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Last year, we lost too many games, and this is something we all know. Since I've joined this site (not that long ago) I have learned and heard just about every reason we didn't pull out more wins last year. One thing I haven't seen discussed is how we couldn't hold on to a lead in the second half, or score/hold the oppenents on key drives. Our discussions have been about free agents, trades, and the draft. I'm pretty concerned about this and I wish I had the figures to back up my thread, but I'm not any good at getting stats together.

Do you think we have addressed these problems? I don't think this is something we can fix just through the draft and free angency alone.

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[quote=hagams;298122]Last year, we lost too many games, and this is something we all know. Since I've joined this site (not that long ago) I have learned and heard just about every reason we didn't pull out more wins last year. One thing I haven't seen discussed is how we couldn't hold on to a lead in the second half, or score/hold the oppenents on key drives. Our discussions have been about free agents, trades, and the draft. I'm pretty concerned about this and I wish I had the figures to back up my thread, but I'm not any good at getting stats together.

Do you think we have addressed these problems? I don't think this is something we can fix just through the draft and free angency alone.[/quote]Well, Hagams, I see where you are coming from, but try looking at it from this angle:

Each football game that's ever been played is unique in and of itself. One of the great things about the sport is that a lot of crazy, fun stuff can happen, and for no good reason. A lot of what goes on in football games is just random functions of dumb luck, and the unlucky team just has to overcome. Such is the world of football, and all sports even.

Were their occurences where we gave up a lead last year? Certainly. Did we usually fail to score when we needed it and also fail to hold our oppenents when we needed it? Of course. Does this mean we have an inherent team issue with either of these things? Not at all.

A football season is only 16 games long, so its tough to say the luck will even out. We certainly overcame Dallas and Jacksonville in dramatic fashion, and got some timely luck against Carolina and New Orleans. So it wasn't all bad. Just give it 16 more games. I promise the chances of 2006 repeating itself for us are astronomical.

Just because something happened once or twice does not give us reason to expect it will ever happen again.

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Yeah I think we could say that we had trouble holding a lead at times, but there were also plenty of other games where we had trouble coming from behind. The 21-19 loss to Philly sticks out in my mind. With about 6 minutes left and down 21-16, we have 3rd & goal on the Eagles' 8 yard line. Jason Campbell takes a sack and a loss of 8 yards, we settle for a field goal, and lose as the Eagles never gave the ball back to us.

That game embodies a lot of what went wrong for us last year. You could say we weren't very efficient with red zone offense, as Campbell failed to get us a TD on that possession against Philly. But our Red Zone problems existed in the first 3 quarters of the game just as much as in the 4th quarter. You could say we were horrible at stopping the run, which was embodied by the Eagles pounding us to run the last 5 minutes off the clock. But we all know we couldn't stop the run at any point in the game (Tiki, anyone?).

Remember when Archuleta got torched by Witten at the end of the Dallas game, which by all rights the Cowboys should have won? That doesn't mean we have problems with our coverage in the clutch. We just had problems with our coverage, period. You certainly remember that.

We didn't have a problem with sucking in the 4th quarter. We had a problem with sucking, period. GW needs some schematic adjustments, we need some healthier players, we need better completion % from Campbell, we need to run more effectively in the red zone, we need to be stronger up front against the run. We have a lot of deficiencies, but it has nothing to do with what quarter it is.

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[quote=Schneed10;298165]We didn't have a problem with sucking in the 4th quarter. We had a problem with sucking, period. GW needs some schematic adjustments, we need some healthier players, we need better completion % from Campbell, we need to run more effectively in the red zone, we need to be stronger up front against the run. We have a lot of deficiencies, but it has nothing to do with what quarter it is.[/quote]Well said as usual.

We also need better blocking in power on power running situations, we have a tendency to lose those.

