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1) Alan Branch - Michigan
2) Ganes Adams - Clemson
3) Jamaal Anderson - Arkansas

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Honestly, I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's a win-win-win situation. We'd be VERY hard pressed to mess this up unless we take a corner or OL.

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1) Alan Branch - Michigan: Sweet! The return of the blitz to our defense! Now we have a defensive front that can stop the run and put offenses in long 2nd and 3rd downs, allowing us to get up after the QB on blitzes.

2) Ganes Adams - Clemson: I dunno, with this guy's size, I don't see how we're going to stop any RBs with two DEs under 270 pounds. Stupid pick.

3) Jamaal Anderson - Arkansas: Alright, I'll take it. Big enough to stop the run, quick enough to sack the QB. I'd rather have the DT, but this fills a need.

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1) What Schneed said.

2) Gaines Adams-I like the player, but what's going to become of Andre Carter? Surely we aren't considering starting Gaines Adams at one end and Carter at the other? We are getting a great player, but we aren't maximizing the versatility of the pick.

3) I don't like the pick. He's bigger than Adams, but does that mean he's going to be any better vs the run? We still have a gap at DT, and Anderson has major bust potential. Just not enough film on him to justify taking him this high.

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I'll tell you what will throw a cog in the wheel, let Calvin Johnson slip through the cracks. People at Redskins Park will start to scramble!

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Does anyone know why Mel Kiper moved Alan Branch went from 7th overall to 20th? because now the 19 year old dude from louisville is the number one DT to Mel

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No matter who the pick is I can't wait to see the (over)reactions here. ;)

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If Calvin Johnson falls, we'll have two options.

1) Get a really good trade for him.
2) Draft an amazing WR. Not a need, but definitely the best player available.

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cause branch may be a bit lazy? none of them are bullet proof this year.

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Worst case, put Calvin in Burgundy and Gold, and do what the Colts have done in the past..............outscore everybody else

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[quote=Daseal;280531]If Calvin Johnson falls, we'll have two options.

1) Get a really good trade for him.
2) Draft an amazing WR. Not a need, but definitely the best player available.[/quote]

Yea, the more i think about it, i don't know if you can pass him up & if you do pass him get some bigtime trade value.

IMO, he won't slip that far, but who knows?

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[quote=Daseal;280531]If Calvin Johnson falls, we'll have two options.

1) Get a really good trade for him.
2) Draft an amazing WR. Not a need, but definitely the best player available.[/quote]

atleast somebody agrees with me

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CJ would be a bit of a waste (Well, he'd point out how stupid the skins were to invest 76mill$ in patten, lloyd, and el), but he's by far the safest pick and the biggest first year impact player.

imagine randy moss or TO, in their prime, only team-first, no ego, no backtalk, and a hellish blocker (for a WR, of course). I mean, the only bad thing about him was that he had reggie ball throwing him passes (talk about a waste).

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If Calvin slips to six, you have to keep him. First round, you have to take the best player on the board.

Pound for pound, can anyone argue that he's the best player in the top ten?

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I'd be cool with any of these guys. I haven't seen Jamal Anderson at the combine (NFL Network) but, he has awesome size for a DE. Not sure if any of these DTs are a cut above the rest entering the draft. We need more 'hold' on the the DL. Calvin Johnson still available at #6 would be a heart attack.

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A lot of fans don’t believe in what the Redskins have done personnel wise. If they draft CJ, I think it will be an indication the Redskins don’t believe it either. At some point, they have to stand up for their decisions and show some faith in them. Over the last two years, they invested money and picks in Lloyd, El, and Moss to be their receivers; all while they groomed Campbell to be the man at QB for them. Well, let these guys play together now.

Focus on the D-Line.

Branch: Awesome. He’ll make everyone better right away

Anderson: Hell of a talent but I could see a Rocky in ’06 like season where he’s sitting on the bench while the staff figures out exactly where to play him

Adams: Are we switching to the 3-4 now? Golston better be beast in ‘07

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If CJ falls to #6, I would most definitely trade down.

