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Scouts Inc. ranked our QB sitation 3rd worst in the NFL.. Behind such QB stables as Oakland, Cleveland, TB, Chicago and Houston. It's really like they watch no football at all.

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That's pretty funny. Can you post the article? I can't read the whole thing. Thanks

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It only goes up to twelve unless you sign in. For us non members, we can't read... Could you add the rest of the article.

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What is so ridiculous about it? Reality doesn't sit well around here.

The fact's are we have a young unproven starter, and absolutly nothing behind him, Brunell and Collins are both a joke and have been since their arrival. Then we may have 2 possible backup's who have never taken a snap in the NFL. Once you come to the realization that Brunell is and has been finished since his arrival, and Collins is nothing more than an individual who understands Saunders offense but can't run it, there you have it, we have all our eggs in 1 basket, and that basket is a young inexperienced QB, after that we have nothing!

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Hahah wow complete bullshit, Baltimore is at 8th. Steve McNair proved that he has passed his prime, and they still have no plan for the future. Yeah, that's what I call a great QB situation.

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[QUOTE=offiss;326338]What is so ridiculous about it? Reality doesn't sit well around here.

The fact's are we have a young unproven starter, and absolutly nothing behind him, Brunell and Collins are both a joke and have been since their arrival. Then we may have 2 possible backup's who have never taken a snap in the NFL. Once you come to the realization that Brunell is and has been finished since his arrival, and Collins is nothing more than an individual who understands Saunders offense but can't run it, there you have it, we have all our eggs in 1 basket, and that basket is a young inexperienced QB, after that we have nothing![/QUOTE]

How are we not ranked higher than the Raiders then? Our "unproven" starter has more experience than theirs.

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JC is moving up the Fox FF ratings. HE started at 26, now is 22, so at least someone is giving him a rising stock, but the preseason mags are not impressed. It all doesn't mean squat. Only thing that means squat is what happens on the field. If it mattered what is said in the mags we would have no hope whatsoever. The highest we are picked is 3rd in our division by Street and Smith, the rest I have flipped through have us dead last. Hard to think the Gmen will be better than us so take everything with a grain of salt. I have been blasted for citing the preseason stuff, but some of the question marks they raise about us in 07' are valid.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;326342]How are we not ranked higher than the Raiders then? Our "unproven" starter has more experience than theirs.[/QUOTE]

I was unable to see all the rankings, but are we to get our feathers ruffled because we may be slightly better than the worst situation in the league? Bottom of the barrel regardless if you may be slighlty better than someone is still the bottom of the barrel, there is a long way to the top.

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It's not a new level.....it's the same old same old. Scout's inc along with the rest of the media, doesn't mean JACK SHIT.

They are completely useless. All that counts is WINS and MORE WINS, which we will have.

All you have to do is get it done on game day, it's that simple, then all of a sudden they will sing a different tune. All the other CRAP they are spitting out means NOTTA!

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In related news, Len Pasquerelli was caught urinating on a Jason Campbell jersey at ESPN's Bristol CT campus, prompting observers to declare an even newer level of disrespect for the Skins.

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What is funny is their description of us. They say JC is improving but makes some bad decisions. BUt they go on to say that Todd Collins is better than many number 2s in the league and he is our 3rd. what sense does that make?

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I'm not a Brunell lover, but he is a more then adequate backup. who cares what people write, anyway?

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If this is the case. I think it's fair to say that Jason Campbell is highly under-rated.

During his in the game experience, he's both grown and performed above anyones expectations.

Who honestly isn't ecstatic about this kid?

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hey rob, welcome back. where have you been hiding?

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These rankings are ridiculous.

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One part of me says: "Same old Same old"

Another part of me says: "Wait, Oakland (Rookie and a never-has been), Cleveland (rookie and TWO never has beens), Houston (THREE never has beens but one with some potential), Denver (Their second year is "Elway-Like"?? c'mon) - what BS groupthink is this?

Another part of me says: Eh, they may be right, we haven't shown much consistency at ANYTHING over the last fifteen years.

Another part of me says: JC's got all the skills they talk about [I]other[/I] young QB's having and is gonna tear apart the league. MB is more than adequate back up. Who cares what these idiots write. Do I give a flaming f*** what they think??


The voices inside my head cause me to twitch - I should go get my sniper rifle and see who keeps telling them to argue like this.

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[quote=dmek25;326393]hey rob, welcome back. where have you been hiding?[/quote]

I've been checking up every once in a while, but just got real busy.

I've got a steady job now, and some free time so I'll be here more often. How's life treating you dmek?

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I don't get the Cutler stuff. Campbell and Cutler's stats are identical from last year.

