Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize
 

I'm sure everyone's heard by now. I think this is pretty impressive. My question is, if he did decide to run do you think that he would be able to win over enough republicans to win an election? I am a registered republican (put down the eggs, dmek) but I think I would have to seriously consider voting for him pending some research.

*let's keep this civil. no need for namecalling or hyperbole. There's plenty of that on TV.

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It has no real meaning since "Master Terrorist" Yasser Arafat recieved the award.

At a ceremony in Oslo, Norway on December 10, 1994 Yasser Arafat, master terrorist, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The prize was awarded jointly to Arafat, Israel's Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres "for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East." The three were granted the prestigious prize, prematurely as it turned out, for their roles in the historic Oslo Accords signed the previous year and their committment to the Peace Process envisioned by the Accords. After generations of warfare and terrorism, it seemed peace was at hand.

There has been much negative press suggesting Gore's lifestyle does not support his.......Green acclaims. Gigantic inefficient house's, private jets, HUGE carbon footprints trampling all he claims to be protecting, etc.

BTW, if you are considering Gore as your guy, the National Repulican commitee has asked me to notify you, that your Republican license to practice in this hemishere has been revoked.....forever.
Congrats, you are now a Dem

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Re: Nobel Prize is meaningless. I disagree. This is one of the most prestigous awards in the entire world. To simply disregard it because someone disagreeable once won is a little bit of an overreaction, imho.

Re: Gore's green lifestyle. Not the first time I heard this arguement. I can't say what the guy does or does not do in his private life. I have heard him say that he is in the process of getting his properties equipped with the "greenest" gear possible but that it takes time. Truly, I don't care if he doesn't live the ideal environmentalist lifestyle, as long as he has continues to bring attention to important issues and focus on fixing said issues.

Re: Considering Gore making me a democrat. I am registered as a Republican because I share some very important ideals with the party. I am for less government as opposed to more. I have some personal conservative values. But I am tired of divisive government. I want a candidate that everyone can at least follow if not completely believe in. I am not saying Gore is that person, I'm saying it's blatantly irresponsible to refuse to consider someone based on their affiliation. Simply registering as a republican does not require me to "put the blinders on" and vote the party way all of the time. Doing just that on both sides is what has screwed this country up as bad as it is right now.

I am so tired of extremism. You can't just be a moderate, open minded person. If you're a republican, you've got to be ultra-conservative right wing. If you're democrat, you have to ultra-liberal left wing. It seems like this country is being ruled by the margins and the vast majority of us in the middle are left out of the loop. It's a shitty situation we find ourselves in and without ranting too much more, I guess the point of this thread is this: Do you think that Al Gore is someone that a majority of Americans can get behind and if not, who do you think is?

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Didn't mean to get you jacked up, Bleed, but the Nobel process was so severe in 94' (if memory serves), that some of the voting committee resigned, refusing to be part of the prositution of the most prestgious "peace" prize on earth awarded to a "Master Terrorist".
Lead by example. Gore has not done that. His new found .....greeness is in response to the negative press he has recieved regarding his personal lifestyle.


However, I agree with you on a couple of points. I also am sick and tired of this govt. Niether Dem or Rep has made a signifigant positive contribution to this country, when MUCH is needed. I have in the past, and would again vote across party lines for a candidate that would REALLY try to fix the USA.
I do not see that person, or it cannot be done in it's current form. On that note, I am not sure we can be saved the way we are.
Revolution???

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I'm right with you... lol

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[QUOTE=Hog1;362855] On that note, I am not sure we can be saved the way we are.[QUOTE]

That question is what scares the hell out of me.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;362860][quote=Hog1;362855] On that note, I am not sure we can be saved the way we are.[quote]

That question is what scares the hell out of me.[/quote]
HTTR BB!

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[quote=Hog1;362845]It has no real meaning since "Master Terrorist" Yasser Arafat recieved the award.[/quote]

Because Arafat won it it's worthless? What about the worthy people who have won it? You're completely dissing their accomplishments as worthy of a worthless prize.

As for Arafat may I remind you he won the prize WITH Yitzhak Rabin FOR trying to bring an end the middle east conflict. A desired and admirable goal.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;362837]I'm sure everyone's heard by now. I think this is pretty impressive. [B]My question is, if he did decide to run do you think that he would be able to win over enough republicans to win an election?[/B] I am a registered republican (put down the eggs, dmek) but I think I would have to seriously consider voting for him pending some research.

