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I watched the game and posted in the game day thread, which as anyone of you has done should understand is only a reflection of that game. During any game it is easy for emotions to run away, especially during a particularly good or particularly bad showing. I watched the postgame coverage on Comcast, saw Jim Zorn's post game presser on redskins.com, and awoke this morning to read some of the game day posts and have a different perspective.

First off, anyone who judges regular season success from preseason records is naive. It was good to have Zorn "practice" winning, but most of those wins were achieved by guys who won't be wearing the burgundy and gold come Sep 4.

The defense played a heckuva first quarter. The offense didn't get a first down, and the defense held up. Even after the sudden change on Campbell's sack they held the Panthers to a field goal. They simply wore down. The Panthers get paid too, their coaches knew this and it was a series of runs that broke this game open. In the past, our defense has carried us when our offense has looked like this. And actually, having Landry in the game would have saved a couple of touchdowns as his speed and aggressiveness would have stopped at least one of those long runs.

The offense is impossible to judge simply because on just about every play one of our lineman was losing an individual battle. But was is clear is that Jason Campbell isn't trusting this offense yet. Zorn wants him to make quick decisions, but one offseason and training camp aren't nearly enough to get acclimated to a brand new offense and philosophy. It will click with Campbell, but it will just take some trial by fire. He'll be fine, it seemed he wanted to not make a mistake and so he pumped and second guessed himself. This can be corrected, probably not in 12 days but over the first four games.

We're not as bad as this game would appear and we're not as good as that 3-0 PRESEASON record looked either. We are what we are, a team installing a new offense under a rookie head coach. There will be bumps and bruises, but I think given a chance Zorn can be a good head coach in this league. It may not be this year, although I hope it is, but he will prove himself.

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;467199]I watched the game and posted in the game day thread, which as anyone of you has done should understand is only a reflection of that game. During any game it is easy for emotions to run away, especially during a particularly good or particularly bad showing. I watched the postgame coverage on Comcast, saw Jim Zorn's post game presser on redskins.com, and awoke this morning to read some of the game day posts and have a different perspective.

First off, anyone who judges regular season success from preseason records is naive. It was good to have Zorn "practice" winning, but most of those wins were achieved by guys who won't be wearing the burgundy and gold come Sep 4.

[B]The defense played a heckuva first quarter. [/B] The offense didn't get a first down, and the defense held up. Even after the sudden change on Campbell's sack they held the Panthers to a field goal. They simply wore down. The Panthers get paid too, their coaches knew this and it was a series of runs that broke this game open. In the past, our defense has carried us when our offense has looked like this. And actually, having Landry in the game would have saved a couple of touchdowns as his speed and aggressiveness would have stopped at least one of those long runs.

The offense is impossible to judge simply because on just about every play one of our lineman was losing an individual battle. [B]But was is clear is that Jason Campbell isn't trusting this offense yet.[/B] Zorn wants him to make quick decisions, but one offseason and training camp aren't nearly enough to get acclimated to a brand new offense and philosophy. It will click with Campbell, but it will just take some trial by fire. He'll be fine, it seemed he wanted to not make a mistake and so he pumped and second guessed himself. This can be corrected, probably not in 12 days but over the first four games.

We're not as bad as this game would appear and we're not as good as that 3-0 PRESEASON record looked either. We are what we are, a team installing a new offense under a rookie head coach. There will be bumps and bruises, but I think given a chance Zorn can be a good head coach in this league. It may not be this year, although I hope it is, but he will prove himself.[/QUOTE]

Things went smoothly on the first day of the Titanic's cruise, too. General Custer's troops looked sharp on morning before the battle of Little Big Horn. The lift-off of the space shuttle Challenger appeared normal, initially.

Get my point? How did the starting defense do for the rest of the first half, 28 points later? Jason Campbell couldn't trust the highly-paid, starting offensive line -- so how could he "trust the offense" ??

