Do we have anyone we can off-load for Picks.
 

I know that I"m not very strong with stats, and cap talk and all that, but do you think we have anyone we could trade off for draft picks? Since the FO seems to have backed off the "lets build a team through Free agency", would it be possible to make some trades for picks, instead of us giving ours away?

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Good question!!

Springs was mentioned in trade talks w/Denver last year, but I believe he only has 1 yr. left on his deal & at 7mil it isn't that enticing. I hope Springs is back here though.

Of course, last year we debated Betts' value, but I just don't see us getting enough in return for him. I'd also hate to see him go.

There's nobody I want to see traded other than Loyd, which would be a miracle if someone were to bite on. I'm sure there are a few guys we could value for, but I wonder if it would be enough to justify it.

I think the capologists are best to answer this one.

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McCardell, Collins, Springs, Moss?

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[quote=Campbell17;409321]McCardell, Collins, Springs, Moss?[/quote]


Moss? Come on...and I think we all see how important Springs is now, to get a similar calibar corner without drafting one will take a lot of money. McCardell, did he sign for more than a year? Collins is too old to have any value

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McCardell & Collins are both free agents & over 35! Can't trade em if we wanted to.

Moss & Springs are possibilities. I don't want to see Moss go as I think he is still needed. We'd have to get a lot to give him up IMO. He's our only deep threat.

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;409323]Moss? Come on...and I think we all see how important Springs is now, to get a similar calibar corner without drafting one will take a lot of money. McCardell, did he sign for more than a year? Collins is too old to have any value[/quote]

I thought I read recently that Springs likely will not be back with the team next year at all. I don't think we can part with anyone who would bring any value. McCardell is old as the hills and Collins is paid too well.

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we can hold for betts for now, we can look for a trade for griffin, washington, jansen, and sad to say thomas. these are the guys who has still has it but unfortunately they cannot stay healthy
I can say this is true for moss and portis but I believe that the guys I mention earlier can be replaced/rebuild thru our draft picks

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[quote=Twilbert07;409325]I thought I read recently that Springs likely will not be back with the team next year at all. I don't think we can part with anyone who would bring any value. McCardell is old as the hills and Collins is paid too well.[/quote]
Collins late season flare could bring some interest to a young team with a developing qb, and collins can take the reigns while the qb is learning. I'd be okay without springs if smoot and rogers can stay safe.

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[quote=bertoskins2;409326]we can hold for betts for now, we can look for a trade for griffin, washington, jansen, and sad to say thomas. these are the guys who has still has it but unfortunately they cannot stay healthy
I can say this is true for moss and portis but I believe that the guys I mention earlier can be replaced/rebuild thru our draft picks[/quote]

you can't just trade anybody...and none of those guys mentioned in the first half of this post would bring a decent pick..so what's the point, may as well just keep them. You do need SOME veterans.

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Mark Brunell

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lol - we'd be lucky to get an 8th round pick for Brunell.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;409338]lol - we'd be lucky to get an 8th round pick for Brunell.[/QUOTE]

LOL! Maybe the 21st round!

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[quote=onlydarksets;409338]lol - we'd be lucky to get an 8th round pick for Brunell.[/quote]

If we could just trade him to ourselves I bet we could get a 3rd ... :)

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;409342]If we could just trade him to ourselves I bet we could get a 3rd ... :)[/quote]

[U]That[/U] is funny (because it's true).

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[quote=hagams;409306]I know that I"m not very strong with stats, and cap talk and all that, but do you think we have anyone we could trade off for draft picks? Since the FO seems to have backed off the "lets build a team through Free agency", would it be possible to make some trades for picks, instead of us giving ours away?[/quote]

This isn't Madden. You can't get swing players around and get draft picks like you're in dynasty mode.

The stuff rarely happens unless its done on draft day.

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There are a couple deals that could come up near or on draft day. Just like last year w/the briggs for Rocky & #6 pick that never happened. I could see the tuna offering the #1 for our #21 + a player (actually Rocky might draw some interest if he's healing well).

The problem is that we have a rep for trading up & not trading back to get more picks. With the draft chart points that the nfl has, most teams seem to value their picks more too. At least we are at a place in the draft at #21 where some teams will trade their 2nd round pick to move up if they like a player a lot. It would be sweet to see the Skins get an extra pick or two, even if it's for the following year.