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I'm still OK with the interior of our DL. Branch seems likes he could make the biggest impact but, that means sitting Golston, who has some upside. I badly want Daniels replaced (Jamal Anderson) even if his stats are better than everyone else's.

Excuse me if I'm hallucinating. I believe I saw Gibbs standing in the endzone alongside Greg Williams at the combine. They were paying very close attention to the DL prospects.

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I'd love for the Skins to take Branch, than Anderson, than Adams.

What is interesting is what has happened to Leon Hall from Michigan? I can remember not too long ago that a lot of mock drafts had the Skins taking Hall with their pick. Has Hall fallen that hard because of those last two games where a lot of draft "experts" say he was exposed and they also think he has a slow 40 time?

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[quote=TAFKAS;280545]A lot of fans don’t believe in what the Redskins have done personnel wise. If they draft CJ, I think it will be an indication the Redskins don’t believe it either. At some point, they have to stand up for their decisions and show some faith in them. Over the last two years, they invested money and picks in Lloyd, El, and Moss to be their receivers; all while they groomed Campbell to be the man at QB for them. Well, let these guys play together now...[/quote]Lloyd didn't get it done last year and if I'm not mistaken, Randle El was starting in front of him as the season ended. Lloyd seems to have a problem locating the ball once it's thrown.

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[quote=Mattyk72;280547]If CJ falls to #6, I would most definitely trade down.[/quote]I'd be happy either way.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;280550]I'm still OK with the interior of our DL. Branch seems likes he could make the biggest impact but, that means sitting Golston, who has some upside. I badly want Daniels replaced (Jamal Anderson) even if his stats are better than everyone else's.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what people see in Golston. I like the guy and he played well for a 6th rounder, but I didn't see enough good things out of him to think he'll be a great starter or that we should rely on his development. I'd like to see him being the #3 DT and hopefully replace Griffin in about 2 years.

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[quote=That Guy;280540]CJ would be a bit of a waste (Well, he'd point out how stupid the skins were to invest 76mill$ in patten, lloyd, and el), but he's by far the safest pick and the biggest first year impact player.

imagine randy moss or TO, in their prime, only team-first, no ego, no backtalk, and a hellish blocker (for a WR, of course). I mean, the only bad thing about him was that he had reggie ball throwing him passes (talk about a waste).[/quote]I don't see what makes Calvin Johnson different from Larry Fitzgerald, Braylon Edwards, Andre Johnson, Charles Rogers, even Mike Williams in 2004, or any other of the receivers who were destined to "revolutionize" the game. Scouts salivated immensely over all these prospects. Two of those picks were complete busts, one the jury is still out on, and the two perennial probowlers havent won jack in this league.

Who can blame them? They are receivers--which means their outcome on a game is minimal. Not a good way to build an offense.

So why would taking Calvin Johnson in the top 10 be smart? If he fufills his potential, he helps his team marginally. If he doesn't then he is a completely wasted pick. The risk vs reward phenomenon begs teams to not take a WR in the top 10.

What's it about CJ that is so special that this league has never seen before?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;280557]I don't see what makes Calvin Johnson different from Larry Fitzgerald, Braylon Edwards, Andre Johnson, Charles Rogers, even Mike Williams in 2004, or any other of the receivers who were destined to "revolutionize" the game. Scouts salivated immensely over all these prospects. Two of those picks were complete busts, one the jury is still out on, and the two perennial probowlers havent won jack in this league.
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I agree that there is always a chance of a WR being a bust, no matter how good he looks to scouts. But that is true of every position (See Robert Gallery, the former "can't-miss" prospect). As for CJ not being different from those other wideouts, I don't ever recall seeing a wideout with his speed, size, hands, work-ethics, and character.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;280557]I don't see what makes Calvin Johnson different from Larry Fitzgerald, Braylon Edwards, Andre Johnson, Charles Rogers, even Mike Williams in 2004, or any other of the receivers who were destined to "revolutionize" the game. Scouts salivated immensely over all these prospects. Two of those picks were complete busts, one the jury is still out on, and the two perennial probowlers havent won jack in this league.

