We should re-sign Jason Taylor (yea i said it)
 

Now i know what your thinking. Ive read all the posts, ive seen the production this season. But im no dummy either, and we cant give up on this guy yet...Jason Taylor still has gas left in his tank. When he was MVP that year he was at outside linebacker. Now we all know one of my former team favorites Marcus Washington is gonna be heading out the door...IF ANYTHING...IF we could even find a solid replacement at Defensive End in JTs spot... WE SHOULD AT LEAST RE-SIGN him to Linebacker. He beasts there.

I seen a couple things with Jason Taylor this year... Were not getting enough pressure up the middle...when our D-Line is pushing the pocket we make smiley faces where Carter & Taylor are at the ends...
I think we should look for another solid DEFENSIVE TACKLE before we keep shuffling our defensive ends. Theres some nice DT FAs this year.

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He is signed thru next year.

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It makes sense only to reduce his cap #, and only if he's interested in playing beyond next year. I too agree it's premature to write him off as being finished.

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Let the guy go. He can't play anymore. All he's good for is batting balls down.

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I totally agree . If we could come to some kind of deal with him where we could reduce his cap hit next year ( say sign him over 3 years $12-5mil in bonuses structured so he gets the money he expects next year and a little more - say 6 milion SB + 3million Roster bonus due each year 1st of august vet minimum salary ... so his cap would drop 3 milion ish this to around 6 million 5 the following year etc ... this way if he calls it quits in 2010 then all we are on the hook for is $4million pro rated SB)

That way we can see if he can regain his form at DE OR let him play as OLB in washingtons spot .

I also agree the one thing we need more than anything else is a penetrating DT, get that and suddenly the ends fix themselves ...

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JT looks extremely slow this year.

However, it would be foolish to think in one year's time that he's lost everything. I think alot of it has to do w/ the fact that:

1. He had his leg bent in a direction that it shouldn't go. There was about a 99.9% chance he'd be done for the year imo.

2. He's had surgery on his calf how many times this year? You can't tell me that doesn't make a difference.

3. He's a HOF DE and former MVP. He knows how to play.

I liked the deal when we did it. So, i'm not going to 2nd guess now. We had some bad luck. Maybe he'll be healthy next year.

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anything we can do to get out of paying him 8 mil next year sounds good to me. While i havent given up on the guy either, i havent seen anything to expect him to play up to a 8 mil expectation level. honestly, if he doesnt want to restructure or if there is no other way of getting out of being on the hook for 8 mil next year, id cut him but thats just me.

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Regardless of whether or not he's any good anymore, he's still the second best DE on the team. Since he's signed through next year, it would be irresponsible to cut him, unless the Skins decide to go through a major rebuilding process (which is highly unlikely).
The question of whether or not he starts is dependant upon who we pick up in the off season.

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I like the OLB idea only if we get rid of Marcus Washington. We still need a stud DE and DT

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He needs to demonstrate in the last three games that he is deserving. So far that has not really happened.

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What has JT shown that would warrant re-signing him, much less paying him $8M that he's due to come back next season? You must be seeing something that I can't. I was as excited as the next guy when we traded for Taylor, but I don't see him suddenly recapturing his Pro Bowl form next year at the age of 35. If he can't give you that level of play, then he's a huge liability at his current price tag.

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If he's willing to take a pay cut I'll keep him, [B]but[/B] if he wants more money let him go.

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what if taylor is a system guy? porter (his replacement) is tearing the league apart

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In the NFL there is always someone desperate as we were/are. If JT would like to shop around let him. If he would like to build on the commroderie with the guys we have he can stay. He's at the end of his career. He has money in the bank. If he wants $2.5 million a year I would sign him for 2years. So long as we are clearly open that he stunk up the joint last year and he will share playing time and be demoted about his roles. We have to look younger and within to fill the DE spot. Sigining him could alleviate our DT priority though I love Griff/Monty and Golston is okay we could use another fat boy like Monty possibly in the draft.