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We could theoretically trade the following players, and at the same time get cap relief by offloading their contracts:

Shawn Springs
Cornelius Griffin
Marcus Washington
Casey Rabach
Phillip Daniels
Todd Wade
Pete Kendall
Ladell Betts
James Thrash
Mike Sellers
Demetric Evans
Rocky McIntosh
Todd Yoder
Khary Campbell

[B]Every other player [/B]is either a free agent (you can't trade a guy not signed) or would cost us cap space to trade away.

As I look at the list above, most of those guys are direly needed on this team (Marcus Washington, Casey Rabach, Mike Sellers, Cornelius Griffin, Rocky McIntosh) or wouldn't yield jack squat in a trade (Khary Campbell, Todd Wade, James Thrash).

It's not likely we'll trade anybody away.

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[quote=Schneed10;409415]We could theoretically trade the following players, and at the same time get cap relief by offloading their contracts:

[B]Shawn Springs[/B]
[B]Cornelius Griffin[/B]
[B]Marcus Washington[/B]
Casey Rabach
Phillip Daniels
Todd Wade
Pete Kendall
Ladell Betts
James Thrash
Mike Sellers
Demetric Evans
Rocky McIntosh
Todd Yoder
Khary Campbell

[B]Every other player [/B]is either a free agent (you can't trade a guy not signed) or would cost us cap space to trade away.

As I look at the list above, most of those guys are direly needed on this team (Marcus Washington, Casey Rabach, Mike Sellers, Cornelius Griffin, Rocky McIntosh) or wouldn't yield jack squat in a trade (Khary Campbell, Todd Wade, James Thrash).

It's not likely we'll trade anybody away.[/quote]

Schneed I would add that most teams in the NFL that have good GM's would probably stay away from the Redskins I put in bold due to their contract size (unless the team acquiring the player was able to renegotiate the contract beforehand).

I think the only other name that could garner any compensation is Rocky and Sellers, but Rocky's injuries would limit what we could get for him right now and Sellers is too valuable to the Skins to consider trading.

My take is I don't see the Skins trading anyone unless some team out there can be duped into taking Brandon Llyod - if we could score a coup like we did in the Adam Archuleta deal that would be great, but I don't see any team out there gunning for Llyod like the Bears Lovie Smith wanting Adam.

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[quote=freddyg12;409414]There are a couple deals that could come up near or on draft day. Just like last year w/the briggs for Rocky & #6 pick that never happened. I could see the tuna offering the #1 for our #21 + a player (actually Rocky might draw some interest if he's healing well).

The problem is that we have a rep for trading up & not trading back to get more picks. With the draft chart points that the nfl has, most teams seem to value their picks more too. At least we are at a place in the draft at #21 where some teams will trade their 2nd round pick to move up if they like a player a lot. [B]It would be sweet to see the Skins get an extra pick or two, even if it's for the following year[/B].[/quote]

That would be awesome if they could trade down - but like you said most teams covet picks and don't like to trade up. Plus there are a lot of teams that have owners that don't like to fork out massive signing bonuses, so finding any takers to trade down with is all the more difficult - I think a lot of us forget that Dan Synder and Jerry Jones are the rare cases of an owner willing to spend anything to win - if you go to places like Minnesota and other small market cities you'll find owners that either can't or are unwilling to spend the cash to make deals work.

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everyone's trade value is lower than their usefulness to us, so the answer is no, not really.

betts was worth a LOT more last offseason after that great second half, but now his value's back down again. The only real value we could get is for campbell, but that'd be pretty bloody stupid.

meanwhile:
patrick ramsey for A.O. (chi DE)... OOPS!
mcintosh for lance briggs (chi LB)... oops.

so, i'd say our ownership overvalues its unproven players a bit too much.

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The simple answer is that the players who will bring you either high draft picks or multiple draft picks are exactly the ones you really don't want to trade. :twocents:

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;409338]lol - we'd be lucky to get an 8th round pick for Brunell.[/QUOTE]

thats not true,could it be possible that theres maybe another coach out there that sees in Brunell what Gibbs saw in him and will give up a number 1 pick for him?
:yeahright :lol:

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I say trading Rogers would be a smart move and free up space to get another early round CB and/ or S or signing someone like FA Asanti Samuel. Rogers has played poor, has a serious injury and in my opinion isn't as physical as he needs to be to handle #1 or #2 NFL WR's. And well every receiver in the league burns him. Repeatedly. Noone gonna trade for Brunell or Lloyd or Wade. I just hope we can keep Sellers for atleast 1-2 more seasons. He compliments our running backs very well. I miss GIbbs already...