I know some people feel better after they sleep it off -- but there is absolutely NOTHING positive you can say about any part of that game last night.

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I'm with Beem. Last night was a terrible showing by this team, and I think it's naive to brush off getting demolished as easily as you do. The fact is we game planned, played 21 of 22 starters and got destroyed. The offense was terrible, our O line looks really bad. Jansen keeps getting worked over on a regular basis.

The starting defense did okay in the red zone. The problem was, the Panthers seemed to score before they got inside the 20. When we were backed up we were giving up FGs, but we were letting big plays happen regularly.

Is it the end of the world? Absolutely not. Is it something we, as fans, should be very concerned about? Absolutely. I remember 2006 everyone on this site crying about how preseason didn't matter as we were getting demolished and not doing simple things. The season resembled the preseason. I hope that isn't true this year.

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Memphisskin, I think you touched on some thoughtful points, but you put too much of a positive spin on things.

I do agree that of the two units, I'm far less concerned about the defense. LaRon Landry is indeed the lynchpin of our defense, and without his range back there we are no better than average on D. With him, we can be a top 10 defense.

Still, our inability to stop the run was alarming. Kareem Moore and Doughty took horrific angles and tackled poorly, I have no doubt Landry would have stopped Williams and Stewart on those two large runs and limited them to 10-15 yard gains. But the core problem really was that our front seven couldn't keep Carolina's backs from getting into the secondary. Even if Landry were there to stop those long runs, the way Carolina was consistenly opening holes, I have no doubt they would have just marched down the field anyway, springing the backs for 8-yard gain after 8-yard gain until they methodically marched into the end zone.

Our front 7 has a TON of work to do. I've seen them do it before, so I'm not THAT concerned, but it's still alarming.

As for the offense, we should be very concerned. This is two weeks in a row now that Campbell has hesitated. He is not making quick reads and quick decisions (even when given enough time to throw). These are the telltale signs of a guy still learning an offense. The WCO is dependent upon the timing and the ability of the QB to make quick reads. You must be confident in your knowledge of the offense to make the reads quickly enough. You can tell Campbell is nowhere close.

And of course, none of that will matter if we can't protect the QB, because then not only will we miss opportunities, but we'll take sacks and turn the ball over.

The offense has MILES to go, we're showing signs of being the worst offense in the league. Yes, maybe it's just preseason and we didn't bring our bread and butter. We can hope that's the case - but nothing we've seen over the past two weeks gives us any indication that will be the case.

Too many fans are dismissing this poor performance on the HOPE that "it's just preseason." But careful and thoughtful analysis indicates that we suck balls at this point.

Someone in another thread said we're headed for a 1-4 start. I'd actually be impressed with the coaching staff if we manage to do better than that.

We're in for a tough year.

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a blowout is a blowout. they happen. the giants lost to the jets who we beat. it is all preseason, and the games don't count.
ok enough cliches. JC had a terrible game regardless of the line play, on one sack i counted to 10 before he got sacked. and his postgame remarks with Kelli J were deflecting criticism far too much. this game, and his theismann and postgame interviews, really diminished my view of Campbell. i still believe the team will have a great year, but if not then it ought to be JC's last.

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Even for preseason, 47-3 is an embarrasment. Even if the score is lopsided at least the team should show some good technique and skill. They did not.
I said it on the first we got Jason Taylor, our two DE are pass rushers. Stopping the run is not their strength. PLus we are not deep with the few run stoppers we do have. IF we can not stop the run, it will be very long Spurrier type season. I have been really concerned about our ability to stop the run since Phillip Daniels went down. We do not have a true LDE - Strong side DE. WE have two RDE pash rush guys. This may really come back to bite us.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;467205]Things went smoothly on the first day of the Titanic's cruise, too. General Custer's troops looked sharp on morning before the battle of Little Big Horn. The lift-off of the space shuttle Challenger appeared normal, initially.

