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Yuck.

-- Campbell's out of sync
-- Moss missing perfectly thrown balls
-- Smoot getting torched -- they've been going after him all game
-- Cooley completely shut down

So far, not much different from a typical 2006 game

(at half-time)

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we're definitly not as good as I thought we were gonna be. Hopefully Springs stays healthy all season.

But we did win and CP looks pretty good

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Ugly ... but I'll take it.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;348987]Yuck.

-- Campbell's out of sync
-- [b]Moss missing perfectly thrown balls[/b]
-- Smoot getting torched -- they've been going after him all game
-- Cooley completely shut down

So far, not much different from a typical 2006 game[/QUOTE]

Don't expect more of that.

I think the SKins played well. Sure we had some rusty issues, but Campbell threw the ball downfield very well...had Moss caught the balls, we would have won without needing OT.
Smoot pulling a Carlos Rogers at the end of regulation was a concern.
Overall though, we played a tough defense, and showed some good things to build on.

My BIGGEST concern, something you didn't mention, was our weak D between 10-15 yards. It also appeared we could have been torched deep if Green wasn't afraid to throw it. But again, the D looked good, and the O looked inconsistant, but showed signs of a team that could be dominant.

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[quote=Beemnseven;348987]Yuck.

-- Campbell's out of sync
-- Moss missing perfectly thrown balls
-- Smoot getting torched -- they've been going after him all game
-- [B]Cooley completely shut down
[/B]
So far, not much different from a typical 2006 game[/quote]

Whoa whoa, Cooley wasn't shut down.. He had to stay in and help Ts block Taylor most of time..

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[QUOTE=jsarno;349275][B]My BIGGEST concern, something you didn't mention, was our weak D between 10-15 yards. [/B] It also appeared we could have been torched deep if Green wasn't afraid to throw it. But again, the D looked good, and the O looked inconsistant, but showed signs of a team that could be dominant.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it seemed like the D was good if they were able to pitch a 3 and out, but once they started converting a couple of 3rd downs, things started to break down.

The secondary is still a concern. They were pickin' on Smoot something fierce. Why was he starting ahead of Springs?

And Carlos Rogers still looks like a fifth round pick, not a #9 overall.

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I told you guys you were over-rating our offense. Randle El looked great though.

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i think we wil get much better as the season progresses... a win is a win and i think we have alot of potential... secondary needs improvement alot....

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plus that pass interference on Rogers towards the end of the game was complete horseshit.

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Yeah, and I was getting an earful from a Phins fan during it.

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[quote=Beemnseven;349285]Yes, it seemed like the D was good if they were able to pitch a 3 and out, but once they started converting a couple of 3rd downs, things started to break down.

The secondary is still a concern. They were pickin' on Smoot something fierce. Why was he starting ahead of Springs?

[B]And Carlos Rogers still looks like a fifth round pick, not a #9 overall[/B].[/quote]

I agree. 2 years and it still seems like this kid can't get it together.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;349277]Whoa whoa, Cooley wasn't shut down.. He had to stay in and help Ts block Taylor most of time..[/QUOTE]


If it was one player the Dolphins D keyed in on, it was Cooley. Yes, he was in for some blocking assignments, but he was in pass patterns too.

I'd say that when you hold a player like Cooley to one catch for 10 yards, you did a pretty good job shutting him down.

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[QUOTE=Cowell;349287]I told you guys you were over-rating our offense. Randle El looked great though.[/QUOTE]

Depends on who you're talking about. This offense still looks a lot better than last years offense!

You said it about Randel El. What a shocker! I did not expect that! He even almost caught a ball thrown FAR behind him at the end of regulation.

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[quote=jsarno;349296]Depends on who you're talking about. This offense still looks a lot better than last years offense!

You said it about Randel El. What a shocker! I did not expect that! He even almost caught a ball thrown FAR behind him at the end of regulation.[/quote]

Thank God we moved Lloyd to #3

Are we calling him a bust yet? Or does he have to give up some more INTs?

