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Bear in mind, this morning I defended against those who called the playcalling too "conservative". JLC goes the other direction and suggests the Skins should have run MORE in the second half. I still think players failed to make plays in this game, but I think JLC's analysis is a lot closer to the truth than those ripping Gibbs/Saunders for being too "conservative". The Skins need to run and JC is not ready to take a game on his shoulders at this point at least. Also, though I didn't necessarily see a ton of glaring breakdowns on the right side (apart from Strahan getting off a couple of times) I think JLC's analysis of the trouble caused by the injuries is spot on. Randy Thomas going down is going to hurt us big time and it just freaking kills me.

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Bear in mind, this morning I defended against those who called the playcalling too "conservative". JLC goes the other direction and suggests the Skins should have run MORE in the second half. I still think players failed to make plays in this game, but I think JLC's analysis is a lot closer to the truth than those ripping Gibbs/Saunders for being too "conservative". The Skins need to run and JC is not ready to take a game on his shoulders at this point at least. Also, though I didn't necessarily see a ton of glaring breakdowns on the right side (apart from Strahan getting off a couple of times) I think JLC's analysis of the trouble caused by the injuries is spot on. Randy Thomas going down is going to hurt us big time and it just freaking kills me.[/quote]Obviously, JLC wasn't paying attention to the first 4 second half drives. The overly conservative play calling on those drives led to 3 three and outs and a fumble, and the Skins didn't register a first down until they attacked the Giants with the pass late. NY hadn't been able to cover anyone all year, yet for the first 55 minutes, Gibbs/Saunders didn't trust Campbell enough to exploit that weakness.

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It's funny, I started my thread this morning trying to prove that the play calling was bad. After looking at the 2nd half again, I was totally convinced it was lack of execution. I still believe you've got to place blame on the failure to execute.

I think a point JLC makes is that we could have squeaked by without having to execute these complex plays. He says we should stick to our weapons, CP and Ladell. Lineman would rather run block anyways. Sometimes what's best, is what's simplest. Makes a valid argument.

But after Campbell's performance on Monday night, if your Saunders, don't you feel like you want to open up the offense and "go for the kill." I mean, your defense has been playing great all year, giving up only one touchdown. I think that's what Saunders was trying to do, and I don't think our offense showed up for the challenge.

The game yesterday just shows us Campbell and this offense aren't ready yet for the full blown Saunders experience. Maybe Jason is right, and we should stick to the run, eat up the clock as much as we can, and utilize Campbell with the play action. It makes sense to me.

I think Saunders saw what Campbell did on Monday night, and liked what he saw. He decided to open up that play book and let Campbell run it. Let him look deep first, and then take what's available. Unfortunately, it looks as if it was a bit early, and the poor execution (especially Portis' fumble) cost us a football game.

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Going for "the kill" doesn't have to mean 50 yard bombs. The kill can be a 8 minute power running drive that results in points and time taken off the clock.

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true but they werent getting it done. Its alot easier to defend the run if they know its coming every time. Having all of our WR we should mix it up alot more to keep them guessing.

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[quote=RobH4413;356700]It's funny, I started my thread this morning trying to prove that the play calling was bad. After looking at the 2nd half again, I was totally convinced it was lack of execution. I still believe you've got to place blame on the failure to execute.

I think a point JLC makes is that we could have squeaked by without having to execute these complex plays. He says we should stick to our weapons, CP and Ladell. Lineman would rather run block anyways. Sometimes what's best, is what's simplest. Makes a valid argument.

But after Campbell's performance on Monday night, If your Saunders, don't you feel like you want to open up the offense and "go for the kill." I mean, your defense has been playing great all year, giving up only one touchdown. I think that's what Saunders was trying to do, and I don't think our offense showed up for the challenge.

The game yesterday just shows us Campbell and this offense aren't ready yet for the full blown Saunders experience. Maybe Jason is right, and we should stick to the run, eat up the clock as much as we can, and utilize Campbell with the play action. It makes sense to me.

I think Saunders saw what Campbell did on Monday night, and liked what he saw. He decided to open up that play book and let Campbell run it. Let him look deep first, and then take what's available. Unfortunately, it looks as if it was a bit early, and the poor execution (especially Portis' fumble) cost us a football game.[/quote]


Rob, I'm of the opinion bad play calling and lack of execution go hand in hand. I really believe this. While it's easy to chart the play calling, execution is a matter of focus; it's more mental. And I think the two are absolutely related.