Don't we have to suffer with Daniels coming back next year???? How old is he going to be 35? Older??

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When I look at Taylor I see one thing....$8.5M of freed up cap space. He's a MAJOR liability in the run game and has generated ZERO pass rush, he's not even drawing double teams. He is terrible as an RDE. We'd be much better off going with the young DEs the rest of the way to see what we have for next year. They can't be any worse that Taylor. You can see it in his play, his hearts not in football anymore. He wants to be in Hollywood. Maybe we could work a trade with Oakland for a couple of draft picks....LOL.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;510316]When I look at Taylor I see one thing....$8.5M of freed up cap space. He's a MAJOR liability in the run game and has generated ZERO pass rush, he's not even drawing double teams. He is terrible as an RDE. We'd be much better off going with the young DEs the rest of the way to see what we have for next year. They can't be any worse that Taylor. You can see it in his play, his hearts not in football anymore. He wants to be in Hollywood. [B]Maybe we could work a trade with Oakland for a couple of draft picks[/B]....LOL.[/quote]This is purely hypothetical, but I would trade Taylor man up for Robert Gallery in a heartbeat. Gallery may be a bust to date, but at least he's younger and a big body that would give our fast fading O-line more depth.

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^^ gallery is getting some serious coin right now, it would have to be a sign and trade deal to lower his cap hit but i dont see him taking less money when hes got a kings ransom in his back pocket.

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I honestly don't think there's a wrong move here. But that's because I'm a glass half-full kind of guy. If you're more pessimistic by nature, then maybe there's no right move.

He's going to be expensive to keep, and we're in no way financially committed to him. Having him back next year will definitely help our four man pass rush. But if Blache is just going to do the same blitz packages he's doing now next year, there's no point in having Jason Taylor.

If Cerrato's got what it takes to be a good GM, he's already looking at the 2nd rounder that we traded for him as a sunk cost. Look, we all make mistakes, and an under the gun overbuy like Taylor is excusable. But you have to call the joint chiefs together, decide if Jason Taylor is worth $8 million for next season, and if he's not then you have to let him go.

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[quote=SouperMeister;510346]This is purely hypothetical, but I would trade Taylor man up for Robert Gallery in a heartbeat. Gallery may be a bust to date, but at least he's younger and a big body that would give our fast fading O-line more depth.[/quote]Problem is though that the Raiders, like us, need more players like Gallery and less players like Jason Taylor. They do the whole undersized defensive lineman thing better than the rest of the NFL.

When you take an offensive lineman at No. 2 overall, you expect him to be a tackle. But Gallery was a guard in the making, and Davis meddled in Turner's affairs, forcing Gallery to play tackle where he was totally overmatched.

As a Guard though, he's a potential Kendall replacement, should we want to go that route. He's almost exactly like Kendall, but far, far younger.

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[quote=GTripp0012;510370]Problem is though that the Raiders, like us, need more players like Gallery and less players like Jason Taylor. They do the whole undersized defensive lineman thing better than the rest of the NFL.[/quote]

I dont think the raiders do anything better then any team. Oakland is where players go to die.

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[quote=redsk1;510286]JT looks extremely slow this year.

However, it would be foolish to think in one year's time that he's lost everything. I think alot of it has to do w/ the fact that:

1. He had his leg bent in a direction that it shouldn't go. There was about a 99.9% chance he'd be done for the year imo.

2. He's had surgery on his calf how many times this year? You can't tell me that doesn't make a difference.

3. He's a HOF DE and former MVP. He knows how to play.

[B] I liked the deal when we did it. So, i'm not going to 2nd guess now.[/B] We had some bad luck. Maybe he'll be healthy next year.[/quote]Good post. A lot of people were really happy with this deal when we did it, which is fine. But a lot of people who supported the deal have since turned on Taylor and Cerrato and that isn't fair. I admire your honesty.