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I don't know about the rest of you guys...but I had to listen to the CBS announcers and Deirdorf and Gumble sounded like they were ready to climb out of the booth, walk down to the field, and start sucking Cam Cameron's d*ck...

They way they talked about him, you would have thought he was the second coming of Bill Walsh....

I'm glad we got the win...but we definately need to improve a little on defense...they lit us up underneath with those 5 - 10 yard passes...

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;349285]Yes, it seemed like the D was good if they were able to pitch a 3 and out, but once they started converting a couple of 3rd downs, things started to break down.[/quote]

I found that interesting too.

[quote]The secondary is still a concern. They were pickin' on Smoot something fierce. Why was he starting ahead of Springs?[/quote]

Well, Smoot looked horrible IMO. He made poor decisions all day, and could have made up for it with that easy pick, but nope.

[quote]And Carlos Rogers still looks like a fifth round pick, not a #9 overall.[/QUOTE]
The fact that they didn't throw it to his side very often means he had good coverage. So I disagree with you here. I thought he did fine.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;349298]Thank God we moved Lloyd to #3

Are we calling him a bust yet? Or does he have to give up some more INTs?[/QUOTE]

While I did think that was ugly when he gave up the INT, it wasn't like it was a nicely thrown ball.
He was thrown at what? 2 times?
Hard to make that kind of call don't you think?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;349300]The fact that they didn't throw it to his side very often means he had good coverage. So I disagree with you here. I thought he did fine.[/QUOTE]

Well, they were throwing to Smoot because it was working out so well.

The play that stands out was the long pass play towards the end that allowed Miami to tie the game at 13. I know he's not going to shut anybody down. But he still seems to fall apart at all the wrong times -- again, not what I anticipate for a player selected so high in the draft.

He did play better than Smoot though, no question.

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We were dominant, just didn't get the ball in the endzone. That will change with time. THe MNF game will be obviosuly a good one. GB is tougher than folks thought or Philly isn't as good.

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[quote=Beemnseven;348987]

So far, not much different from a typical 2006 game

[/quote]


One big difference- they went vertical with the passing game far more often. While it didn't work out all the time, they were at least stretching the field more often.

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I dunno, I was pretty happy with today. The offense wasn't pretty but I think they did some positive things against a tough D and they definitely ran the ball well.

I'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.

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My 5 thoughts:

(1) I definately thought that the Fins were targeting Smoot.

(2) The offense's running game looked solid against a good D

(3) The offense's passing game was very inconsistent, but showed signs of promise. Hey, I didn't know a QB could throw deep.

(4) The defense looked great against the run and so-so against the pass. We really need some pressure up the middle.

(5) Santana Moss looked like the anti-Moss - missing 2-3 catches.

Overall, I'm happy with the result and see signs of hope, but will need 2-3 more weeks to give an accurate assessment of how this team will look towards the end of the season.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;349311]We were dominant, just didn't get the ball in the endzone. That will change with time. THe MNF game will be obviosuly a good one. GB is tougher than folks thought or Philly isn't as good.[/QUOTE]

A little of both on that IMO.

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OLINE AND DLINE looked good in the running game which I was a little concerned about. Portis and betts are a very strong one 2 punch.

The LBs played a great game but the back 4 not so well. I loved that we won. So lets build off some of the positives.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;349332]OLINE AND DLINE looked good in the [b]running game which I was a little concerned about.[/b] Portis and betts are a very strong one 2 punch.

Umm, what? You were concerned about the only sure thing on our team? The running game was the only area we shouldn't have had some concern about.

[quote]The LBs played a great game but the back 4 not so well. I loved that we won. So lets build off some of the positives.[/QUOTE]

The LB's played great in run stopping, not so much in the pass defending.

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0-1 is a lot uglier than 1-0..

The passing game was choppy, no question.. I think Campbell caught a little Brunell-itis and didn't go back over the middle as much after the pick.. Lloyd dogged it on the 2nd int, make a catch or prevent the pick but don't just half-jump and then jog after the DB..

Smoot and Rogers looked less than formidable out there but Green is a solid, smart QB so it's to be expected..

We dominated the line of scrimmage so that's a positive sign.