*let's keep this civil. no need for namecalling or hyperbole. There's plenty of that on TV.[/QUOTE]

I think he would be hard pressed to win over anybody. I don't like responding to threads regarding politics or religion, but I couldn't help myself on this one. At least I can be thankful that I was able to respond to this via the "Internet" thanks to Al Gore.

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[quote=Hog1;362845]It has no real meaning since "Master Terrorist" Yasser Arafat recieved the award.

At a ceremony in Oslo, Norway on December 10, 1994 Yasser Arafat, master terrorist, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The prize was awarded jointly to Arafat, Israel's Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres "for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East." The three were granted the prestigious prize, prematurely as it turned out, for their roles in the historic Oslo Accords signed the previous year and their committment to the Peace Process envisioned by the Accords. After generations of warfare and terrorism, it seemed peace was at hand.

There has been much negative press suggesting Gore's lifestyle does not support his.......Green acclaims. Gigantic inefficient house's, private jets, HUGE carbon footprints trampling all he claims to be protecting, etc.

BTW, if you are considering Gore as your guy, the National Repulican commitee has asked me to notify you, that your Republican license to practice in this hemishere has been revoked.....forever.
Congrats, you are now a Dem[/quote]

Beat me to it. Gore joins the ranks of terrorists like Arafat, screwups like Jimmy Carter and nobodies who have won this award. Congrats, Mr. Gore. This "award" is meaningless...such noble men as Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini have had nominations approved by the committee and could've won. This, much like the U.N. is a group of elitists with a political agenda, they're not interested in peace or even making a positive contribution to the world.

Hilarious, Gore wins this prize the week after England courts mandated that any school showing his film (the reason the Nobellies are kissing him) must inform the students of 11 major lies in the movie before letting them view it.

[url=http://newparty.co.uk/articles/inaccuracies-gore.html]Inaccuracies in Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth - The New Party Articles[/url]

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;362849]Re: Nobel Prize is meaningless. I disagree. This is one of the most prestigous awards in the entire world. To simply disregard it because someone disagreeable once won is a little bit of an overreaction, imho.
[/quote]

Once? Ha...

This is another award like am Oscar or a good review from the New York Times. Often, the majority of people disagree with the group's decision. When people giving the award have an agenda, they ignore things like for example, actual movie revenues, book sales and in the case of the Nobel, facts.

Gore doesn't do his own research, which is obvious when he's in a debate on the subject against REAL scientists. He is simply traveling around and reading a bunch of lines handed to him so he can make a ton of cash in speaking fees. If he was really concerned about the Earth, he'd practice what he preaches. He burns more energy in his private jets and huge homes that he never visits in one week than all of us combined do in a year, let WE are supposed to give up our cars and buy $10 lightbulbs that will poison the Earth when we have to throw them out (high mercury content).

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[QUOTE=Buster;362911]Once? Ha...

This is another award like am Oscar or a good review from the New York Times. Often, the majority of people disagree with the group's decision. When people giving the award have an agenda, they ignore things like for example, actual movie revenues, book sales and in the case of the Nobel, facts.

Gore doesn't do his own research, which is obvious when he's in a debate on the subject against REAL scientists. He is simply traveling around and reading a bunch of lines handed to him so he can make a ton of cash in speaking fees. If he was really concerned about the Earth, he'd practice what he preaches. He burns more energy in his private jets and huge homes that he never visits in one week than all of us combined do in a year, let WE are supposed to give up our cars and buy $10 lightbulbs that will poison the Earth when we have to throw them out (high mercury content).[/QUOTE]

I still think a worldwide recognition of those making positive contributions in keys areas is worthy of respect. The fact that there have been less than admirable selections at times is inconsequential. The fact that there have been despicable nominees in not surprising as anyone can be nominated provided they have the right backing. That speaks to nothing regarding the quality of the award.

