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I love stuff like this

[url=http://blogs.chron.com/bluebayou/2007/01/cheney_treated_like_others_ang.html]Blue Bayou: Cheney treated like others, angry about it[/url]

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While you and I share very similar political views Matty, I was with Senor Dick on this one. I think it was just a shitty question to be asking someone.

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[quote=Mattyk72;272378]I love stuff like this

[URL="http://blogs.chron.com/bluebayou/2007/01/cheney_treated_like_others_ang.html"]Blue Bayou: Cheney treated like others, angry about it[/URL][/quote]As the administrator and the doing away with the forum for political chat why would you start this thread?

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I think we've shown recently we can have political discussion without it getting too hairy. I'd like to work that back into the forums if we can. We'll keep a close eye on it.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;272379]While you and I share very similar political views Matty, I was with Senor Dick on this one. I think it was just a shitty question to be asking someone.[/quote]

Yeah maybe the question was a bit harsh, but it's just funny to see someone like him get called out. I don't have much pity for the guy myself.

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Yeah, if we could have a multi-page discussion on religion without getting bent out of shape, we can do this.

While I do agree with the article that it's kind of a "pot calling the kettle black" kind of thing, you'd think it would put Cheney in a weird spot having to vote with his party lines while also having a daughter that's a homosexual.

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[quote=Mattyk72;272386]Yeah maybe the question was a bit harsh, but it's just funny to see someone like him get called out. I don't have much pity for the guy myself.[/quote]

Right. I mean he DID shoot someone in the face. While I didn't gain any respect for Cheney, I lost a little for Wolf.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;272387]While I do agree with the article that it's kind of a "pot calling the kettle black" kind of thing, you'd think it would put Cheney in a weird spot having to vote with his party lines while also having a daughter that's a homosexual.[/quote]

Exactly.

It's all good until it hits these guys personally.

Hypocrites.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;272387]Yeah, if we could have a multi-page discussion on religion without getting bent out of shape, we can do this.

While I do agree with the article that it's kind of a "pot calling the kettle black" kind of thing, you'd think it would put Cheney in a weird spot having to vote with his party lines while also having a daughter that's a homosexual.[/quote]
He did not vote for any of this and has taken a back seat to this issue. If you read the whole article he said that its goes with the job and he can handle the questions he just does not think they are appropriate.

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As long as we don't sling baseless comments and insults at each other (like actual politicians) this might work. It will probably get really heated again come election time so we need to be very cautious.

I will say this though, it's a lot better without Shane involved. Sorry Shane

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Blitzer knew exactly what was going to happen. There is a long history between him and the Cheney's. He created a story by pushing the right buttons.

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I know he didn't vote. I'm just saying that he's of course encouraged to vote along party lines (like any politician).

I did read the whole thing and while speculation of family life goes with the job, if it's not relevant, people really have no right asking questions like that. One of the comments below phrased it a LITTLE better, but still, if someone is going to spend time interviewing someone, you'd might want to pick a more poignant question.

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Here's the video. The topic at hand arises at 2:25.
[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=iaiwtbsyGuw]YouTube - Cheney Spars with Blitzer Over Criticism of Iraq,[/url]

Cheney handled the situation, very well IMO. He didn't blow his top like some would lead you to believe.

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This is a little off topic, but I don't think the government has any right to be involved in marriages ... as if people need the government's permission to get married. :doh: Wasn't the separation of church and state a fundamental reason for the establishment of America? Just another case of the government abusing it's power.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;272391]As long as we don't sling baseless comments and insults at each other (like actual politicians) this might work. It will probably get really heated again come election time so we need to be very cautious.

I will say this though, it's a lot better without Shane involved. Sorry Shane[/QUOTE]

I agree. I think that the key to having decent discussions is to stringently not allow those who will dominate the discussion and cause serious rancor. Shane simply dominated discussions and really brought them to the next level in terms of rancor. If we can not take these discussion too seriously and not let them really change our opionions of each other I think they can be good. Of course of politicians could do the same it would be great.

For example, I can basically see that Matty and I have pretty much polar views on politics but I still think he does a great job on the site and seems like a good guy. Just because we disagree politically doesn't mean I think he is dumb or dishonest or anything. In fact I would say based on a lot of history that he is very honest and comes off intelligent.

