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I guess it is something "new" to talk about. "New" meaning we haven't been beating ourselves over the head with it for severals weeks now.

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Yeah, NFL radio brought this up today. I almost ran off the road in protest.

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Stupid is as stupid does, I said right before the first Briggs rumor, they will find a way to screw up this draft, at least what little draft we actually have!

I can already see the press confrence, with GM Joe, carrying on about what a great player we obtained, and what a great deal we recieved from the Bears, with Snyder Regurgitating his every word. Just what we need a high priced LB? How about just trading down a bit and take Willis? He's younger, faster, and would be much cheaper?

I know it's just a rumor, but they shouldn't even be answering a phone call from chicago, let alone entertain a trade for Briggs, personally I wouldn't make the trade for a third rd pick, I am not paying this guy big money! Especially a player who is willing to sit out rather than play for a SB contender for over 7 mil. I want nothing to do with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=offiss;303167] I want nothing to do with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Yup!

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i could think of alot worse things to pick up other than a pro bowl linebacker. i would rather have him then Landry

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[quote=dmek25;303197]i could think of alot worse things to pick up other than a pro bowl linebacker. i would rather have him then Landry[/quote]

I'll second that.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;303197]i could think of alot worse things to pick up other than a pro bowl linebacker. i would rather have him then Landry[/QUOTE]

But at what cost? Especially considering linebacker isn't a huge need?

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someone kill me now....if i hear about another trade rumor involving the chicago baby boy i might go ahead and end it myself. LOL. Come on saturday so all of these rumors go away.

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If the Bears are really desperate the Skins could squeeze them for another pick. They have held strong so far in not offering anything more to the Bears so hopefully they'll stay true to that.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;303219]If the Bears are really desperate the Skins could squeeze them for another pick. They have held strong so far in not offering anything more to the Bears so hopefully they'll stay true to that.[/QUOTE]

I can't believe I agree with offiss. Geez. Anyways yeah. I'd rather trade down and take Willis who is cheaper. I am just not sold on the greatness of Briggs. Good yeah but great? No. I see a guy like Willis as a cheaper alternative who could possibly be even better than Briggs.

But I also agree with Matty. If they are to do this deal I would put the thumb screws to Angelo. They're the ones who countered a silly counter to our offer and ended the trade basically. Now on the eve they come back looking to possibly take the original deal? Shoot I'd ask for a 3rd rounder in addition to Briggs now.

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[quote=FRPLG;303220]I can't believe I agree with offiss. Geez. Anyways yeah. I'd rather trade down and take Willis who is cheaper. I am just not sold on the greatness of Briggs. Good yeah but great? No. I see a guy like Willis as a cheaper alternative who could possibly be even better than Briggs.

But I also agree with Matty. If they are to do this deal I would put the thumb screws to Angelo. They're the ones who countered a silly counter to our offer and ended the trade basically. Now on the eve they come back looking to possibly take the original deal? Shoot I'd ask for a 3rd rounder in addition to Briggs now.[/quote]

Exactly. If we can extract an additional pick in this deal, like a 3rd rounder or something, then the deal has my blessing even though it would relegate Rocky to the bench. I'm interested in acquiring multiple players to fill a few needs, and I don't care how it gets done.

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[quote=Mattyk72;303219]If the Bears are really desperate the Skins could squeeze them for another pick. They have held strong so far in not offering anything more to the Bears so hopefully they'll stay true to that.[/quote]

This is what I'm thinking. They obviously don't think that Briggs is going to work out for them this year and WE are reaping the benefits. Sure, I'd LOVE to move down, pick up Pro Bowl LB AND possibly another pick! We take the best DT available at 31, then with our additional pick, grab a guard or DE. Reading all these articles out today definitely reminds me that there is no sure thing in the early rounds of the draft.

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[quote=FRPLG;303220]I can't believe I agree with offiss. Geez. Anyways yeah. I'd rather trade down and take Willis who is cheaper. I am just not sold on the greatness of Briggs. Good yeah but great? No. I see a guy like Willis as a cheaper alternative who could possibly be even better than Briggs.

But I also agree with Matty. If they are to do this deal I would put the thumb screws to Angelo. They're the ones who countered a silly counter to our offer and ended the trade basically. Now on the eve they come back looking to possibly take the original deal? Shoot I'd ask for a 3rd rounder in addition to Briggs now.[/quote]

I guess I'll jump on the Offiss bandwagon too. I wasn't sold on Briggs then, and I'm not sold on Briggs now. He's good, but not great. And if he aint great, we shouldn't be flaunting the sixth pick and turn right around and pay a sh*t load of money for Briggs' services.

I really think it's as plain and simple as that.

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What would we need to do is figure out how to get the Bears' 2nd rounder. Then we could get Briggs, at #31 draft someone like Justin Harrell or Michael Griffin, and at #37 get a Jarvis Moss or Anthony Spencer.