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[quote=WaldSkins;510372]I dont think the raiders do anything better then any team. Oakland is where players go to die.[/quote]They defend the pass better than we do, and they have the best special teams units in the league. Those are two of our biggest weaknesses.

If you combined the best of the Redskins and Raiders...you'd still be a right tackle and a wide receiver short of a super bowl contender.

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I think Dancing With The Stars made him light on his toes.

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[quote=redsk1;510286]JT looks extremely slow this year.

However, it would be foolish to think in one year's time that he's lost everything. I think alot of it has to do w/ the fact that:

1. He had his leg bent in a direction that it shouldn't go. There was about a 99.9% chance he'd be done for the year imo.

2. He's had surgery on his calf how many times this year? You can't tell me that doesn't make a difference.

3. He's a HOF DE and former MVP. He knows how to play.

I liked the deal when we did it. So, i'm not going to 2nd guess now. We had some bad luck. Maybe he'll be healthy next year.[/quote]
are we talking Jason Taylor, or Bruce Smith? alot of similarities. i liked the deal when it when down, but Taylor is obviously at the end of his career. let him go

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sometimes it takes a year or two for a player to learn the system, and to learn how to play with different teammates. look at Joey Porter, he had a terrible year last year, now he's on the verge of being defensive mvp.

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JT hasnt been healthy all year. I think they should keep him thru the end of his contract next year (hopefully be be healthy) and they send him on his way.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;510313]what if taylor is a system guy? porter (his replacement) is tearing the league apart[/quote]

Taylor was there through like ten systems. Also Porter is not technically his replacement. Taylor was a 3-4 linebacker 2 seasons ago, last season he was a 4-3 end under Cameron and the current regime has returned to the 3-4.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;510316]When I look at Taylor I see one thing....$8.5M of freed up cap space. He's a MAJOR liability in the run game and has generated ZERO pass rush, he's not even drawing double teams. He is terrible as an RDE. We'd be much better off going with the young DEs the rest of the way to see what we have for next year. They can't be any worse that Taylor. You can see it in his play, his hearts not in football anymore. He wants to be in Hollywood. Maybe we could work a trade with Oakland for a couple of draft picks....LOL.[/quote]

You are exactly right. Taylor is past his prime, he is not the the defensive MVP he once was. I can not believe we gave up a 2nd round pick for him. I was against getting him for a 2nd round pick then and nothing has happened to change my opinion. We overpaid for him.

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[quote=mauiRedskinbarn;510419]sometimes it takes a year or two for a player to learn the system, and to learn how to play with different teammates. look at Joey Porter, he had a terrible year last year, now he's on the verge of being defensive mvp.[/quote]

That is a poor argument. DT has two main jobs to contain the outside and to rush the passer. Yes teams have them do different things but the job itself is the same. If he was doing better then below average that argument might hold but he is not even doing that. Porter is a LB and has alot of other duties that take time to learn.

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[quote=Defensewins;510433]You are exactly right. Taylor is past his prime, he is not the the defensive MVP he once was. I can not believe we gave up a 2nd round pick for him. I was against getting him for a 2nd round pick then and nothing has happened to change my opinion. We overpaid for him.[/quote]

I'm sorry but there's no way anyone could have predicted what happened to JT this season. Yes, his signing fitted the mold of typical big free agents signing that this team has made in the past. However, when we signed JT, it made sense.

Honestly, I've always thought that the problem in the d-line came from the Defensive Tackles and not the rushers. I hope the team can go after someone like Haynesworth in the offseason. Our interior DTs need to be able to push the offensive line and disrupt the opponents pass or run.

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[quote=Ruhskins;510439]I'm sorry but there's no way anyone could have predicted what happened to JT this season. Yes, his signing fitted the mold of typical big free agents signing that this team has made in the past. However, when we signed JT, it made sense.