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I have always felt that one of Gibbs biggest problems on his return is being too passive when it comes down to it. He feels like two scores is enough to start running the ball three times and punting. In this league even two touchdowns in the 3rd quarter isn't near impossible to come back on. We seem to always try to make our defense hold the other team rather than scoring and making it that much more difficult.

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[quote=hagams;298122]Last year, we lost too many games, and this is something we all know. Since I've joined this site (not that long ago) I have learned and heard just about every reason we didn't pull out more wins last year. One thing I haven't seen discussed is how we couldn't hold on to a lead in the second half, or score/hold the oppenents on key drives. Our discussions have been about free agents, trades, and the draft. I'm pretty concerned about this and I wish I had the figures to back up my thread, but I'm not any good at getting stats together.

Do you think we have addressed these problems? I don't think this is something we can fix just through the draft and free angency alone.[/quote]

I think that what you are saying is true, and what the cause was a lack of depth defensively and a lack experience offensively. Primarily, we struggled when our defense field units without Springs, Griffith, Salavea, or Washington. Most of the time, at least 2 of the 4 were out or playing hurt. Combine that with the bad luck of having every turnover bounce right to the other team and you have a recipe for disaster. Without the injuries and turnovers I can easily see us winning the Minnesota, Tennessee, Atlanta, and 2nd Giants game. Except for the Giants game, the others were all lost in the second half.

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[quote=Daseal;298175]I have always felt that one of Gibbs biggest problems on his return is being too passive when it comes down to it. He feels like two scores is enough to start running the ball three times and punting. In this league even two touchdowns in the 3rd quarter isn't near impossible to come back on. We seem to always try to make our defense hold the other team rather than scoring and making it that much more difficult.[/quote]Maybe the coaching is fine. Maybe the defense just sucks and gives up big leads with ease?

Is Gibbs also telling his RB's to not get the first downs with the lead? Is he also telling his QB to not complete passes so that they can stop the clock and be forced to punt?

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We had too many quick 4th down situation last year, especially with mark brunell.

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[quote=airsoftking;298180]We had too many quick 4th down situation last year, especially with mark brunell.[/quote]We had a lot more three and outs with Campbell. Like, near double.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;298178]Maybe the coaching is fine. Maybe the defense just sucks and gives up big leads with ease?

Is Gibbs also telling his RB's to not get the first downs with the lead? Is he also telling his QB to not complete passes so that they can stop the clock and be forced to punt?[/QUOTE]

I think the thought is that Gibbs in many ways seems more conservative in his philosophy.

There were times when we were either clinging to a slim lead or trailing just before halftime and Gibbs would call draw plays with more than a minute left and a couple of time-outs left. Or going for field goals when he should have gone for it on fourth down.

Certainly Gibbs doesn't call for incomplete passes or running plays that fail to reach the down-marker. No one's implying that. But there is a clear difference in his overall game time decision-making that is not now what it used to be.

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What I'm saying is this, Gtripp: Joe Gibbs is ultra conservative, and that doesn't fly anymore. Greg Williams has consistently proven himself as quite a great defensive coordinator. I will take his recent track record over anyone elses. I see this year as the exception, not the rule. Especially seeing as how he couldn't do what he likes to do thanks to early injuries to our secondary.

Winning games shouldn't be put squarely on our defenses shoulders every week. Sometimes we need to grow some balls, man up, and try to put more points up. Have you not seen in the 4th quarter up by a touchdown the skins touch the ball 2-3 times on offense and easily go 3 and out each time. I mark this up to overall coaching and game management. Sometimes you have to rely on your defense, but sometimes you need to put points up. In '05 I saw our defense ripped on this board for being forced, every week, to try to save the game for the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;298175]I have always felt that one of Gibbs biggest problems on his return is being too passive when it comes down to it. He feels like two scores is enough to start running the ball three times and punting. In this league even two touchdowns in the 3rd quarter isn't near impossible to come back on. We seem to always try to make our defense hold the other team rather than scoring and making it that much more difficult.[/QUOTE]

