Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up
 

In the current spirit of starting a thread about any "credible" rumors, I thought I'd pass this along. According to JLC's blog, Gibbs told Maske that the Redskins have talked with other teams about the possibility of trading up ... to draft Calvin Johnson.

Let the freaking out commence.

[url]http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/[/url]

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oh boy here we go again

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Hopefully this is a smokescreen. Honestly, we want the other teams to have no clue what we want to accomplish on draft day. That might create a greater sense of urgency when we are entertaining deals with other teams.

I can say that I have no earthly idea what they plan on doing when the draft rolls around.

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If Brandon Lloyd's in the trade up plans, then I'm down, but that probably wouldn't even fly in Madden.

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[B][SIZE="6"][I]AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!![/I][/SIZE][/B]

Ok, now that I got that out of my system I'll actually read the article and then form an opinion.

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I'm gonna go ahead and avoid all the turmoil, and pain. I'll start my thread at #300. This is an out and out BS attempt at deceptive chicanery by that prankster, Joe2. PURE smoke!

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I think at this point anything is possible. A trade up, a trade down, staying put, who really knows what the Skins are thinking. I'm sure they are considering every possibility.

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I think Gibbs is set on Calvin Johnson. It just seems when they are high on a player they do whatever it takes to get that person. It will be this years 1st, next years 1st, and 2nd, possibly a player. About a month to go and then we'll see what all this is truly about. I get the feeling also from reading some of the other post that Lance Briggs will not be a Redskin.

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Let me go on record saying this would be the greatest pick up ever! What an amazing superstar to have on our team.

I also want to go on record saying that this would be a terrible plan! We have critical needs elsewhere like DT and DE.

There. I'm covered.

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this doesn't really seem like anything we haven't heard before, with the exception of the fact that it's actually coming from Gibbs.
I think everyone in the Redskins FO should enter the World Series of Poker this year because one of them is bound to win it. No one seems to be able to read what they're thinking and they seem to have everyone on tilt.

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Vinny says we'll trade down, Joe up! Who knows till draft day. No matter what, this will be the most exciting draft day since 2000.

I would love to have CJ & I know he's a Gibbs type receiver & person. I also fear the desmond howard jinx, but he definitely has a lot more going for him than Desmond did.

My main problems w/this are:
1) Can we pay Cooley what he's worth next offseason?
2) We'd have 4 wr's earning big checks & most of the O earning big $, but less $ to spend on the D. As it is we're going to have to hope that we find a stud or 2 in the late rounds of the draft & undrafted rooks.

I'm torn, I don't know what to think!

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I'm pretty sure that following this team will lead to my early demise...lets just sit it out till Draft day and hope we don't blow this one

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Well I stay by my position that IF Calvin johnson falls to 6 which I HIGHLY doubt I think the Skins should take him but besides that. Trade down. i don't see them moving up though.

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Guys, I just heard Gibbs just hinted he and Pat might order Chinese food tonight. But they're also open to the possibility of going out for pizza. Any plans to go to Cold Stone Creamery after dinner are not imminent at this time.

I'll keep you posted

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;292264]Guys, I just heard Gibbs just hinted he and Pat might order Chinese food tonight. But they're also open to the possibility of going out for pizza. Any plans to go to Cold Stone Creamery after dinner are not imminent at this time.

I'll keep you posted[/QUOTE]
They're all a bunch of idiots! They should be going out for Italian Ice at Rita's in order to save a couple of dollars for tomorrow's dessert. Don't they know anything?

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Where's Dmek? :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;292264]Guys, I just heard Gibbs just hinted he and Pat might order Chinese food tonight. But they're also open to the possibility of going out for pizza. Any plans to go to Cold Stone Creamery after dinner are not imminent at this time.

I'll keep you posted[/quote]

CHINESE ???? What's he thinking ? Does he know the carb count on that stuff ? CHRIST !!!! Joe Gibbs has really lost it, he needs to go back to NASCAR and worry about his cars !

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For the life of me I just don't understand why people are so against this. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. I get so tired of people saying we don't need wr's. DID ANYONE WATCH ANY GAMES LAST YEAR????????????? Outside of Santana which WR on our roster has done anything?