I am guessing unfortunately that their will be some who cannot see a distinction when disagreeing with someone else. We need to watch out for these types.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;272397]This is a little off topic, but I don't think the government has any right to be involved in marriages ... as if people need the government's permission to get married. :doh: Wasn't the separation of church and state a fundamental reason for the establishment of America? Just another case of the government abusing it's power.[/QUOTE]

What the founding fathers envisioned of the so-called 'separation of church and state' and what people believe it to be today are two completely different things.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;272397]This is a little off topic, but I don't think the government has any right to be involved in marriages ... as if people need the government's permission to get married. :doh: Wasn't the separation of church and state a fundamental reason for the establishment of America? Just another case of the government abusing it's power.[/QUOTE]

Seems to me the answer to the whole marriage issue is just that. The gov should get out of the marriage busniess all together. No telling one group they can't marry and no recognizing marriage in any way other than a religious thing.

Get rid of 'legal marriage' and simply institute some type of civil union. A union between any two people or whatever sex and or relationship. Give it the current tax benefits of legal marriage and have a nice day. Move on to something else more important like sealing our borders to terrorists.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;272399]What the founding fathers envisioned of the so-called 'separation of church and state' and what people believe it to be today are two completely different things.[/QUOTE]

They didn't envision anything like 'separation' as most believe. In fact they didn't believe in separation at all. They believed in no state sponsorship of religion. IE: no national religion and no government telling you it is better to be one religion or another. That has been interpretted to mean no support at all of religion in any way which I would say is a little overboard.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;272401]They didn't envision anything like 'separation' as most believe. In fact they didn't believe in separation at all. They believed in no state sponsorship of religion. IE: no national religion and no government telling you it is better to be one religion or another. That has been interpretted to mean no support at all of religion in any way which I would say is a little overboard.[/QUOTE]

Bingo, bongo.

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[quote=cpayne5;272394]Here's the video. The topic at hand arises at 2:25.
[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=iaiwtbsyGuw"]YouTube - Cheney Spars with Blitzer Over Criticism of Iraq,[/URL]

Cheney handled the situation, very well IMO. He didn't blow his top like some would lead you to believe.[/quote]
herein lies the differences of the 2 parties. the republican machine wallows in arrogance, thinking that their policies are good enough for everyone but them. they seem to believe they are above the common folk, i.e. the wiretapping, and checking into your own personal finances. and even when mistakes are made, the blame is almost always shifted to someone else( scooter Libby?)

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Actually to be a little more factual:

they = the majority of them

There were of course those believed that religion was a total no-no. But ultimately the constitution was written to reflect the majority of the opinion that religion was good but not a state thing to run.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;272403]herein lies the differences of the 2 parties. the republican machine wallows in arrogance, thinking that their policies are good enough for everyone but them. they seem to believe they are above the common folk, i.e. the wiretapping, and checking into your own personal finances. and even when mistakes are made, the blame is almost always shifted to someone else( scooter Libby?)[/QUOTE]

I don't want to argue political beliefs because I think we can safely assume we don't agree on a lot.

I would submit though that to label an entire party in such a way is EXACTLY what the problem is in this country. It is socially and politically irresponsible to label an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. I tend to agree with Republicans. And I tend to think that a lot of the ideas coming from the democrats just won't work. I think there are a lot of dishonest democrats. I think there are a lot of stupid democrats. I think there are a lot of reprehensible democrats. But I don't think DEMOCRATS or the party in general are dumb, dishonest and/or reprehensible. There are a lot of democrats who are good people and even have good ideas. There are thousands in fact running our local and state governments. So please don't throw republicans under the bus. Throw Bush and his cronies under the bus all you want for they have brought it on themselves but there are a lot more people like me who'd like to see the whole process fixed so that it is no longer such a battle between two sides.

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Right. These past two elections have done nothing more than divide the country. The university I work at is mainly made up of republicans, and are "proud" of their republicaness to the point that they go out of their way to make sure that anyone who is a democrat or has democratic ideals looks stupid or wrong.

Prior to these two elections, I don't remember the country being nearly as divided. While I don't align myself with any particular party, I lean a bit towards the democratic side of issues. It's probably why I like Obama so much. He's a moderate and seems to want to do his damnedest to rise above party lines and do what's right for the country.