I seem to remember this past season, Saunders got away from the run when we should have stuck with it, and it seemed as if our offense didn't establish an identity. In turn, that hurt our offense more than being "ultra conservative." When this team did start to turn to the run more, our offense started to improve. Scoring points can have as much to do with the defense not holding the other team as it can the offense scoring those points.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;298286]What I'm saying is this, Gtripp: Joe Gibbs is ultra conservative, and that doesn't fly anymore. [/quote]

That logically is incorrect. Gibbs' offense was ran in his second year back (in 11 years I might add) when the Redskins went to the playoffs and advanced. Heck, the Redskins fired off 5 or 6 wins in a row because they went to the run game more. Looking back at it this year...you have Al Saunders calling his offense, and G. Williams' defense collapsing. That has nothing to do with Joe Gibbs' offensive philosophy. By looking at the facts, it isn't Joe Gibbs being ultra conservative, it is the whole picture with a new guy calling plays and the defense letting us down.


[QUOTE=Daseal;298286]
Greg Williams has consistently proven himself as quite a great defensive coordinator. I will take his recent track record over anyone elses. I see this year as the exception, not the rule. Especially seeing as how he couldn't do what he likes to do thanks to early injuries to our secondary.
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The same could be said for Joe Gibbs. He has consistently proven himself as a Head Coach, something Gregg Williams has yet to do. If we use this past year as an exception, then why not apply the same for Joe Gibbs and this run? Gibbs had injuries as well on the offensive side of the ball? Heck, Joe Gibbs has already proven himself able to lead a consistently bad team to the playoffs in this day and age.

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[quote]That logically is incorrect. Gibbs' offense was ran in his second year back (in 11 years I might add) when the Redskins went to the playoffs and advanced. Heck, the Redskins fired off 5 or 6 wins in a row because they went to the run game more. Looking back at it this year...you have Al Saunders calling his offense, and G. Williams' defense collapsing. That has nothing to do with Joe Gibbs' offensive philosophy. By looking at the facts, it isn't Joe Gibbs being ultra conservative, it is the whole picture with a new guy calling plays and the defense letting us down.[/quote]
Where did I say don't run? I think our line and team is built to pound the rock, and I love a solid running game. I don't think running up the middle three times is a good strategy, but we need to run. And right, it has nothing to do with his offensive philosophy, notice I said game management. Gibbs is the one telling these guys roughly how he wants the game to go. If you want to look back since GIbbs has been back it's been the same thing as last year.

I'm not blaming Saunders or Gibbs for the offense last year. It takes time to get a new philosophy in and implemented, especially with the type of turn over we have over the typical year. The defense this year was subpar, but since GWilliams has been here he's done nothing but put an amazing product on the field, even before he came here his defenses have often been top 10.

[quote]The same could be said for Joe Gibbs. He has consistently proven himself as a Head Coach, something Gregg Williams has yet to do. If we use this past year as an exception, then why not apply the same for Joe Gibbs and this run? Gibbs had injuries as well on the offensive side of the ball? Heck, Joe Gibbs has already proven himself able to lead a consistently bad team to the playoffs in this day and age.[/quote]
As you said yourself, Gibbs was gone for 11 years. And Joe Gibbs [b]HAD[/b] a pass for two years before I really started being critical. Yes, we all know what he did in the 80s, that's great, you know my feeling on that. As far as consistently proven himself? I haven't seen anything of that sort in his latest stint. You're still living in the glory days, look at Gibbs 2.0 for face value, he's not in the top half of NFL coaches right now. Are you saying that the offensive injuries were even close to the defensive ones? I can't see that at all! Greg Williams has one bad year in how many years in the league? Gibbs could win in the 80's, it's still yet to be seen in the 2000's.

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[quote=hagams;298122]Last year, we lost too many games, and this is something we all know. Since I've joined this site (not that long ago) I have learned and heard just about every reason we didn't pull out more wins last year. One thing I haven't seen discussed is how we couldn't hold on to a lead in the second half, or score/hold the oppenents on key drives. Our discussions have been about free agents, trades, and the draft. I'm pretty concerned about this and I wish I had the figures to back up my thread, but I'm not any good at getting stats together.

