What if Colt Brennan falls to the middle late rounds?
 

It looks as if Colt Brennan didn't impress too much at the Senior Bowl this year. I believe some GM's feel as if he's a product of a great offensive system. They are questioning his mechanics, release points, and some question his physical stature.

For a guy that's set all kinds of records and can obviously play, should we draft him if he slides to the 3rd-5th round of the draft.

I think you've got to take a chance on him if he slides to the 4th round or later (i believe we have a 4th....no i didn't research it). Yes, i know JC is our guy, but why not take a chance to groom someone that could work on mechanics and build strength. Then in a couple years, who knows...Good qb's are hard to find and everyone wants one. Think of Rivers/Brees. Thoughts?

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We don't have a 4th, gave it up in the Duckett deal.

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We let him stay there

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[QUOTE]•Colt Brennan, Hawaii quarterback. His stock has been in free fall since the end of the regular season. He will need to weigh more than the 186 pounds he weighed at the Senior Bowl (he blamed it on the flu), and he needs to answer questions about his character in interviews with executives. [B]One front-office man said Brennan has been coming across like a "jackass" in interviews[/B][/QUOTE]

Granted, that's just one man's opinion but it's potentially something the other teams are keeping an eye on.

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Granted, that's just one man's opinion but it's potentially something the other teams are keeping an eye on.[/quote]


Like a jackass huh? That's funny

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[quote=redsk1;424703]It looks as if Colt Brennan didn't impress too much at the Senior Bowl this year. I believe some GM's feel as if he's a product of a great offensive system. They are questioning his mechanics, release points, and some question his physical stature.

For a guy that's set all kinds of records and can obviously play, should we draft him if he slides to the 3rd-5th round of the draft.

I think you've got to take a chance on him if he slides to the 4th round or later (i believe we have a 4th....no i didn't research it). Yes, i know JC is our guy, but why not take a chance to groom someone that could work on mechanics and build strength. Then in a couple years, who knows...Good qb's are hard to find and everyone wants one. Think of Rivers/Brees. Thoughts?[/quote]

NOOOOOOO!!!!! I'd rather us bring back Brunell to play 3rd string than draft this guy. He IS NOT pro material and we have too many other needs than wasting a draft pick on someone who doesn't have a chance to play anytime soon.

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Granted, that's just one man's opinion but it's potentially something the other teams are keeping an eye on.[/QUOTE]

Have you seen any pictures of him? He looks like a total tool. I've also seen a few interviews of the guy and came away less than impressed.

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Granted, that's just one man's opinion but it's potentially something the other teams are keeping an eye on.[/quote]

Yeah, i've heard him interview on the radio and he came off really well. I've seen him on TV and he didn't come accross as well. Maybe its just a look or personality thing...not sure.

I know that he got into a little trouble a few years ago but I believe he's been a model citizen since.

Sounds like it he would be a project, and of course our scouts would have to do some due diligence, but might be worth a look.

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Not quotes you like to hear about a QB prospect, even a late round guy:

"In June Jone's system, even Timmy Chang :vomit:excelled."
"The best thing for Brennan to do is face some serious competition his senior year, but that is not to be the case. Only Boise St. brings a quality defense."
"He throws too many interceptions, needs to develop more patience and improve his footwork"

He blew up competition in the WAC, only weighs 190, is "barely 6'2", and a "comes across as a jackass" (LOL). Let Mike Martz draft him.

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here is a scouting report for him:
[quote]Position: Quarterback
School: Hawaii

Status: Senior

Height: 6-2

Weight: 195

40-Yard Dash: 4.90

Positives:
Brennan possesses a very live arm with surprising accuracy. Possibly the quickest release among all the quarterbacks in the draft. He's athletic enough to evade a pass rush and roll out, but not much else. Brennan stands tall in the pocket and makes quick decisions, understanding where to place the ball, and sometimes seems to be able to read opposing coverages, which will lower his learning curve in the NFL.
Negatives:
Colt's a bit light at somewhere between 190 and 200 pounds, but has the frame to get to a better playing weight for an NFL QB. Because he will inevitably draw the “system quarterback” label due to his time in coach June Jones' pass-happy system, he will have to test very well at the Combine and in workouts. He's sometimes too willing to throw to an outlet receiver when he has a man open farther downfield.
Overview:
Brennan's an odd prospect. On one hand, he looks like he could be the second coming of Joe Montana, with a strong arm and a natural feel for the game. But on the other, there's significant doubt about how much of his success is his, and how much of it is the system he was in.[/quote]

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The scouting report failed to mention that Brennan's "negatives" includes being a massive douche bag.