Get my point? How did the starting defense do for the rest of the first half, 28 points later? Jason Campbell couldn't trust the highly-paid, starting offensive line -- so how could he "trust the offense" ??

I know some people feel better after they sleep it off -- but there is absolutely NOTHING positive you can say about any part of that game last night.[/QUOTE]

Great points, and you're right, there is nothing positive about last night's game.

As for Jason Campbell not trusting the offense, I'm basing that on some things Zorn has said in his press conferences and on Jason double and triple pumping. Jason Campbell said this offense was about throwing into open zones, which means he has to trust his receivers to get open before they actually are. When he's back there double and triple pumping (which he actually did on the long pass to Randle El up the left sideline) then he's not trusting the offense. In fact, him double pumping is trusting the offensive line to protect him instead of doing what the play is designed to do.

It was a preseason game, get the ball out of your hand! I love Jason Campbell, will be buying a #17 jersey home white pretty soon, and think he can be a heckuva qb. But he's got to let the ball go, and to me it seemed like was hesitating because he didn't trust his reads. He needs some confidence, hopefully he has a better showing next Thurs.

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Also, I kept wanting to see some player leadership (on the field and sidelines) and I wanted to see some coaches in some players faces (not looking at overhead photos). Which coach is our fire breather?

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i am not blaming it ALL on cambell but it makes me ill to watch him play. collins is much better. The coach says jason is the future??WHAT FUTURE WOULD THAT BE.the only times he doesnt go three and out is when he gets picked. then its 2 and out.HE NEEDS TO THROW THE DAMN BALL!!

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JC is just scared to make a bad throw, he needs to let it ride.

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The forum was just gearing up for the regular season last night. It's been a while since we went through a loss so I think we forgot about what happens around here. For starters, the usual cast of armchair coaches that have very little or nothing to say after a W come out of the woodwork with plenty to say.

Some of the typical reactions include:

-Fire the coach.

-Somebody needs to be cut or traded.

-The coach needs to start yelling more.

-Bench the QB.

-The players should be running an insane amount of laps after practice.

-Why aren't we going a certain free agent that's available?

-Why didn't we draft a certain player?

-Why did we draft a certain player?

-The season is over.

-We're the laughingstock of the entire league.

-Ex-players and coaches are laughing at us.

-Snyder needs to sell the team.

-If you're not criticizing the team you don't know what's going on.

-We're not making the playoffs.

-We're going to have the 1st pick in the draft.

Did I miss anything? Feel free to add your own. ;)

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[QUOTE=Daseal;467207]I'm with Beem. Last night was a terrible showing by this team, and I think it's naive to brush off getting demolished as easily as you do. [B]The fact is we game planned, played 21 of 22 starters and got destroyed.[/B] The offense was terrible, our O line looks really bad. Jansen keeps getting worked over on a regular basis.

The starting defense did okay in the red zone. The problem was, the Panthers seemed to score before they got inside the 20. When we were backed up we were giving up FGs, but we were letting big plays happen regularly.

Is it the end of the world? Absolutely not. Is it something we, as fans, should be very concerned about? Absolutely. I remember 2006 everyone on this site crying about how preseason didn't matter as we were getting demolished and not doing simple things. The season resembled the preseason. I hope that isn't true this year.[/QUOTE]


20 of 22. Washington and Landry were both out, but whose counting.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;467223]The forum was just gearing up for the regular season last night. It's been a while since we went through a loss so I think we forgot about what happens around here. For starters, the usual cast of armchair coaches that have very little or nothing to say after a W come out of the woodwork with plenty to say.

Some of the typical reactions include:

-Fire the coach.

-Somebody needs to be cut or traded.

-The coach needs to start yelling more.

-Bench the QB.

-The players should be running an insane amount of laps after practice.

-Why aren't we going a certain free agent that's available?

-Why didn't we draft a certain player?

-Why did we draft a certain player?

-The season is over.

-We're the laughingstock of the entire league.

-Ex-players and coaches are laughing at us.