When you go 5-11 there is PLENTY of blame to go around. Not just on defense but on offense too. We hopefully solved the problem at QB, LB and DB's. Yes we need DE, DT but do any of you think that maybe alot of the players that are on the board are not that good?

I'll use this comparison one more time. Texans drafted for need and took Mario freaking Williams who didn't do shit. I bet if the Texans had a chance to do it all over again they would take Bush cause he was the best player on in the 06 draft.

We drafted for need a few years ago when Smoot left and took Carlos R. How in the hell did our scouting dept. grade Carlos higher than Merriman or D. Ware?

Calvin J. is simply put a freak. He's going to make any offense better the minute he walks on the field. He's going to do things that will NEVER EVER show up in the stat sheet. Can any of you imagine the PI's this guy will draw? Plus defenses are going to have to slide coverages to his side of the field which could open up all kinds of room for Santana and Cooley. Plus saftey's will never come near the LOS like they did last year when Brunell was QB. Opens up the running game so that helps Portis and Betts.

I hope we package Lloyd and move up and take this guy!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=MonkFan4Life;292268]CHINESE ???? What's he thinking ? Does he know the carb count on that stuff ? CHRIST !!!! Joe Gibbs has really lost it, he needs to go back to NASCAR and worry about his cars ![/QUOTE]

I heard that they are considering trading up to take a salad in round 1, a sirloin in round 2, and perhaps a late round Irish coffee.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;292252]I think at this point anything is possible. A trade up, a trade down, staying put, who really knows what the Skins are thinking. I'm sure they are considering every possibility.[/QUOTE]


To be honest, I really do enjoy the suspence as it's a change from the ordinary. In previous years we would let the whole world know our plan in advance with nothing left to ponder. At least this way, any team with trade aspirations with the Redskins will have to wade through several different possibilities, trading either up or down for the purpose of consumating the best possible deal for all parties involved.

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Lets say we do a trade and land Calvin - my question is we would now have 4 WR's on the team that will have $10+ million signing bonuses - isn't this going a little overboard?
So if you get Calvin who do you sit down - my belief is Brandon Llyod will be the one who loses playing time (just a guess - maybe it will actually be ARE)? If it is Llyod how would he react to this? I would think it would not be welcomed by him with open arms. So basically he would become a locker room nightmare and you would eventually have to cut/trade him in a year or so. So in essence we gave up a 3rd and 4th round pick plus a $10+ million signing bonus for 1-2 years of not too much production, plus if we traded up we will have sacrificed who knows how many more picks to get CJ. Why can't the FO give some of the previous pickups more than one year to pan out? If Llyod does not produce this year than I am all for going in a new direction but let the current WR's have a chance with JC.

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I don't think it would be wise to take on another WR. Last year was the first season in Sanders offense, and hopefully the O learned something. If we take a big pick like him, then the coaches will be pressured to play him before he learns the offense. The focus should be on the D-line and LB's. We have solid LB's, but we have got to find a way to get some turn-overs and sacks throughout the season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;292270]For the life of me I just don't understand why people are so against this. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. I get so tired of people saying we don't need wr's. DID ANYONE WATCH ANY GAMES LAST YEAR????????????? Outside of Santana which WR on our roster has done anything?

When you go 5-11 there is PLENTY of blame to go around. Not just on defense but on offense too. We hopefully solved the problem at QB, LB and DB's. Yes we need DE, DT but do any of you think that maybe alot of the players that are on the board are not that good?

I'll use this comparison one more time. Texans drafted for need and took Mario freaking Williams who didn't do shit. I bet if the Texans had a chance to do it all over again they would take Bush cause he was the best player on in the 06 draft.

We drafted for need a few years ago when Smoot left and took Carlos R. How in the hell did our scouting dept. grade Carlos higher than Merriman or D. Ware?