Look, they played bad in the second half. There's no denying that. But I think it's kind of like a prize fighter, once he starts to think his left hook is dangerous and deadly, and you say look I think you can take this guy out with your right jab. You just lose something there.

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[QUOTE=stbabyy;356716]true but they werent getting it done. Its alot easier to defend the run if they know its coming every time. Having all of our WR we should mix it up alot more to keep them guessing.[/QUOTE]

Well, between 14-3 Redskins and 17-17. We had 5 running plays and 9 passing plays

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Fabini << Thomas

plain and simple.

The bye week is coming at a good time. We need to work on solidifying the right side of the line and readjust run blocking. Cooley is being kept in to much or asked to chip block and his passing stats are suffering because of it.

The good news is at 2-1 we are still in good shape, have time to make some adjustments, and a few winable games coming up. If we can get Thomas back for the 3-5 final games, we should be able to make a push for the playoffs

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[quote=SmootSmack;356710]Going for "the kill" doesn't have to mean 50 yard bombs. The kill can be a 8 minute power running drive that results in points and time taken off the clock.[/quote]
No, I agree totally... I'm just saying I think that's what Saunders was trying to open up given the history of the Giants pass defense.

Jason Campbell was saying that they changed a lot of their looks from their previous game,

"They took away a lot of the deep stuff, played a safety over our receivers.... We hit one deep ball, got by the Safety, but they played the two shell, trying to not give up anything deep and leave us with just stuff in the underneath..."

I agree with JLC, and I think we should have run the ball more. I think Saunders had a lot of confidence in Jason from his strong outing on Monday night, and so he didn't give it to his running backs as much. Turned out to be a fatal error.

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[quote=12thMan;356717]Rob, I'm of the opinion bad play calling and lack of execution go hand in hand. I really believe this. While it's easy to chart the play calling, execution is a matter of focus; it's more mental. And I think the two are absolutely related.

Look, they played bad in the second half. There's no denying that. But I think it's kind of like a prize fighter, once he starts to think his left hook is dangerous and deadly, and you say look I think you can take this guy out with your right jab. You just lose something there.[/quote]
Very true.

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To get 40 running plays, you gotta convert your third downs. We did a great job of that in the first two games; we failed to do so in this game. Then, we gave up LONG drives on D, and we lost the lead. So, you pass.

I feel the same about execution, RobH--if you don't block well, you can't run. And if you don't pass well, you can't convert or score deep. We didn't play well in the second half, whatever the play calling was.

Gibbs is most likely correct: it's a combination across the board. Bad play calls at times, bad execution at others, good plays (hard as it is to admit!) by the gints, bad D/good O on the other side of the ball. Altogether, it equals a very tough loss. (BTW, better than our first game against the gints last year, though that was in NY...)

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I understand we have an identity of a being a smash-mouth run first team. As we should with a strong O-line and Portis/Betts/Sellers. But you CANNOT ignore a team's weakness. The Giants got completely shredded in the air weeks 1 and 2, and we didn't start throwing in the 2nd half until our backs were against the wall. I also understand we were trying to protect a lead, but we've got to develop a killer instinct, score more points, and learn to better exploit weaknesses. How we come out week 5 against Detroit is going to dictate the rest of our season. Our schedule only gets harder.

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[quote=RobH4413;356725]No, I agree totally... I'm just saying I think that's what Saunders was trying to open up given the history of the Giants pass defense.

Jason Campbell was saying that they changed a lot of their looks from their previous game,

"They took away a lot of the deep stuff, played a safety over our receivers.... We hit one deep ball, got by the Safety, but they played the two shell, trying to not give up anything deep and leave us with just stuff in the underneath..."

I agree with JLC, and I think we should have run the ball more. I think Saunders had a lot of confidence in Jason from his strong outing on Monday night, and so he didn't give it to his running backs as much. Turned out to be a fatal error.[/quote]

What was the fatal error? JC didn't lose the game for us. The only obvouis mistakes were portis fumbling and the coaches telling campbell to spike the ball...wasting a down. those two mistakes cost us 14 points...neither were campbell's fault in my opinion

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We had done exactly nothing in the run game all day long. I don't think we needed to continue to go 3 and out in the fourth. So, i gotta disagree w/ JLC.