-Snyder needs to sell the team.

-If you're not criticizing the team you don't know what's going on.

-We're not making the playoffs.

-We're going to have the 1st pick in the draft.

Did I miss anything? Feel free to add your own. ;)[/QUOTE]

Well there was this one from this thread..
[quote=Schneed10]
The offense has MILES to go, we're showing signs of being the worst offense in the league. [/quote]
Also:
-This won't happen under Bill Cowher next year

-Cerrato needs to be fired and we need a real GM

-If Patrick Ramsey was only given a fair chance we wouldn't be wondering if Campbell can be our QB

-Collins won 4 games in '07 and should be the starter

-Why don't we bring back Lavar Arrington


I didn't see the game, I'll watch the replay on NFL-N at 1pm but I doubt that, as seems to be the prevailing notion on here, that we are destined to be the '07 Dolphins all of a sudden. We got our asses kicked. You know what, it happens. We've gotten our asses kicked before and will again. Just as 3 preseason wins doesn't win us a Lombardi Trophy, a bad preseason loss doesn't lock up the #1 pick. The recall to 2006 is much different, we looked horrible from the first snap of the preseason, not just one game. Other than last night, we've looked pretty decent in all phases the entire summer, the wheels didn't permanently come off the wagon last night.

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I was one of the people that wanted us to draft lineman with all our picks, just saying.:bdh:

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[B]I know some people feel better after they sleep it off -- but there is absolutely NOTHING positive you can say about any part of that game last night.
[/B]

Frost looked good............LOL.

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[B]I didn't see the game, I'll watch the replay on NFL-N at 1pm but I doubt that, as seems to be the prevailing notion on here, that we are destined to be the '07 Dolphins all of a sudden. We got our asses kicked.[/B]

You may want to find something better to do. We got steam rolled. Even though it was only preseason I had to stop watching at half time. I simply couldn't watch anymore. I'm not the negative nanny type but I kept grasping for anything that would help me understand the blow out.

I kept thinking maybe it's the plays Zorn picked for the team to learn during this game, but that does not answer the tackling issue the Defense had. I kept going back to Zorn saying something along the lines of ...."I'm not going to hold anything back during preseason." ....I think everyone got the impression Zorn's offense would be so good the other teams would have to find a way to stop it. Then the first preseason game against the Cults...minus Manning gave us false hope.

I don't think we are as bad as last night ,but ...we definitly have to resolve some issues before the season starts. Also if I remember correctly the Panthers are a good team up until the second half. Usually they start to wear down. They are not a 4 quarter team. Most teams start pounding them early and after half time it shows and teams even the score. In other words when they finally get down to the 53 man roster let that same team play 4 quarters like it did last night. Hopefully we have a better showing next week against another team gunning for the SB the Jaguars.

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[quote=Paintrain;467229]Well there was this one from this thread..

Also:
-This won't happen under Bill Cowher next year

-Cerrato needs to be fired and we need a real GM

-If Patrick Ramsey was only given a fair chance we wouldn't be wondering if Campbell can be our QB

-Collins won 4 games in '07 and should be the starter

-Why don't we bring back Lavar Arrington


I didn't see the game, I'll watch the replay on NFL-N at 1pm but I doubt that, as seems to be the prevailing notion on here, that we are destined to be the '07 Dolphins all of a sudden. We got our asses kicked. You know what, it happens. We've gotten our asses kicked before and will again. Just as 3 preseason wins doesn't win us a Lombardi Trophy, a bad preseason loss doesn't lock up the #1 pick. The recall to 2006 is much different, we looked horrible from the first snap of the preseason, not just one game. Other than last night, we've looked pretty decent in all phases the entire summer, the wheels didn't permanently come off the wagon last night.[/quote]

LOL how could I forget the "we need a GM" stuff. :doh:

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I thought this post was worth pointing out:

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collins took us to the playoffs.cambell getting hurt was the only way we would have won 4 straight.(we probably lose that game to the bears)We cant wait till we till we are in the hole before zorn makes the switch.Face it cambell is not getting better.when he holds the ball forever instead of throwing it in the stands. It just shows that his lack of vision and poor accuracy. also he is not mobile.What the heck he has a stronger arm and hes younger than collins. we will never win with him!!!