Regarding Gore doing scientific research... that's not his job nor is it a reasonable expectation of him or any other politician. His role is to bring attention, key discussion and make associated policy. I don't care if he can't brake down the molecular construction of ozone, as long as he can implement effective policy that limits the destruction of said layer.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;362837]I'm sure everyone's heard by now. I think this is pretty impressive. My question is, if he did decide to run do you think that he would be able to win over enough republicans to win an election? I am a registered republican (put down the eggs, dmek) but I think I would have to seriously consider voting for him pending some research.

*let's keep this civil. no need for namecalling or hyperbole. There's plenty of that on TV.[/QUOTE]

So if I'm reading you right, you're assuming that he's a lock to win the Democratic nomination should he run. And what you're asking is can he convince enough Republicans to switch over and vote Democrat.

It had been rumored a few months back that he was going to enter the fray in September, win the Democratic nomination, and name Barack as his VP candidate. I think, however, that a.) he's a little late to the party and can't assume that he'll get even the Dem nomination, and b.) he can probably offer more to his causes by continuing to work in the private sector.

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Woah, SS, I am making no such assumptions. I do not know if he would win the Democratic nomination. I'm asking whether or not he could engender enough trust within both parties to make him the most attractive democratic option. If that is the case than he would subsequently be the best choice to represent the democrats in the upcoming election.

I don't think he's too late. I think the last few elections we've seen this trend of starting the whole process earlier and earlier. What happens sometimes is that the over-saturation of the public with all of this exposure can have a negative effect on a candidates campaign. Coming in a little late can help negate that effect.

Your point about have more benefit in the private sector is a good one.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;362849]Re: Nobel Prize is meaningless. I disagree. This is one of the most prestigous awards in the entire world. To simply disregard it because someone disagreeable once won is a little bit of an overreaction, imho.

Re: Gore's green lifestyle. Not the first time I heard this arguement. I can't say what the guy does or does not do in his private life. I have heard him say that he is in the process of getting his properties equipped with the "greenest" gear possible but that it takes time. Truly, I don't care if he doesn't live the ideal environmentalist lifestyle, as long as he has continues to bring attention to important issues and focus on fixing said issues.

Re: Considering Gore making me a democrat. I am registered as a Republican because I share some very important ideals with the party. I am for less government as opposed to more. I have some personal conservative values. But I am tired of divisive government. I want a candidate that everyone can at least follow if not completely believe in. I am not saying Gore is that person, I'm saying it's blatantly irresponsible to refuse to consider someone based on their affiliation. Simply registering as a republican does not require me to "put the blinders on" and vote the party way all of the time. Doing just that on both sides is what has screwed this country up as bad as it is right now.

I am so tired of extremism. You can't just be a moderate, open minded person. If you're a republican, you've got to be ultra-conservative right wing. If you're democrat, you have to ultra-liberal left wing. It seems like this country is being ruled by the margins and the vast majority of us in the middle are left out of the loop. It's a shitty situation we find ourselves in and without ranting too much more, I guess the point of this thread is this: Do you think that Al Gore is someone that a majority of Americans can get behind and if not, who do you think is?[/quote]
So what your saying that Gore can preach to the world about this issue but its OK if he does not follow his own advise? So then why should I listen to what he has to say if he does not follow his own advise?

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I'm saying that if he brings up a topic and starts enough discussion to the point that you ask yourself that question, it's a positive. As positive as if he were "walking the walk?" No. But I'm not certain that what's been said regarding his personal habits is entirely true. There's alot of misinformation out there on both sides.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;362920]Woah, SS, I am making no such assumptions. I do not know if he would win the Democratic nomination. I'm asking whether or not he could engender enough trust within both parties to make him the most attractive democratic option. If that is the case than he would subsequently be the best choice to represent the democrats in the upcoming election. [/QUOTE]

Ok, I guess when you wrote "win over enough Republicans" I misunderstood you.

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No worries. I could have stated it more clearly.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;362917]I still think a worldwide recognition of those making positive contributions in keys areas is worthy of respect. The fact that there have been less than admirable selections at times is inconsequential. The fact that there have been despicable nominees in not surprising as anyone can be nominated provided they have the right backing. That speaks to nothing regarding the quality of the award.