I am really surprised at the degree Campbell is flying under the radar this year, outside of Washington. With a few exceptions (John Clayton, Mort, Jim Mora) people are viewing him as a de facto inheriter of the position who is more back up material, rather than the guy who was chosen and groomed by Gibbs to be the man going into the future. That idiot Colin Cowheard was trashing the Skins on his crap show and argued, who ya gonna get to play quarterback? Jason Campbell? Come on! I'll take Eli Manning and the Giants any day (he then went on to praise the Giants offensive line situation, which grants some perspective).

Last time I checked Campbell was a first round pick with a championship pedigree who played solidly in his first couple NFL starts right? Am I missing something? When did he become a mo?

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[quote=offiss;326338]What is so ridiculous about it? Reality doesn't sit well around here.

The fact's are we have a young unproven starter, and absolutly nothing behind him, Brunell and Collins are both a joke and have been since their arrival. Then we may have 2 possible backup's who have never taken a snap in the NFL. Once you come to the realization that Brunell is and has been finished since his arrival, and Collins is nothing more than an individual who understands Saunders offense but can't run it, there you have it, we have all our eggs in 1 basket, and that basket is a young inexperienced QB, after that we have nothing![/quote]Cincinnati is #4 on this list.

Their backup is Doug Johnson.

Doug Johnson.

Makes Todd Collins look like Brett Favre.

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I dont know how much I agree with the Iggles at number 5, I think they said it best themselves with the opening sentence
"but now 31, he has lost significant playing time due to injuries over the past several seasons and durability is a big question."
The fact that the in his last three games before he sat out for the last 6 was averaging right around a 48% completion percantage and threw for a total of 2 touchdowns and a pick seems like a pretty darn good indicator that mcnabb is on the decline. Dont get me wrong, he's still a great athlete but to put the iggles at 5 with Mcnabb on the decline, Feely and Holcolmb, who are capable backups, but arent anything to wrtie home about both with a 1-1 TD-INT ratio an extremely average rating. Id put both San Diego and St. Louis in front of them. Both IMO have more capable backups with st. louis in Frerotte and San Diego with Volek.

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[quote=dmek25;326368]I'm not a Brunell lover, but he is a more then adequate backup. who cares what people write, anyway?[/quote]


Brunell is a horrible quarterback and if Campbell goes down the season is over except for the suffering.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;326428]Brunell is a horrible quarterback and if Campbell goes down the season is over except for the suffering.[/QUOTE]

Nah, Brunell is a guy who can manage games and not make the big mistake, which may not win you the superbowl, but is all you can really ask for from a backup.

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[QUOTE=offiss;326338]What is so ridiculous about it? Reality doesn't sit well around here.

The fact's are we have a young unproven starter, and absolutly nothing behind him, Brunell and Collins are both a joke and have been since their arrival. Then we may have 2 possible backup's who have never taken a snap in the NFL. Once you come to the realization that Brunell is and has been finished since his arrival, and Collins is nothing more than an individual who understands Saunders offense but can't run it, there you have it, we have all our eggs in 1 basket, and that basket is a young inexperienced QB, after that we have nothing![/QUOTE]

For as much as I hate to admit it, I think you're right.
However, we do have the potential to prove a ton of people wrong. I hope we do.
I do scratch my head at the raiders though. That's not right.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;326430]Nah, Brunell is a guy who can manage games and not make the big mistake, which may not win you the superbowl, but is all you can really ask for from a backup.[/QUOTE]

Well, I think you can ask more of your backup. The point of a backup is to be the guy in waiting to take over then show your stuff. Brunell won't show us anything, and he has already proven he can't win anything significant. Sure if has to play 4 games, he will likely win 2 of them, but our hopes lie with Campbell...quite frankly he didn't overly impress me last year...but I think he has good potential. Hopefully he did a lot of studying this offseason.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;326419]Cincinnati is #4 on this list.

Their backup is Doug Johnson.

Doug Johnson.

Makes Todd Collins look like Brett Favre.[/QUOTE]

But they have Carson Palmer...Carson Palmer!

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I can't understand how a young, athletic QB with a cannon where an arm should be, can be so lowly rated. For his first half year starting he was really good, IMO. His decision making will get alot better this year (always does with new QB's).

The only thing i can say is that when he leads us to the playoffs this year, it is going to be even sweeter for us when these hacks are made to eat their words!

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[QUOTE=Aussie_Skins_Fan;326442]I can't understand how a young, athletic QB with a cannon where an arm should be, can be so lowly rated. For his first half year starting he was really good, IMO. His decision making will get alot better this year (always does with new QB's).

The only thing i can say is that when he leads us to the playoffs this year, it is going to be even sweeter for us when these hacks are made to eat their words![/QUOTE]

Yeah but we have...Casey Bramlet. World Bowl MVP. Watch. He'll be our #3 this year and he'll have to come in and he'll become the new Frank Reich.