Now, i do agree w/ him on JC. He should start putting up some #'s and be more comfortable managing the game in our 2 minute offense. Right now he's not. He's a 3rd year player w/ about 10 games played. Has he had a 300 yard day? A 3 TD day yet? Yeah, i know, what alot of you are going to say...He makes some great passes and he's young. True, but i remember hearing that about Patrick Ramsey too.

Bottom line JC has got to start showing improvement and scoring some points. He's got to start showing some signs for us to bank on him being the answer.

We have the talent there is no excuse for this team.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;356739]What was the fatal error? JC didn't lose the game for us. The only obvouis mistakes were portis fumbling and the coaches telling campbell to spike the ball...wasting a down. those two mistakes cost us 14 points...neither were campbell's fault in my opinion[/quote]
Well, potentially running the ball more could have burnt the clock down... rested a worn defense, and changed the dynamics of the game.

It's all pure speculation of course, and if you don't execute it doesn't matter, but in general, running the ball with a 14 point lead makes more sense than passing as much as we did, especially if you're the Washington Redskins.

I was saying in my post that our game plan could have been influenced by Jason's prior success, and the Giants prior futility. Why not design a game plan attacking a weak Giants secondary? That's what we all expected wasn't it? A blow out.

The only problem was that since the Giants changed their defense around, this provided a window, aided by our ineptitude to convert first downs and hold onto the ball, that the Giants capitalized on. We couldn't run that offense, plain and simple. Our o-line couldn't hold up, Jason played inconsistent, and we were stifled.

On top of it all, the type of futility we suffered was the worst kind. Not only did we lose the ball, but we preserved the clock.

The Giants then downright beat us. They sustained several long and efficient (converting countless 3rd downs) touchdown drives. Our defense got torched all the way up the field, and no thank to our offense...had to go right back out there almost instantly.

But we saw the game, we know what happened... and we wouldn't be Redskins fans if weren't masochistic enough to relive the pain and talk about it for two weeks. :)

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I read somewhere that the Giants converted something like seven 3rd downs in the second half, and all but one was 3rd and 5 or longer.

When you are leading 17-3 at halftime, coaching is easy. You rely on your defense, and you run clock. The coaches did just that. The defense let us down this time.

Bottom line: our defense lost this game for us. Plain and simple.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;356764]I read somewhere that the Giants converted something like seven 3rd downs in the second half, and all but one was 3rd and 5 or longer.

When you are leading 17-3 at halftime, coaching is easy. You rely on your defense, and you run clock. The coaches did just that. The defense let us down this time.

Bottom line: our defense lost this game for us. Plain and simple.[/quote]

I couldn't disagree more. Our offense couldn't get a first down if their life depended on it in the 2nd half. Like Rock Cartwright said after the game, "If you can't give your defense a minute to rest, something is eventually gonna break." That's exactly what happened. We moved the ball well in the first half and the D had little problem stopping the Giants, getting pressure on Eli, and forcing turnovers.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;356767]I couldn't disagree more. Our offense couldn't get a first down if their life depended on it in the 2nd half. Like Rock Cartwright said after the game, "If you can't give your defense a minute to rest, something is eventually gonna break." That's exactly what happened. We moved the ball well in the first half and the D had little problem stopping the Giants, getting pressure on Eli, and forcing turnovers.[/QUOTE]

So you would blame the terrible 3rd down defense on the offense's failure to move the ball in the second half? Is the defense in any way responsible for giving up so many 3rd down conversions?

I blame the loss on the 3rd down conversions. We had them in 3rd and long several times, and we couldn't stop them. I blame defense for the inability to stop the Giants on 3rd down. Therefore, I blame the loss on the defense.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;356784]So you would blame the terrible 3rd down defense on the offense's failure to move the ball in the second half? Is the defense in any way responsible for giving up so many 3rd down conversions?