Honestly, I've always thought that the problem in the d-line came from the Defensive Tackles and not the rushers. I hope the team can go after someone like Haynesworth in the offseason. Our interior DTs need to be able to push the offensive line and disrupt the opponents pass or run.[/quote]

I am not talking about predicting his injures and the time he missed. I disagreed with the deal because we were giving a valuable 2nd round pick for a 34 year old DE. I was ok with getting him but [B]not[/B] for a 2nd round pick. Then once we got him and saw he took up $7.5m in cap space, I was even less happy. Next season he will take up $8.5M. He is not worth it.

It is true our DT's are not great at providing a pass rush. But they are good against the run. Which to me is more important. If your defense can not stop the run your season is over. Rule # 1 for a good defense.
Our DE are not very stout against the run. In fact teams are game planing to attack our small DE's. In particular Ander Carter and Jason Taylor.
The unbalanced line Baltimore ran directly at 250 pound Andre Carter was done specifically to put a big body on him and it worked. It all started on the second Dallas game. Flozzell Adams and Jason Witten were pushing Andre Carter all over the field. This will continue. Seattle that has a terrible rushing game ran the ball at us. This is a problem.

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[quote=Defensewins;510433]I can not believe we gave up a 2nd round pick for him. I was against getting him for a 2nd round pick then and nothing has happened to change my opinion. We overpaid for him.[/quote]I agreed at the time that throwing anything more than a 3rd rounder for Taylor would have come back to bite us, especially if we didn't make the playoffs.

There was a significant contingent that was happy we got a hall of fame end, but it's semantics when he's thirty four years old and can't stay healthy anymore.

You can't slip a move like this under the radar of the media when it doesn't pay off. Cerrato has to be smarter than this.

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This thread is about a year early, since he has a year left and it's exrtremely unlikely he'll be cut. While he has been beyond disappointing this season he has had a spate of injuries. It is not unreasonable to expect him to contribute next year. Unless it becomes a salary cap issue, for example we need cash to bring in Asomugha (hey, I can dream right) he'll play for us next year, and perhaps play well.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;510316]When I look at Taylor I see one thing....$8.5M of freed up cap space. He's a MAJOR liability in the run game and has generated ZERO pass rush, he's not even drawing double teams. He is terrible as an RDE. We'd be much better off going with the young DEs the rest of the way to see what we have for next year. They can't be any worse that Taylor. You can see it in his play, his hearts not in football anymore. He wants to be in Hollywood. Maybe we could work a trade with Oakland for a couple of draft picks....LOL.[/quote]

i am tired of this argument that he is a liability in the run game.......seriously if you think that you are not watching the game....he does a great job of taking on the tackle and getting extended. i promise you that is his job. his job is not to make a play in the run game its to do his job so that our linbackers can make the plays. this defense is a gap to gap d and if he doesnt let guy outside of him and if he engages the tackle or tightend he has done his job. so long as they dont bury him and move on he is doing his job...coach blache talks about this all the time, not trying to do to much....if you want him to make more plays in the run game then you need to call for a new defensive coordinator, because it wont happen in this defense. most defenses in EVERY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL teach this, in fact coaches want the DLINE TO HOLD! there guy who is blocking them. almost every run defense is designed this way and jason taylor does his job just fine in the run game....for godsakes this argument can go on and on but you have to know what you are talking about and back it up if you are going to say that jason taylor is a liability in the run game.........says who that knows anything about football?

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[quote=holcknowsbest;510461]i am tired of this argument that he is a liability in the run game.......seriously if you think that you are not watching the game....he does a great job of taking on the tackle and getting extended. i promise you that is his job. his job is not to make a play in the run game its to do his job so that our linbackers can make the plays. this defense is a gap to gap d and if he doesnt let guy outside of him and if he engages the tackle or tightend he has done his job. so long as they dont bury him and move on he is doing his job...coach blache talks about this all the time, not trying to do to much....if you want him to make more plays in the run game then you need to call for a new defensive coordinator, because it wont happen in this defense. most defenses in EVERY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL teach this, in fact coaches want the DLINE TO HOLD! there guy who is blocking them. almost every run defense is designed this way and jason taylor does his job just fine in the run game....for godsakes this argument can go on and on but you have to know what you are talking about and back it up if you are going to say that jason taylor is a liability in the run game.........says who that knows anything about football?[/quote]Jason Taylor? Yeah, whatever his job is in the run game, I guarentee you he's not doing it. Unless Blache's scheme calls for him to turn his back to the defense or run past the play.