Regarding Gore doing scientific research... that's not his job nor is it a reasonable expectation of him or any other politician. His role is to bring attention, key discussion and make associated policy. I don't care if he can't brake down the molecular construction of ozone, as long as he can implement effective policy that limits the destruction of said layer.[/quote]
Its his job to make sure that the facts that he presents are correct. If he is pushing for the US and World to change things then I would hope that he has had people check his facts to make sure that they are correct. Thats what makes his film and what he says so funny is that people just say its so serious that they do not even care if it is bassed of sound science.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;362933]Its his job to make sure that the facts that he presents are correct.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree. Sometimes you can nitpick things to the point that you miss the overall message, but yes, it's his job to make sure his facts are just that, facts.

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[quote=saden1;362895]Because Arafat won it it's worthless? What about the worthy people who have won it? You're completely dissing their accomplishments as worthy of a worthless prize.

As for Arafat may I remind you he won the prize WITH Yitzhak Rabin FOR trying to bring an end the middle east conflict. A desired and admirable goal.[/quote]

I am saying this.......award has become less than it once was because of political motivations. Some of the nominating commitee would substantiate that point as they resigned in protest at the time rather than allow Arafat to recieve the award on their watch.
Do you not believe this seriously cheapens the award? Do you not think it....comical, that arguably the worlds most successful terrorist recieves the (until then) worlds greatest Peace award? It's absurd
It is similar to our own, Hollywood walk of fame that was once the memorial to greatness in the movie making. As I understand it, that has pretty much degenerated to a pay/per kind of deal with the American idol types and other wannebe trash recieving that..........distinction as well.
Like Brittany Spears!

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i dislike all the candidates for presidency, republican and democratic, right now. Gore would get my vote if he were to run. He has a responsibility to run. I get upset with the fact that he preaches change but when he has the power to step into a position where he can make a difference, he passes.

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[quote=Hog1;362944]I am saying this.......award has become less than it once was because of political motivations. Some of the nominating commitee would substantiate that point as they resigned in protest at the time rather than allow Arafat to recieve the award on their watch.
Do you not believe this seriously cheapens the award? Do you not think it....comical, that arguably the worlds most successful terrorist recieves the (until then) worlds greatest Peace award? It's absurd
It is similar to our own, Hollywood walk of fame that was once the memorial to greatness in the movie making. As I understand it, that has pretty much degenerated to a pay/per kind of deal with the American idol types and other wannebe trash recieving that..........distinction as well.
Like Brittany Spears![/quote]

I agree, the award has definitely been more politicized over the years but the overall goal of the peace prize is still noble. Still, I'm not entirely sure what you're advocating here? We get rid of the Nobel Peace Prize or that it's fixed and therefore not creditable? Perhaps you're expecting what [I][B]you deem[/B][/I] as perfect selections to be nominated and win.

And no, I don't think Arafat winning cheapens the award for the simple fact that enough people thought he and Yitzhak Rabin aught to win.

You know, 50% of the population thinks Bush was given the presidency by the Supreme Court but that doesn't cheapen the U.S. presidency nor does it taint the election of former presidents.

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[quote=saden1;362969]I agree, the award has definitely been more politicized over the years but the overall goal of the peace prize is still noble. Still, I'm not entirely sure what you're advocating here? We get rid of the Nobel Peace Prize or that it's fixed and therefore not creditable? Perhaps you're expecting what [I][B]you deem[/B][/I] as perfect selections to be nominated and win.

And no, I don't think Arafat winning cheapens the award for the simple fact that enough people thought he and Yitzhak Rabin aught to win.

You know, 50% of the population thinks Bush was given the presidency by the Supreme Court but that doesn't cheapen the U.S. presidency nor does it taint the election of former presidents.[/quote]

Excuse me for a partial address, but I definately think the Presidency is signifigantly cheapened (not by Bush necessarily, but he is not doing enough to help it either), not so much by actions, but more for inactions. We seem to recieve all lip, and no service on so many fronts, I cannot address them all here (and it seriously pisses me off).
By appearances, our elected officials seem to be concerned with everything but the problems of the people that elected them. That is probably not universally true, but I think the end reult of their collective efforts is.