Calvin J. is simply put a freak. He's going to make any offense better the minute he walks on the field. He's going to do things that will NEVER EVER show up in the stat sheet. Can any of you imagine the PI's this guy will draw? Plus defenses are going to have to slide coverages to his side of the field which could open up all kinds of room for Santana and Cooley. Plus saftey's will never come near the LOS like they did last year when Brunell was QB. Opens up the running game so that helps Portis and Betts.

I hope we package Lloyd and move up and take this guy!!!!!!![/quote]

Your argument is pretty solid but which of the 5 teams would want Brandon Lloyd?

Raiders? They have their hands full with head case receivers.

Arizona? They're pretty much set at super cool WR's.

Detroit? Please tell me they are not even thinking about getting another stud WR.

Cleveland? I guess, but having Baylon and Kellen along with Jurvicious is making that a crowded position.

Tampa Bay? This may be the only team that has a legitimate reason to want him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;292234]oh boy here we go again[/quote]

Darn! Up,Down,Up,Down..........what tomorrow?

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[QUOTE=Bill B;292274]Lets say we do a trade and land Calvin - my question is we would now have 4 WR's on the team that will have $10+ million signing bonuses - isn't this going a little overboard?
So if you get Calvin who do you sit down - my belief is Brandon Llyod will be the one who loses playing time (just a guess - maybe it will actually be ARE)? If it is Llyod how would he react to this? I would think it would not be welcomed by him with open arms. So basically he would become a locker room nightmare and you would eventually have to cut/trade him in a year or so. So in essence we gave up a 3rd and 4th round pick plus a $10+ million signing bonus for 1-2 years of not too much production, plus if we traded up we will have sacrificed who knows how many more picks to get CJ. Why can't the FO give some of the previous pickups more than one year to pan out? If Llyod does not produce this year than I am all for going in a new direction but let the current WR's have a chance with JC.[/QUOTE]


I'm certainly on board with your way of thinking, and it is that reasoning that makes one wonder if this team will ever get a grip on just what direction it want's to go. Sometimes it apears as if our intention is to court every player of value either in, or coming into the league. And yes!!! I would agree that any atempt to do anything with Lloyd that didn't meet with his aproval would only serve to further deflate his oversized ego.

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[quote=SmootSmack;292264]Guys, I just heard Gibbs just hinted he and Pat might order Chinese food tonight. But they're also open to the possibility of going out for pizza. Any plans to go to Cold Stone Creamery after dinner are not imminent at this time.

I'll keep you posted[/quote]

WHAT! Okay, I have had enough. Now we are worried about what he is eating....:confused:













:cheeky-sm

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;292271]I heard that they are considering trading up to take a salad in round 1, a sirloin in round 2, and perhaps a late round Irish coffee.[/quote]

[SIZE=5]WHAT ?????[/SIZE]
[SIZE=5][/SIZE]
Will they ever learn to just build from within ? They always go out for more food when there are more than enough leftovers in the fridge. I mean why get a sirloin when there's a piece of chuck steak in there from last night ? Sure the chuck isn't sirloin but it's doable. All it needs is a little A-1 A LITTLE EFFIN A-1 ! THAT"S ALL. NO PATIENTCE. I mean it's not like they are going up for a rib eye ? That's the problem they ALWAYS DO THAT. AND A SALAD ? IN THE FIRST ? I MEAN JEEZ,...you can find a salad in the later rounds ! I heard there is a pretty mean salad from Olive Garden who should be there in the 5th.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;292284][SIZE=5]WHAT ?????[/SIZE]

Will they ever learn to just build from within ? They always go out for more food when there are more than enough leftovers in the fridge. I mean why get a sirloin when there's a piece of chuck steak in there from last night ? Sure the chuck isn't sirloin but it's doable. All it needs is a little A-1 A LITTLE EFFIN A-1 ! THAT"S ALL. NO PATIENTCE. I mean it's not like they are going up for a rib eye ? That's the problem they ALWAYS DO THAT. AND A SALAD ? IN THE FIRST ? I MEAN JEEZ,...you can find a salad in the later rounds ! I heard there is a pretty mean salad from Olive Garden who should be there in the 5th.[/quote]

The Pasta Fagioli should also be available in the 5th and it's better suited for our scheme.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;292285]The Pasta Fagioli should also be available in the 5th and it's better suited for our scheme.[/quote]

They'll find some way to mess it up !