Andre Carter is very good against the run though, for an end. The myth that he can't defend the run was started two years ago, and was based on a myth that 1) he's small, and 2) teams' ability to get that Edge if they want it. Number two is only feasible against our defense if you can get Fletcher blocked, which means either teams are cracking on Fletcher, or the DTs are getting scraped past and lineman are getting on Fletch. Either way, it's hard to put this on Carter academically. There's nothing that goes on in the game that suggests that Carter is or has ever been bad against the run. But who needs to watch the game to underestimate a guys weight by 20 pounds and then generalize that he probably is too undersized for the position.

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i would resign him and hopefully for less money because 8.5 million is a hit to the cap....but we are good at hiding larger contracts with some sort of convertion to bonuses. he would be better suited in a 3-4 as the rush linebacker, but i think the rest of our defense would suffer personel wise in the scheme........i dont see carter inside a tackle or a tru nose on our roster, i also think it would limit fletcher who is such a good 4-3 mike. but in a 4-3 he has to play end and he is still a very good player, i dont think we have seen his best yet.

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[quote=GTripp0012;510464]Jason Taylor? Yeah, whatever his job is in the run game, I guarentee you he's not doing it. Unless Blache's scheme calls for him to turn his back to the defense or run past the play.

Andre Carter is very good against the run though, for an end. The myth that he can't defend the run was started two years ago, and was based on a myth that 1) he's small, and 2) teams' ability to get that Edge if they want it. Number two is only feasible against our defense if you can get Fletcher blocked, which means either teams are cracking on Fletcher, or the DTs are getting scraped past and lineman are getting on Fletch. Either way, it's hard to put this on Carter academically. There's nothing that goes on in the game that suggests that Carter is or has ever been bad against the run. But who needs to watch the game to underestimate a guys weight by 20 pounds and then generalize that he probably is too undersized for the position.[/quote]

i garuntee he is doing it, and i think the same myths you are talking about with carter are true for taylor. he is not turning his back on plays, thats bs. he is getting extended and doing fine. dline man dont make plays in the run game, they make assignments and the lbs make the plays. i mean get real here, carter and him are more than comparative this year in the run game and the rushing the passer game....i think you see 8.5 million and expect superman, me too but i dont think he is not doing his job, he is just not being superman but in the words of greg blache he is not doing more than he is asked. blache says thats not what this team needs.

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[quote=djnemo65;510458]This thread is about a year early, since he has a year left and it's exrtremely unlikely he'll be cut. While he has been beyond disappointing this season he has had a spate of injuries. It is not unreasonable to expect him to contribute next year. [B]Unless it becomes a salary cap issue, for example we need cash to bring in Asomugha[/B] (hey, I can dream right) he'll play for us next year, and perhaps play well.[/quote]Any cap money saved if Taylor is released SHOULD NOT go toward another CB. We needed to address interior line depth on both sides of the ball and that is still our biggest issue.

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[quote=SouperMeister;510483]Any cap money saved if Taylor is released SHOULD NOT go toward another CB. We needed to address interior line depth on both sides of the ball and that is still our biggest issue.[/quote]

I think that's a fair point but Nnamdi is a special guy. Given that Springs is likely to be gone next year, we are either going to have to resign Hall or bring someone else in. I don't trust Smoot as a number two for the season.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;510313]what if taylor is a system guy? porter (his replacement) is tearing the league apart[/quote]

the dolphins run a 3 4 now which doesn't fit his style