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[quote=Hog1;362944]I am saying this.......award has become less than it once was because of political motivations. Some of the nominating commitee would substantiate that point as they resigned in protest at the time rather than allow Arafat to recieve the award on their watch.
Do you not believe this seriously cheapens the award? Do you not think it....comical, that arguably the worlds most successful terrorist recieves the (until then) worlds greatest Peace award? It's absurd
It is similar to our own, Hollywood walk of fame that was once the memorial to greatness in the movie making. As I understand it, that has pretty much degenerated to a pay/per kind of deal with the American idol types and other wannebe trash recieving that..........distinction as well.
Like Brittany Spears![/quote]

Very good post. An accurate assessment of the prize.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;362958]i dislike all the candidates for presidency, republican and democratic, right now. Gore would get my vote if he were to run. He has a responsibility to run. I get upset with the fact that he preaches change but when he has the power to step into a position where he can make a difference, he passes.[/quote]

Then get ready to have more restrictions on your car and utilities, as well as the highest taxes in the world.


edited to add:


I demand a recount on the vote! The Nobel Prize was stolen by Gore. :laughing2

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[QUOTE=Buster;363010]Then get ready to have more restrictions on your car and utilities, as well as the highest taxes in the world.


edited to add:


I demand a recount on the vote! The Nobel Prize was stolen by Gore. :laughing2[/QUOTE]

I'm not rich but I'd gladly pay more taxes if they want to start using them effectively. (i.e. not on funding ridiculous projects and insane defense contracts)

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I've LIVED all over the world, under different forms of government and there is a lot to be said for the way other countries do things. We don't have a monopoly on good ideas in the U.S.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;363019]I've LIVED all over the world, under different forms of government and there is a lot to be said for the way other countries do things. [B]We don't have a monopoly on good ideas in the[/B] [B]U.S[/B].[/quote]
what a great quote. i cant believe people around here are saying that the Nobel prize is insignificant. what a great accomplishment for Mr Gore. and tend to wonder if the people that believe this are also the same ones that threw Mr Kerry under the bus for serving our great country in Vietnam? and BB, it makes me smile when someone overlooks party affiliation, and tries to put the best man in the white house. no, im not saying that Gore is the best candidate. but right now BB isn't seeing anything out there he likes

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;362958]i dislike all the candidates for presidency, republican and democratic, right now. Gore would get my vote if he were to run. He has a responsibility to run. I get upset with the fact that he preaches change but when he has the power to step into a position where he can make a difference, he passes.[/quote]
He was VP for 8 years and what changes beside inventing the internet? What would Gore do if he was in office?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;363016]I'm not rich but [B]I'd gladly pay more taxes[/B] if they want to start using them effectively. (i.e. not on funding ridiculous projects and insane defense contracts)[/quote]


You're probably in a BIG minority on that one.

How about we start using the already too-high taxes collected on useful things like defense and the environment only instead of research on animal sex and condoms for kids, funding one-sided public radio and TV stations (NPR/PBS) and building bridges to nowhere.

[url=http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm889.cfm]The Bridge to Nowhere: A National Embarrassment[/url]

We pay MORE than enough in taxes, but it's misappropriated and misused. We don't need more tax hikes, we need new representatives, but so many people vote for incumbents simply because they're incumbents.

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or dont vote.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;363016]I'm not rich but I'd gladly pay more taxes if they want to start using them effectively. (i.e. not on funding ridiculous projects and insane defense contracts)[/quote]
The problem in DC is not the amount of money they have but how it is spent and all the wast that goes on. I'm not willing to give them another penny of my money if I do not have to. Thats coming from a person who just 2 days ago was told after all the taxes I paid last year still owes them $6,800 and I'm like you I'm far from rich.

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[quote=firstdown;363038]He was VP for 8 years and what changes beside inventing the internet? What would Gore do if he was in office?[/quote]

Nothing beneficial.

High taxes, suffocating environmental constraints on American corporations forcing them to charge us more or go under (or move to China/India/Mexico) and he'd probably treat terrorism like the President he served under, so back to Americans being murdered worldwide with nothing being done about it.

He's a puppet to some scientists with an agenda. If he wasn't getting rich with his "The Earth is Burning" tour, he wouldn't do it. He obviously doesn't really care about the environment with his lifestyle.

Besides, where was he in the 1970s when we were entering an ice age?
[url=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html]Another Ice Age? - TIME[/url]

Oh yeah, he was inventing the internet.


He saw a financial opportunity and took it. He's no hero.

