Why are we giving Gibbs a pass?
 

Let me first say that a appreciate what Joe Gibbs has done as our coach. But, I for one am not pleased with the way our team is being built. It seems every year that us "arm chair quaterbacks" know what our strengths and weaknesses are. And come draft day our team president comes out of left field somewhere with some crazy draft day pick-ups. We have to ask our selves, "what are we developing as a team, and per player and their position". We throw away draft picks, and over pay for over-hyped free agents. This we know is true. But, I am definitely not happy with the finished product. This is Joe's fourth year to get this thing right, and probably his last. We as fans demand better, and we have definitely suffered long enough. Look, I love this team just like you guys, but come on, how many post game shows can you stand to hear our coach say, "that team was tough, and our guys fought their guts out." It's time to have some kind of sensible plan, and to execute that plan come game day Joe! You may fire when ready............

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We've been over this same topic many times in the past. Who is giving him a free pass?? We all expect better results than last year, Gibbs included.

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[quote=Mattyk72;297804]We've been over this same topic many times in the past. Who is giving him a free pass?? We all expect better results than last year, Gibbs included.[/quote]

Oh my gosh, not again. I agree!

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It's not so much as giving him a free pass. But, what is our plan as a football team, and how are we going to get better at each position? We have no pass rush, our db's can't cover wideouts, our D-line can't stop the run, we get no turnovers. Our coaches have iron heads, and think that their names only win games. I hate to break it to them, but it is not working.

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I don't think there is a subject in your thread title.

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Thanks, I just edited "we".

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[quote=4mrusmc;297808]It's not so much as giving him a free pass. But, what is our plan as a football team, and how are we going to get better at each position? We have no pass rush, our db's can't cover wideouts, our D-line can't stop the run, we get no turnovers. Our coaches have iron heads, and think that their names only win games. I hate to break it to them, but it is not working.[/quote]

So what did you think about 2005? When we went to the playoffs.
And how do you think injuries affected our Defense, and overall team and record last year?

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2005 was great, it's 2007 now, and our plan for building a team that can compete on any given Sunday is what I question. All of this off-season rumor, and free agent acquisitions leave me scratching my head. What pieces of the puzzle are we putting in place to be great again? I feel that we are being herded like sheep.

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MODS please help edit thread to include Why are "we" giving Gibbs a pass? Thanks

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i dont know if you noticed this or not but........it is joe gibbs. i think he may of won 3 superbowls or something like that. maybe

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc;297808]It's not so much as giving him a free pass. But, what is our plan as a football team, and how are we going to get better at each position? We have no pass rush, our db's can't cover wideouts, our D-line can't stop the run, we get no turnovers. Our coaches have iron heads, and think that their names only win games. I hate to break it to them, but it is not working.[/QUOTE]

all noted above is greg williams responsibility. overall, I... well most of us would like a structure a GM could give us and demanding more draft picks per year and less FA busts.

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Shut up.

No one wants to hear this garbage. I didn't even read your post because it's trash. No one wants to hear you whine about worries.

Why don't you move out state and become a niners fan. You know where I'm going with that.

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Your assessment has been well documented by many on more than one ocasion, and further illustrates the fact that the FO seriously needs to reconsider how they make some decisions. Many aren't convinced that player selection by committee is the best policy, and that a real GM should be put in place.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;297822]Shut up.

No one wants to hear this garbage. I didn't even read your post because it's trash. No one wants to hear you whine about worries.

Why don't you move out state and become a niners fan. You know where I'm going with that.[/quote]
He is allowed his opinions do we really need to tell other fans to SHUTUP?

Sounds like Eagles fans....

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[QUOTE=railcon56;297824]He is allowed his opinions do we really need to tell other fans to SHUTUP?

Sounds like Eagles fans....[/QUOTE]


The rules that aply to others here obviously does not apply to ST.

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[quote=superskins;297820]i dont know if you noticed this or not but........it is joe gibbs. i think he may of won 3 superbowls or something like that. maybe[/quote]
Yeah I noticed those 4 Super Bowls, 3 of which he has won. I for one was alive to see those games and cheered with great pride when all of that was accomplished. But, we won our last Super Bowl in 91'. We are now due for another run. Don't talk about what was done in the past. What are we doing now? Or, is this as good as it gets? I would hope not.