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not all wins are going to be pretty but the overtime march with portis and betts was a thing of beauty.

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Im scared for every other D we face, because the running game (The one two punch of CP & LB) is a scary sight. Betts trucked Samuels today for goodness sake

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[quote=diehardskin2982;349359]not all wins are going to be pretty but the overtime march with portis and betts was a thing of beauty.[/quote]

Yep, they definately could have ran that ball right down their throats. I was a little concerned that the 40yd fg was too long, but Suisham nailed it. All in all it was a big W and that's all that matters right now.

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Dynamite Rave, It's not like Lloyd gave up on that ball. It would have been an amazing catch anyhow, and he gave his all to try to get it, but he just wasn't able to grab it. I really don't see how you can blame Lloyd on that one. He tried his best. IMO, Lloyd outplayed Moss today.

Randel El looked great, I'd love to see some more of that throughout the season. The ground game looked great, I loved how they juggled RBs (except that time Betts did all the work and Portis got put in right by the redzone. Let Betts finish that off!)

We need more on our passing game. It's a waste if we have to keep Cooley in to block, he's not a blocker. He's an offensive weapon. On another positive note, I saw Betts make 2 very nice blocks, something he was terrible at last year.

Defense looked great on run D. Pass D I'm not as worried as everyone else. I have a few questions, 1) Where are all those GWill blitzes I love to see? 2) Is it me or did 53, 21, and 30 seem to be more or less not near the ball all day? Maybe that was a gameplan, I have no clue. But I didn't see those three get much done.

It's very hard for a pass D to look good when Trent Green has all day to find an open receiver. We have some positive to look at, but we have a lot more negative to look at. It's going to be a very tough week in practice for these guys.

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I think the call was right when Gibbs decided to kick on 2nd down. I'm sure because we are the Redskins something would have gone wrong like a holding call and we would have been out of field goal range.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;349408]Dynamite Rave, It's not like Lloyd gave up on that ball. It would have been an amazing catch anyhow, and he gave his all to try to get it, but he just wasn't able to grab it. I really don't see how you can blame Lloyd on that one. He tried his best. IMO, Lloyd outplayed Moss today.

Randel El looked great, I'd love to see some more of that throughout the season. The ground game looked great, I loved how they juggled RBs (except that time Betts did all the work and Portis got put in right by the redzone. Let Betts finish that off!)

[b]We need more on our passing game. It's a waste if we have to keep Cooley in to block, he's not a blocker. He's an offensive weapon. [/b] On another positive note, I saw Betts make 2 very nice blocks, something he was terrible at last year.

Defense looked great on run D. Pass D I'm not as worried as everyone else. I have a few questions, 1) Where are all those GWill blitzes I love to see? 2) Is it me or did 53, 21, and 30 seem to be more or less not near the ball all day? Maybe that was a gameplan, I have no clue. But I didn't see those three get much done.

It's very hard for a pass D to look good when Trent Green has all day to find an open receiver. We have some positive to look at, but we have a lot more negative to look at. It's going to be a very tough week in practice for these guys.[/QUOTE]

I agree with everything except what I put in bold.
Blocking is the key to winning, if we need our TE to block, then his ass needs to block. Had it not been for the drops, we would all be talking about this "high powered" offense...so what Saunders is doing is working.

ps- I said before that Cooley would have an off season offensively due to the fact that the Skins signed him too early, he has nothing to fight for now...when before he was fighting for a contract. I love the guy, don't get me wrong, but we aren't going to see Cooley as much as we have in the past.

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[QUOTE=Cowell;349410]I think the call was right when Gibbs decided to kick on 2nd down. I'm sure because we are the Redskins something would have gone wrong like a holding call and we would have been out of field goal range.[/QUOTE]

1st down.

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It was a sloppy win, but a win nevertheless. I think Carlos Rogers continues to give up waaay too much cushion. The dolphins were definitely targeting Smoot, but I think Smoot's play will improve as the season goes along. He should've had that INT. At least we were in position to get a pick, unlike last season.