Do you think we have addressed these problems? I don't think this is something we can fix just through the draft and free angency alone.[/quote]


the real reason that we didnt win more games is because we didnt score more points than the opposition did in 11 out of 16 games

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Joe Gibbs conservative? Do you not remember the Posse back in the 80's? The running game was the heart of the offense for sure, but our aerial attack was second to none when we had Monk, Clark, and Saunders. We even kicked Bronco ass with those guys and Elway and Co were supposed to be the best. Gibbs isn't conservative, just is too loyal for his own good with regards to keeping Mark as starting QB for too long last year. That is my only gripe against coach. His sticking with MB cost him 3 playoff years in a row possibly, in which his legacy would be even greater than what is was. IF he doesn't improve to at least 9-7 this season, his legacy will probably be tarnished for good. The 80's are fast becoming ancient history and you have an entire generation of younger fans that don't remember being to a Super Bowl, etc. Coach needs to get back to calling the plays and if JC sucks stick another guy in there pronto.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;298359]the real reason that we didnt win more games is because we didnt score more points than the opposition did in 11 out of 16 games[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer

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[quote]Joe Gibbs conservative? Do you not remember the Posse back in the 80's? The running game was the heart of the offense for sure, but our aerial attack was second to none when we had Monk, Clark, and Saunders. We even kicked Bronco ass with those guys and Elway and Co were supposed to be the best. Gibbs isn't conservative, just is too loyal for his own good with regards to keeping Mark as starting QB for too long last year. That is my only gripe against coach. His sticking with MB cost him 3 playoff years in a row possibly, in which his legacy would be even greater than what is was. IF he doesn't improve to at least 9-7 this season, his legacy will probably be tarnished for good. The 80's are fast becoming ancient history and you have an entire generation of younger fans that don't remember being to a Super Bowl, etc. Coach needs to get back to calling the plays and if JC sucks stick another guy in there pronto.[/quote]
For the 90th time, this isn't the 80s. He's conservative now, maybe not then, but he is now.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;298348]Where did I say don't run? I think our line and team is built to pound the rock, and I love a solid running game. I don't think running up the middle three times is a good strategy, but we need to run. And right, it has nothing to do with his offensive philosophy, notice I said game management. Gibbs is the one telling these guys roughly how he wants the game to go. If you want to look back since GIbbs has been back it's been the same thing as last year.[/quote]

Hhhhmmm. Something doesn't quite mesh. Didn't you say Joe Gibbs' problem was that he was ultra conservative and that being ultra conservative doesn't fly anymore? So, wouldn't that in fact be saying that his offensive philosophy cannot work? After all, Gibbs' philosophy is a ball controlled offense. Looking back on last year, the playcalling was all over the page. The offense didn't have an identity. Saunders couldn't decide if this offense was going to be a pass oriented offense or a run oriented. Gibbs let the reigns go last year. Anything we did wrong or right had to do with Saunders calling the plays, not Gibbs telling him which ones to call.

[QUOTE=Daseal;298348]
I'm not blaming Saunders or Gibbs for the offense last year. It takes time to get a new philosophy in and implemented, especially with the type of turn over we have over the typical year. The defense this year was subpar, but since GWilliams has been here he's done nothing but put an amazing product on the field, even before he came here his defenses have often been top 10.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but exactly who are you blaming? You just said that running up the middle three times in a row isn't good strategy which I definitely agree, but then isn't that blaming the one calling the plays? So, who called the plays? Saunders.