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Brennen is one of the most accurate passers in this draft. Given he threw a few ints, his completion rating is still over 70% for three years. I live in Hawaii and have been watching him for some time now. He is the greatest thing that ever happened to Hawaii football, and had to deal with the preasure of the whole state on his shoulders week after week. There were many times this year where he wasn't having a very good game but would still drive down for the winning touchdown. He can handle pressure, and he has the composure to drive down for the winning/tying score. He is developed enough for a pro system, especially a passing system (Jim Zorn's system). I say if he falls to the fifth or sixth snag him and keep him as our third stringer, you never know who will be the next tom brady.

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I haven't heard much good about him since I watched he & his boys get pummelled by Georgia. But to be fair, there are a lot of qb's who are "prospects" that might not be as good. We really need to get a young qb to be our #3 & groom as an eventual #2.

I can't see taking Colt in the 3rd, there are too many good players available that have a higher probability of success. In the 5th maybe at best.

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Wow, this is very different from what I heard yesterday. Colt Brennan was on NFL radio and the GM on before him said that he was one of the nicest guys he's met (this was over the phone, etc). I don't want to touch him, and the GM said he had some really big flaws in his game, but said he was a top notch guy.

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You're not going to find a much bigger Colt Brennan fan than me, and I would prefer not to draft him before round 5. I think he has the attitude to be a good player. The kid had to walk on at Hawai'i, they barely even recruit and he couldn't get a scholarship... Anyway, the kid likes to prove people wrong and he CAN throw the ball. He's got as quick a release as I've seen out of a college QB, but he does throw some picks.

I, personally, think that saying he "throws a lot of picks" is a dumb statement because he also throws a lot of touchdowns. Picks are going to happen when you have to throw 50 times a game.

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Not sure if you guys watched him in the Senior Bowl, but he looked awful. I don't even think he would make a good backup. He belongs in the CFL, not the NFL.

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I really like Colt. I Never heard of this jackass thing, but if its true no way we waste our time with him. This top 100 in the draft has him last. If he turns out to not be a jackass and falls to 150 thats about late round 4, which I guess we gave up to get Pete Kendell.

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Tom Brady was a late pick so the experts arent always right

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[QUOTE=mauiRedskinbarn;424761]Brennen is one of the most accurate passers in this draft. Given he threw a few ints, his completion rating is still over 70% for three years. I live in Hawaii and have been watching him for some time now. He is the greatest thing that ever happened to Hawaii football, and had to deal with the preasure of the whole state on his shoulders week after week. There were many times this year where he wasn't having a very good game but would still drive down for the winning touchdown. He can handle pressure, and he has the composure to drive down for the winning/tying score. He is developed enough for a pro system, especially a passing system (Jim Zorn's system). I say if he falls to the fifth or sixth snag him and keep him as our third stringer, you never know who will be the next tom brady.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you.
I planned my trip to Hawaii for almost 2 years, and because I did that, I followed Hawaii football more than I normally would have. Even when I was there about a month ago (I was even staying on Waikiki beach when they had their parade and it was a shame Jones wasn't there), I talked with several people about Brennan, and he is nothing short of a cult hero there. Not a single person mentioned he had a poor "attitude". I think people that are calling him a douche bag, or poor attitude person are listening to a rumor by someone. I just don't think it's true.
Brennan is a winner, and you can't teach that. Sure he looked bad at the senior bowl, and he is a product of the June Jones system. But everyone is a system QB. Doesn't matter who you are. Because Brennan flourished in Jones' system doesn't mean he can't do well in another system. Tom Brady does great in Belechick's system, does that mean he's a system QB? Manning does well in Moore's system, does that mean he's a system QB? Please note I am not comparing Brady / Manning to Brennan, just pointing out how these players did well under the same exact system their entire career.
I agree with Mauiredskinbarn, this kid has something special. He had many comebacks that it looked and felt like he would singlehandedly put the team on his shoulders and will them to win despite large odds against him. If we can take a chance on a useless Palmer, why not Brennan? ESPECIALLY in the 5th round!!!