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[quote=jrocx69;297821]all noted above is greg williams responsibility. overall, I... well most of us would like a structure a GM could give us and demanding more draft picks per year and less FA busts.[/quote]

True, but Gibbs is the Head coach.

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[quote=4mrusmc;297827]True, but Gibbs is the Head coach.[/quote]


So Greg Williams gets the praise when the defense is hot, but when they ar no good its Joe Gibbs fualt? SOunds like you given Williams the free pass.

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[quote=4mrusmc;297817]2005 was great, it's 2007 now, and our plan for building a team that can compete on any given Sunday is what I question. All of this off-season rumor, and free agent acquisitions leave me scratching my head. What pieces of the puzzle are we putting in place to be great again? I feel that we are being herded like sheep.[/quote]

i think this has been a good off season thus far. they resigned pretty much the players they needed to , they've brought in pretty good and reasonably priced free agents to fill some holes on defense. with the additions of smoot and macklin to go along with rogers and springs (and jimoh) i feel like the cb position is now a strenght rather then a weakness. with the addition of flethcher to go along with washington, marshall and mccintosh i feel like an already pretty good group of lbs just got better. getting prioulou(sp) back and bringing back stoutmire to go along with doughty(sp) and taylor i feel like the safety position is pretty strong. that leaves the d-line, they should address that in the draft.
offensively , i feel that they should be in good shape at pretty much every position. a lot depends on how well campbel plays.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;297822]Shut up.

No one wants to hear this garbage. I didn't even read your post because it's trash. No one wants to hear you whine about worries.

Why don't you move out state and become a niners fan. You know where I'm going with that.[/quote]

That's pretty uncalled for. He's not Gibbs bashing, just questioning a head coach who save for a miracle 5 game win streak in '05 hasn't been effective at all since returning. Everyone will always love Gibbs for his 3 Super Bowls and his high character and work ethic, but he really hasn't succeeded at the level anyone, including himself, had hoped. Sure it's a repetitive topic, but a pertinent one nonetheless. You shouldn't tell him to "shut up." We're all Skins fans here, regardless of some differing opinions.

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[quote]Shut up.

No one wants to hear this garbage. I didn't even read your post because it's trash. No one wants to hear you whine about worries.

Why don't you move out state and become a niners fan. You know where I'm going with that.[/quote]
I see you're new to the board. Here's a hint, these type of attacks don't fly here. Go to extremeskins.

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Yeah i dont know how you can really have a problem with the draft day acquistions under Joe Gibbs. I mean Sean Taylor is God, especially compared to KW jr. Carlos Rogers is still developing but is a much more productive player than Rolle, Pacman, and Mike williams. People might have been angry about drafting Jason Campbell but in retrospect to seeing how ramsey and brunnel panned out that might have been Gibbs' best move yet. And i think most people agree that Rocky is exactly what we need at OLB and just want to see him play more. So given the options I think Joe Gibbs has been a draft day genius, you can disagree with trading away picks, with free agent signings or with how the players are utilized, but Gibbs has drafted quality with the picks hes had each year.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;297822]Shut up.

No one wants to hear this garbage. I didn't even read your post because it's trash. No one wants to hear you whine about worries.

Why don't you move out state and become a niners fan. You know where I'm going with that.[/quote]

I agree COACH GIBBS is the very best thing for the REDSKINS FRANCHISE and the league for that matter, bar none. We have covered this before, countless times.

But your comment to a fellow Fan Forum member is very UNCALLED for!

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Everything I've read on here so far indicates to me that Gibbs takes just as many lumps as anyone else in the organization for the team's poor performance. There has been no free pass....

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No need for personal attacks b/c u can't put together a cogent response.

That being said, I disagree that blaming gibbs for last season or the way the team has been built is the right thing to go. This also doesn't mean that he should get a "free pass". Can we just chalk up last season to some very bad luck with injuries and a bad mistake on Gibbs part (which he admits) for sticking with brunell? I think after 3 superbowls we can allow him to get away with the brunell thing.

