

[B]Character: 2
[/B]Has worked hard to improve from early in his career. [B]Older brother, Derrick, [/B]is a former Longhorn standout and current starter at guard for the Buffalo Bills.

[B]Strength/Toughness: 3
[/B]Plays with excellent leverage. Can stay low and absorb the bull rush. Also displays adequate-to good initial power. However, he does not drive through his blocks with the type of lower-body strength expected of a guard with his thick build. Would like to see him play with more of a mean streak. He rarely pancakes a defender in four games we studied from 2007 season

[B]Agility: 3
[/B]Shows adequate quickness when setting in pass pro but does not fire out as quickly as a run blocker. The more space he's in the less effective he becomes  both in pass pro and as a run blocker

[B]Awareness: 3
[/B]Needs work in this regard. Does not seem sure of his assignments at time and will get caught out of position, as a result.

[B]Pass Protection: 3
[/B]Is a natural knee bender and displays adequate quickness in his pass pro set. Has long arms for a guard. Plays with a wide base and can anchor versus most bull rusher. However, his range is severely limited by his poor lateral quickness. He struggles to mirror-and-slide in any kind of space. Will get caught off-balance and/or lunging if forced to set, slide his feet, and then reset. Also needs to show better awareness versus the blitz, as well as stunts and twists.

[B]Run Blocking: 3
[/B]He's much more effective working head up versus a 4-3 DT than he is uncovered. Rarely overwhelms defenders at the point of attack but he does win most battles once in good position. Displays adequate initial pop. Remains under control in space. Lacks ideal initial quickness when coming forward out of his stance and, as a result, he will be late to get into position on too many pulls, traps and second-level blocks. Also gets into some trouble by putting his head down prior to contact.

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so what i'm hearing is get a lot of olinemen from the draft which i like a lot but what about the dline? peppers would be a good sign along with hall then well probably be able to still pick up one more fa. so is it a dt or a lb to replace washington