[QUOTE=Daseal;298348]
As you said yourself, Gibbs was gone for 11 years. And Joe Gibbs [b]HAD[/b] a pass for two years before I really started being critical. Yes, we all know what he did in the 80s, that's great, you know my feeling on that. As far as consistently proven himself? I haven't seen anything of that sort in his latest stint. You're still living in the glory days, look at Gibbs 2.0 for face value, he's not in the top half of NFL coaches right now. Are you saying that the offensive injuries were even close to the defensive ones? I can't see that at all! Greg Williams has one bad year in how many years in the league? Gibbs could win in the 80's, it's still yet to be seen in the 2000's.[/QUOTE]

Did he not in fact get the Redskins into the playoffs and advance into the playoffs in his second year back with the Redskins? How can you say he hasn't proven anything? Neither one of the last two coaches prior to Gibbs' return was able to do such. It has already been seen that Gibbs can win in this decade, because he went 10-6 in his second year. Daseal, there was way more wrong with this team than what appeared to us when we watched this team on Sundays. Even the fact that Gibbs has been able to squeeze one good season out of the three that he has been here so far shows that he still has it. I don't blame you for being critical and wanting to win now. Heck, we all want to win, but don't you want this team winning on a consistent basis? That takes time to develop.

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[quote]I'm sorry, but exactly who are you blaming? You just said that running up the middle three times in a row isn't good strategy which I definitely agree, but then isn't that blaming the one calling the plays? So, who called the plays? Saunders.[/quote]
Last year isn't the main gripe I have. I understand we had a new playcaller and it takes time to get that rolling. It's the other years he's been here. And while Saunders calls the plays, is not the head coach in charge of the tempo of the game he wants? Certain types of plays, etc. We did up the middle a lot less last year actually. I want to see the occasional [b]high percentage[/b] type throws, the occassional deep pass, or in the very least throwing it to the chains on 3rd down!

[quote]I don't blame you for being critical and wanting to win now. Heck, we all want to win, but don't you want this team winning on a consistent basis? That takes time to develop.[/quote]
Actually while I always want to "win" I don't want win now like Gibbs is doing. He is tossing draft picks all over and sending our cap into dire straights. Im curious how much longer we can go with this. I'm ready for a younger coach that could be here longterm, build through the draft, and build the team instead of trying to buy the championship.

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[quote=hagams;298122]Last year, we lost too many games, and this is something we all know. Since I've joined this site (not that long ago) I have learned and heard just about every reason we didn't pull out more wins last year. One thing I haven't seen discussed is how we couldn't hold on to a lead in the second half, or score/hold the oppenents on key drives. Our discussions have been about free agents, trades, and the draft. I'm pretty concerned about this and I wish I had the figures to back up my thread, but I'm not any good at getting stats together.

Do you think we have addressed these problems? I don't think this is something we can fix just through the draft and free angency alone.[/quote]

Fixing our team is not oing to be enough. Going down the stretch, we blew a lot of really close games, and we continued to because we more-likely-than-not, lost them. The only two games we hung on in the clutch were HOME aginst our biggest rival, and vs Jacksonville in Week 4, with our only win, close v.s. Houston. We just assumed that we were going to lose. Team chemistry is increibly important, and we need to build confidence. We will be able to becaus of our early season schedule.

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The one hing the skins have to stop doing in close games is giving up stupid penalties. They cost us tons. We were the NFL's most penalized team.

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I think its because teams made better half time adjustments than we did in the games that we dominated in the first half. I blame that on the coordinators. Or should I say Assistant Head Coaches Offense/Defense.

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Can we all agree on this point:

No matter what the playcall is, or how conservative it is, we should be able to execute it for a first down a reasonable amount of times...and we certainly didn't execute this year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;298503]Can we all agree on this point:

No matter what the playcall is, or how conservative it is, we should be able to execute it for a first down a reasonable amount of times...and we certainly didn't execute this year.[/quote]

While a well oiled machine will execute the majority of the time, our team just isn't there yet. So in essence there are more issues than originally stated. To sum it up I concur.