As far as not building the team properly, I dont know how much of that you can actually blame on him. As is well documented, Snyder is very hands on and when he wants a free agent he will go out and get them and he probably forces gibbs to deal with these whimsical signings. Who knows maybe gibbs hated bringing over arch but GW and Danny boy loved the guy so gibbs had to appear to be on board. My point is just that you can't blame one person for bad FO moves. If there has to be a scapegoat for the sake of closure, i would think that person should be vinny cerrato b/c he is the only expendable one in that bunch. I think what this franchise needs is a GM who is willing to stand up to the owner (and coaching staff) in certain situations and make wise decisions. Coaches always like to bring in players that they think will help them out but sometimes they need to be told that the guy isn't worth the price tag. That is something I can't fault gibbs for b/c he is not supposed to be a hall of fame deal maker and number cruncher. He is Joe Gibbs, hall of fame coach.

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I do cut Gibbs some slack. He's earned it. It's not like he's some yahoo that just fell off the turnip truck.

When Gibbs won a Super Bowl in his second year, that was extraordinary. I didn't expect it to happen as quickly this time. Three points I would make not as a defense but as context:

1. The Redskins were worse than people realized when Gibbs took over. A lot of the blame landed on Spurrier because it was the easiest story for the press to write, but those teams had horrible players. Bruce Smith? Unbelievable. If you want to bitch about a front-office, that was the time to do it.

2. The Redskins improved in 2005 but then took a step backwards. I think the reasons are two in number. Clinton Portis being injured and poor play by Greg Williams' defense owing mainly to bad personell moves. I think Williams has to take some of the blame there. His stock was high enough after 2005 that he would have gotten the players he wanted.

3. The Mark Brunell signing was a mistake. I don't want to kill Brunell. I don't think it represents a vast conspiracy that he was signed, blah, blah, blah, but looking at it overall I have to say we shouldn't have done it. That one's on Gibbs.

[B]I think we would all do well to remember that things are never as bad or as good as they seem. [/B]

So, Joe will coach one or two more seasons and let's hope he has healthy Portis and Campbell turns out to be awesome and some of these coaches earn their money and we will have a definite chance. One thing I do know is that Joe Gibbs is a singular figure in Redskins history and nothing that happens would make me regret the fact of his return. I think he would say the same from his end.

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I agree with you when you say that Gibbs should not be given a free pass. However, I don't think many people are giving Gibbs a free pass in the first place. I also think this is a subject that has been talked about many times before this, and I don't understand why it's being brought up right now.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;297822]Shut up.

No one wants to hear this garbage. I didn't even read your post because it's trash. No one wants to hear you whine about worries.

Why don't you move out state and become a niners fan. You know where I'm going with that.[/quote]

Haha I love this. First someone posts a kinda dumb thread, but then of course someone feels the need to call them out and tell them to stfu hahaha. Classic warpath. Funny thing is I use to do that back in the day too..

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[quote=Daseal;297855]I see you're new to the board. Here's a hint, these type of attacks don't fly here. Go to extremeskins.[/quote]

Hey I am sure the tampa bay forum is open to that kind of stuff too...;)

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I agree with this post 100 percent. We should stop giving Gibbs a pass. We should all start threads rehashing his specific failures last season, so as to raise awareness. Only by doing that can we solve the problem.

It's time the Warpath stopped coddling Gibbs. It's time brave posters took this old man on. Hey Gibbs, I know you are reading this right now. The free ride is over, now you are going to have to answer to this website.

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I see that some people have a need to bash me for bringing this thread up. That's fine, and I expect that. Now let me restate that I am appreciative of Gibbs's accomplishments. But, this is his fourth year, and you have to ask yourself will we be so forgiving this year if we go 5-11 again? I'm all for hope and optimism, but again I would like to see a well executed plan put in place. As far as the injuries go, that is what happens in the NFL. I'm just tired of the excuses.