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I officially think the Skins FO is having a good ole time this off season making everyone poop their pants. We have in the span of several weeks.

-Turned down an offer to trade our 6 for like the broncos entire draft board and Al Wilson
-"Almost" consumated a similar deal with Bly instead.
-Have worked feverishly to trade down and get more picks
-Worked to trade up to get CJ
-Redecided to trade down and get Briggs and Chi's 1st
-Redecided to trade up and get CJ.

Without a doubt no one has any clue what the hell we are doing and at this point it has to be by design.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;292281]I'm certainly on board with your way of thinking, and it is that reasoning that makes one wonder if this team will ever get a grip on just what direction it want's to go. Sometimes it apears as if our intention is to court every player of value either in, or coming into the league. And yes!!! I would agree that any atempt to do anything with Lloyd that didn't meet with his aproval would only serve to further deflate his oversized ego.[/QUOTE]

This team will do and draft what they believe will provide the best marketing opportunity. If it happens to work out football-wise all the better, if not at least they made a big splash in the media during the offseason.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;292271]I heard that they are considering trading up to take a salad in round 1, a sirloin in round 2, and perhaps a late round Irish coffee.[/QUOTE]

Meanwhile, Dan Snyder is baffled by all this saying "I just bought a freaking restaurant chain!"

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I think the most important tidbit from the article, is that the Redskins are considering a lot of different trades, but the Briggs trade is the only one that has been widely reported. That makes sense - teams will explore their options[I] before[/I] deciding which option is the best. It just so happens that only some of the options make the news - making fans think that a proposed trade designed to feel out a team's options are the in fact finalized negotiations.

The rumors make the offseason interesting.

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[quote=FRPLG;292289]I officially think the Skins FO is having a good ole time this off season making everyone poop their pants. We have in the span of several weeks.

-Turned down an offer to trade our 6 for like the broncos entire draft board and Al Wilson
-"Almost" consumated a similar deal with Bly instead.
-Have worked feverishly to trade down and get more picks
-Worked to trade up to get CJ
-Redecided to trade down and get Briggs and Chi's 1st
-Redecided to trade up and get CJ.

Without a doubt no one has any clue what the hell we are doing and at this point it has to be by design.[/quote]

Good post. The team clearly doesn't want anyone to have a clear idea what we're going to do on draft day.

I'm sure they have formulated a draft plan and have picked out players they are targeting at this point. But they don't want anyone figuring anything out.

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[QUOTE=irish;292290]This team will do and draft what they believe will provide the best marketing opportunity. If it happens to work out football-wise all the better, if not at least they made a big splash in the media during the offseason.[/QUOTE]


That's the unholy truth associated with having a marketing executive for an owner. Instant dollar signs have a tendency to cloud his longterm view.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;292270]For the life of me I just don't understand why people are so against this. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. I get so tired of people saying we don't need wr's. DID ANYONE WATCH ANY GAMES LAST YEAR????????????? Outside of Santana which WR on our roster has done anything?

When you go 5-11 there is PLENTY of blame to go around. Not just on defense but on offense too. We hopefully solved the problem at QB, LB and DB's. Yes we need DE, DT but do any of you think that maybe alot of the players that are on the board are not that good?

I'll use this comparison one more time. Texans drafted for need and took Mario freaking Williams who didn't do shit. I bet if the Texans had a chance to do it all over again they would take Bush cause he was the best player on in the 06 draft.

We drafted for need a few years ago when Smoot left and took Carlos R. How in the hell did our scouting dept. grade Carlos higher than Merriman or D. Ware?

Calvin J. is simply put a freak. He's going to make any offense better the minute he walks on the field. He's going to do things that will NEVER EVER show up in the stat sheet. Can any of you imagine the PI's this guy will draw? Plus defenses are going to have to slide coverages to his side of the field which could open up all kinds of room for Santana and Cooley. Plus saftey's will never come near the LOS like they did last year when Brunell was QB. Opens up the running game so that helps Portis and Betts.