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[quote=angryssg;298506]While a well oiled machine will execute the majority of the time, our team just isn't there yet. So in essence there are more issues than originally stated. To sum it up I concur.[/quote]Yeah, we pretty much need to bring our personel to the next level to be a playoff contender.

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[quote=GTripp0012;298509]Yeah, we pretty much need to bring our personel to the next level to be a playoff contender.[/quote]

After watching offenses such as SD and INDY, and then looking at ours, we were lathargic.

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[quote=angryssg;298511]After watching offenses such as SD and INDY, and then looking at ours, we were lathargic.[/quote]Offensively we do a lot of stuff well. We have great YAC receivers and a wonderful QB situation. We have a two headed monster at RB, possibly the leagues' top TE, and an offensive line that is one of the better lines in the league. We just have flaws in the little points of offense that make scoring in the redzone and sustaining drives difficult. We were horrible on 3rd/4th and short last year and at running the ball in the red zone as there are numerous examples. Those things are really critical to being a successful offense, and are not easily fixed.

A talented blocking TE would be a good start though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;298513]Offensively we do a lot of stuff well. We have great YAC receivers and a wonderful QB situation. We have a two headed monster at RB, possibly the leagues' top TE, and an offensive line that is one of the better lines in the league. We just have flaws in the little points of offense that make scoring in the redzone and sustaining drives difficult. We were horrible on 3rd/4th and short last year and at running the ball in the red zone as there are numerous examples. Those things are really critical to being a successful offense, and are not easily fixed.

A talented blocking TE would be a good start though.[/quote]

I dont know about that. Fauria was supposed to be a good blocking TE. I do not know yet how much he really helped.

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[quote=angryssg;298515]I dont know about that. Fauria was supposed to be a good blocking TE. I do not know yet how much he really helped.[/quote]Well, he certainly failed the eyeball test.

Fauria is and was not ever a good blocker. It shouldn't be shocking to us that he sucked at blocking. He was a short range goalline target in his heyday, and that never changed.

I didn't like the signing when we made it, and I'm glad he's gone.

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[quote=GTripp0012;298518]Well, he certainly failed the eyeball test.

Fauria is and was not ever a good blocker. It shouldn't be shocking to us that he sucked at blocking. He was a short range goalline target in his heyday, and that never changed.

I didn't like the signing when we made it, and I'm glad he's gone.[/quote]

I am merely stating what the so called experts claimed that he was. I didn't say it. I was dumbfounded by the signing and relieved by the release.

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Last season we had so many tough loses. We always seemed to be in a close battle even without a pass rush and forcing no turnovers. IF and only IF we get a good pass rusher and can generate turnovers will this team be successful. I am really shocked that we have not at least signed one defensive lineman in freeagency...granted there was not much out there, but we have only one major draft pick that is not enough to address a pitiful pass rush.

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our defense was flat out brutal last season. for us to be in alot of the games was a miracle. but i don't see the defense playing like that again. Greg Williams head coaching career probably depends on it

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[quote=redskins159;298648]Last season we had so many tough loses. We always seemed to be in a close battle even without a pass rush and forcing no turnovers. IF and only IF we get a good pass rusher and can generate turnovers will this team be successful. I am really shocked that we have not at least signed one defensive lineman in freeagency...granted there was not much out there, but we have only one major draft pick that is not enough to address a pitiful pass rush.[/quote]

Well said. Turnovers guys. Turnovers.

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or we need to score more points it just proves my new theory:

Score more points than the other team and 100 percent of the time you will win

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[QUOTE=Daseal;298412]Last year isn't the main gripe I have. I understand we had a new playcaller and it takes time to get that rolling. It's the other years he's been here. And while Saunders calls the plays, is not the head coach in charge of the tempo of the game he wants? Certain types of plays, etc. We did up the middle a lot less last year actually. I want to see the occasional [b]high percentage[/b] type throws, the occassional deep pass, or in the very least throwing it to the chains on 3rd down![/quote]

I'm sure the Head Coach has the final say in what he expects, but if your team is built to be ball controlled, then it's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. You have to play to your team's strengths. Our strength is a ball controlled offense. Hopefully if Campbell continues to improve, then the offense will have a better chance at stretching the field more, but I believe this team will continue to be a run first team regardless.