I blame the loss on the 3rd down conversions. We had them in 3rd and long several times, and we couldn't stop them. I blame defense for the inability to stop the Giants on 3rd down. Therefore, I blame the loss on the defense.[/quote]

How was the 3rd down defense in the first half when the offense was actually moving the ball and spelling the D? Exactly. The D was on the field for 21+ minutes in the second half. Unacceptable. The D has been great on 3rd down for 10 outta 12 quarters this year. Our offense is mediocre at best, averaging 17.7pts a game. We had 82 rushing yards in this one. But sure, it was the defense's fault.

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The game went downhill for the redskins in the second half for 3 reasons -
(1) Campbell lost his rhythm (and only got it back in the final series)
(2) The Giants came out after the half and concentrated on stuffing the run. After taking away the Redskins running game, they started to focus on getting to Jason Campbell.
(3) The Giants offense gained rhythm (probably because they often were able to get the ball back quickly after the Redskins offense sputtered, see#1)

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[QUOTE=GMScud;356790]How was the 3rd down defense in the first half when the offense was actually moving the ball and spelling the D? Exactly. The D was on the field for 21+ minutes in the second half. Unacceptable. The D has been great on 3rd down for 10 outta 12 quarters this year. Our offense is mediocre at best, averaging 17.7pts a game. We had 82 rushing yards in this one. But sure, it was the defense's fault.[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean, and I agree that our offense should share some of the blame. However, defense HAS to make stops on 3rd and long. I am of the opinion that there are NO legitimate excuses for giving up 3rd and long -- ever.

Also, I think that 4 offensive plays are enough time for the defense to rest. Any more than that is just gravy. I think the defense was tired because they couldn't make stops on 3rd and long, and the Giants were able to sustain long drives -- not because the offense was stale.

To say that the defense couldn't do their job because they need more than 4 offensive plays to rest is a poor excuse. Imagine Greg Williams saying, "Well we sucked on defense, but it's not their fault. We simply can't play good defense after 3 and outs, and that is just the way it goes. Anytime we go 3 and out, expect to give up a score."

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;356799]I know what you mean, and I agree that our offense should share some of the blame. However, defense HAS to make stops on 3rd and long. I am of the opinion that there are NO legitimate excuses for giving up 3rd and long -- ever.

Also, I think that 4 offensive plays are enough time for the defense to rest. Any more than that is just gravy. I think the defense was tired because they couldn't make stops on 3rd and long, and the Giants were able to sustain long drives -- not because the offense was stale.

To say that the defense couldn't do their job because they need more than 4 offensive plays to rest is a poor excuse. Imagine Greg Williams saying, "Well we sucked on defense, but it's not their fault. We simply can't play good defense after 3 and outs, and that is just the way it goes. Anytime we go 3 and out, expect to give up a score."[/quote]

I'm not saying the D was perfect. But to say the blame lies squarely on them is just wrong, IMO.

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Bottom line, we play an absolutely MISERABLE defense week 5 vs. Detroit, and we have great film to watch from that Eagles game yesterday on just how to exploit it. If we don't score 28 points I'm gonna be pissed. I want to see JC have at least a pair of TD passes in that one. We gotta come out and pound them. I mean POUND them. I wanna see something a la that San Fran game in 2005...

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I'd say his logic behind "40 is the magic number " is faulty. The reason we didn't get to 40 was because they were loaded up for our short game so we basically produced nothing and thus had less offensive plays. The 40 rushes is ideal when taken in context as a function of our total plays. We'd have ended up with 40 if we would have stretched the field a bit I think and kept the ball more.

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[quote=FRPLG;356854]I'd say his logic behind "40 is the magic number " is faulty. The reason we didn't get to 40 was because they were loaded up for our short game so we basically produced nothing and thus had less offensive plays. The 40 rushes is ideal when taken in context as a function of our total plays. We'd have ended up with 40 if we would have stretched the field a bit I think and kept the ball more.[/quote]

Totally agree. When he said 40, I stopped reading the article.

The number of rushes, as with the number of pass attempts, have to be taken into consideration.

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[quote=RobH4413;356762]Well, potentially running the ball more could have burnt the clock down... rested a worn defense, and changed the dynamics of the game.

It's all pure speculation of course, and if you don't execute it doesn't matter, but in general, running the ball with a 14 point lead makes more sense than passing as much as we did, especially if you're the Washington Redskins.

I was saying in my post that our game plan could have been influenced by Jason's prior success, and the Giants prior futility. Why not design a game plan attacking a weak Giants secondary? That's what we all expected wasn't it? A blow out.