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Something tells me it would be awfully hard to pry their 2nd round pick away. I'm thinking a 3rd would be reasonable, as people have already suggested above.

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Unless we totally rape the Bears on this deal, I wouldn't do it. I'm tired of the Skins getting the short end of deals or barely breaking even.

Shit, throw in Kyle Orton or something!!

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My response is to the "we could only get their third is" - "Well, we don't need Briggs, he is a big talent - but if you want us to take him off your hands give us your first and second. You want Rocky? Tell you what, you throw in ur third, we'll throw in Marshall".

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[quote=Mattyk72;303233]Something tells me it would be awfully hard to pry their 2nd round pick away. I'm thinking a 3rd would be reasonable, as people have already suggested above.[/quote]

We definelty need there third to do this deal. We either get Okoye or Landry with the 6th.

Or Briggs, A. Spencer (DE Purdue) or Harrell (DT Tenn) at 31, and the best DT or S available in the third.

The latter seems a little better to me.

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Man I thought that the skins were trying to be more cap conscious this year and in the future. Signing a 3rd starting caliber WLB for 7 mil a year does not go under that category.

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I thought it was the Bears who were firm on getting another pick with this deal -- not the other way around.

It all depends on who is more desperate. And if past performance is any indicator of the future, we know which team that generally turns out to be.

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I dont think that we could possibly get anything more than just swapping picks. We will not get another draft pick. This is because we already offered just swapping picks once, so the Bears know that we are willing to do this, and they will probably take nothing less. The only way I see us getting more picks is by throwing another player in the trade.

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I keep hearing rumors that Spencer is going to go somewhere in the 1st round, possibly to Dallas. Granted, they are just rumors, but Spencer is getting a lot of air time lately.

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Didn't Gibbs trade two second round picks to move up and select McIntosh as our future weakside LB??? I'd rather give Rocky a chance to develop. He's far cheaper than Briggs will be, and that money saved could be used to bolster the D-line, the real weakness of this defense.

Briggs looks great playing behind the best D-line in the NFC, not to mention playing next to Urlacher. How would he look behind our seive of a D-line? My biggest concern is that he has been a product of the talented players around him.

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JLC's article in todays Wash.Post on the prospective trade for Briggs further illustrates the Redskins long-practicing desire to trade 1st round picks for established players. Since they obviously feel there is no one at #6 who will make an immediate impact, this trade for Briggs from their perspective is attractive.

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This will not happen...this is just Drew R. leaking a "story" to the Post. Trying to get some buzz going to influence his potential payday. Drew is desperate to get something done and the Post is desperate for some sort of inside story on the 'skins since they know longer have the access they did pre Snyder. Not worth the speculation.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;303254]I dont think that we could possibly get anything more than just swapping picks. We will not get another draft pick. This is because we already offered just swapping picks once, so the Bears know that we are willing to do this, and they will probably take nothing less. The only way I see us getting more picks is by throwing another player in the trade.[/quote]

I think the Bears have become more desperate though, I think they were expecting to be able to unload Briggs to somebody well before this Saturday, but they haven't been able to. Now in the final hour, their choice is to take the best deal they can get for him, or have him sit out 10 games of the year as he's threatened to do. For once, the other team is the one with their backs against the wall in a trade negotiation.

JLC seems to hint that the Skins could be trying to extract another pick.

[QUOTE]According to one league source, the Bears could settle for Washington's original offer prior to Saturday should no better deal come along. The Redskins could in turn request additional compensation for their first-round draft choice.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/26/AR2007042602711.html]Redskins May Still Trade for Briggs - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=dmanley;303280]This will not happen...this is just Drew R. leaking a "story" to the Post. Trying to get some buzz going to influence his potential payday. Drew is desperate to get something done and the Post is desperate for some sort of inside story on the 'skins since they know longer have the access they did pre Snyder. Not worth the speculation.[/QUOTE]


I have never bees on board with this trade from the beginning, so I hope what you're saying is right.

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Watch us get Arch back in a trade.

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Briggs would be a disastrous deal no matter how you look at it. The guy makes a whole lot of money, and played along Brian Urlacher...not london fletcher.

If we just go through the motions and make our draft picks for the next few years, we will get our turn at the playoffs, instead we take shortcuts and dig ourselves bigger holes

we need dan snyder to stop talking to Drew Rosenhouse, and we need Dan Snyder never play a role in picking players ever again, then we would be ok

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;303292]Briggs would be a disastrous deal no matter how you look at it. The guy makes a whole lot of money, and played along Brian Urlacher...not london fletcher.

If we just go through the motions and make our draft picks for the next few years, we will get our turn at the playoffs, instead we take shortcuts and dig ourselves bigger holes

we need dan snyder to stop talking to Drew Rosenhouse, and we need Dan Snyder never play a role in picking players ever again, then we would be ok[/QUOTE]


Explains the need for a true GM. Mr. Snyder and his decision making is a typical example of why my signature makes sense.