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[quote=jsarno;424805]I agree with you.
I planned my trip to Hawaii for almost 2 years, and because I did that, I followed Hawaii football more than I normally would have. Even when I was there about a month ago (I was even staying on Waikiki beach when they had their parade and it was a shame Jones wasn't there), I talked with several people about Brennan, and he is nothing short of a cult hero there. Not a single person mentioned he had a poor "attitude". I think people that are calling him a douche bag, or poor attitude person are listening to a rumor by someone. I just don't think it's true.
Brennan is a winner, and you can't teach that. Sure he looked bad at the senior bowl, and he is a product of the June Jones system. But everyone is a system QB. Doesn't matter who you are. Because Brennan flourished in Jones' system doesn't mean he can't do well in another system. Tom Brady does great in Belechick's system, does that mean he's a system QB? Manning does well in Moore's system, does that mean he's a system QB? Please note I am not comparing Brady / Manning to Brennan, just pointing out how these players did well under the same exact system their entire career.
I agree with Mauiredskinbarn, this kid has something special. He had many comebacks that it looked and felt like he would singlehandedly put the team on his shoulders and will them to win despite large odds against him. If we can take a chance on a useless Palmer, why not Brennan? ESPECIALLY in the 5th round!!![/quote]

Exactly. If we can waste a pick on Palmer why not Brennan?

I think people see him and think he's a "douchebag," however if you just listen to him he comes accross ok.

He'll most likely go before the 5th round but you never know.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;424825]Exactly. If we can waste a pick on Palmer why not Brennan?

I think people see him and think he's a "douchebag," however if you just listen to him he comes accross ok.

He'll most likely go before the 5th round but you never know.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know what Mel Kiper is saying as to where this kid will go?
(he's the only guy I really listen to when it comes to mock drafts)

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Taylor Jacobs is a great guy, We should give him another shot!

I would like a locker room full of nice guys but its not going to happen.
If he plays with a chip on his shoulder, That could give him the edge he needs to make it in the NFL.
I wouldnt Mind using a 5th on him.

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The guy looks like a douche, but yeah that's really neither here nor there. I have read about him, seen his highlight clips and realize he's done a lot of good things. I do question, however, whether a 185 lb. QB can survive the hits that will surely come in the NFL.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;424852]The guy looks like a douche, but yeah that's really neither here nor there. I have read about him, seen his highlight clips and realize he's done a lot of good things. I do question, however, whether a 185 lb. QB can survive the hits that will surely come in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

I absolutely agree with you, however, his playing weight was higher until he got sick and lost a lot of weight. As the scouting report says, he has the frame to put on more weight and be NFL ready. Send him to Dunkin Donuts and he'll be fine. :D

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Colt is a project piece..I think personally i would take him if still availiable late. He won't be starting material yet but fantasy world thinking if we nab Johnson we have Moss,cooley and El. If colt was back there look out

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mel probably has him in round 5. that profile talks of a lively arm, but it sure looked like a total noodle in the senior bowl (and all the practices). plus he's short, slow, and 186 lbs.

troy smith was a MUCH better option last year, and he only went in the 5th.

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no way. the second coming of Tommy Chang. i know everyone out there just said "who"? product of a good system. and sheriff, tell us how you really feel:)

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This guy is a run-and-shoot/shotgun-only QB... get him in a pro-style offense and he'll get killed. He lost his only game this year against real competition (I don't consider Boise State real). I heard (Sirius NFL radio) that many GMs (there are teams that have authentic GMs) don't think he's worthy of a roster spot.