Who can blame them? They are receivers--which means their outcome on a game is minimal. Not a good way to build an offense.

So why would taking Calvin Johnson in the top 10 be smart? If he fufills his potential, he helps his team marginally. If he doesn't then he is a completely wasted pick. The risk vs reward phenomenon begs teams to not take a WR in the top 10.

What's it about CJ that is so special that this league has never seen before?[/QUOTE]

But, on the other hand, all of this could mean that the league is due for a phenom wideout in the draft.

QB/WR chemistry is so hard to come by... that's why the Colts opted to keep Reggie Wayne instead of Edge. Campbell has to have some consistency with his wideouts. If Lloyd hasn't gotten on the same page by the 4th or 5th game of the season -- assuming Campbell is the real deal -- then Lloyd's gone. Throwing Calvin Johnson into the mix probably won't pay dividends for a few seasons, so you'd have to pass especially given the gaping holes we have on defense.

Oh, and for all of the Golston-lovers, settle down. The guy is in the #3 rotation spot, and to expect anything more out of him would be a serious overestimation of his abilities.

Griffin and Salave'a are all but done. Draft Alan Branch.

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all 3 of those guys make the redskins instantly better. but they do not need johnson. so a trade may be in order.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;280556]I'm not sure what people see in Golston. I like the guy and he played well for a 6th rounder, but I didn't see enough good things out of him to think he'll be a great starter or that we should rely on his development. I'd like to see him being the #3 DT and hopefully replace Griffin in about 2 years.[/quote]

Agreed. Maybe down the line Golston can be a reliable starter, but that will be contingent upon him putting on some weight. He played at 290 this past year. That's too light for a DT, and I don't think he'll be heavy and strong enough this season to be relied upon.

I want an immovable object in the middle of our defensive line. Stopping the run is supposedly "Redskin Football" right?

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[quote=EXoffender;280553]Lloyd didn't get it done last year and if I'm not mistaken, Randle El was starting in front of him as the season ended. Lloyd seems to have a problem locating the ball once it's thrown.[/quote]The difference between Lloyd and Randle El purely as wideouts is negigible. Neither is very good.

Where my opinion differs on the two is in the things that each receiver brings to the table other than being a wide receiver. Randle El is a heady player, a good blocker for his size, smart after the catch, understands the position from the QB perspective (which helps in blitz reading and whatnot), can run with the ball on reverses and throw it to keep defenses off balance, is a top notch punt returner, and in a pinch can run down on teams and hit someone. Basically he's the kind of player who maximizes the roster spot given to a wide receiver. He's the kind of player you want on the field as much as possible despite his shortcomings as a wideout.

Lloyd can't do any of that. Lloyd made a rep based off highlight reel catches in single coverage or while wide open. And although the value of that ability isn't to be understated, neither should it be overstated. How many plays in Saunders' playbook call for the QB to blindly throw a ball into coverage so that Lloyd can make the sportscenter highlight reel? No good ones, that's for sure. Lloyd isn't a good route runner, he drops the ball far too often, and isn't keen on going over the middle.

If cost and reputation were not a factor in roster building, Lloyd wouldn't make a 53 man roster. Every team in the league has at least 2 WRs better than him, and every receiver that doesn't start in this league plays teams.

Except Lloyd.

Randle El may not be a great WR, but he deserves a roster spot for sure. Lloyd doesn't. I just don't get the trade for him, he's just not a traditional Gibbs' sort of guy.

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all three if i could get them but i would say alan branch or that guy from arkansas.

for me i hope it,s a dl ...