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[quote=SBXVII;467231][B]I know some people feel better after they sleep it off -- but there is absolutely NOTHING positive you can say about any part of that game last night.
[/B]

Frost looked good............LOL.[/quote]

No that's not good because that means we might actually keep him and see him shanking punts all over the place again this year...lol

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[QUOTE=redskinjim;467248]collins took us to the playoffs.cambell getting hurt was the only way we would have won 4 straight.(we probably lose that game to the bears)We cant wait till we till we are in the hole before zorn makes the switch.Face it cambell is not getting better.when he holds the ball forever instead of throwing it in the stands. It just shows that his lack of vision and poor accuracy. also he is not mobile.What the heck he has a stronger arm and hes younger than collins. we will never win with him!!![/QUOTE]

Right on time! lol!

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[quote=squrrelco3;467249]No that's not good because that means we might actually keep him and see him shanking punts all over the place again this year...lol[/quote]

I'm with you...but .....I was trying to find the only bright spot even it it's not were we wanted it to be.

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It was obvious that the panthers took this game more seriosly than the skins. Steve Smith was all over the place, making efforts that i didn't see the skins WRs make. C. Portis def didnt run as hard as the panthers Rbs. Jansen looked really bad, and of course C. Samuels got man handled by a speed rusher, its his MO now.

I really think that after J. Taylor went down, all the other starter just went into self protection mode. Just don't get hurt, this game is basically just a practice.

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[quote=Boston Brave;467218]Also, I kept wanting to see some player leadership (on the field and sidelines) and I wanted to see some coaches in some players faces (not looking at overhead photos). Which coach is our fire breather?[/quote]

That was something I noted last night too. There was a lot of head hanging on the sideline, and not enough motivation. I saw guys individually walk over to Campbell a few times and talk and then walk away. I really hope they're not getting frustrated with him.

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Hey the sun did rise, i get to watch this game again now on NFL Network.

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[quote=theJBexperience;467257]That was something I noted last night too. There was a lot of head hanging on the sideline, and not enough motivation. I saw guys individually walk over to Campbell a few times and talk and then walk away. I really hope they're not getting frustrated with him.[/quote]

Well, they didn't show it on TV but supposedly Jim Zorn's head nearly exploded after that third sack on Campbell and he gave Bugel and earful...

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Let's see how they respond over the next 2 weeks. I don't need fire and brimstone. I need actual leadership that leads to better play. Different teams and coaches have different styles. Zorn's persona, and especially with the public, is even-keeled. Let's see how that translates to improved play on the field.

Look, if a fiery team gets smacked, everyone says "they should shut up and play ball." If a quieter team loses, everyone says "where's the fire?"

The trick is to play better and win. That's all that matters. There is no single way to lead or to get fired up.

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[quote=JWsleep;467264]Let's see how they respond over the next 2 weeks. I don't need fire and brimstone. I need actual leadership that leads to better play. Different teams and coaches have different styles. Zorn's persona, and especially with the public, is even-keeled. Let's see how that translates to improved play on the field.

Look, if a fiery team gets smacked, everyone says "they should shut up and play ball." If a quieter team loses, everyone says "where's the fire?"

The trick is to play better and win. That's all that matters. There is no single way to lead or to get fired up.[/quote]

Agreed, one thing I did like to see though was Zorn's brutal honesty during the post game presser, none of this [I]"well, this team fought their guts out"[/I] stuff we used to hear (sorry Joe Gibbs, I love you but it was getting thin)...he was straight up, the team played like crap, it was beaten down to the last man, and it needs to get better...