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[quote=Beemnseven;303210]But at what cost? Especially considering linebacker isn't a huge need?[/quote]

I will take heat for this (if anyone even pays attention to my post) but I have come around on this trade. I actually am starting to think LB is a huge need (and Willis is a inside not an outside backer for those who want him, he could switch but who knows how that would go). I was just thinking of all the times that teams ran right at Warrick Holdman last year (and the year before) and he just got smoked. Obviously McIntosh wasn't all that much better or he would have been in there. I think having Briggs would actually go a long way towards shoring up the run D and would certainly be a lot more helpful that having Laundry. The issue is the cap hit more than anything else.

Here is the dream scenario, which will never happen, but we could dream.

Lance Briggs
#31 Pick
#37 Pick (which we traded to NYJ to move up and get McIntosh and Bears got for T. Jones)

for

Rocky McIntosh
#6 Pick

Then we could give up on Rocky, upgrade tremendously at WLB, and actually not lose anything because we would get the pick back that was given up to get McIntosh. Plus, we could get a DT or DE at #31. Think about this too, if you say WLB isn't a huge need, then why would you say DT is a huge need? Didn't Golston outperform McIntosh last year? Despite Rocky being a higher pick, wouldn't that make LB more imperative than DT? Marshall is ok as a #2, but no where near the player that Briggs is. Anyone ever consider that Briggs playing next to Urlacher actually made Urlacher better? Everyone loves that guy, but Briggs is a player pure and simple. I don't think this would be a bad move (depending upon the particulars) and have really come around on the idea.

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I'm starting to think that it may happen. Maybe McIntosh will be learning the Mike under Fltecher this season?
Also, for those of you that constantly throw out there that Lance Briggs only played well be cause he played next to Urlacher think about this. It was his second season that he broke out, that year he had 125 tackles and 1 pick. Urlacher was there for 9 games that year and that's when Briggs made his name. So having Urlacher there isn't what made him the player that he was IMO. Now granted he does have a top notch D-Line in front of him so I don't have anything for that. To simply say that it's because of Urlacher that he is who he is isn't a fair assesment to me.
From reading the article and thinking about this trade in my head, Washington really does hold all the cards in the deal. If Chicago is so hard pressed about shipping Briggs out then Washington can pretty much do what they did before and hit Chicago with a take it or leave it deal. If they can find a way to get another pick then I say do it. The only thing that concerns me is just how big of a contract are they talking about giving this guy?

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i we could get that trade that SC SKINS FAN said i think would make fans feel a little better about the situation because we would get the pick we traded to get mcintosh. but i just dont understand the redskins as an organization. if we dont value the draft or dont think these guys cant play right away why did we make a trade last year to get McIntosh if we are to just going trade him away this year.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;303326][B]Now granted he does have a top notch D-Line in front of him so I don't have anything for that.[/B][/quote]

You hit on the biggest problem with this Briggs deal, though. LBs are only as good as the defensive line playing in front of them.

Think about the star LBs playing around the league. How many are playing with crappy defensive lines? If our line doesn't get better, Briggs isn't going to make much of a difference for us.

Now I should note, London Fletcher may make an impact on our defensive line play. He'll be responsible for lining guys up right and hopefully will do the job just as well as Antonio Pierce did. Just having the linemen in the right place before the snap could make a huge difference. Maybe that's what GW is counting on. But if we don't get better line play, Briggs is going to make little to no impact as he'll be swept away by the wave of linemen pushing in his direction.

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Very true Schneed. Maybe they're thinking about bringing in Ian Scott ?

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John Clayton JUST weighed in on this on SportsCenter. He said Briggs would have to restructure his contract since we can't afford the $7.2M cap hit, AND Briggs would have to take and pass a physical. This all has to happen before around 1pm tomorrow. Not likely. He said time is running out. Also, if there was a player on the Skins who would move to Chicago it would be Lemar Marshall, not Rocky.

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[quote=GMScud;303446]John Clayton JUST weighed in on this on SportsCenter. He said Briggs would have to restructure his contract since we can't afford the $7.2M cap hit, AND Briggs would have to take and pass a physical. This all has to happen before around 1pm tomorrow. Not likely. He said time is running out. Also, if there was a player on the Skins who would move to Chicago it would be Lemar Marshall, not Rocky.[/quote]

Good.

I can't wait to put this story to bed once and for all.

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[quote=Mattyk72;303451]Good.

I can't wait to put this story to bed once and for all.[/quote]

Well good news, it HAS been put to bed. Clayton just came on again a second ago and said talks have broken off. It's over with and WILL NOT happen. Time ran out. Period. This is the last any of us ever have to talk about this.

YESSSSSSSS

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Please be true. Man the bears GM is an idiot for not pulling the trigger on that first deal. What are they going to do with Briggs now?

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Great, let's get back to freaking out over the draft.