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;280564]Agreed. Maybe down the line Golston can be a reliable starter, but that will be contingent upon him putting on some weight. He played at 290 this past year. That's too light for a DT, and I don't think he'll be heavy and strong enough this season to be relied upon.

I want an immovable object in the middle of our defensive line. Stopping the run is supposedly "Redskin Football" right?[/QUOTE]

I can't imagine a front four featuring Golston (290), Carter (265), Adams (258), and Griffin (305), being that great against the run. That's why the idea of drafting Adams and relying on Golston kinda scares me. If I had to choose between our front four being good against the run or good at getting to the passer, I'd prefer to be good at being good against the run. I know it's sexier to get sacks (like the Colts' front four) than to stuff running backs (like our 2004 & 2005 front four), but I think it's more important for our front four to be able to stuff than run than get to the QB.

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[quote=Schneed10;280564]Agreed. Maybe down the line Golston can be a reliable starter, but that will be contingent upon him putting on some weight. He played at 290 this past year. That's too light for a DT, and I don't think he'll be heavy and strong enough this season to be relied upon.

I want an immovable object in the middle of our defensive line. Stopping the run is supposedly "Redskin Football" right?[/quote]Rarely do you find a guy with Branch's size who can also get pressure on the QB. That's the impressive thing, is that he's probably a better pass rusher than run stuffer. But as a player he prides himself on being able to stuff the run. Every team in the league could use a player like him.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;280571]Rarely do you find a guy with Branch's size who can also get pressure on the QB. That's the impressive thing, is that he's probably a better pass rusher than run stuffer. But as a player he prides himself on being able to stuff the run. Every team in the league could use a player like him.[/QUOTE]

I certainly would love to get Branch, but my understanding is that he's not an effective pass rusher (yet).

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;280569]I can't imagine a front four featuring Golston (290), Carter (265), Adams (258), and Griffin (305), being that great against the run. That's why the idea of drafting Adams and relying on Golston kinda scares me. If I had to choose between our front four being good against the run or good at getting to the passer, I'd prefer to be good at being good against the run. I know it's sexier to get sacks (like the Colts' front four) than to stuff running backs (like our 2004 & 2005 front four), but I think it's more important for our front four to be able to stuff than run than get to the QB.[/quote]As a counter arguement, its tougher to have a DL play the line worse than ours did this year. However, our defensive unit did pretty OK vs the run (at least when compared to the pass). I think this is because our secondary is full of a bunch of solid tacklers who consistently fly up to make the play on runs that take time to develop. It's possible that getting a bunch of smaller quicker players would actually HELP us to stop the run, because they could be good against quick hitting runs such as gut or trap plays. Our secondary is probably league tops vs the run, and already does a great job for us.

That's a farfetched arguement though. I still want Branch.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;280572]I certainly would love to get Branch, but my understanding is that he's not an effective pass rusher (yet).[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't think that's the first thing you'd look for in a D-tackle. Certainly, it would be an incredible bonus, but as long as he can stuff the run and collapse the pocket, thus creating a certain amount of havoc for the quarterback, you're getting just about everything you could hope for.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;280569]I know it's sexier to get sacks (like the Colts' front four) than to stuff running backs (like our 2004 & 2005 front four), but I think it's more important for our front four to be able to stuff than run than get to the QB.[/quote]^^^ Probably the understatement of the year.

If we are going to use our first round picks on DL over the next few years, I'd hope we can find guys that are good at both.

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[quote=GTripp0012;280557]I don't see what makes Calvin Johnson different from Larry Fitzgerald, Braylon Edwards, Andre Johnson, Charles Rogers, even Mike Williams in 2004, or any other of the receivers who were destined to "revolutionize" the game. Scouts salivated immensely over all these prospects. Two of those picks were complete busts, one the jury is still out on, and the two perennial probowlers havent won jack in this league.

Who can blame them? They are receivers--which means their outcome on a game is minimal. Not a good way to build an offense.