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The politicians are a reflection of the people. When you have people like Hilary and Rudy talking about each other in their respective party debates instead of the merits of why they should be elected you have to wonder about the public. People don't vote their conscious anymore, they vote for whose they think is the lesser of two evils.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;363016]I'm not rich but I'd gladly pay more taxes [SIZE="4"][B]if they want to start using them effectively. (i.e. not on funding ridiculous projects and insane defense contracts)[/B][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

I think that's the important part of what I wrote.

Re: Gore's potential policies putting a stranglehold on American corporations

American Corporations are putting a stranglehold on Americans. Special interests and lobbyists are the new policy makers, not the average citizen. If Gore wanted to put much more strict rules on, say, automakers, I'm all for it. Or if he were to force manufacturing firms to cut down on pollutants by appreciable margins. OR say improving health care so that we have a system the most advanced nation in the world deserves. Would such changes be extremely difficult? YES. Would maintaining this status quo on the road to hell be easier in the short term? Possibly. Is everything going to cost more? YES, it will regardless of policy, make no mistake. Are jobs going to be outsourced? YES. Unless there is policy written to counteract that. Say what you want but keeping american jobs in america was supposed to be a bed rock principle of this administration. Tell me that's happened.

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[quote=Buster;363045]High taxes, suffocating environmental constraints on American corporations forcing them to charge us more or go under (or move to China/India/Mexico)...[/quote]

I take it you would be for a national health care system then? Cause that's one huge factor that's killing American corporations (except for Pharmaceuticals and HMOs of course).

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Is anyone else sick of hearing about terrorism? I mean, let's be honest. I know we were attacked 6 years ago and it was a horrible event. (I was in the Navy before and during the attack, I chose to serve my country before any Sept 11 upswell in patriotism, so don't question my loyalty here) But that attack was probably the most beneficial thing that could have happened to all of the Neo-Conservative Defense Contractors and the people (i.e. politicians) they employ. How many shady policy decisions have been made under the guise of defending freedom and stopping terrorism? I don't want to hear that word in the next election. We have the strongest, most highly trained, most well equipped military in the world and it's not going to shit no matter who's in power, no matter what FOX News tells you. We've spent 6 years focused on nothing but national defense. Let's take care of some other pressing needs. Examples would be Healthcare, Social Security Reform, Drug Policy, Education Reform, etc...

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;363108]I think that's the important part of what I wrote.

Re: Gore's potential policies putting a stranglehold on American corporations

American Corporations are putting a stranglehold on Americans. Special interests and lobbyists are the new policy makers, not the average citizen. If Gore wanted to put much more strict rules on, say, automakers, I'm all for it. Or if he were to force manufacturing firms to cut down on pollutants by appreciable margins. OR say improving health care so that we have a system the most advanced nation in the world deserves. Would such changes be extremely difficult? YES. Would maintaining this status quo on the road to hell be easier in the short term? Possibly. Is everything going to cost more? YES, it will regardless of policy, make no mistake. Are jobs going to be outsourced? YES. Unless there is policy written to counteract that. Say what you want but keeping american jobs in america was supposed to be a bed rock principle of this administration. Tell me that's happened.[/quote]
I get so tired of this complaint that American Corps are out sorcing jobs like we have no blame. What kind of car do you drive, who made your toaster, lamps, furniture, etc... We as Americans have been out sourcing jobs for a long time so if you home is full of out sourced goods then stop complaining.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;363120]Is anyone else sick of hearing about terrorism? I mean, let's be honest. I know we were attacked 6 years ago and it was a horrible event. (I was in the Navy before and during the attack, I chose to serve my country before any Sept 11 upswell in patriotism, so don't question my loyalty here) But that attack was probably the most beneficial thing that could have happened to all of the Neo-Conservative Defense Contractors and the people (i.e. politicians) they employ. How many shady policy decisions have been made under the guise of defending freedom and stopping terrorism? I don't want to hear that word in the next election. We have the strongest, most highly trained, most well equipped military in the world and it's not going to shit no matter who's in power, no matter what FOX News tells you. We've spent 6 years focused on nothing but national defense. Let's take care of some other pressing needs. Examples would be Healthcare, Social Security Reform, Drug Policy, Education Reform, etc...[/quote]
Non of those do me any good if I'm DEAD. We had a president that did that and we were attacked 4 to 5 times and the 5 time they really got us good.