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To those of you who want Todd Collins to be our starter....FORGET IT! It's not going to happen. He's 38 and has never been a starter in this league! When Campbell went down last year It was obvious Gibbs relenquished his ultra-conservative play calling to Saunders. We were a much more aggressive offense just based on the play calling alone. Did Collins know the system better than Campbell? Sure, but it's a new era and a completely new offense now. Sorry fans, but it will take a while for EVERYONE to grasp. Not just Jason Campbell. Our recievers now will have many option routes based on what the defense shows on any given play. If our wideouts are not on the same page as our quaterback, this offense will not go. If you really want to compare QB's, so far in this preseason Jason Campbell has had MUCH better numbers against guys that will actually be in this league in another week.. Todd has looked just as confused against guys that will be working construction in a week... So stop the "Make Collins our starter" stuff.

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safety karrem moore looked good .Douty is not a starter without landry were average at best. the defense got hung out out to dry they played good early.jason cambell is a blind man.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;467211]Memphisskin, I think you touched on some thoughtful points, but you put too much of a positive spin on things.

I do agree that of the two units, I'm far less concerned about the defense. LaRon Landry is indeed the lynchpin of our defense, and without his range back there we are no better than average on D. With him, we can be a top 10 defense.

Still, our inability to stop the run was alarming. Kareem Moore and Doughty took horrific angles and tackled poorly, I have no doubt Landry would have stopped Williams and Stewart on those two large runs and limited them to 10-15 yard gains. But the core problem really was that our front seven couldn't keep Carolina's backs from getting into the secondary. Even if Landry were there to stop those long runs, the way Carolina was consistenly opening holes, I have no doubt they would have just marched down the field anyway, springing the backs for 8-yard gain after 8-yard gain until they methodically marched into the end zone.

Our front 7 has a TON of work to do. I've seen them do it before, so I'm not THAT concerned, but it's still alarming.

As for the offense, we should be very concerned. [B]This is two weeks in a row now that Campbell has hesitated. He is not making quick reads and quick decisions (even when given enough time to throw[/B]). These are the telltale signs of a guy still learning an offense. The WCO is dependent upon the timing and the ability of the QB to make quick reads. You must be confident in your knowledge of the offense to make the reads quickly enough. You can tell Campbell is nowhere close.

And of course, none of that will matter if we can't protect the QB, because then not only will we miss opportunities, but we'll take sacks and turn the ball over.

The offense has MILES to go, we're showing signs of being the worst offense in the league. Yes, maybe it's just preseason and we didn't bring our bread and butter. We can hope that's the case - but nothing we've seen over the past two weeks gives us any indication that will be the case.

[B]Too many fans are dismissing this poor performance on the HOPE that "it's just preseason." [/B] But careful and thoughtful analysis indicates that we suck balls at this point.

Someone in another thread said we're headed for a 1-4 start. I'd actually be impressed with the coaching staff if we manage to do better than that.

We're in for a tough year.[/QUOTE]

In my opinion campbell has always locked on to his primary receiver and not shown the ability or confidence to read defenses and check down to another receiver before his 2.9 seconds are up. this being said campbell has great pocket presence and will get better. thats one of the reasons we brought zorn on board.

i dont have to "hope" its preseason, it WAS a preseason game lol! (i know what you meant thoo, just couldnt resist)

go skins!!

we will be an 8-8 team give or take a game (and a suisham kick) and will yet again need to go on a run in the end to push into the playoffs. our D dictates our success and we have pretty much the same squad as last year.

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[quote=over the mountain;467270]In my opinion campbell has always locked on to his primary receiver and not shown the ability or confidence to read defenses and check down to another receiver before his 2.9 seconds are up. this being said campbell has great pocket presence and will get better. thats one of the reasons we brought zorn on board.

i dont have to "hope" its preseason, it WAS a preseason game lol! (i know what you meant thoo, just couldnt resist)

go skins!!

we will be an 8-8 team give or take a game (and a suisham kick) and will yet again need to go on a run in the end to push into the playoffs. our D dictates our success and we have pretty much the same squad as last year.[/quote]

It may take another year for Campbell to get there...I remember when Matt Hasselbeck was called Matt [I]Hasselsuck[/I] or Matt [I]Clusterf*ck[/I]...it took him about 3 or 4 years to really come into All-Pro form...the question is, will Danny have that kind of patience or will he fire Zorn if we have a bad year and bring in Cowher...