So why would taking Calvin Johnson in the top 10 be smart? If he fufills his potential, he helps his team marginally. If he doesn't then he is a completely wasted pick. The risk vs reward phenomenon begs teams to not take a WR in the top 10.

What's it about CJ that is so special that this league has never seen before?[/quote]

by stats, you'd never take a WR in the first round. or a running back. but look at LT, look at how productive randy moss was for minnesota. some players are better than good. fitz wasn't nearly as highly regarded, though he was a safe pick. mike williams is a joke, he ran a 4.6 and he's extremely lazy. should i show you the list of busts at DL? 50% of DEs in the top 10 are busts, so what makes that any safer? would they not be a "marginal" improvement over what we have in the same way as CJ would be a "marginal" improvement over lloyd or randle el?

their outcome on a game is minimal? should teams ONLY draft QBs in the first round then? come on.

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[quote=GTripp0012;280571]Rarely do you find a guy with Branch's size who can also get pressure on the QB. That's the impressive thing, is that he's probably a better pass rusher than run stuffer. But as a player he prides himself on being able to stuff the run. Every team in the league could use a player like him.[/quote]

he's not good against the pass, and he can disappear at times too. all three of those guys have knocks on them. I'd still probably opt for branch, but you've got to do the research to make sure he isn't going to be lazy before taking him. 1st round DTs tend to be one of the safest positions to draft and golston is better at the #3 DT spot anyways.

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[quote=That Guy;280648]by stats, you'd never take a WR in the first round. or a running back. but look at LT, look at how productive randy moss was for minnesota. some players are better than good. fitz wasn't nearly as highly regarded, though he was a safe pick. mike williams is a joke, he ran a 4.6 and he's extremely lazy. should i show you the list of busts at DL? 50% of DEs in the top 10 are busts, so what makes that any safer? would they not be a "marginal" improvement over what we have in the same way as CJ would be a "marginal" improvement over lloyd or randle el?

their outcome on a game is minimal? should teams ONLY draft QBs in the first round then? come on.[/quote]I never said anything about "making the safe pick". I was talking purely about positional value. For wide receivers, there is NO benefit to taking one in the top 10 as opposed to between 11-20. None. On top of this, the positional value of a WR is lower than any other player on the offense, and arguably all of the defense also. It's the only position on the field that will be a realtive non factor on more than 1/3 of offensive plays.

Calvin Johnson is (presumably) a far better receiver than Randle El or Lloyd. But are we a better offense with Johnson starting instead of Randle El. Yes, but only by a very very slim margin. There just isn't much significance in the position.

Conversely, if we were to replace Saleve'a with Branch (assuming of course that Branch will be a dominant player just as we presumed Johnson would be), the defense will be SIGNIFICANTLY stronger vs the run. The team would be much better off.

That's positional value. I don't think any position is "safer" than another position. I think that (4 year starting) seniors are always safer picks than underclassmen, simply because there is so much film on them. If a senior has bust potential, surely there will be red flags that scouts will find. If an underclassman has bust potential, there might not be adequate film on him, and some red flags may sneak beneath the scouts observations. I don't think Larry Fitzgerald was a safe pick though. He came out of school early, and thats never a "safe" thing. I remember him being regarded as the "best player in college football," and he was the 3rd pick--so don't say he wasn't highly regarded.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;280717]For wide receivers, there is NO benefit to taking one in the top 10 as opposed to between 11-20. None. On top of this, the positional value of a WR is lower than any other player on the offense, and arguably all of the defense also. It's the only position on the field that will be a realtive non factor on more than 1/3 of offensive plays.[/QUOTE]

Supposing that Calvin Johnson is the next Jerry Rice, would you still stand by the above statements? There's no doubt a DT is worth more to OUR team than a WR, but that's not going to be true for a team with a good D-line and a poor WR-corps.

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[B] what's the big DE from florida's name?he looked like a walking mountain at the senior bowl.[/B]