The only problem was that since the Giants changed their defense around, this provided a window, aided by our ineptitude to convert first downs and hold onto the ball, that the Giants capitalized on. We couldn't run that offense, plain and simple. Our o-line couldn't hold up, Jason played inconsistent, and we were stifled.

On top of it all, the type of futility we suffered was the worst kind. Not only did we lose the ball, but we preserved the clock.

The Giants then downright beat us. They sustained several long and efficient (converting countless 3rd downs) touchdown drives. Our defense got torched all the way up the field, and no thank to our offense...had to go right back out there almost instantly.

But we saw the game, we know what happened... and we wouldn't be Redskins fans if weren't masochistic enough to relive the pain and talk about it for two weeks. :)[/quote]

Rob, you made some good points. I honestly believe that if we had sustained one long drive, even one that ended with a field goal, we probably would have won that game. Because the D could have rested, and they would have had less time to catch up. And yes running the ball more could potentially have helped sustain such a drive.

As far as throwing the ball to try and "take the kill shot" being a bad decision, I would have to disagree. (I don't know if that was the point you were trying to make). I think that is something we have to learn to do as a team, we need to put opponents away. Do you remember those two pass plays in a row to Moss that were seemingly miscommunications? WTF was that? Could that have been due to Saunders trying things they don't know well enough yet? If so, things are not looking good for our O. We really need JC and our wr's to get on the same page, and if it took us looking pathetic this week to learn what we're doing wrong, so be it.

After this week Im not very optimistic about this season. We've had two wins against two suspect teams, and a loss to a floundering div rival. And on top of that the Cowboys look formidable. We need to take some chances if we are gonna have any chance this year. Maybe we tried to last night, but the O is just not on the same page. Either way, I hope Joe picks up the pieces from this pathetic loss and turns this team around. I know his teams play well in December, but we're gonna have to win a few right out of the bye to even be in contention.

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I think JLC may be right. We should be calling more runs- but after this game, it's obvious that the run calling may not fit the current personnel. Losing Thomas meant less effective pulling. I saw some positive things with the misdirection pitch-outs in the first half.

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I am sick of JLC ripping into Joe Gibbs. If he had made the sweep he would have been a genious. The only problem I have is the fact they threww away a down. Hopefully they work on clock management.

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;356911]I am sick of JLC ripping into Joe Gibbs. If he had made the sweep he would have been a genious. The only problem I have is the fact they threww away a down. Hopefully they work on clock management.[/QUOTE]

If If If If If...theres a lot of If's...but not too many Did's that went right in that second half...when guys deserved to get ripped, they should. Joe isnt the only guy who deserves blame, thats for sure, but I think he's a peice to that puzzle.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;356921]If If If If If...theres a lot of If's...but not too many Did's that went right in that second half...when guys deserved to get ripped, they should. Joe isnt the only guy who deserves blame, thats for sure, but I think he's a peice to that puzzle.[/QUOTE]

I'll second this.

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I'm ready to stop worrying about why we lost this game. we lost it. Accept it and move on. At least we're 2-1. We could be 0-3 right now. We have some games coming up after the bye that could be very winnable games for us (no not counting the NE game.) Hopefully we will be healthy and refreshed and ready to go. It's a long season yet ahead of us. A lot of chances for us to make this a great season.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;356947]I'm ready to stop worrying about why we lost this game. we lost it. Accept it and move on. At least we're 2-1. We could be 0-3 right now. We have some games coming up after the bye that could be very winnable games for us (no not counting the NE game.) Hopefully we will be healthy and refreshed and ready to go. It's a long season yet ahead of us. A lot of chances for us to make this a great season.[/QUOTE]

Why can't we beat NE? I mean, it's going to be very, very tough. But the consensus seemed to be we wouldn't lose to the Giants but we did. So why can't the opposite happen?

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Here's a reason to be optomistic: after starting 2-0, if we play .500 ball the rest of the way, we finish 9-7, and that's been good enough to make the playoffs something like 63% of the time in the NFL since 1960.

Okay, we lost one against a pretty suspect team. We need to get one back, that's all.

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Well put, dgack.

What's kinda funny here is that JLac is saying we DIDN'T run enough, while meanwhile all over the panicked redskin online nation, people are saying we we're TOO CONSERVATIVE on offense. Can't be both, can it?