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7820476/Brennan-has-to-overcome-poor-reviews-at-combine"]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Brennan has to overcome poor reviews at combine[/URL]

Why would you draft a QB who's ceiling is backup?

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[quote=redsk1;424825]Exactly. If we can waste a pick on Palmer why not Brennan?[/quote]

I mean this in the most respectful way. That's ludicrous reasoning.

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[quote=EEich;425002]This guy is a run-and-shoot/shotgun-only QB... get him in a pro-style offense and he'll get killed. He lost his only game this year against real competition (I don't consider Boise State real). I heard (Sirius NFL radio) that many GMs (there are teams that have authentic GMs) don't think he's worthy of a roster spot.

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7820476/Brennan-has-to-overcome-poor-reviews-at-combine"]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Brennan has to overcome poor reviews at combine[/URL]

Why would you draft a QB who's ceiling is backup?[/quote]

I watched the Georgia game and his oline got him killed in that game so take that into consideration. He had no time and got killed.

I guess that's why i brought it up. CB got some poor reviews and is going to slide down in the draft. Are his weaknesses things he can work on? Strength, release points, etc. He's obviously got some major talent. Would he be worth a late draft pick?

Alot of the time late picks don't work out. Some do, some don't. Last year i believe we drafted Sartz, Palmer in the late rounds. The year prior we got some talent in the late rounds. Why not take a gamble or consider someone who's as talented as CB? We took a gamble on other players. Sometimes late round picks are gambles.

Of course our scouting dept/personell has got to do some due diligence etc. But is it worth checking out, sure.

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Colt is the Next Tom Brady. Plain and simple. Too small, too slow, too arrogant, blah, blah, blah. Whatever.

The guy has had achievements through adversity. I firmly believe that he is going to end up being the best QB in this years draft when it is all said and done. He makes plays and he has a heart. That is all you need.

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From ESPN's [URL="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks?tag=combine"]Hashmark's[/URL]:

[B]Brennan: Life's not fair [/B]
February 22, 2008 12:14 PM

Hawaii quarterback Colt Brennan just wrapped up what will likely be the longest interview session of the combine. Brennan spent most of his 45 minutes talking about his 2004 arrest for burglary and trespassing at the University of Colorado. In case you've never heard the story, a drunken Brennan walked into a female student's dorm room uninvited, and was later sentenced to seven days in jail and four years probation.

Brennan is also answering a lot of questions about his relative lack of size and strange arm motion. He said the time he spent salvaging his college career after the 2004 incident has prepared him for the scrutiny he's now facing.

"To here the criticism, it almost puts me at ease," he said. "What I went through was a great learning ground for what the NFL will be like. The situation is a positive now."

But if Brennan handles his team interviews like he handled the media today, I think he'll have some problems. He talked about turning his crime into a positive, but then he kept dwelling on the fact that he was treated unfairly after being convicted. Teams don't want to hear a bunch of whining.

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Lets just waste another draft pick on a QB. Those two Bozo's have drafted a QB every year except 1. Lets not use our picks for some other team to benifit latter. SAGE Rosenfels.

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[quote=angryssg;425041][B]Colt is the Next Tom Brady[/B]. Plain and simple. Too small, too slow, too arrogant, blah, blah, blah. Whatever.

The guy has had achievements through adversity. I firmly believe that he is going to end up being the best QB in this years draft when it is all said and done. He makes plays and he has a heart. That is all you need.[/quote]
you are starting to scare me. remember how offiss was with Patrick Ramsey?

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we skip em...

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screw that product of a good system crap....Peyton is a product of a good system,Montana flips shoes with Boomer and fate would be different..what good player isn't a product of a good system really?

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Doesn't the Georgia game say enough???No

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;425233]Doesn't the Georgia game say enough???No[/QUOTE]

okay and how many times did florida kick Peytons head in?

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brennan doesn't have the arm or poise of brady and brady was bigger and taller too. I'll take that bet if you want though ;).

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[QUOTE=That Guy;425250]brennan doesn't have the arm or poise of brady and brady was bigger and taller too. I'll take that bet if you want though ;).[/QUOTE]

Maybe taller, but brady was so frail when he entered the nfl.