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I didn't see anybody repost the whole article, so here is the write up. I copied and pasted it from insider:
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30. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"]Washington Redskins[/URL][/B]
With a full offseason as the starter, young [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7201"]Jason Campbell[/URL] is expected to show vast improvement in 2007 and take over this team. He has excellent overall skills, a strong arm and a potentially outstanding deep ball, but he makes bad decisions at times and throws into coverage. The hope is that another year in the offensive system will help his recognition. The coaches will also utilize a run-oriented offense to take the pressure off. Veteran [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2485"]Mark Brunell[/URL] restructured his contract to stay as Campbell's mentor and backup. Even though his skills and arm strength are diminishing, he still knows this offense and his leadership and poise could be invaluable if Campbell falters and he was forced to play. The No. 3 QB will be [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2244"]Todd Collins[/URL]. He has a great grasp of this offense and he's probably better than a lot of No. 2 QBs in this league.

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Whatever. Until we actually win something, this is the way things go.

I prefer being underrated to over-hyped. It will make winning all the more sweet.

(For what it's worth, the write-up doesn't sound bad at all, except that it's number 30. Whatever.)

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;326428]Brunell is a horrible quarterback and if Campbell goes down the season is over except for the suffering.[/quote]Be careful not to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb.php]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2007[/url]

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;326428]Brunell is a horrible quarterback and if Campbell goes down the season is over except for the suffering.[/QUOTE]

Oh my gosh! A football related post from Crayzhorse! Will wonders never cease?

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;326428]Brunell is a horrible quarterback and if Campbell goes down the season is over except for the suffering.[/quote]

Are you serious, he is a more viable backup than at least half of the other QB's in the league. He did have a successful career up until he came to Washington. Now that he is healthy I am confident in his abilites to backup successfully if he needs to.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;326488]Are you serious, he is a more viable backup than at least half of the other QB's in the league. He did have a successful career up until he came to Washington. Now that he is healthy I am confident in his abilites to backup successfully if he needs to.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%, people tend to forget those pin point accuracy passes to Santana Moss 2 years when Moss had is record breakin season with the Redskins. That was the same year that Ramsey was supposed to be the man. If Brunell is healthy he is a good QB. So having a healthy Brunell on the bench does not worry me one bit...

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They pretty much only looked at the starters obviously. While they mentioned the backups, can anyone honestly tell me they really rated PAST the starters?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;326698]They pretty much only looked at the starters obviously. While they mentioned the backups, can anyone honestly tell me they really rated PAST the starters?[/QUOTE]

I am a lawyer - I can honestly tell you anything you want to hear.

But yes - this is just rating the starters.

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[quote=GMScud;326448]I didn't see anybody repost the whole article, so here is the write up. I copied and pasted it from insider:

[B]30. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"]Washington Redskins[/URL][/B]
With a full offseason as the starter, young [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7201"]Jason Campbell[/URL] is expected to show vast improvement in 2007 and take over this team. He has excellent overall skills, a strong arm and a potentially outstanding deep ball, but he makes bad decisions at times and throws into coverage. The hope is that another year in the offensive system will help his recognition. The coaches will also utilize a run-oriented offense to take the pressure off. Veteran [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2485"]Mark Brunell[/URL] restructured his contract to stay as Campbell's mentor and backup. Even though his skills and arm strength are diminishing, he still knows this offense and his leadership and poise could be invaluable if Campbell falters and he was forced to play. The No. 3 QB will be [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2244"]Todd Collins[/URL]. He has a great grasp of this offense and he's probably better than a lot of No. 2 QBs in this league.[/quote]

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning make bad decisions and they throw into coverage too. I can't count how many times I see Manning do it. If your going to be a great QB sometimes you have to take some chances. This means nothing to me. Just some dumb man's opinion. What's the old saying? Opinions are like assholes? Everyone has one but...... perhaps someone can complete this. I forgot the last part.

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[quote=Redskins8588;326523]I agree 100%, people tend to forget those pin point accuracy passes to Santana Moss 2 years when Moss had is record breakin season with the Redskins. That was the same year that Ramsey was supposed to be the man. If Brunell is healthy he is a good QB. So having a healthy Brunell on the bench does not worry me one bit...[/quote]

I agree but that's a BIG if. The guy has been hurt every year he has been here. But he should be fine if his shoulder has healed and he doesn't have to play for 5 weeks in a row. We can get by with him if he only has to play 1-3 weeks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;326711]Tom Brady and Peyton Manning make bad decisions and they throw into coverage too. I can't count how many times I see Manning do it. If your going to be a great QB sometimes you have to take some chances. This means nothing to me. Just some dumb man's opinion. What's the old saying? Opinions are like assholes? Everyone has one but......[/quote]


...Len Paquarelli. That fat bastard has two.

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really guys you get upset of a report that has jacksonville as the 11th best situation and baltimore in the top 10 come on really If I see a worse situation is NYG come Eli sucks we all know it tiki and his last name carried his ass the past 3 years and who's his backup if he goes down you don't have a brunnell type behind him.

just a question which spot was Dal put and what did it said don't have access and curios

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I like having Brunell as my backup...I would rather not see him on the field but having him there makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.