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb;409607]I say trading Rogers would be a smart move and free up space to get another early round CB and/ or S or signing someone like FA Asanti Samuel. Rogers has played poor, has a serious injury and in my opinion isn't as physical as he needs to be to handle #1 or #2 NFL WR's. And well every receiver in the league burns him. Repeatedly.[/QUOTE]

Then why would anyone want him?

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give us your best players for the garbage we're going to cut anyways.

roger's is good enough to be a #2 or #3, and he knows the system and the players, so we might as well keep him until we're sure we've got something better in house.

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Like the rest of ya I don't see much trade value on our roster to acquire a nice draft pick. The possibility (outside of trading JC which would be dumb as hell) of a trade for Portis [I]and[/I] an o-lineman (I would prefer trading JJ) could garner some value in certain scenarios. CP is an awesome back for any young qb in the league because he protects so damn well and does all kinds of things to help his qb out. And JJ is a vet lineman. I don't know how I would feel about losing Portis. I like Betts more and more so if we started to hear good things about Mason then I suppose a trade for a nice pick would be ok (no lower than 2nd round).

But... does anyone else wonder if the events of last season somehow lower the value of the guys on our roster? I'm thinking about how other organizations might be unsure of a guy who was real close to Sean but no longer wears the burgandy and gold. I sort feel like our guys are real Redskins (except for B. Lloyd) and I hope we just acquire the talent we need through the draft.

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You mean besides CAmpbell, Cooley, Portis, Moss, Samuels, Washington and Landry?

I don't think we would get a high draft pick for any of our other players. Besides, real GMs know that you can get solid role players with low draft picks and undrafted free agents, along with a few well selected veteran free agents. They don't have to trade.

There's always the option of trading down the first round pick for a second and third round pick. That was a big topic last year. I think the front office made some calls last year and found no takers. But, may as well start up the talk now!

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only one i see us possiable trading is s.moss. because of his vaule ,cap # , and us looking for a more " west coast " wr. we could get an early 2nd this year and alittle something else either a 3rd or 4th this yr or next or a player. the chefs ,falcons ,raiders ,ravens ,bills and 49ers all have top 10 picks in the 2nd rnd and major need of a wr. and atleast one of thouse teams would want a proven comditte over a rookie.the bills have the 71st and 72 pick in the 3rd rnd and proberly would give on of thouse aswell. kcs been trying to dump lb k.bell and atl is trying to move deanglo hall.but of course to get hall it would proberly be moss and are 1st for hall and there 2 -or something to that affect. or the rav giving up t.suggs for moss and are 1st is another possiablity. i just think if where able to move anyone itll be moss. maybe even switching 1st rnd picks with the vikings and getting there 2nd this yr and a 3rd next.moss can be moved because of team needs ,bad free agent market on wr (r moss proberly resign and then theres b berrian and pretty much nobody)and teams getting tired of drafting a wr in the 1st rnd and them turning into bust (exspecally vik and atl). and the wr in this yrs draft class have potental bust written all over them. out of m kelly ,des jackson ,l sweed ,j hardy ,m mangim ,and e doucet (all possiable 1st rnders) ,i see half of them becoming bust. your next rashan woods ,troy edwards ,troy williamson ,charles johnson ,mike williams ,reggie williams ,sinorice moss ,ect .and if the skins really plan on bringing in a west coast wr to possiable be are #1 wr ,we cant have all that money tied up intowr and that many wr on the roster. and cant cut r el or llyod cause it would cost us to much.

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[quote=Campbell17;409321]McCardell, Collins, Springs, Moss?[/quote]Two of those guys aren't under contract, and Moss' value isn't very high right now.

Someone would be interested in Springs, but we'd be lucky to land a 6th rounder for a 33 year old corner.

So, yes, we can get picks for our players, but we'd be on the losing side of the deal.

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Ledell Betts. Montgomery maybe... and I'd say Randle El

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First player that comes to mind is Cornelius Griffin. He always seems to be bothered by injuries so he never plays at 100%. We'd be just as good with Montgomery and Golston starting. Betts, Collins, Sellers, have a lot of value but we shouldn't trade them.

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[quote=freddyg12;409318]Good question!!

Springs was mentioned in trade talks w/Denver last year, but I believe he only has 1 yr. left on his deal & at 7mil it isn't that enticing. I hope Springs is back here though.

Of course, last year we debated Betts' value, but I just don't see us getting enough in return for him. I'd also hate to see him go.

There's nobody I want to see traded other than Loyd, which would be a miracle if someone were to bite on. I'm sure there are a few guys we could value for, but I wonder if it would be enough to justify it.

I think the capologists are best to answer this one.[/quote]

Springs at 7mil?? Ouch.