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yikes i dont think we are at the point in zorns head coaching career that he needs to worry about being replaced. If (and its a big if) campbell fails to grasp zorns offense to the point a change MUST be made next offseason, i would be surprised he would be fired before given a chance to hand pick his own quarterback. remember campbell is a gibbs selection but we are getting way to ahead of ourselves.

go skins!

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I feel ok about Campbell, given that we have Zorn. Zorn will get him straight.

The killer was the AWFUL pass pro. No time at all the set and throw. No time. And Carolina plays a very tight man-to-man given the power of their rush. You can afford to lock onto short routes and jump things if your rush is going to get pressure. If you can pass pro, the WRs will open up after a few seconds and the tight coverage will get beat. But that cannot happen with no pass pro. And we had none.

Watch, if you have the stomach for it, Samuels getting smashed backwards into Campbell by Peppers. Peppers uses Samuels like a ragdoll to actually make the tackle and force the fumble. If that's the play of you BEST Olineman, the QB has very little chance to set up and make reads.

Here's a thought, and yes, I know, woulda coulda, etc. If Betts does not fumble (and this, I'm afraid, is his MO--his fumbles have killed us before), and we score on that drive, it's 7-6 and a very different game. Momentum is so huge in football. That's why turnovers are SO damaging. Watched the Texans play the cowroids the other night. The roids were dominating and then Romo threw a pick in the endzone. THe game changed--suddenly the team that could not block, run, pass, etc. drove down to score. Funny how that works.

But the bottom line, for me, is the physical effort from both lines. If we come out like that against the gints, we are in for a world of hurt. Glad we got smacked like that, in a way. At least we won't think we can walk into Giant stadium and march up and down the field. We're going to have to actually play with fire, heart and discipline. And we still may well lose to the SB champs. But at least lets give the effort!

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Our O line sucked, so I'm trying very hard not to be critical of JC.. but my TV almost didn't make it through that game intact. I don't think I could have yelled "throw the $@)*#()!@(* damn ball" any louder....

As for the rest of it... Wow.... what a mess.

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The holding on to the ball too long is a legitimate concern...there shouldn't ever be 4 sacks taken in a half, even if you are playing short a few linemen.

Outside of that, I can't really get worked up over this. We played terrible....yeah, whatever. Shit like that happens from time to time. It will probably happen once or twice in the regular season.

Speaking of which, how good is my Carolina to win the NFC South pick looking right now.

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OSI out for the season!!!!!!! Jason Taylor to miss 10-14 days...WOW. The football gods do not totally hate us.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;467277]The holding on to the ball too long is a legitimate concern...there shouldn't ever be 4 sacks taken in a half, even if you are playing short a few linemen.
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Well, he could have done the Brunell chuck out of bounds, but he was getting pressure instantly on lots of those plays.

Here's a question for those with DVRs and the stomach for looking. Did Campbell MISS open routes out there? Were people ever running free and he didn't see them, etc.? My guess is that the rush and tight coverage made it very tough and he held the ball more for that reason than for failing to read the D in the woefully short time he had.

But the whole team, JC included, played poorly. Let's see if Zorn and co can fix it!

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I agree JW!!! I also truly believe the play calling for the first time in the Zorn era suffered.

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[quote=JWsleep;467288]Well, he could have done the Brunell chuck out of bounds, but he was getting pressure instantly on lots of those plays.
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Yeah, he could have and should have... there is no excuse for 4 sacks. One, maybe even two.. but not 4.