Randle El! What can I say? The guy played great today! That catch of the deflection from Thomas as awesome! Would've been great if he had made it into the end zone, but at least there is another wide receiver who can be a deep threat other than Moss now.

Speaking of Moss, I'm not sure what was up with him today, but those drops were unlike him. I will say, some of the passes Campbell threw should've been a little bit lower and a little bit taken off on them. Still, there were some dropped passes that if they were caught, could've been big for us!

Campbell started off bad but improved. He missed one sure TD pass to Moss, but over all, his deep passes are right on! I haven't seen anybody have as good of a deep pass from this team since Mark Rypien.

Oh, and there is no need for Clinton Portis to play preseason. We have exactly what we want at RB!

Overall, very sloppy, but we came out with a win. We didn't get those close wins last year. I think we have a good chance at going 2-0! The eagles looked pretty sloppy today as well.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;349437]It was a sloppy win, but a win nevertheless. I think Carlos Rogers continues to give up waaay too much cushion. The dolphins were definitely targeting Smoot, but I think Smoot's play will improve as the season goes along. He should've had that INT. At least we were in position to get a pick, unlike last season.

Randle El! What can I say? The guy played great today! That catch of the deflection from Thomas as awesome! Would've been great if he had made it into the end zone, but at least there is another wide receiver who can be a deep threat other than Moss now.

[B]Speaking of Moss, I'm not sure what was up with him today, but those drops were unlike him. I will say, some of the passes Campbell threw should've been a little bit lower and a little bit taken off on them. Still, there were some dropped passes that if they were caught, could've been big for us![/B]

Campbell started off bad but improved. He missed one sure TD pass to Moss, but over all, his deep passes are right on! I haven't seen anybody have as good of a deep pass from this team since Mark Rypien.

Oh, and there is no need for Clinton Portis to play preseason. We have exactly what we want at RB!

Overall, very sloppy, but we came out with a win. We didn't get those close wins last year. I think we have a good chance at going 2-0! The eagles looked pretty sloppy today as well.[/QUOTE]

If you ask me Santana looked scared. Especially on the one where he jumped and it was just a little behind him but he was looking at the guy about to hit him instead of the ball.

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[QUOTE=Cowell;349441]If you ask me Santana looked scared. Especially on the one where he jumped and it was just a little behind him but he was looking at the guy about to hit him instead of the ball.[/QUOTE]

Definitely an off day for him, but I look for Moss to make up for it next week.

Has anybody said anything about Andre Carter? They guy should have a good solid year this year.

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[quote=squrrelco3;349299]I don't know about the rest of you guys...but I had to listen to the CBS announcers and Deirdorf and Gumble sounded like they were ready to climb out of the booth, walk down to the field, and start sucking Cam Cameron's d*ck...

They way they talked about him, you would have thought he was the second coming of Bill Walsh....

I'm glad we got the win...but we definately need to improve a little on defense...they lit us up underneath with those 5 - 10 yard passes...[/quote]
True-that squrrelco3, even with the 3 second delay during the 4th quarter, I had it on AM 950 the rest of the way with the T.V. on mute.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;349311]We were dominant, just didn't get the ball in the endzone. That will change with time. THe MNF game will be obviosuly a good one. GB is tougher than folks thought or Philly isn't as good.[/quote]
Dominant?.?. I wouldn't say that. While our running game looked good, our passing game was all kinds of out of sync. Hopefully JC will get that worked out soon.... Philly is no team to be trying to figure out how to throw the ball to your receivers, team. This team will come up and hit you in the mouth, and put your passing game back a few years.

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Ok so I still have huge questions about our Dline. Yes they helped stop the run, but that was more our safeties and LBs coming up to tackle. But what about a pass rush? I dont think our guys did a good enough job pressuring the QB. It seems like the front 4 cant get pressure on their own. With the except of 1-2 pressures by Andre Carter, our D line didnt seem to give them too much of a scare on passing downs.

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I actually thought the d-line did a decent job when rushing by themselves. Carter had some pressures and there were a few other times where Green got flushed out of the pocket.

And they were definitely stout against the run, any questions there were answered quite clearly today.