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Outside of Betts, I can't see anyone we could/would deal that would garner much of a pick. We're obviously not going to trade Landry, Campbell, Cooley, Portis, Moss.. Those are probably the only players that we could get anything significant (3rd round or higher) for and they're not going anywhere.

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[QUOTE=halodoc;424351]only one i see us possiable trading is s.moss. because of his vaule ,cap # , and us looking for a more " west coast " wr. we could get an early 2nd this year and alittle something else either a 3rd or 4th this yr or next or a player. the chefs ,falcons ,raiders ,ravens ,bills and 49ers all have top 10 picks in the 2nd rnd and major need of a wr. and atleast one of thouse teams would want a proven comditte over a rookie.the bills have the 71st and 72 pick in the 3rd rnd and proberly would give on of thouse aswell. kcs been trying to dump lb k.bell and atl is trying to move deanglo hall.but of course to get hall it would proberly be moss and are 1st for hall and there 2 -or something to that affect. or the rav giving up t.suggs for moss and are 1st is another possiablity. i just think if where able to move anyone itll be moss. maybe even switching 1st rnd picks with the vikings and getting there 2nd this yr and a 3rd next.moss can be moved because of team needs ,bad free agent market on wr (r moss proberly resign and then theres b berrian and pretty much nobody)and teams getting tired of drafting a wr in the 1st rnd and them turning into bust (exspecally vik and atl). and the wr in this yrs draft class have potental bust written all over them. out of m kelly ,des jackson ,l sweed ,j hardy ,m mangim ,and e doucet (all possiable 1st rnders) ,i see half of them becoming bust. your next rashan woods ,troy edwards ,troy williamson ,charles johnson ,mike williams ,reggie williams ,sinorice moss ,ect .and if the skins really plan on bringing in a west coast wr to possiable be are #1 wr ,we cant have all that money tied up intowr and that many wr on the roster. and cant cut r el or llyod cause it would cost us to much.[/QUOTE]

Dude.. Punctuation and paragraphs are your friends.

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Redskins should've traded Brunell this past season, I think Atlanta wanted him when they were desperate for a QB after Vick was out.

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Yep it be tough and I wouldn't want to see Moss leave

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mk... trade betts, griffin, and mcintosh.

betts and mcintosh for the #1 to miami. Ricky Williams wont produce.

#1-#21

use 21 for that FS from Miami, I forget his name right now cause im smacked, but he's what that pick should be used for. use #1 for a CB, or even a WR.

Trade Griffin for an extra 2nd round.... late probably. draft o line from then on out. we still got Khary, Washington, and Fletcher. HB is going to be solid, and if Godfrey stays, we have all the depth we need at LB. We could get that #1 from Parcells for Betts and McIntosh. Everyone says Ladell isn't as productive, but Parcells is a smart guy. He would use Ladell as his work horse, and make the HC develop the offense around his running style. I know that would work, excusing all the cap stuff blazayblah...


Also, if we get a stud CB, we can hang/maim/shoot/trade/lynch Carlos Rogers. He is fast, and I'm sure someone in the league sees potential. Trade him for a pick next year, or some depth at DL.

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anyone with real trade value is someone you wouldn't want to trade.

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[quote=XXVI;424479]mk... trade betts, griffin, and mcintosh.

betts and mcintosh for the #1 to miami. Ricky Williams wont produce.

#1-#21

use 21 for that FS from Miami, I forget his name right now cause im smacked, but he's what that pick should be used for. use #1 for a CB, or even a WR.

Trade Griffin for an extra 2nd round.... late probably. draft o line from then on out. we still got Khary, Washington, and Fletcher. HB is going to be solid, and if Godfrey stays, we have all the depth we need at LB. We could get that #1 from Parcells for Betts and McIntosh. Everyone says Ladell isn't as productive, but Parcells is a smart guy. He would use Ladell as his work horse, and make the HC develop the offense around his running style. I know that would work, excusing all the cap stuff blazayblah...


Also, if we get a stud CB, we can hang/maim/shoot/trade/lynch Carlos Rogers. He is fast, and I'm sure someone in the league sees potential. Trade him for a pick next year, or some depth at DL.[/quote]

hoping this isn't serious, but if you threw portis and moss in, those FOUR together wouldn't get you the #1 pick.

but while we're at it, let's trade lloyd for CJ.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;424487]hoping this isn't serious, but if you threw portis and moss in, those FOUR together wouldn't get you the #1 pick.[/QUOTE]

I think once you get to the point where he says "right now I'm smacked" that's the cue to disregard his entire post.