[QUOTE=Daseal;298412]Actually while I always want to "win" I don't want win now like Gibbs is doing. He is tossing draft picks all over and sending our cap into dire straights. Im curious how much longer we can go with this. I'm ready for a younger coach that could be here longterm, build through the draft, and build the team instead of trying to buy the championship.[/QUOTE]

How is Gibbs sending our cap into dire straits? Daseal, Gibbs doesn't control the financial side of the team. That isn't his job. It isn't logical to blame Joe Gibbs for that. We are not doing anything of the sorts as to what we did in 2000. There are no Bruce Smiths, Jeff Georges, or Dion Sanders on this team. Step back and look at the acquisitions we have made this year and the overall roster. This team IS getting younger and appears to be getting quality players. We're not trying to go out and to pick up big name guys in the twilight of their careers.

Everybody looks like what the Dallas Cowboys did in the early 90's and suddenly that is supposed to be the formula for success. Well, guess what, that was over a decade ago itself. That was in the early stages of free agency and the salary cap....those aspects have changed significantly since that point. Don't get me wrong, I agree that we need guys who aren't all 35 and older, but with the exception of Brunell, this Redskins team IS a fairly young team. Just because the Dallas Cowboys had gotten guys like Smith, Irvin, and Akiman doesn't mean those types of guys are in every year's draft.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;298131]

Each football game that's ever been played is unique in and of itself. One of the great things about the sport is that a lot of crazy, fun stuff can happen, and for no good reason. A lot of what goes on in football games is just random functions of dumb luck, and the unlucky team just has to overcome. Such is the world of football, and all sports even.
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Of course there is some luck involved in sports, but good coaching and the right players executing correctly should leave so little to chance that it wouldn't effect the outcome of a game. E.g. The win over Dallas shouldn't have come down to luck, as much as i hate to say it if Dallas had executed better they would have won and the lucky block and return and FG wouldn't have mattered. TO drops a deep ball which no doubt would have been a TD that finished us, luck or lack of execution?

The best teams in this league usually win there games, why? Better coaching and better execution from their players. The Patriots dynasty was not built upon being lucky, they were brilliantly coached and their players executed when it counted. If we are relying on luck to win another championship, i fear we will be waiting for a very, very long time!

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;298131]
A lot of what goes on in football games is just random functions of dumb luck
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This bit particularly annoys me! How can you possibly believe this?! GTripp just about all the posts of yours that i've read are accurate, insightful and well researched. But to say that alot of what goes on in football is just random luck simply isn't true, if a CB bites on a pump fake is it because the QB got lucky or is it the hours of game film that they have studied to find the weakness in that CB?!

If someone on the o-line gets beat is it luck or is it that the d has figured out a weakness in his technique?!

A WR makes a spectacular catch, is it luck or the hours upon hours of work he puts into his ball skills?!

A RB breaks a tackle to go all the way, luck or poor tackling with a bit of power running?!

A LB ripps the ball out during a tackle, luck or great defence!?

I could go on all day. Back to the blocked field goal in last seasons cowboys game, luck, or great commitment and execution by Vincent and poor execution from Dallas. The ball landing near Taylor was lucky, but his skills to pick it up and run it were not luck.

Please explain yourself, i hope that i am missing something here.

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I personally think luck does matter in all sports, but it does not explain how many teams are consistently good or consistently bad within each season and also from season to season. IMHO, a combination of talent, preparation, intelligence, and hard work is the difference between a good team and a bad one.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;299930]I personally think luck does matter in all sports, but it does not explain how many teams are consistently good or consistently bad within each season and also from season to season. IMHO, a combination of talent, preparation, intelligence, and hard work is the difference between a good team and a bad one.[/QUOTE]

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