Whatever. It's done. Let's learn from this and get better! What else can we do? Give up? Quit? Fire everybody? Trade for a magic player who will solve everything? We've tried all these in the recent past. They do not work.

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[quote=JWsleep;356990]Well put, dgack.

What's kinda funny here is that JLac is saying we DIDN'T run enough, while meanwhile all over the panicked redskin online nation, people are saying we we're TOO CONSERVATIVE on offense. Can't be both, can it?[/quote]I don't think its either, but we certainly didn't run too much. It's nothing short of flat out wrong to say we did. Running 8 times (one was an end around, another a scramble) in a half that started with a two touchdown lead is never too much regardless of the circumstances.

I don't necessarily agree with JLC either here, but his argument is much better than the dribble I've been reading on the Warpath the last 27 hours.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;357002]

I don't necessarily agree with JLC either here, but his argument is much better than the dribble I've been reading on the Warpath the last 27 hours.[/QUOTE]

Try extremeskins--it's the end of the world over there. We are the "intelligent fans", after all! ;)

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Interesting article from almost exactly a year ago

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/22/AR2006092201585.html]Redskins' Saunders Says Run Must Be Established - washingtonpost.com[/url]

And there's this

[url=http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070923/SPORTS01/109230064/1005&template=nextpage]Redskins off and running - - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper[/url]

Amazing. I was certain that Saunders wanted only to pass and Gibbs was holding him back by making him run the ball

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[quote=WillH;356864]
As far as throwing the ball to try and "take the kill shot" being a bad decision, I would have to disagree. (I don't know if that was the point you were trying to make). I think that is something we have to learn to do as a team, we need to put opponents away. Do you remember those two pass plays in a row to Moss that were seemingly miscommunications? WTF was that? Could that have been due to Saunders trying things they don't know well enough yet? If so, things are not looking good for our O. We really need JC and our wr's to get on the same page, and if it took us looking pathetic this week to learn what we're doing wrong, so be it.
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Yeah, my point was that I think that's what Saunders was trying to do; "go for the kill" in the long ball. He saw a weak secondary, and also saw promise in Jason Campbell and our WR's.

Saunders was confident in our offenses ability to dominate in the air, and felt so strongly that he never gave up on it. I can remember countless times that Jason would drop back, see coverage and than have to go underneath. And this, the Giants knew, is Jason's weakness.

Unlike Brunell, Jason Campbell has a very inaccurate short ball. He sort of guns it in there. So whereas Saunders was trying to use Jason's strengths, the Giants forced him to throw his weak ball. The mis-communications only made matters worse.

I'm beginning to think Jason Campbell doesn't feel 100% comfortable with this offense yet. He's got to be faster on those 2nd and 3rd reads, and when he delivers he has to do so accurately.

The Giants took the deep ball away for the most part, and forced an inexperienced quarterback to have to browse through his reads under pressure. In essence, Jason had to micromanage pocket movement, throw away possibility, deep routes, secondary routes, and hot routes in case of a blitz. On top of it all, he can't throw much to his big possession TE because he was held in to block a lot, and we don't quite have 6'6 possession receivers for those intermediate routes.

Giants out coached and outplayed us that second half. They deserved to win it.

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I'm not buying the play calling excuse and in general I haven't been a big fan of always blaming that area after a loss.

When you have proper execution is the play calling even an issue?

If JC hit a few more throws would we even be disussing the play calling? If his throw to Sellers at the goal line was on point is the play calling a problem?

If Portis doesn't bobble the exchange is the play calling a problem?

If Betts doesn't trip are we talking about the play calling today?

Re: JLC Rant/Rip on Playcalling
 

[quote=Mattyk72;357249]I'm not buying the play calling excuse and in general I haven't been a big fan of always blaming that area after a loss.

When you have proper execution is the play calling even an issue?

If JC hit a few more throws would we even be disussing the play calling? If his throw to Sellers at the goal line was on point is the play calling a problem?

If Portis doesn't bobble the exchange is the play calling a problem?

If Betts doesn't trip are we talking about the play calling today?[/quote]
I am officially done talking about play calling. I've spent way to much time over analyzing it. Plain in simple, you don't execute, you don't win.