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[quote=4mrusmc;297912]I see that some people have a need to bash me for bringing this thread up. That's fine, and I expect that. Now let me restate that I am appreciative of Gibbs's accomplishments. But, this is his fourth year, and you have to ask yourself will we be so forgiving this year if we go 5-11 again? I'm all for hope and optimism, but again I would like to see a well executed plan put in place. As far as the injuries go, that is what happens in the NFL. I'm just tired of the excuses.[/quote]

I agree for the most part. Just because he is Joe Gibbs doesn't mean we need to be constant apologists or sycophants. Fortunately Gibbs is critical of himself as well, and we can always count on the fact that he will give 100% at all times to get better. But 21-27 in the regular season over three years doesn't exactly set the league on fire. Of course he should be scrutinized.

For those who jump down your throat as soon as you criticize Gibbs, just remember Daseal's signature line: "Apparently not having unrelenting optimism means you're not a fan."

That always make me laugh. Sometimes you have to be a skeptic.

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4mrusmc, I've added the "we" you requested to the thread title. While I don't agree with this thread, I will vociferously defend your right to post it...or something along those lines.

Seriously though, as others have mentioned, this has been brought up before and my feeling is a) even he doesn't give himself a free pass, but b) he does deserve some benefit of the doubt for what he's brought to the Redskins and the NFL.

He's a big reason I'm a fan. Without Gibbs there is no SmootSmack. And then we'd all be sad

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Gibbs isn't just here for the coaching, he is here to manage this team. If you don't think he is a good coach he is at the very least a good manager of the team. His other serviceable function is keeping Synder's hands off the roster. Name another coach who could command that kind of respect from Synder to handle such a task.

Gibb's influence on the team's management is another major part of why his efforts should not be questioned. He's not just coaching, he's managing and making sure that Synder doesn't have complete control of the roster.

So I appreciate your post but humbly decline to view things from your overly negative vantage point. Also don't forget...If you're going to San Fransisco, make sure you wear some flowers in your hair.

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Everyone is disappointed right now.

The only thing that we can do as fans is hang in there and hope for better days.

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[quote=SmootSmack;297919]Without Gibbs there is no SmootSmack. And then we'd all be sad[/quote]



not all of us;)

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;297925]not all of us;)[/QUOTE]

You'd be angry? I understand, people deal with bad news in different ways

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Thanks Smooty for the edit help. Hey Tee the only person that could keep Snyder somewhat in check IS Gibbs. Just think what we would do as fans if Gibbs came out and said "I tried to lead this team back to the promise land, but the owner was against my decisions, so there for I quit". Snyder would probably be stoned and burned at Redskin Park. I think our secondary will be fine, but I would like to know what is our long term plan is for the D-line, and our line backers. Too much rumor, and speculation.

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[quote=djnemo65;297911]I agree with this post 100 percent. We should stop giving Gibbs a pass. We should all start threads rehashing his specific failures last season, so as to raise awareness. Only by doing that can we solve the problem.

It's time the Warpath stopped coddling Gibbs. It's time brave posters took this old man on. Hey Gibbs, I know you are reading this right now. The free ride is over, now you are going to have to answer to this website.[/quote]
Raise awareness? I think everyone on this site is in tune with what is going on with the SKINS and what Coach Gibbs has or has not done!

I don't know what dream land your living in, but there is no free ride it's called a 5 year deal! ....or is that what you called it in 05 , when Coach Gibbs had us back in the playoffs?

Get with it, you don't have to relive the same thread over and over............. or I guess you can until we are back in the playoffs again with a healthy and greatly improved team.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;297932]Raise awareness? I think everyone on this site is in tune with what is going on with the SKINS and what Coach Gibbs has or has not done!

I don't know what dream land your living in, but there is no free ride it's called a 5 year deal! ....or is that what you called it in 05 , when Coach Gibbs had us back in the playoffs?

Get with it, you don't have to relive the same thread over and over............. or I guess you can until we are back in the playoffs again with a healthy and greatly improved team.[/QUOTE]

I see that you are 42 so I will forgive you for not knowing I was kidding, since sarcasm hadn't been invented yet when you were growing up. But I think the lesson here is to chill out, as us young people say.