I hope we package Lloyd and move up and take this guy!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Here's the problem I have with this. We just spend big bucks and picks last year to get Randle-El and Lloyd; two relatively young receivers who have shown they can play in this league. Furthermore, we have Moss and Cooley (who I'll count as a WR for these purposes).

Granted, neither Lloyd nor El put up stellar numbers but a.) we were dealing with a new offense that everyone admits takes a year to learn and b.) Jason Campbell was for all intents and purposes a rookie when he played in the back half of the season.

CJ is great, no question about that. But why do we want to just give up on our current receivers-especially two guys we just spent big on just last year-after only one season in a new offense with a young quarterback. Why not let them grow together?

If you want to tear that unit up then fine, but it's hard to listen then when you turn right around and talk about how we have no patience as a front office, and we need to develop our players and so forth. (and when I say "you" I'm addressing the universal "you")

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[quote=SmootSmack;292292]Meanwhile, Dan Snyder is baffled by all this saying "I just bought a freaking restaurant chain!"[/quote]

Okay now I'll get back to the joke but seriously. Seeing as though The Danny bought Johnny Rockets are they going to have Johnny Rockets at FedEx. I mean PLEASE the FOOD THERE SUCKS !!!!!!

----------------------------------Joke Time Now-----------------------

SNYDER JUST BOUGHT JOHNNY ROCKETS WHY IS HE GOING TO MOVE UP TO TAKE A SALAD ????? DAMNIT VINNY C, We need a GM to stand up to Snyder !!!!

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Agreed SS. No one is saying that CJ isn't going to be a great player. I think we'd all love to have him, but not at the expense of the defense (which is clearly the less talented and weaker unit). I suppose if you want something sexy, go pick CJ, but there's a point of diminishing returns - we have enough guys on offense.

Call me crazy, but I'd like to improve upon the 31st ranked defense.

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[QUOTE=MonkFan4Life;292299]SNYDER JUST BOUGHT JOHNNY ROCKETS WHY IS HE GOING TO MOVE UP TO TAKE A SALAD ????? DAMNIT VINNY C, We need a GM to stand up to Snyder !!!![/QUOTE]

I heard that if Snyder goes after the salad in round 1, Vinny will toss it for him.

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1990 Jeff George, qb Illinois Indianapolis 13 0
1991 Russell Maryland, dt Miami, (Fla.) Dallas 10 1
1992 Steve Emtman, dt Washington Indianapolis 8 0
1993 Drew Bledsoe, qb Washington State New England 14 4
1994 Dan Wilkinson, dt Ohio State Cincinnati 13 0
1995 Ki-Jana Carter, rb Penn State Cincinnati 8 0
1996 Keyshawn Johnson, wr Southern Cal. N.Y. Jets 11 4
[B]1997 Orlando Pace, ot Ohio State St. Louis Rams 10 7 [/B]
[B]1998 Peyton Manning, qb Tennessee Indianapolis 9 7 [/B]
1999 Tim Couch, qb Kentucky Cleveland 6 0
2000 Courtney Brown, de Penn State Cleveland 7 0
[B]2001 Michael Vick, qb Virginia Tech Atlanta 6 3 [/B]
2002 David Carr, qb Fresno State Houston 5 0
[B]2003 Carson Palmer, qb Southern Cal. Cincinnati 4 2 [/B]
2004 Eli Manning, qb Mississippi San Diego 3 0
2005 Alex Smith, qb Utah San Francisco 2 0
2006 Mario Williams, de N. Carolina State Houston 1 0


Those are all the other "Can't miss" guys in the draft. Do you want any of them. Other than the ones I highlighted, none of these guys made the impact that people think the #1 pick should. So why should we spend the #1 pick and trade up to get that pick for the "cant miss" guy instead of filling needs!?!?

Obviously the jury is still out on a few people. But Mike Williams of Detroit was a "Cant Miss" guy a couple years ago, and he was inactive most of the season.

*I bolded the guys who have "Panned out" for the most part, and even a couple of those are a stretch