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I too believe that political parties cause a lot of undue rifts among the American people, but I also believe that it is too utopien to believe that dissolution of said parties is possible.

The original dubya (George Washington) spoke of his disdain towards political parties in his farewell speech in 1796.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;272408]Right. These past two elections have done nothing more than divide the country. The university I work at is mainly made up of republicans, and are "proud" of their republicaness to the point that they go out of their way to make sure that anyone who is a democrat or has democratic ideals looks stupid or wrong.[/QUOTE]

So I guess that means that for every 10000 left-leaning universities, there is one right-leaning. :embarrass

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The one I went to was fairly divided, as were most of the ones in the area of mine. This particular one has a divide of something like 98% republican, 2% democrat.

I'm not bashing one group of another. If this was a super democrat campus totally shitting on everything republican, I would be equally as pissed. Just pointing out that these two elections have done nothing besides drive people further and further apart.

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i need to clarify. not all republicans reek of arrogance. but this administration has gone out of its way to promote do as i say, not as i do. and we never make any mistakes, ever

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[QUOTE=dmek25;272414]i need to clarify. not all republicans reek of arrogance. but this administration has gone out of its way to promote do as i say, not as i do. and we never make any mistakes, ever[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with that totally.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;272411]The one I went to was fairly divided, as were most of the ones in the area of mine. This particular one has a divide of something like 98% republican, 2% democrat.

I'm not bashing one group of another. If this was a super democrat campus totally shitting on everything republican, I would be equally as pissed. Just pointing out that these two elections have done nothing besides drive people further and further apart.[/quote]
Maybe because the Dems never admitted to loosing an election and has done everting to go after this aministration with the help of the liberal press.

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[quote=firstdown;272427]Maybe because the Dems never admitted to loosing an election and has done everting to go after this aministration with the help of the liberal press.[/quote]
the same way the republican congress, with the help of conservative media(like fox news) went after bill clinton? there is always tit for tat. if the country is doing good, no matter who is in office, they should get the credit. same thing if things arent so good

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[quote=firstdown;272427]Maybe because the Dems never admitted to loosing an election and has done everting to go after this aministration with the help of the liberal press.[/quote]

Eh?

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[quote=FRPLG;272400]Seems to me the answer to the whole marriage issue is just that. The gov should get out of the marriage busniess all together. No telling one group they can't marry and no recognizing marriage in any way other than a religious thing.

Get rid of 'legal marriage' and simply institute some type of civil union. A union between any two people or whatever sex and or relationship. Give it the current tax benefits of legal marriage and have a nice day. Move on to something else more important like sealing our borders to terrorists.[/quote]

I definitely agree.

Isn't there more pressing issues out there than same sex marriages??

It's nothing more than a hot button issue they use to distract people from the real issues.

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thats why i don't get the whole congress involvement in the baseball, steroids thing. or the schiavo case

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[QUOTE=dmek25;272475]thats why i don't get the whole congress involvement in the baseball, steroids thing. or the schiavo case[/QUOTE]

Do you like the welfare program? How about social security?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;272435]Eh?[/quote]
What you don't think the press is liberal? In a poll of how they vote about 78% (not sure of the real number just that it was in the 70%) voted dem..

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No, I didn't understand what you said.

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But now I do, and while I agree with what was said above that every administration is gone after by the media, this particular administration is very deserving.

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To me, and I very well could be wrong, it seems like the media went after Clinton harder for catching a BJ than they have gone after Bush for getting the US involved in Vietnam 2.0: the Reckoning. Maybe the fact that Congress was able to actually impeach Clinton for purgery had something to do with it, but at least the man didn't start a war that seems more likely to [I]create[/I] new terrorists than get rid of the old ones.

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Yeah, talk about your bad ideas.

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I think the media bias is really all about who you watch though. Firstdown is probably right in that the majority of the media has a left wing bias, but just look at Fox News for the polar opposite.
On the Daily Show (shows how much I really follow things) yesterday they were commenting on Fox News' real-time approval rating for Bush's State of the Union speech. According to about 85% Fox News viewers his speech was considered Excellent. As Jon Stewart put it, "those are Stalin-esque numbers." Plus, listen to guys like Bill O'Reilly when you want to say that everyone on TV is a left-winger.